IJBFC Chat - May 10, 2009
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[Brad
from Georgia] Hi, John, LL!
[Steve
.shimp.] Hi John and Laura
[Laura
Leff] Hi folks!
[KayLhota]
Hello John and Laura
[Laura
Leff] How's everyone doing tonight?
[KayLhota]
pretty good
[John
Petty] hi everyone
[Brad
from Georgia] Well, here I am by the Gulf of Mexico, unwinding from a
horrific spring semester!\
[Steve
.shimp.] Great, just got a job offer as I was telling the others...!
[KayLhota]
Laura, did you get the disc that I mailed to you?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Just opened the CD of your reading of Sunday Nights at
Seven. Thanks!
[KayLhota]
oh! You are welcome
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Mazel tov! Anything specific you can share?
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, I'll be moving to the gulf of mexico myself, my new
office will be right on the beach!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Sorry to hear that the semester was bad...weather,
students, faculty, or...?
[Laura
Leff] And how did Romeo and Juliet go?
[Steve
.shimp.] 'course, I don't know where I'll LIVE, yet...
[Laura
Leff] So no more Williamsburg for you?
[John
Petty] you should be geeting cheaper home prices wherever on the
coast
[Steve
.shimp.] Nope. I don't know if I'll be moving before or after Eddie
Carroll's show in August here.
[Laura
Leff] Important to Benny fans...
[Steve
.shimp.] Believe it or not, that is actually bugging me!
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, cheap homes there.
[Brad
from Georgia] LL--Just one thing after another: my mom got sick and
was in hospital for a week (she's better) and my friend and teaching colleague
Tom Deitz had a heart attack, lingered three months, and then died.
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[KayLhota]
Hi Mike
[Frank
J. Lhota] Hi Mike
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Oh dear...sorry to hear that.
[Steve
.shimp.] Sorry to hear about that, Brad (other than that your mom is
better!, that's great()
[Laura
Leff] Hi Mike
[Mike
Amo] Jello folks...Java loading delay
[Steve
.shimp.] Hi Mike
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Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[KayLhota]
oops, there goes Frank
[Brad
from Georgia] I was given an overload, at no pay...Tom had no family
in state, so Barbara and I and some others were his caregivers. I was with him
the morning he passed away. I'd known him for 25 years.
[Laura
Leff] Well, as they say, only place to go is up...
[Brad
from Georgia] Let's HOPE so!
[KayLhota]
Frank didn't know that he left
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Gosh, that's got to be hard.
[Mike
Amo] Happy Mom's day, moms!
[KayLhota]
thanks Mike
[Brad
from Georgia] Tom made me his literary executor before he died. He is
the author of 19 books, so it's a little daunting.
[Steve
.shimp.] I hope the vacation is doing some good for you Brad!
[Brad
from Georgia] Well, I'm starting to sleep through the night again,
anyway!
[John
Petty] is everyone aware that youtube has officially added about 15
full benny Tv shows. not bootlegs
[Laura
Leff] As long as we're starting with sad news (and will turn this
around soon), we lost one of our rabits very unexpectedly about a week ago.
[KayLhota]
awesome!
[Laura
Leff] So I guess it's been a time for loss.
[Brad
from Georgia] Joun, no I didn't know that!
[Brad
from Georgia] John!
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, sorry about the rabbit Laura.
[Brad
from Georgia] Sorry.
[Mike
Amo] Sorry Brad
[KayLhota]
yes, I am sorry for your rabbit
[Laura
Leff] John - Public domain shows, I presume?
[Steve
.shimp.] Check out veoh.com, there are even more Benny shows (though,
probably unauthorized)
[John
Petty] go to movies and then put in benny
[Mike
Amo] Sorry Laura
[John
Petty] they probably are pd
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[Laura
Leff] Thanks, folks. Our rabbits are our children, so it's always
very hard to lose one. Especially when you're not expecting it.
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh, Steve--when you get to Ft. Myers, check out Sanibel
Island if you've never been there. Used to be a lovely spot, anyway! Hope it
still is.
[John
Petty] its the ones that show up on the cutout dvds
[Laura
Leff] John - Which ones are they? Do you know off the top of your
head?
[Steve
.shimp.] Yes, I've been going down to the area ever since I was a
kid. Used to love Sanibel.
[John
Petty] hold on i'll tell you
[Steve
.shimp.] The Bubble Room is still there I believe.
[Mike
Amo] Brad, friends visiting there this winter said it still is
[KayLhota]
Hello frank
[Laura
Leff] John - So jam session, Humphrey Bogart, Road to Nairobi, Jack
Dreams he's Married to Mary, etc...
[Brad
from Georgia] Was the last time I looked!
[Mike
Amo] wb Frank
[KayLhota]
no, this is another Frank
[Mike
Amo] oh, lol, oops
[Laura
Leff] Hi Frank!
[Brad
from Georgia] Hi, another Frank!
[Steve
.shimp.] Let's all be frank.
[Mike
Amo] Where's my scorecard!
[Laura
Leff] I am Spartacus
[KayLhota]
my Frank is still trying to unfreeze the laptop
[John
Petty] they are all dated 1950
[Brad
from Georgia] You be Frank, I'll be Furter.
[frank]
good evening to all
[Laura
Leff] John - Then at least 14 of them are wrong...
[Steve
.shimp.] with the pickle in the middle and the mustard on top
[KayLhota]
and welcome to the Jack Benny chat, frank
[John
Petty] i grew up in ft myers . grad of FMHS
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Don't go any Furter with that...
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, wow! Any pointers for living there John?
[Brad
from Georgia] LL--I never sausage a pun.
[Laura
Leff] We'll get to Jack Benny in a moment, but first...
[John
Petty] dont try to do anything during the winter months
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, I already knew that. It will be interesting being
there permanently.
[Mike
Amo] My 9-year-old computer is currently locking up fairly often, so
if I poof, I'll try to get back...new system with lots more power, will be
installed Tuesday
[John
Petty] traffic is impossible the population doubles or triples
[Laura
Leff] This message from the Fort Myers Visitors' and Residents'
Bureau
[KayLhota]
Frank Lhota is restarting the window, and it's going slow
[Steve
.shimp.] LOL. Sorry. I am excited though, it has been a rough, long
ride to get out of here.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - You'll have to drop me a line via E-mail and tell all.
