IJBFC Chat - February 7, 2010
(Name of message originator in [] brackets at the beginning of each line)
[Laura
Leff] Hi folks!
[Brad
from Georgia] Hi, Laura. We're up agin the Superbowl, ya know.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Superbowl? What's that?
[Brad
from Georgia] It's like a regular bowl, but it's, like, super?
[Laura
Leff] Hi Paul - I don't recognize your name right off...are you new
here?
[ed
k] i am playing it online so i'll leave at the 3rd quarter start
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Oh...kind of like a special is two half hour shows put
together?
[Brad
from Georgia] No, a special is when coffee goes down to 84 cents a
pound. In fact, these days that's a SPECTACULAR.
[Laura
Leff] Especially considering Starbucks' prices.
[Paul_M]
I just added you on FB, Laura
[Paul_M]
i'm Midwave in the group
[Brad
from Georgia] Yeah, at school the guy who always stocked the coffee
room retired, so now I'm the coffee guy. Just bought eight pounds at a
supermarket that's going out of business.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Ah, very good. Welcome in!
[Paul_M]
so far this year, only old eppy's of Jack Benny have made me smile...i've had a
rotten start to the new year
[Laura
Leff] Sorry we don't have a larger group tonight...
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Hopefully the episode for discussion tonight made you
smile!
[ed
k] to bad about the store i work at a grocery-our store closed in
2001 and i was transferred to another one in the co.
[Brad
from Georgia] Sorry about your bad year (so far) Paul. Hope things
turn up for you soon.
[ed
k] too*
[Laura
Leff] Who ever thought of supermarkets going out of
business...everyone needs food.
[Brad
from Georgia] I have to say Mary did a nice job of reading Phil's
lines!
[Paul_M]
My house was burglarized while i was at work (1-12) and none of the neighbors
saw anything....then the friday after that my neighbors waterline burst a 2nd
time this winter taking my water with it (no water in the house for 2 weeks)
[Laura
Leff] Well, if this ends up being a short chat, I've got no issue
with it...still plenty of stuff I need to do before the weekend is out.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Holy cow!
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh, man! Sorry, Paul. Maybe you've used up your bad
luck for theyear.
[Paul_M]
i still have to go shooping
[Brad
from Georgia] Laura, Eddie Anderson really was lost at sea just
before this episode, no?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - In what region of the country are you located?
[ed
k] paul should be no trouble finding a parking spot at the store
[Brad
from Georgia] I mean for a short time, of course.
[Paul_M]
then as things are getting straightened out at home, we get hit with 16 inches
of snow
[Paul_M]
Ohio
[Laura
Leff] Brad - sure was. That's why they wrote it in.
[Brad
from Georgia] We escaped the snow in GA but had 3 inches of rain in
24 hours.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Yow. Both my parents are from Dayton and I'm from
Michigan, so I have a firsthand appreciation for the weather challenges!
[Paul_M]
i love rain
[Paul_M]
i'm in the Youngstown area
[Brad
from Georgia] It washes memories off the sidewalks of life.
[Laura
Leff] And chalk
[ed
k] and snow
[Brad
from Georgia] (that's a line from Woody Allen's Play it Again, Sam)
[Laura
Leff] I'm awfully glad we didn't have the 39 Man March in Washington
around this time.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Oh I know.
[Paul_M]
oh..and one thing that was damaged was the case from my 4-disc set of Jack Benny
(Mill Creek Entertainment)
[Laura
Leff] Paul - As long as it's just the case and not the discs in it.
[ed
k] OUCH!!!
[Brad
from Georgia] Paul--My wife found a "Johnny Carson and
Friends" Mill CreekDVD in the bargain bin at Borders' and bought it for me.
It has about six Jack Benny appearances in it.
[Laura
Leff] Yes, Mary sounds like she's actually having a good time on the
show for tonight.
[Brad
from Georgia] Some on the Carson show, some on "Shower of
Stars."
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Cool...anything we don't already have in the library?
[Paul_M]
discs look fine....case will be impossible to find a replacement...2 discs sit
inside, while the other two swing on a insert that locks into a center lock in
the middle
[Paul_M]
wow
[Brad
from Georgia] Haven't really checked yet. There's a pretty bad
special celebrating the opening of Television City.
