Rodrigo Araya 4:56 PM
Hello, anybody. Neil Ottenstein 4:56 PM
Hello Rodrigo garth_johnson 4:57 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, before we take you to the studio where George Olsen, Ethel
Shutta, and Jack Benny are waiting to entertain you, I want to inform you the Laura will not be joining us tonight. Rodrigo Araya 4:57 PM
Have any of you saw the drawing some hack uploaded to the FB group? 4:58Wait a minute…. Doug Kiser 4:58 PM
Hello all
Neil Ottenstein 4:58 PM
Just checked it out. Nice! Rodrigo Araya 4:58 PM
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Hello Doug Rodrigo Araya 4:59 PM
I had to ad lib a little so my drawing resembled Jack a little… 4:59Oh, there’s that man in the control room… again! 5:01P.S.: I said “Jack a little”, not “(Little) Jack Little”… garth_johnson 5:01 PM
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Rodrigo Araya 5:02 PM
FYI: “Little” Jack Little was a pianist, singer, bandleader and composer most popular in the early 30s with the song “A Shanty in Old Shanty Town” (1932). Doug Kiser 5:03 PM
Well my puppy just puked. I have to clean it up. lol Rodrigo Araya 5:03 PM
The pup probably saw my drawing… (edited) 5:04If so, don’t show him “Pin the Tobacco Leaf on the Comedian”… garth_johnson 5:04 PM
Rodrigo, Jack looks more like Johnny Carson. – Rodrigo Araya 5:05 PM
And Fred looks like Boris Karloff I guess… garth_johnson 5:06 PM
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Rodrigo Araya 5:06 PM
After doing it, I realized that the suits looked quite apropos to their home bases… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:06 PM
jell-o, everyone Rodrigo Araya 5:06 PM
Hi, Kathy. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:07 PM
Garth, I SOOOOO love that drawing, it looks like the sponsor is about to pin the tail on the donkey, and the donkey looks pretty weary Neil Ottenstein 5:07 PM
Hi Kathy garth_johnson 5:07 PM
Kathy will we have to pose our questions to you tonight in the form of an answer? Rodrigo Araya 5:08 PM
Drawing of Jack and Fred posted on the group. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:08 PM
yipe! I hope not, and happy belated birthday to you, sir 5:08Darrel Lantz interviewed me about the 1989 shenanigans for his videopodcast, for anyone who wants to see a very scared 29 year old make a fool of herself in 1989…. garth_johnson 5:09 PM
Great! — It’s nice to have gone around the Sun once again. Neil Ottenstein 5:11 PM
Still 39, though Rodrigo Araya 5:14 PM
Question to the answer: “Why was the ‘Tobacco Leaf’ caricature posted tonight?” kathy_fuller_seeley 5:14 PM
wow, are we a lively bunch tonight : ) say, I can report that I am supposed to submit the full manuscript of Lost Benny volume 2 by February 1 2021, so there is progress on that front, yay!!!! garth_johnson 5:14 PM
Yes my personal improbablity field is at 39 to 1 and holding 5:16Rodrigo – to keep Kenny in stitches kathy_fuller_seeley 5:16 PM
so, here is a question….do you all have input…. a graduate student wants to write her dissertation on the rise of “the schedule” in radio and TV. Now she only wanted to do TV, but I told her the major ideas of what to put on the air WHEN was developed in Radio. Anyone know why Amos and Andy was on at 6:30? or why anyone objected to Jack Benny’s move to sunday nights at 7:00? Rodrigo Araya 5:16 PM
Actually, Kathy. I had a similar question for you I had left at the inkwell… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:17 PM
inkwell : ) Rodrigo Araya 5:17 PM
How did prime time become established at 8 pm as early as the late 20s? Neil Ottenstein 5:17 PM
8 PM ET, though. Rodrigo Araya 5:17 PM
Most other countries have shifted their prime time hours over the years, but not in North America… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:18 PM
I guess Broadway shows started at 8 pm, or 8:30 or “about a quarter to nine” but then vaudeville was CONTINUOUS 5:18poor US West coasters, their “night” programming started at 5?? Neil Ottenstein 5:18 PM
When did they start a separate West coast broadcast? garth_johnson 5:19 PM
At least at 5 it’s dark in the fall season kathy_fuller_seeley 5:19 PM
I could search old newspapers to see when movie shows started, but THEY TOO were continuous, and many people just came in whenever, and supposedly left when they got back around to when they had entered Rodrigo Araya 5:19 PM
I think in 1934. garth_johnson 5:19 PM
I can’t see across the street right now without the streetlamp kathy_fuller_seeley 5:19 PM
winter SURE IS DARK! Neil Ottenstein 5:20 PM
It looks like there is a lot to look into for her dissertation. Rodrigo Araya 5:21 PM
I saw a pic of Times Sq. in 1929 and there were showings of “Broadway Melody” at 2 and 8.30 at the Astor. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:21 PM
you bet, if she’s willing to do it! haha I think she may have to dig in the papers of advertising agencies, as THEY bought the time for sponsors, the networks had very little to do with it….. garth_johnson 5:22 PM