[Steve
.shimp.] Sure, will do.
[Laura
Leff] So what did folks think of Halls of Ivy?
[Steve
.shimp.] Well, it was my suggestion, but I got a kick out of it.
[Mike
Amo] I was surprised to be not impressed, but it was good to hear
everybody anyway
[Brad
from Georgia] I love the halls of Ivy that surround me here today,
and I will not forget her though I be far, far away....
[KayLhota]
it was interesting to hear the blending of the Jack Benny and Colman's and the
plot of Halls
[Steve
.shimp.] I think the weird post-moderny gags of William Todhunter
Hall talking about Ronald Colman didn't go over well with the audience.
[Brad
from Georgia] I remember the show, vaguely, from TV, but this was the
first radio ep I've ever heard.
[KayLhota]
I hadn't heard it in a while, and I don't think Frank had, ever
[Laura
Leff] How do you feel it compares to Benny shows with the Colmans as
guests?
[Steve
.shimp.] Might have been ahead of its time.
[Mike
Amo] I did like the college President, but everyone else was
themselves ... however, I'd never heard the show before
[Brad
from Georgia] I did like Mr. Magoo's turn as Jack's publicist!
[KayLhota]
well, I adore the Colmans.
[Steve
.shimp.] Was that Jim Backus?
[KayLhota]
it sure was!
[Brad
from Georgia] Yep, Jim Backus.
[Mike
Amo] It was all very listenable anyway
[Laura
Leff] Yeah...what Steve said.
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, wow, I didn't put that together!
[KayLhota]
the Hornblows at Midnight was a groaner
[Laura
Leff] I didn't either...and was probably told about it in the past!
[Mike
Amo] I didn't recognize him
[Laura
Leff] Don't give up the ship
[Brad
from Georgia] Backus even did a proto-Magoo laugh at one point . . .
one of those "nya-ah" chuckles.
[Mike
Amo] Actually, that was a great line, though I didn't know how they'd
construct it
[Steve
.shimp.] Thurston Howell III meets Jack Benny. Jack probably tried to
borrow money.
[Laura
Leff] It might have been even more interesting to have the old Steve
Bradley character come on for the role.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - More likely Howell tried to borrow from Jack!
[Brad
from Georgia] It was funny to have Jack's generous side come out at
the end!
[KayLhota]
well, the Halls of Ivy is a sweet program
[Brad
from Georgia] Although...I think the show could have used a tad more
of Jack a tad earlier.
[Mike
Amo] I liked that note he left at the end too
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frank has logged out.
[KayLhota]
now we've lost the other frank
[Mike
Amo] Two Franks down
[Laura
Leff] Two franks, no bun
[KayLhota]
boy, something about this room
[Mike
Amo] hold the pickle
[Steve
.shimp.] I wonder what was cut out for AFRS.
[Laura
Leff] I didn't do it... *looks innocent*
[Brad
from Georgia] Colonel Mustard in the hall with ivy.
[Mike
Amo] Just the commercials
[KayLhota]
the beer commercials
[Steve
.shimp.] Brad
[Laura
Leff] Well, commercials...and any references that were too
"homey"
[Brad
from Georgia] What was the Halls of Ivy sponsor?
[KayLhota]
Schlitz beer
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Timely...just finished watching Gosford Park last night.
[Mike
Amo] Really? lol, good college fare
[Brad
from Georgia] I did notice Jack humming "Be happy, go Luckie."
[Steve
.shimp.] Which is really funny since Schlitz is considered so lowbrow
and the Colmans rather highbrow
[Steve
.shimp.] But Schlitz used to be classy, or so I hear.
[Laura
Leff] Whenever I hear a reference to Schlitz, I always remember the
B-school case study where they did something to save costs
[Steve
.shimp.] Like taking out the 'l'?
[Laura
Leff] and ended up with a bunch of cloudy beer that they had to
landfill.
[Brad
from Georgia] What was the Champagne of Bottled Beers? I forget. Not
a beer drinker.
[KayLhota]
Millers High Life
[John
Petty] the beer that made milwaukee famous
[Steve
.shimp.] What Kay said
[Laura
Leff] Well, Lucky Strike is lowbrow now too.
[Steve
.shimp.] Lucky Strikes are LETHAL now.
[Steve
.shimp.] No filters.
[Brad
from Georgia] Yes, Miller used to sponsor Amos 'n' Andy on TV.
[Mike
Amo] It was a great candy cigarette though, so firm, so fully packed
[Laura
Leff] I think I've got an ad for Schlitz with Groucho on it.
[Laura
Leff] Maybe one with Liberace too.
[Brad
from Georgia] "You've got a better head on your beer than on
your shoulders."
[KayLhota]
interesting since he had Pabst as his sponsor
[Mike
Amo] "National Bo"
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I'd have to go really look at it...been on the wall so
long that I haven't really seen it in a while.
[KayLhota]
that happens
[Brad
from Georgia] BTW, how old is Mrs. Hall supposed to be in the show?
Jack's note makes it sound as if he were a mere child when he first saw her on
the stage!
[KayLhota]
I don't think that they give exact ages.
[Brad
from Georgia] Well...the character is named for Queen Victoria....
[Steve
.shimp.] I don't know Brad - I didn't get that impression ...
[KayLhota]
They come off as approaching middle age rather than passing through it
[Laura
Leff] Funny...and I thought they named the Hall after Albert.
[Brad
from Georgia] How many holes would it take to fill up Toddhunter
Hall?
[KayLhota]
too much!
[Laura
Leff] Maybe they named the Hall after Ivy.
[Steve
.shimp.] I liked the gag at the beginning where Ronnie seemed to not
be able to hear the words "Jack Benny"
[Brad
from Georgia] Ivy, USA.
[Laura
Leff] I didn't have time to look up the rest of the cast...anyone
else interesting in supporting roles?
[Laura
Leff] Besides Mr. Magoo?