[Paul_M]
i'll have to look for that Brad
[Laura
Leff] What other thoughts on tonight's show?
[Paul_M]
Laura....i read all the details about he Jack Benny recordings that CBS won't
release....when MCA made the VHS Collection in the late 1990s, were those
masters from CBS, or did they do their own restoration?
[Laura
Leff] Talking of older shows, the crazy start of this show sounds
more to me like late 30s than other shows of this time.
[Brad
from Georgia] Am I wrong or were the Symmmmmmmpathy singers the
show's writers? Tackaberry, Josefsberg, Balzer?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I think they released only shows they owned, and those
copies were probably owned by MCA.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - That's right.
[Brad
from Georgia] I thought I remembered that. Was too lazy to go
upstairs for 39 Forever to check.
[Paul_M]
would be nice if MCA, if they are still around as a legal company, would release
those VHS items onto DVD
[Laura
Leff] Brad - That's OK. My working copy is only across the room, but
I pulled up my electronic file instead.
[Brad
from Georgia] I thought this was a bright little show. Phil's switch
on the joke was classic Benny writing.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Well, funny you mention that. I had a call with NBC
about that within the last couple of weeks.
[Paul_M]
what did they say?
[Laura
Leff] (Quick aside from tonight's show)
[Paul_M]
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[Brad
from Georgia] Who was the phone operator? Her voice sounded very
familiar.
[Laura
Leff] So here's the gist...Universal Home Entertainment made a
conscious decision to not pursue releasing the Benny shows. Their rationale is
that they want to focus on top current shows/movies.
[ed
k] bea benaderet?
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Jane Tucker...Jeanette Eyeman's predecessor.
[ed
k] oh
[Brad
from Georgia] So we get classic modern crap instead of classic
classic comedy. Oy!
[Laura
Leff] So I asked about NBC Universal being open to sublicensing the
shows, and they absolutely are.
[Laura
Leff] But...
[Laura
Leff] They've talked to various companies (like Guthy Renker, who did
the Dean Martin roasts)
[Laura
Leff] And no one has been able to give them a bid to make it
worthwhile to move it forward.
[Laura
Leff] I threw out the names of a couple companies I knew who had been
interested in Benny properties, and they had also turned them down.
[Laura
Leff] So there are a couple more companies I've talked with who are
still actively interested.
[Laura
Leff] I'm trying to just get someone interested enough to start
working the deal...I don't get any money out of it, just want to get someone
working on releasing the shows.
[Laura
Leff] So that's where it stands now.
[Brad
from Georgia] Would letters of support from the fans help the cause?
[ed
k] i write them
[Brad
from Georgia] I would, too.
[ed
k] give us some e-mails LL
[Laura
Leff] Brad - It's hard to say. It's more motivation to the
distribution companies to get them to find the money to do it.
[Paul_M]
Have you talked to the families of Bud Abbott, Lou Costello, and Harold Lloyd
and sought those companies they dealt with?
[Brad
from Georgia] And Laurel and Hardy's families, too.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I know the companies that did the Red Skelton material,
and they've turned this material down.
[Laura
Leff] I used to know Lou Costello's daughter years ago, and hadn't
thought about going that way. They did save Universal once...
[Brad
from Georgia] Bad economy right now for launching a new DVD set,
unfortunately.
[Laura
Leff] It's a good thought. I'll check into it.
[Paul_M]
alot of these cheap companies are getting into remastering now
[Laura
Leff] Brad - And that's part of what my NBC contact said. That no one
can sell enough volume to make money on the deal.
[Paul_M]
the A&B sets were done on a low budge
[Paul_M]
t
[Brad
from Georgia] BTW, Laura, did Jack and Mary own a house in Palm
Springs? If so, is it still standing?
[Paul_M]
have you attempted to contact the guy over at TVonDVD.com?
[Laura
Leff] So even if we got 1K people to send letters, selling that many
sets wouldn't really do much.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Yes, and not sure. I've got a postcard with a picture of
it.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I don't know him...do you? Could you arrange an
introduction? Maybe I know him...what's the name?
[Brad
from Georgia] Somewhere on line I found a spectacular aerial view of
the Roxbury Drive home.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Maybe Zillow.com?