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8 seems like a good number…. how much it must have pained folks in the midwest to be shunted back to 7:00 pm by radio networks!!!!! and then live TV…. garth_johnson 5:23 PM
Kathy – remember a lot of serials out of the Chicago Radio Mart — so the midwest had good programming too Rodrigo Araya 5:23 PM
Look at KHJ at 9 pm garth_johnson 5:23 PM
Fibber McGee too in the beginning kathy_fuller_seeley 5:23 PM
I think Jack Benny only had to start dealing with “second broadcast” when Jello moved him to sundays at 7 east coast time. In 1932 he’s on VERY LATE, like wednesdays or thursdays at 10 (and on the air twice a week in 1932) Rodrigo Araya 5:23 PM
“Varieties presented by Don Wilson.” garth_johnson 5:24 PM
Yes Rodrigo — that’s why this clipping is in the collection Rodrigo Araya 5:24 PM
Jack first appeared on the Coast for Chevrolet. 5:24“The Big Six of the Air”. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:24 PM
Hey Don, how many varieties? Rodrigo Araya 5:24 PM
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5:24Six delicious flavors. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:24 PM
wow what a great photo! I love Times Square photos Rodrigo Araya 5:24 PM
My timing was off by 15 minutes… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:26 PM
so, I hope she does a chapter on the beginnings of “prime time” and then also touches on “late night” and “daytime” and other positions of the clock dial. Saturday afternoons used to be a snooze. But I loved GE college bowl on sunday afternoons between the sporting events 5:27My undergraduates CAN NOT understand how TV worked on dull times when there was so little on, like saturday and sunday afternoons. They also have great trouble understanding why saturday mornings used to be so important to kids = cartoon ghetto Rodrigo Araya 5:28 PM
In North America and Britain there were sports on Saturday and culture on Sunday… Neil Ottenstein 5:28 PM
Saturday morning cartoons Rodrigo Araya 5:28 PM
In Latin America the weekends were covered by marathon variety shows. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:28 PM
the only day I would WILLINGLY get up at 6 am!!!! 5:29that is so interesting, Rodrigo! garth_johnson 5:29 PM
I can’t understand today’s “Breakfast Television” — all the traffic reports, weather and other such stuff — stuff that is much better on radio Rodrigo Araya 5:29 PM
You might have heard of “Sabados Gigantes” and “Siempre en Domingo”… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:29 PM
I agree, Garth! I am always in my car, not sitting around the TV. But my mother in law is a huge fan of morning TV…. Rodrigo Araya 5:30 PM
The format was invented in Argentina by “Sabados Circulares” in 1963. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:30 PM
Sabados yes! That is what I imagine that 1950 NBC’s “The Big Show” was trying to do (I am not sure how well) Rodrigo Araya 5:31 PM
Sabados Gigantes actually began in Chile around 1965. garth_johnson 5:31 PM
The local community access channel had a great morning interview show — but it was hosted by a lady who had 20 years of radio news and interviews shows — many times it was worth arriving 10 minutes late to work, and some of it is now on youtube! kathy_fuller_seeley 5:31 PM
maybe the closest we got in the 60s was Ed Sullivan on sundays, but wasn’t he only on for an hour? Rodrigo Araya 5:32 PM
Yeah. Marathon shows ran for eight hours. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:32 PM
wow….. Rodrigo Araya 5:32 PM
In fact, one Argentine “omnibus” in 1988 ran for 14 hours. Neil Ottenstein 5:32 PM
there were the Jerry Lewis Labor Day telethons kathy_fuller_seeley 5:32 PM
double wow!!!! But it makes a kind of sense to me, once you turn the cameras on and have a big stage, just keep rolling…. 5:33just as you say, Neil. Glad we did not have Jerry Lewis every week : ) 5:34Rodrigo, was Argentinian TV state owned? Did the sponsors and advertisers have as much power as in the US? That might be a reason that US TV was chopped up into individual shows Rodrigo Araya 5:34 PM
Latin American TV is a quite messy case… 5:35Here in Chile, until 1990 there was a state-owned network and the other networks were run by universities, but one of them was essentially a commercial network… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:36 PM
I have a colleague, Prof. Joe Straubhaar, who teaches courses on Latin American TV and contemporary Latin Am stuff, I understand it indeed messy, and lots of transforming of a platform or genre from one country to another, with all the language translations that involves Rodrigo Araya 5:36 PM
In Argentina and Peru there were private channels early on but were seized. 5:36Peru was a quite egregious case for all media became state-owned in the mid-70s. 5:37Radio stations, newspapers… kathy_fuller_seeley 5:37 PM
wow! we take so much for granted in the US Rodrigo Araya 5:38 PM
Radio in Latin America came faster than TV but took as long to develop… 5:38As late as 1940, stations worked “shifts”. 5:39Generally a “noon broadcast” and an “evening broadcast”, not running beyond 10 or 11 local time. 5:39I think Mexico was an exception. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:39 PM