[Brad
from Georgia] And he was right..there was an early movie star named
John Bunny!
[KayLhota]
I don't think so, Laura
[Laura
Leff] Oh definitely...very broad-faced, kind of sea captain looking
guy.
[Brad
from Georgia] Herbert Butterfield was Mr. Wellman.
[Mike
Amo] I forgot the names he used, but they were pretty good
[Laura
Leff] Not sure if anyone answered this...compare and contrast Jack on
the Colmans' show vs. the Colmans on Jack's show.
[Brad from Georgia] On TV, anyway. I hit return too soon!
[Brad
from Georgia] You could tell that Jack's writers did not work on his
lines, I thought.
[Steve
.shimp.] I think almost any Jack guest appearance on anothers' show
seems a touch off...
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[Brad
from Georgia] The gags were Jack-centered but somehow
"softer" than on Benny's show.
[Laura
Leff] WB Frank!
[KayLhota]
You made it at last
[Steve
.shimp.] And, I agree with Brad, it is the lack of subtlety in the
writing, or the writers missing the beat a bit.
[Laura
Leff] Which also points out that even when you "know" a
character, it's hard to perfectly craft lines that fit in their mouth.
[Brad
from Georgia] Still, it was nice that at the end of the show Jack's
real-life generosity peeked through the usual cheap jokes.
[KayLhota]
different writers trying to do Jack Benny material, perhaps?
[Mike
Amo] wb Frank
[Steve
.shimp.] I have trouble finding a comparable moment from the Benny
show with that sweet "note" ending though.
[Steve
.shimp.] Maybe Jack & Roch on New Years, but that's about it.
[Steve
.shimp.] I kind of liked it.
[Laura
Leff] And a lot of shows depend heavily on all the stereotypical
traits. Cheap joke, toupee joke, cheap joke, violin joke, etc.
[Brad
from Georgia] Maybe the New Year's....aw, Steve beat me.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Colman's toast to the world.
[KayLhota]
it's a lot like the warmth of "The Halls of Ivy"
[Steve
.shimp.] Interesting LL! and apt.
[Laura
Leff] And maybe the winner of the "I Can't Stand Jack
Benny" contest.
[Steve
.shimp.] The note is a little more low key, for lack of a better
term.
[Steve
.shimp.] Ah, the Can't Stand contest. Great example.
[Brad
from Georgia] And Jack's meditation at the end of 1945...hoping for a
better world.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Ah, my favorite.
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[Steve
.shimp.] I think that was something grander than this little
"character" bit though.
[KayLhota]
hi Ed
[Brad
from Georgia] Hi, ed!
[Laura
Leff] Hi Ed!
[Brad
from Georgia] Yes, agreed, Steve.
[Steve
.shimp.] Not that it isn't excellent.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Hi Ed.
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hello from my slow computer....
[KayLhota]
you and Frank, ed.
[Steve
.shimp.] Benny's show kind of followed the supposed
"Seinfeld" rule - no hugging, no learning.
[Laura
Leff] That's OK...we seem to have had a number of technical issues
with folks tonight.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Say more about that...not sure exactly what it means.
[Steve
.shimp.] And, to be honest, I usually prefer it that way!
[Frank
J. Lhota] My laptop looks upon the Commodore 80 with envy.
[Steve
.shimp.] Seinfeld was supposed to be a reaction against the
Cosby-influenced sitcoms where there was a lot of love and messages.
[Brad
from Georgia] I remember Jack's show just post V-E day (think it was
a Mother's Day episode, too) in which he offered the hope that sons and mothers
would be reunited next year...and pointed out that some sons would never come
back. Very low-key and touching, I thought
[Steve
.shimp.] So their motto was "no hugging, no learning".
[KayLhota]
yes, Brad
[Laura
Leff] Steve - OK, I get it. Thanks!
[Steve
.shimp.] I think Jack's show had that philosophy a long time
beforehand though.
[Laura
Leff] I'm remembering an interesting vignette where Jack and Mary are
looking through a store window at wedding rings
[Brad
from Georgia] Yeh, as you know I'm a sucker for the New Year's show!
[John
Petty] but you sure had to know a fair amt of cultural references to
get Seinfeld
[Laura
Leff] and Mary's kind of coyly asking about buying one
[Laura
Leff] and Jack says something like, "Oh you know I'd never wear
it."
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, there are flashes of sentiment here and there.
[Steve
.shimp.] Interestingly, often with Mary - the dream where they are
married as well.
[Laura
Leff] If Jack and Mary got married on Jack's show, would they have
become George and Gracie?
[Brad
from Georgia] It's amazing how widely the "rose a day"
story spread a few years ago as an Internet meme.
[Steve
.shimp.] LL - No, I can't really see that.
[KayLhota]
I think that they could have, Laura.
[Steve
.shimp.] Kay
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Yeah...someone even wrote a song about it.
[Brad
from Georgia] Another glimpse of sentimental Jack.
[Steve
.shimp.] Mary wouldn't have wanted to, for sure.
[Laura
Leff] Just since we're on the subject...what are other examples of
"sentimental Jack"?
[KayLhota]
why, Steve?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Professional jealousy
[Frank
J. Lhota] I think it was Norman Lear who invented the "special
episode"
[Steve
.shimp.] Mary in real life wouldn't have wanted that big/demanding a
role.
[KayLhota]
hmmm...
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Good point
[Brad
from Georgia] "St. Joe. Gee, they loved me in St. Joe."
Thanks for the newsletter, Laura! I know getting this one out had to be a
strain, what with your project and all!
[Steve
.shimp.] Gracie was run ragged on her show.
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, yeah, great TIMES issue!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Much appreciated. I just sat down and banged it out in a
weekend, and fortunately had plenty of material for it!
[KayLhota]
and Gracie was show business, while Mary was not as comfortable at it
[Steve
.shimp.] Speaking of Mary, I liked the story about her "passing
the Deutsche"...
[KayLhota]
oh, that reminds me-- Frank, we need to renew
[KayLhota]
our subscription
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Oh yeah, isn't that a pip?