[Paul_M]
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com
[Laura
Leff] Or could be a Yahoo maps or other satellite view...
[Laura
Leff] BRB...let me make a quick check of that site.
[Paul_M]
with our pushing, we nudged CBS to put full seasons of The Lucy SHow on
DVD...took several years of nagging
[Brad
from Georgia] Might have been. I guess Johnny Cash's dad on
"Ring of Fire" was right: "Your house ain't as big as Jack
Benny's."
[Brad
from Georgia] Good for you, Paul!
[Paul_M]
they even give you the choice of playing it modernized, or classic with the old
intertwined commercials and glitchy intros
[Paul_M]
Laura...he's also on FB and Twitter....
[Laura
Leff] I see...it's about motivating people to release the shows, not
actually selling them.
[Brad
from Georgia] Nice. The specialon the dedication of Television City
was full of line fluffs. Even Gale Gordon screwed up a couple of times.
[Brad
from Georgia] There's me missing this tiny space bar again.
[Paul_M]
http://www.facebook.com/tvshowsondvd
[Laura
Leff] What's funny is that CBS' work on restoring the "I Love
Lucy" shows was one of their "proud items" that they were showing
off to me when I was there.
[Paul_M]
i would LOVE to have a job restoring classic tv series and movies
[Laura
Leff] Considering that CBS isn't even entertaining sublicense options
for the shows in their "vault", I'm hoping it means they're thinking
of releasing them themselves.
[Paul_M]
i hope so
[Laura
Leff] But we'll see.
[Brad
from Georgia] A "Jack Benny Show" set should be economical
to manufacture. One DVD could hold the first five seasons....
[Laura
Leff] And I've got other stuff in the works even if they don't. (she
said mysteriously)
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Could it really, though?
[Brad
from Georgia] Probably, but on a slow speed.....
[Laura
Leff] The first show is 45 minutes, and can't you only get maybe 3
hours on a DVD?
[Laura
Leff] We're watching "The Avengers" from 1963 and there are
three hour-long episodes on a disc.
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh, I can get six hours on a DVD. But I'd have to
bootleg it, and the quality would stink.
[Laura
Leff] OK. We don't want stinky Benny DVDs.
[Paul_M]
Laura....the recordings you have on DVD...how do those differ from what's in the
CBS vault and what MCA used?
[Laura
Leff] The recordings I have in the library come from a tremendously
wide variety of sources, and I don't even know the pedigree of most of them.
[Laura
Leff] But in general...
[Laura
Leff] Many of them were recorded off-air. So you're subject to the
MCA edits for the syndication set.
[Laura
Leff] Some of them are complete with original commercials, and may
have come off 16mm prints that someone had somewhere.
[Paul_M]
and those hold a different license than what CBS and MCA have?
[Laura
Leff] So one could say that the off-air shows come from the MCA
copies, but after editing for syndication and rebroadcast, copy to tape, and
then transfer to DVD.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Well, I'll try and answer that without going into a lot
of detail that would bore everyone.
[Brad
from Georgia] Multitasking. My cowriter on the King Kong book, Joe,
just called from Pennsylvania. He spent three hours shoveling his drive, and
then the snowplow came along and barricaded his car in again.
[Laura
Leff] What CBS has is all public domain. None of their shows were
ever registered for copyright, so fell into PD eventually.
[Brad
from Georgia] It's okay, I have a speakerphone.
[Paul_M]
i had this discussion in the past over the Lucy Show PD episodes, some of which
are now part of The Lucy Show CBS DVDs
[Laura
Leff] Brad - I love living in California.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - OK, good...so you're hep to these challenges!
[Laura
Leff] What MCA has, by and large and as best we know, are copies of
the shows to which they still hold copyright.
[Brad
from Georgia] AND I'm watching the Simpsons. Classic exchange at the
end with Homer and the Smothers Brothers! Homer: "Tom, I don't know why
they think you're the dumb one."
[Laura
Leff] They probably have copies of shows that were never registered
or expired at some time as well, but the bulk of what they have is probably what
they own.
[Laura
Leff] But the caveat is that I don't have a list of the exact shows
they have in their respective "vault".
[Brad
from Georgia] Ok, Joe just said goodbye, so I'll give my full
attention to whatever it is that I'm doing now.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I'll take a breather there and see if I already answered
your question.