one Benny mention…. Darrel Lantz (buckbennyotr) showed me an interesting US made for TV movie from 1972 that featured James Earl Jones as a congressman who suddenly becomes President and lots of backlash about race…. in the first two minutes Jack Benny is shown giving something like a talk at the Washington Correspondents’ Dinner….but all the big wigs get called away by a disaster. One of Jack’s final film/TV appearances, it was interesting 5:41Rodrigo that is so fascinating! As I said we in the US take so much for granted, when we are the outliers as the single most commercialized system in the world….. 5:42such wide expanses of land to cover, Rodrigo, and if the government wasn’t going to cover the cost of “wiring,” then radio and TV would take time, or be more “controlled”. I think much of continental Europe was the same way Rodrigo Araya 5:42 PM
A strange case was that of Colombia: the networks were state-owned but the programming was delegated to private contractors, like a less independent copy of ITV. 5:43FYI: ITV is the largest commercial TV network in GB and Europe. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:44 PM
Were there many issues of dialects or multiple languages to complicate broadcasting, Rodrigo? Another case where the US was “lucky” vs lets say Indian Neil Ottenstein 5:44 PM
ITV was the home of The Prisoner and The Avengers. (edited) Rodrigo Araya 5:45 PM
More like one of its contractors, ATV via ITC. 5:45I think ATV made “The Englebert Humperdinck Show”, where Jack did a guest spot. 5:46There was a TV Times piece promoting his appearance, entitled “The Clown Who Sees Death in the Afternoon”. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:46 PM
Its kind of interesting to search in US radio history for instances when anyone would remark that someone’s accent was “too difficult” to decifer. On a Benny note, when Phil Harris started on the show, it was said that his voice sounded indistinguisable from Benny’s. So they asked Phil to do the Southern drawl. Guess it stuck 5:46THAT IS one spooky ad, Rodrigo, clowns and death in the afternoon!!!!!! Rodrigo Araya 5:47 PM
It had to do with the fact Jack apparently had the tendency to become despondent at one point in the day or something. kathy_fuller_seeley 5:47 PM
yipe! garth_johnson 5:48 PM
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5:48I’ve got to clean up those shutterstock captions Rodrigo Araya 5:48 PM
Another UK-produced variety show that aired in the States was “The Tom Jones Show”, kathy_fuller_seeley 5:49 PM
there’s a wonderful Tom Jones-Janis Joplin duet that has been making its way around facebook, from that show garth_johnson 5:49 PM
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great photos!!!! Rodrigo Araya 5:50 PM
I’d like to see that pic of the corn-fed turkey again… 5:50I guess Phil was drinking corn syrup… garth_johnson 5:50 PM
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5:50Happy thanksgiving kathy_fuller_seeley 5:51 PM
how sad that the news is saying that turkey farmers produced too many large birds this year…… that is how Swanson’s TV dinners got started, to use up the extra turkey. Maybe we could have the Phil Harris special with a side of bourbon garth_johnson 5:52 PM
Does anybody remember the gravy recipe? kathy_fuller_seeley 5:53 PM
gosh no, from the show? does it involve bourbon, or is this Rochester and gin, or what? Rodrigo Araya 5:53 PM
Time to go to Allen’s Alley… 5:54Mrs. Nussbaum? garth_johnson 5:54 PM
Its in one of the radio shows — can’t remember when – involves bourbon kathy_fuller_seeley 5:54 PM
As I was telling mine husband Pierre…. Rodrigo Araya 5:54 PM
What do you think about the turkey surplus? 5:55Texaco Star News — Sees Nothing, Smells All. garth_johnson 5:55 PM
I say – I say there is no turkey surplus kathy_fuller_seeley 5:55 PM
I mean, the difference between now and 1932 is that we don’t have to pour the unsold milk/turkeys in the gutter……entrepreneurs might come up with new frozen turkey delights garth_johnson 5:55 PM
I say – I say the turkeys all went north for the winter kathy_fuller_seeley 5:56 PM
here in Maine we used them as bedwarmers garth_johnson 5:56 PM
I admit there is a turkey, but I concede nothing! kathy_fuller_seeley 5:56 PM
turn the radio on in their henhouse, turn it to Sinatra and watch turkey egg futures take off Rodrigo Araya 5:57 PM
Therw WAS an “Allen’s Alley” sketch about an egg surplus in 1944… Neil Ottenstein 5:58 PM
Except there were a lot of farmers who were destroying food earlier this year until some people figured out some things to do kathy_fuller_seeley 5:58 PM
and gentlemen, its time for me to sail into the sunset. Laura is sending me another batch of Barbara Thunell scrapbooks, should get here Monday and I will start posting pix on fb!!!! Rodrigo Araya 5:58 PM
Good night. Neil Ottenstein 5:58 PM
Cool! 5:58Good night garth_johnson 5:59 PM
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