[ed]
laura is there a way to find out how many episodes of the JB show was mickey
carrol in?
[Steve
.shimp.] I just picture Mary with some Hendrix playing in the
background.
[ed]
was*
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Mickey Carrol?
[ed]
one of the munchkins from the wizard of oz who died the other day
[KayLhota]
I read about that. He was 89 years old.
[ed]
they say he was in some JB shows along with george and gracie
[ed]
among others
[John
Petty] interesting side note. heard Advetures by Morse for the first
time this weekend. the lead is played by Elliott Lewis who played Frank remley
on Jack's and the Phil and Alice Show
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Is this radio or TV?
[ed]
radio according to the chicago tribune and AP
[KayLhota]
I'll have to give that show a listen. I'm getting to like Elliot Lewis.
[Laura
Leff] John - Elliott Lewis was a very talented actor.
[Brad
from Georgia] Hmmm....I wonder if Mickey played Charlie McCarthy in
the TV show?
[John
Petty] completely diff than anything like he played on Jack's show, a
real adventure cliffhanger
[KayLhota]
Yes, very talented.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Well, if he's credited in the script (hard copies), I'd
have him in 39 Forever.
[Steve
.shimp.] Just checked 39 Forever on Mickey Carrol, no refs in either
volume.
[Steve
.shimp.] Maybe a TV show?
[Laura
Leff] Thanks, Steve!
[ed]
I wonder if he was uncredited in the shows
[Steve
.shimp.] Thanks for WRITING them!
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Maxwell has entered this room.
[Laura
Leff] Volume 3 is probably at least a couple years off,
unfortunately...
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hi max
[Brad
from Georgia] Maxwell!
[KayLhota]
hi maxwell
[Steve
.shimp.] Hiya Maxwell
[Mike
Amo] Hi Maxwell
[Laura
Leff] Hi Maxwell! Good to see you again!
[Maxwell]
Hey there, everybody!
[Laura
Leff] Oh and Steve...thanks for inspiring that bit about the Clayton
house in the newsletter!
[Steve .shimp.] We will wait happily, patiently, for vol. 3 Laura
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, yeah, thanks for mentioning it in the letter. That
"Where's Jack" thread has become
[Steve
.shimp.] quite fun.
[Laura
Leff] Your patience is greatly appreciated! Would love to take a 2-3
month sabbatical from work and bang out the volume, but you know how it is...gotta
pay the bills.
[Brad
from Georgia] Wish I'd had more time to participate!
Maxwell
likes the "Where's Jack" thread.
[Laura
Leff] I've got to catch up on that thread one of these days.
[ed]
he also did some phillip morris ads i don't know if they had him playing johnny
when he might have been doing other shows
[Steve
.shimp.] Maxwell's good at it!
[Maxwell]
When I get good hints I am!
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Hmmm...I remember hearing the name of Johnny a time or
two...
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Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[KayLhota]
oops, there goes Frank
[Brad
from Georgia] Now that the semester's over...I'm a month behind
schedule on my next novel. Worked on it some today. I sympathize, LL!
[Maxwell]
We need a "Where's Frank" thread.
[Laura
Leff] In fact, I think the character was inspired by someone from my
home town. There's an exhibit on him at the local public museum.
[KayLhota]
geesh.
[Steve
.shimp.] Frank is ephemeral.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Yes, you of all people, know how it is to
"birth" a book!
[KayLhota]
this is a different laptop, so I don't know what the problem is
[Steve
.shimp.] Jello is not ethereal, it's a dethert.
[Laura
Leff] The Evitable Frank Lhota
[Steve
.shimp.] LOL!
[Brad
from Georgia] Oog, Steve!
[Maxwell]
That'th right. Ethereal is for breakfatht.
[Mike
Amo] I didn't realize how many different things Mickey had done over
the years
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, maybe Mickey played Charlie McCarthy in that Creepy TV
episode.
[Laura
Leff] I don't remember ever seeing a munchkin-sided person on Jack's
TV show...does anyone?
[Steve
.shimp.] I am trying to think of ones with little people.
[KayLhota]
I thought that was billy Barty
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Oh, good point!
[Steve
.shimp.] There was also Mortimer Snerd in there too.
[Laura
Leff] Tell you what...I may be able to conjure the credits of that
one quickly. Keep talking...I'll be Bach.
[Steve
.shimp.] That one'll give you nightmares.
[ed]
billy barty was a fine actor
[Laura
Leff] Just like our Governator.
[KayLhota]
but not at the same time?
[ed]
our ex governator also
[Steve
.shimp.] I thought you saw them both, but can't recall.
[KayLhota]
I haven't seen it in years.
[Steve
.shimp.] I have it on a disc somewhere.
[KayLhota]
and, I thought it was creepy too
[Steve
.shimp.] But sounds like Laura's on the case.
[Steve
.shimp.] It's creepy in a funny, surreal way.
[KayLhota]
yeah
[Steve
.shimp.] I like it. And, it's funny that Frances is in it more than
Edgar.
[Maxwell]
Somebody get Laura off the case! It's too wobbly!
[Maxwell]
Hmmm...this sounds like a show I've never seen, and I thought that was
impossible.
[Laura
Leff] I've got a Billy Curtis and a Karl Swenson in that episode...no
Mickey Carrol.
[KayLhota]
okay
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh, well, it was worth a shot.
[KayLhota]
Billy Curtis was also a munchkin
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bye john
[Laura
Leff] Maybe they got confused...
[Laura
Leff] Oh, mind if I drop a name?
[KayLhota]
sure
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[Brad
from Georgia] Bombs away!
[KayLhota]
oops
[Maxwell]
They're dropping like flies!
[KayLhota]
yeah
[Steve
.shimp.] Sorry, I must be on the same connection as Frank!
[KayLhota]
you can't be, because he is still stuck
[Laura
Leff] I got into my E-mail today and found that I had one from
Leonard Maltin, giving me some additional feedback on the cufflinks story in the
most recent Times. Pretty cool. I'll put it in the next issue.
Maxwell
waits for the other name to drop.
[KayLhota]
awesome
[Maxwell]
Cool!