[Paul_M]
yea...so MCA owns the only copyright to a few of the JB shows? And CBS is
hoarding stuff they don't legally own anymore?
[Laura
Leff] (And NBC had a fire at a Universal warehouse about 1.5 years
ago, and they're still in the process of figuring out what they lost and
replacing it.)
[Paul_M]
oooooooh
[Paul_M]
here's my big question then....for you Laura....
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Well...on the home page (www.jackbenny.org) I posted a
listing of the copyright status for each TV show.
[Laura
Leff] So click on the Copyright link under Featured Items and you can
see how much they own. I haven't counted recently, but I think it's about 130
shows.
[Laura
Leff] CBS technically has the "physical rights" to their
copies of the shows, but they don't own the copyrights to the shows. Legally,
they're entitled to do whatever they want with their physical copies. But yes,
you could say they're hoarding them because
[Paul_M]
if ALL of what you have in your collection is PD...and i'm sure alot of what you
have is not found anywhere else but cheap PD DVDs and the MCA VHS.....Anyway
someone would talk to you and Joan Benny about releasing what's not out there
already,...
[Laura
Leff] they won't permit access to them and don't own the copyrights.
[Paul_M]
but in PD...and put out a LOST JACK BENNY DVD COLLECTION?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Not all of what I have is PD.
[Paul_M]
ooooooooh ok
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Well...like I said, I've got a few things in the works.
[Paul_M]
ok
[Paul_M]
cool
[Laura
Leff] It's just that things are at a pretty early stage right now,
[Laura
Leff] and I've seen a lot of deals like this go into nothingness or
run up against something that eventually kills it.
[Paul_M]
i would love to see a "Lost Jack Benny Gems" DVD with you and Joan
being interviewed
[Brad
from Georgia] I'll second that.
[Laura
Leff] Joan is definitely very aware and involved in what's going on,
so I'd love to see that as well.
[Laura
Leff] Also, these projects can take a lot of time to actually come to
"public release". So just know that I'll keep pushing. Have been doing
so for a few decades now, and am finally starting to see a little movement!
[Paul_M]
[Brad
from Georgia] Like jump-starting a glacier, eh?
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Seriously...
[Laura
Leff] But one more comment on some of what I have not being PD.
[Paul_M]
ok...
[Laura
Leff] If your public library had a copy of a movie, let's say
"Gone With the Wind", they could lend it out for viewing.
[Laura
Leff] It's technically for private use, educational purposes.
[Paul_M]
correct
[Laura
Leff] So it's the same with the IJBFC. We're a non-profit educational
group dedicated to educating people on the life and work of Jack Benny.
[Paul_M]
ok
[Brad
from Georgia] But if they have a copy of GWTW with Jack Benny as
Rhett Butler, they're in some kind of weird alternate universe.
[Paul_M]
understood
[Laura
Leff] We don't have a brick-and-mortar site where people can come to
see the programs.
[Laura
Leff] So the way we make our shows available is through the video
library. And happily, most users also make a voluntary donation when they get
access to the material.
[Paul_M]
that brings up another question of mine....
[Laura
Leff] But there's no obligation to pay.
[Laura
Leff] I don't have the rights to the shows, and I can't sell them. So
we don't.
[Laura
Leff] OK, off my soapbox.
[Paul_M]
would you get in trouble if you posted small clips of JB video material on the
website?
[Brad
from Georgia] Seriously, Jack would be so pleased to know that in
2010 fans still want to see his shows.
[Laura
Leff] I just need to put that philosophy out there in conjunction
with the statement that not everything is PD.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Not if we posted PD material.
[Paul_M]
understandable
[Laura
Leff] I suppose we could if we posted music, because technically
that's still under copyright.
[Laura
Leff] But YouTube doesn't seem to be suffering from that issue now.
[Laura
Leff] The family is actually interested in helping us do that to make
the video library available.
[Paul_M]
i keep finding more Benny stuff on Archive.org...and now someone posted a Danny
Thomas Show with JB...i woulda thought that show was copyrighted
[Brad
from Georgia] Major gripe: my telephone company made me replace my
old cell phone, and the new one they gave me won't let me use my recording of
Jack playing "Love in Bloom" as a ringtone.