[Steve
.shimp.] Did I miss any resolution on Mickey as Charlie McCarthy?
[KayLhota]
Leonard Maltin seems to be a nice guy
[Laura
Leff] A little ashamed that he should have gotten the Times and
already read it, and I haven't even opened his that I just got (we trade).
[Brad
from Georgia] Tell Leonard I like his intros on the cartoon DVDs!
[KayLhota]
Billy Curtis and Karl Swenson were Charley and Mortimer
[Laura
Leff] Steve - I'm not seeing him in the credits.
[Steve
.shimp.] Ah, OK.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - I'll pass that along.
User
Frank J. Lhota has entered this room.
[KayLhota]
yay Frank
[Laura
Leff] WBB Frank
[Maxwell]
And now, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Frank!
[Laura
Leff] Looks like we never got "other Frank" back.
[Brad
from Georgia] A colleague at school and I are talking about
collaborating on a history of animation textbook.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Jello again.
[ed]
hello frank
[KayLhota]
oh Brad?
[Mike
Amo] I worked on a short project with him years ago in my job,
Kay...I thought the same, but he has an ego
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Whoa...that would be quite a job.
[Brad
from Georgia] Yep. I sat in on his history of animation class last
fall, and we both bemoaned the fact that there's not a good, up to date text.
Maltin's is about the best one, but it's dated now.
[Maxwell]
Yeah, Maltin's has to be at least 20-25 years old.
[KayLhota]
1980
[Brad
from Georgia] LL-Nah, he's the expert. I'd help with the research and
would do the final edit/rewrite on it. And I came up with the title.
[Laura
Leff] The San Francisco Silent Film Festival had a fantastic section
on very early Disney animation a few years ago. Including the little girl (now
much older) who was the original animation-live action girl.
[Mike
Amo] I have books of his from about 1980, always like his TV movie
review book too
[Brad
from Georgia] Oh, Alice! There were three Alices at least, you know.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Assuming she's still alive, you'd better grab her if you
want an interview!
[Maxwell]
Yeah, she'd have to be about 90 now.
[Laura
Leff] She was still pretty sharp at the festival, but you know...
[Brad
from Georgia] Was it Virginia Davis, by any chance?
[Steve
.shimp.] sort-of related, I heard the Lux Radio Alice in Wonderland
adaptation of the 1951 Disney film recently.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Yes, I believe it was.
[KayLhota]
not a bad LUX show, was it?
[Steve
.shimp.] Interesting to hear an animated film translated to radio for
some reason.
[Steve
.shimp.] It had most of the movie voice cast.
[Laura
Leff] Wasn't someone in the Benny family the voice of something in
the Disney version?
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, Joe Kearns was the doorknob.
[KayLhota]
Joe Kearns
[Maxwell]
Wasn't Verna Felton one of the voices?
[Steve
.shimp.] Vera Felton was the Queen of Hearts
[Brad
from Georgia] The others that I know were Dawn O'Day and Margie Gay.
Margie was the youngest.
[KayLhota]
yes
[KayLhota]
Verna Felton did other Disney voices too
[Laura
Leff] I thought someone was the Cheshire Cat. Or you know...I think
maybe I'm confusing it with something I read about Stephen Fry playing that more
recently.
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, Sleeping Beauty, Jungle Book off the top of my head.
[Steve
.shimp.] Sterling Holloway was the Cheshire Cat
[KayLhota]
she's the fairy godmother in Cinderella, and a mean elephant in dumbo
[Brad
from Georgia] Cheshire Cat was...aw, Shimp did it again!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Then it was definitely Virginia Davis. The other names
don't sound familiar.
[Maxwell]
You gotta be fast to beat shimp.
[Laura
Leff] Ah Sterling Holloway...no Benny connection, but a great
entertainer.
[KayLhota] Sterling Holloway was the Cheshire
[Maxwell]
Winnie the Cat.
[Steve
.shimp.] Winnie the Pooh and Jack - commonalities? Discuss.
[Laura
Leff] Steve -
[ed]
winnie the pooh
[Steve
.shimp.] Jack = Money, Pooh = Hunny
[Laura
Leff] Well, Jack lived in the Hundred Acre Wood on Roxbury Drive...
[Brad
from Georgia] Sterling Holloway was born in Cedartown, GA. I've met
some of his family, but alas, never met him. What a charming voice he had.
[Laura
Leff] Piglet, Rochester...hmmmm
[Maxwell]
He wasn't a bad dancer either.
[Steve
.shimp.] Owl = Don?
[Laura
Leff] Eyore, Phil....hmmmm...
[Steve
.shimp.] Tigger = Dennis?
[ed]
kanga-mary?
[ed]
or roo?
[Steve
.shimp.] The Beverly Hills Roos
[Frank
J. Lhota] Pooh Bear kept his honey in a secret vault...
[Laura
Leff] The Tao of Jack Benny
[Laura
Leff] Guarded by....a polar bear?
[Brad
from Georgia] No, my daughter played Roo. At least at the Center for
Puppetry Arts, she did!
[Brad
from Georgia] LL--maybe by a bipolar bear? Fierce every other day?
[Laura
Leff] Hundred Acre Wood vs. Thousand Oaks
[Steve
.shimp.] Jack's vault was full of Heffalumps and Woozles
[ed]
as long as the 100 acre woods has not burned in california yet
[Laura
Leff] Manic depressive bear...goes on hunny benders.
[Frank
J. Lhota] "Youn money or your life!" -- "Oh,
bother!"
[Steve
.shimp.] Frank
[Mike
Amo]
[ed]
good one frank
[Steve
.shimp.] And, I think that tops out the Pooh discussion!
[Laura
Leff] I certainly can't top it.
[Laura
Leff] I love the recasting discussions...always so fun.
[Brad
from Georgia] FINALLY got my wall o' fame photos up in my office at
school: lobby card for TO BE OR NOT TO BE, framed Hirschfeld caricature of Jack
+ my Jack Benny autograph, framed postcard of Jack's house, framed signed
program from "Laughter in Bloom."
[Maxwell]
Senator Ford says he can't top it either.
[Steve
.shimp.] Nice set, sounds like, Brad
[Laura
Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on folks' minds?
[Maxwell]
Dare I bring up the Eddie Carroll discussion from the message board?
[Brad
from Georgia] And the Jimmy Stewart 8 x 10, rather charmingly
autographed "To Harvey--Best Wishes--Jimmy Stewart."
[Steve
.shimp.] Sure Max
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - I think I'm out of the loop...go for it.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Oh cute
[Mike
Amo] Just curiou show long Halls of Ivy was around...I'd barely heard
of it before
[Mike
Amo] +s
[Maxwell]
The question seems to be, would Jack have told the saltpeter in the road joke?
[Brad
from Georgia] Yep. Harvey apparently worked in some capacity on
"Winchester '73" according to the Certificate.
[KayLhota]
1950 to 52 on radio and another 3 on TV
[KayLhota]
2 on TV
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - A-ha.....
[Laura
Leff] What's the consensus from the Forum?
[KayLhota]
the TV series recycled a lot of the radio scripts
[Mike
Amo] wow, I guess it never did reruns...I saw everything on TV as a
kid...Peoples Choice was apparently an addiction at 2
[Laura
Leff] And would he have told the Mary exercise joke...
[Maxwell]
I remember watching reruns as a kid.
[Steve
.shimp.] Well, the forum discussion was prompted by a new poster who
was offended and walked out on Eddie's show.
[Maxwell]
That was the more memorable one LL.
[Brad
from Georgia] I remember Cleo, the talking basset hound!\
[Laura
Leff] Wow!
[Maxwell]
At least to me.
[KayLhota]
it did rerun a little I think up to the mid 1960's
[Laura
Leff] I've got to catch up on the Forum.
[Mike
Amo] My folks bought me a stuffed Cleo, I'm told
[Maxwell]
I remember seeing reruns Saturday afternoons in the early '60s.
[Mike
Amo] What the heck did he walk out on?
[KayLhota]
I had to do a little research on "Halls of Ivy" for the Radio
Researchers
[Brad
from Georgia] I think Jack's Las Vegas shows were probably about as
raunchy as Eddie's!
[Steve
.shimp.] I pointed out that Jack had used some more off color stuff
even on TV in the '70s, on chat shows.
[Maxwell]
Probably the exercise joke. I think that was about the fourth one.
[Laura
Leff] And that's pretty early in the show!
[Mike
Amo] I remember he had a few more than G-rated lines in the show I
saw
[Laura
Leff] And would Jack have done the chimp impersonation in the Chi-Chi
joke right at the start.
[Brad
from Georgia] The Rochester golf joke....
[Laura
Leff] See, Jack could have told the Rochester golf joke.
[Laura
Leff] In Vegas.
[Mike
Amo] That Las Vegas show was great, LL
[Laura
Leff] There's nothing that dirty in there.
[Maxwell]
Well, I guess this lady and her husband were offended.
[Brad
from Georgia] My wife and I were never offended...and we've seen
Eddie's show about four times now.
[Brad
from Georgia] And we're prudes.
[Brad
from Georgia] Or prunes. I can never get that right.
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[Laura
Leff] When I think of Jack working blue in Vegas, I think of him
telling the joke about him being born so long ago in Waukegan that the mohel was
an Indian.
[Maxwell]
I think prunes, Brad.
[Laura
Leff] He used a tomahawk.
[Brad
from Georgia] No, wait, we're the California Raisins. I heard that
through the grapevine.
[ed]
there goes frank again
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, we went through the tomahawk joke on the forum. He
told that on Dick Cavett!
[Maxwell]
Yeah, Steve (I think) linked to that joke on YouTube.
[KayLhota]
yeah, I turned towards my husband just now and said, "What happened to
you?" "Frozen again"
[Brad
from Georgia] Gosh, there's a beautiful moon over Apalachicola Bay.
[Laura
Leff] OK, then I'm just echoing. I'll have to read the thread.
[Steve
.shimp.] So, it was OK for TV broadcast standards in 1973.
[KayLhota]
it must be a gorgeous waning moon
[Maxwell]
She seemed upset both at Eddie and at Chuck Schaden.
[KayLhota]
it was full on Friday night
User
Frank J. Lhota has entered this room.
[KayLhota]
hi again Frank
[Laura
Leff] It's just funny...because people remember Jack in the way that
they can still experience his work. Radio, TV shows.
[ed]
who is mad at chuck?
[Brad
from Georgia] Just peekin' over the water right now. Trail of golden
light leading to it.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Oh my...this happened at the Chuck Schaden show?
[Maxwell]
The lady in the thread.
[Maxwell]
Yeah.
[Steve
.shimp.] Everyone has their own right to be honked off at whatever,
but I don't think Eddie's show is considered obscene in 2009.
[Brad
from Georgia] I think women should be obscene and not heard.
[Steve
.shimp.] Ouch!
[Laura
Leff] It's definitely not obscene by 2009 standards. Not even close.
[Brad
from Georgia] Stole that from Groucho.
[ed]
GOOD!!!
[KayLhota]
boy, when Ed said "Chuck" the first thing that I thought of was the
current NBC TV series "Chuck"
[KayLhota]
totally different
[Steve
.shimp.] And, Max, you go around like a sailor with Tourette's!
[Steve
.shimp.] Kidding.
[Laura
Leff] So this was at the Chuck Schaden retirement show?
[Maxwell]
Right.
[Maxwell]
Not the retirement...the 39th anniversary.
[Brad
from Georgia] I once stayed in a Tourette's camp...didn't get a wink
of sleep.
[Laura
Leff] You know...I've got to share something then.
[Maxwell]
The retirement show is at the end of next month.
[ed]
he started collecting reel to reels in '64
[Steve
.shimp.] Do tell, LL
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Is Eddie playing there again? I thought they were the
same thing.
[Maxwell]
No, he's doing a live broadcast with an audience. (He = Chuck)
[Maxwell]
That'll be his final broadcast.
[KayLhota]
well, no opinion. I don't know Chuck Schaden
[Laura
Leff] So Eddie, Carolyn and I developed a bit of a joke between us.