[Laura
Leff] I just don't want to do it while some of these things are in
play, lest anyone get cold feet because they think I'm just going to post
"their stuff" onto the Web.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Can't speak to the Danny Thomas show...I haven't
researched those copyrights!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - A member actually got the sheet music of LiB from me and
programmed his ringtone with it.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I've even thought about linking to Archive.org, but
they're also violating the copyrights on the Benny radio shows, so I keep it
separate.
[Brad
from Georgia] I used a recording from a 1941 benefit performance on
my old phone. New one won't let me upload .mp3's.
[Paul_M]
Laura - I read somewhere that the lady that Marjorie Lord actually owns the
copyright to the DT Show's final few seasons
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Could be. I don't know who produced the show, or who
would have registered the copyrights.
[Paul_M]
Marjorie Lord, who played Danny Thomas' wife
[Laura
Leff] Smart woman if she does.
[Paul_M]
ya
[Laura
Leff] OK, so it wasn't a quick aside from discussion of tonight's
show.
[Paul_M]
[Brad
from Georgia] But Mary was funny as Phil. And she nailed his
intonations.
[Laura
Leff] Any more on copyright issues/questions?
[Paul_M]
i'm sure i'll think of more...
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Yeah! I've got to wonder if he coached her a bit.
[Paul_M]
[Laura
Leff] I'm particularly fond of the line: "What are we aiming
at?" "4:30"
[Brad
from Georgia] I've tried and tried to do a Phil impression and can't
do it to save my life. LL--that was a great line!
[Laura
Leff] We got seriously lucky and had a great Canadian Phil Harris for
our recreations.
[Paul_M]
are you able to leave a mark next to an item stating that it is a PD item?
[Brad
from Georgia] LL--Are there recordings of the recreations?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Mark as in...bug on the video? Or in the library
listing?
User
ed k has logged out.
[Paul_M]
library listing
[Laura
Leff] Brad - There's...an audio of the Waukegan recreation. I can't
remember if we filmed the Los Angeles one or not.
[Brad
from Georgia] Let's listen to that for the next chat!
[Brad
from Georgia] Maybe pair it with the real thing?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Well, I've kind of done that for the TV shows by giving
the copyright listing.
[Paul_M]
ok
[Paul_M]
i just noticed the listing last night
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I'd have to do a lot more research on everything else
we've got, which would take a LONG time!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Hmmm...an interesting thought.
[Brad
from Georgia] I'd love to hear the recreation. Eddie is a joy to
hear.
[Laura
Leff] The problem is that I don't think I have it as an MP3.
[Brad
from Georgia] Aw, crab crackers.
[Laura
Leff] Oh, and you should hear the blooper in it.
[Laura
Leff] Eddie handled it as smoothly as Jack would have.
[Laura
Leff] People even thought we planned it.
[Paul_M]
have you ever considered asking for help on the website, or looking into a site
redesign? I build sites myself, and am willing to offer my help if you ever want
to rebuild the site a bit
[Brad
from Georgia] I'd love to hear it!
[Laura
Leff] Paul - I appreciate that. The thing is that the look/feel of
the Web site matches our newsletters and my books. So even though it's not
particularly flashy, it's consistent.
[Paul_M]
true
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Let me see if I can find it, and what format it is.
[Brad
from Georgia] BTW, in April I'm going into the studio for Atlanta
Radio Theatre to record Tom Fuller's epic "Dancer in the Dark," a
three-hour long series.
[Paul_M]
cool, Brad
[Laura
Leff] Wow
[Laura
Leff] What are you performing?
[Laura
Leff] What part?
[Brad
from Georgia] As usual, I'm playing a New England codger. Professor
Cletus Tremaine.
[Laura
Leff] Not that I know the source material.
[Laura
Leff] You and Parker Fennelley
[Brad
from Georgia] It's a pastiche of H.P. Lovecraft. I'm an elderly
retired professor from Miskatonic University.
[Brad
from Georgia] I'll also have a part in "Blues for Johnny
Raven," a raspy-voiced snitch for the detective.
[Laura
Leff] Cool. Are these ever posted online?
[Brad
from Georgia] I think some may be posted at the Atlanta Radio Theatre
website--www.artc.org.