[ed]
chuck is a very nice man i have met him twice
[Laura
Leff] Because it seems that every time I see his show (although
nothing happened when I saw him in Fullerton), something strange or bad happens.
[Laura
Leff] Once, he fell off a stage.
[ed]
and a very good radio man
[Brad
from Georgia] He told Barbara and me about that! Sounded as if he
recovered nicely, though.
[Laura
Leff] Most recently, the audience was apparently of the ilk of the
person on the Forum and a bunch of people left at intermission.
[Maxwell]
A lot left at intermission last Sunday, but that was to feed the parking meters.
[Laura
Leff] And when they were trying to get me to come to Chicago for that
presentation, I said that I was concerned that if I did, I was going to jinx him
again!
[Maxwell]
They came back.
[Laura
Leff] Looks like he didn't need me...something odd happened anyway!
[Steve
.shimp.] Man, I can't believe Eddie is coming right to town and I may
miss him in August.
[Steve
.shimp.] I still haven't seen the show.
[Steve
.shimp.] And he's doing it in the perfect little theater here.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Any chance he's coming to Florida?
[Maxwell]
Well, it was just one person walking out. It seems that the wife (who is the
poster here) stayed.
[Steve
.shimp.] Probably can find an audience there!
[Laura
Leff] She stayed and she's still ticked off?
[Laura
Leff] And what did he do? Just go sit in the car?
[Steve
.shimp.] I got the impression they both left.
[Brad
from Georgia] We went all the way from GA to New Jersey to see the
show the first time. The kid at the box office had to call his manager when I
called to order tickets!
[Maxwell]
She didn't say anything about walking out. All she said was that her husband
walked out.
[Brad
from Georgia] Didn't trust a Confederate credit card, I guess.
[Laura
Leff] Were you there? Did you see it? Did they make a scene or
something?
[Steve
.shimp.] Ah, I'll have to reread the post.
[Laura
Leff] Suddenly this is hot gossip...
[Maxwell]
I didn't even know anuyone had walked out until she posted here.
[Steve
.shimp.] Well, Brad, if I'm still in town and you want to come to
Williamsburg, you have an invite!
[Laura
Leff] OK, so no big Don Rickles-type scene or anything...
[Brad
from Georgia] What's the date, Steve?
[Maxwell]
No, nothing like that.
[Steve
.shimp.] August 8-9, I think.
[Laura
Leff] (If anyone knows what I'm talking about...Rickles walks out on
Jack's Birthday Party, I think)
[Brad
from Georgia] Ah, first week of school. SorryQ
[Brad
from Georgia] Sorry!]
[Laura
Leff] That's IQ to you.
[Brad
from Georgia] I'm typing in the dark, watching the moon.
[Steve
.shimp.] Oh, well! Like I say, I may be moved out by then.
Maxwell
has a sorry IQ.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Don't worry...we won't tell your wife.
[KayLhota]
well, you must have a gorgeous moon to look at
[Steve
.shimp.] By the light, of the silvery moon ... I want to spoon ...
[Laura
Leff] But ANYHOW...
[Maxwell]
To my honey I'll croon loves tune.
[Laura
Leff] So what's the upshot of the discussion?
[KayLhota]
we won't be able to see it until around 11:00 pm. The houses on the east side
blocks our vision
[Laura
Leff] Or debate?
[KayLhota]
no debate
[Laura
Leff] And the sun is still up here.
[Brad
from Georgia] My late friend Tom Deitz was a member of the Society
for Creative Anachronism. He introduced the Order of the Displayed Moon to the
Barony of Bryn Madoc...you got it by mixed-gender skinny dipping.
[Maxwell]
She thinks Chuck should have warned people about the blue humor. I said I wasn't
offended.
[Steve
.shimp.] I think we just kind of came back to Jack having a more
off-color side, and it was real, not Eddie's invention.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - I have a friend who's in SCA...I'll have to ask her
about that.
[KayLhota]
well, this has nothing to do with Jack Benny, but my favorite TV show
"Chuck" is in danger of cancelation by NBC
[Laura
Leff] Steve - OK, that's a pretty good answer.
(some loss)
[KayLhota]
night brad
[Steve
.shimp.] Bye Brad!
[Maxwell]
So long Brad!
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Brad from Georgia has logged out.
[Laura
Leff] Oops...too late! Bye Brad...
[Mike
Amo] oops
[Mike
Amo] me too
[Frank
J. Lhota] Another person who is not Twiggy is Kristie Alley.
[Laura
Leff] I was switching discs for orders.
[KayLhota]
nope
[ed]
not since the front page of people mag
[Laura
Leff] Maybe Jayne Mansfield can supply them.
[Laura
Leff] But anyhow...
[Laura
Leff] What else Benny-wise?
[KayLhota]
I can't think of anything.
[Steve
.shimp.] Hmm. I am drawing a Benny blank!
[Steve
.shimp.] And it ain't Mel!
[Laura
Leff] After losing weight, I'm closer to Twiggy than I used to
be...but still a long ways off.
[Laura
Leff] I like my curves and want to keep them.
[Mike
Amo] Unrelated, but I'm retiring in 3 weeks
[KayLhota]
it's an ongoing fight, Laura
[Steve
.shimp.] Congratulations Mike.
Maxwell
is closer to Ollie than Stan in the weight category.
[ed]
from what mike?
[Laura
Leff] Mazel tov, Mike!
[Steve
.shimp.] And Laura, actually!
[Mike
Amo] Maybe I can make it related...and I'm only 39!
[Mike
Amo] ty LL
[Frank
J. Lhota] If Jack Benny was sponsored by Subway, would Don lose
weight?
[Mike
Amo] I'll finally have time to read back issues and your books all
the way through
[KayLhota]
I knocked back my weight a bit, but it's hard to maintain, and easy to gain
[KayLhota]
not if Don ate the $5 footlongs
[Mike
Amo] Don would keep Subway cool by blocking out the sun
[Steve
.shimp.] Yeah, I hear the ever-slowing metabolism.
[Laura
Leff] Mike - Glad they're an inspiration to your retirement!
[ed]
my papoose is still in my stomach
[Maxwell]
My metabolism stopped when I hit 25.
[Mike
Amo] LL, everything is an inspiration to my retirement
[ed]
i weigh more than my twin brother
[Laura
Leff] Well, having just turned 40, I had to reinvent myself. I
decided to reinvent myself as an athelete.
[KayLhota]
that's a tough thing to do.
[Steve
.shimp.] Laura, as president of the IJBFC you are not ALLOWED to turn
40.
[Maxwell]
That's what I'll do when I turn 60!
[Laura
Leff] I'm running the Bay to Breakers race a week from today.
[ed]
i would re-invent myself too but the patent randry
[KayLhota]
I've never been an athlete. Thin once, but never athletic
[Steve
.shimp.] Wow, cool Laura!
[Mike
Amo] 15th anniversary of 39 here
[Steve
.shimp.] I've been slacking on the running and trying to get back up
to speed.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Oh yes I am...I hid from people for a whole year
because I didn't want to hear corny comments. And I did it!
Maxwell
has turned 39 21 times.
[KayLhota]
good for you, Laura
[ed]
my 10th anniversary of 39 is next sunday
[Laura
Leff] I may stop at 40.
[Steve
.shimp.] I've got a few -very few- years till my first 39.
[Laura
Leff] It's not a funny number, but hey, I'm not a comedian.
[Mike
Amo] I remember Jack being athletic from the episode with Carol
Burnett as Tarzan and Jane
[KayLhota]
I was 39 back in 1996
[Laura
Leff] Mike - I think he had some steroid help for that.
[Maxwell]
My first 39 was 1989.
[Mike
Amo]
[ed]
39 is a number that just stood out
[Laura
Leff] Jack Benny suspended for 50 episodes for steroids.
[KayLhota]
good one Laura
[Mike
Amo] Orson Wells to stand in
[Steve
.shimp.] Can you imagine Jack with 'roid rage?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Knew the Red Sox fans would get that...
[KayLhota]
yeah, I sure did
[Maxwell]
Manny Benny
[Laura
Leff] Jack tries to drive the Maxwell insanely down Wilshire
Boulevard, but can't get it over 20MPH
[KayLhota]
I like that
[Steve
.shimp.] LOL. With a mustache and breasts.
[ed]
sox' fans are loving manny now-not
[Mike
Amo] lol!
[Maxwell]
That would be Red Sox fans.
[Laura
Leff] Jack or Mary? You be the judge.
[ed]
yes
[Maxwell]
White Sox fans couldn't care less. (White Sox fan here.)
[KayLhota]
oh, don't hold it against me for being from Boston
[ed]
yes boston fans
[Laura
Leff] There's got to be a joke here somewhere about Babe taking
steroids...
[KayLhota]
Well, I was born in Chicago, so the White Sox and the Cubs are great too
[Maxwell]
Besides, the Boston team is the Sawx.
[Maxwell]
The Chicago team is the Sahx.
[Steve
.shimp.] Well, Babe in real life fighting off four cops was pretty
impressive!
[KayLhota]
true
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Yeah, how about that! New one on me.
[ed]
i am cards fan and they have albert nuff said
[Laura
Leff] Her and her weed-smoking sister.
[Steve
.shimp.] She must've been eating testosteroni for dinner.
[Maxwell]
Kay, what are these Cubs of which you speak?
[Frank
J. Lhota] I'm packing it in early tonight. See you next month.
User
Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[KayLhota]
did something happen to the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field that I don't know
about?
[Steve
.shimp.] Night Frank!
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - I haven't the slightest. Not since about 1988.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Bye to Frank by proxy!
[ed]
WF is still up last I heard
[Maxwell]
Kay, Oh, you mean that minor league team in the ball park that's falling apart?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Are we talking about the goat?
[KayLhota]
I wouldn't talk about the goat, and I am sorry to hear that they are falling
apart
[Maxwell]
Only the ball park is crumbling.
[KayLhota]
okay
[Laura
Leff] So was Comiskey, to my understanding.
[Maxwell]
The Sox play in a state of the art facility.
[Laura
Leff] They do now.
[KayLhota]
now, if NBC's "Chuck" will get renewed for the fall, I'll really be a
happy lady
[Maxwell]
And have for nearly 20 years.
[Laura
Leff] So...sounds like we're ready to wrap up for the month...
[Laura
Leff] Any requests for June?
[ed]
only if ABC picks it up
[Mike
Amo] NBC is sitting on that, Earl, and two other shows for now
[Laura
Leff] And I'm going to have to push it off a week in June because
I'll be out of town the first weekend.
[Steve
.shimp.] I'm out of requests, luck of the draw is good for me!
[KayLhota]
NBC is holding so that no other network can pick it
[Laura
Leff] Oh and thanks to everyone for your flexibility on the
reschedule this month.
[Steve
.shimp.] Worked out fine.
[KayLhota]
luck of the draw is fine
[Maxwell]
It worked better for me. I never would have made it last week after Eddie's
show.
[Mike
Amo] Will be more flexible and available in the future
[Laura
Leff] OK...I'll surprise you.
[Laura
Leff] Thanks for stopping tonight! Always a pleasure!
[Maxwell]
Just a suggestion...It is summer, so maybe a guest spot again.
[Steve
.shimp.] Oooh, Goody! A Surprise (/Joe Besser)
[Mike
Amo] Maybe a Buck Benny show, but I can wait...
[Laura
Leff] Oh yes...I always do that in the summers.
[KayLhota]
ooh, a Buck Benny show!
[Laura
Leff] I'll find you something interesting.
[Maxwell]
Sounds good.
[KayLhota]
I know you will
[Steve
.shimp.] We'll look forward to it. Everyone have a great night and
rest of the month!
[Laura
Leff] Have fun folks...see you next month!
[KayLhota]
thanks Steve
[Steve
.shimp.] Night all.
[Maxwell]
So long everybody!
[Mike
Amo] Take care LL
[KayLhota]
night
[ed]
bye and see you all
[Mike
Amo] Good night folks!
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Steve .shimp. has logged out.
[ed]
nite