[Laura
Leff] You should mention that on the Forum under "Other stuff we
like". I bet people would enjoy it.
[Brad
from Georgia] I was also Sergeant Colon in our adaptation of Terry
Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" My son was Nobby Nobbs. Fun show--our
guest star was John Rhys-Davies. I will, LL.
[Laura
Leff] Oh, and a purely personal gripe for your amusement.
[Laura
Leff] Our books are printed by Booksurge, which recently merged with
CreateSpace.
[Laura
Leff] Both Amazon companies.
[Paul_M]
are your books going to go digital also?
[Laura
Leff] And Booksurge had set up our 2000-2005 back issues copy wrong,
and I had to set it up again.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - No, I've resisted that. Too easy to pirate.
[Laura
Leff] So I set it up and resubmit the exact same files that were
always there.
[Laura
Leff] CreateSpace rejected them. There's a mention of Amazon.com
in them.
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh noes!
[Laura
Leff] I looked in the text, and it's basically, "So-n-so has a
book out that's available on Amazon.com. Check it out, it's good."
[Laura
Leff] I talked with them and said, "Come on...it's not even
saying anything pro or con about Amazon. And you've been printing it for
years!"
[Laura
Leff] Nope. No Amazon mentions. No exceptions.
User
ed k has entered this room.
[Laura
Leff] So subsequent copies of the book will have a big block over
that area that says "CENSORED BY PRINTER"
[Laura
Leff] I just need to update those pages in the PDF.
[Brad
from Georgia] My agent is working on getting a bunch of my books out
on Kindle. I asked him if there's money in it, and he said, "Oh, eigthy-five
cents, a dollar now and then."
[ed
k] sorry it kicked me out
[Laura
Leff] OK, that's my gripe. Thanks for letting me share. Not that I
gave you a choice.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - I thought you were just bored by the copyright talk.
[Brad
from Georgia] My new publisher, Sourcebooks, sent me my galleys for
"Flight of the Outcast" in mark-uppable PDF. First time I've ever
worked with it.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Do you like it?
[Brad
from Georgia] Hard to get the hang of it, Laura. I kept accidentally
putting in insert points without meaning to insert anything, and I couldn't find
out how to remove them.
[Brad
from Georgia] Gee, that sounded dirty....
[Laura
Leff] I haven't marked up that much PDF yet, so haven't tried it.
[Brad
from Georgia] But it's proofreading. How racy could it be?
[Laura
Leff] Depends on what you're proofreading, I suppose.
[Laura
Leff] Well, anything else for this month, or shall we call it good?
[Paul_M]
i must go now....i'll probably think of more questions about copyright at some
time, Laura....what is the best way to pay for special collections ? If I pay
the $10 donation, is the cost of the disc and shipping part of that, or how much
more should i pay
[Paul_M]
i was looking at ordering SC #7 and #8
[Brad
from Georgia] Yeah, small, select group, good show, interesting info.
Thanks, all!
[Laura
Leff] Paul - That's part of the library process...you've got to send
a blank disc. Another process that separates me from taking money and returning
a product, thus "selling" the shows.
[Paul_M]
ok
[Paul_M]
and how about the return shipping?
[Brad
from Georgia] Yes, do you prefer SASE's?
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Ah...the donation is entirely up to you. The return
shipping will depend on how you package the blank, but you can calculate it
based on weight at www.usps.com.
[Paul_M]
how much is media mail from Ohio to CA?
[Paul_M]
ok
[Laura
Leff] Whatever packaging is used to send the blanks is what I use to
return it. SASE's are very cool and make my life easier, but not required.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - Depends on weight.
[Brad
from Georgia] Paul--it's about $2.50 for the first 11 oz., IIRC.
[Laura
Leff] Paul - You can look it up at www.usps.com.
[Paul_M]
i'll find some media mailers....don't think they stole anything from that
clustered room
[Laura
Leff] Sounds good...I'll keep an eye out for it.
[Laura
Leff] OK, well, thanks for stopping tonight! Talk with you in March!
[Brad
from Georgia] Best
of luck with the rest of 2010, Paul!
[Paul_M]
Nice
chatting with you all!
[Brad
from Georgia] Goodnight,
all.