IJBFC Chat - October 5, 2008
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[KayLhota]
Hi Laura
[Laura
Leff] Hi folks!
[steve
+shimp+] Hi Laura
[Laura
Leff] I guess everyone thought I'd still be on break tonight...
[KayLhota]
On break?
[Frank
J. Lhota] Hi Laura, how are things?
[steve
+shimp+] No, we had to downsize the chat because of the economy.
[KayLhota]
Okay, Steve! Ouch!
[Laura
Leff] Yeah, insert Jack Benny joke about the economy here
[steve
+shimp+] I am avidly listening for tips to save money from Jack.
[KayLhota]
My brother works for AIG, and he is going to be looking for work.
[steve
+shimp+] I just came back from a "sorry you got fired"
party for my boss.
[KayLhota]
oh my
[Laura
Leff] At least we got really GOOD people here in the room... we keep
the best...
[KayLhota]
thank you, Laura!
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Maybe time to try some of those yummy and economical
Jell-O recipes
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[steve
+shimp+] I am already cooking the carrots and celery ...
[Laura
Leff] Hi Ed
[KayLhota]
Strawberry Jello snow?
[ed]
hi again
[steve
+shimp+] Hi ed
[KayLhota]
Hi Ed
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Just make sure it's not faux lemon Jell-O snow
[ed]
hi folks
[Laura
Leff] I am a few minutes late because I was preparing hand-made
knishes for my Jewish group's break fast on Thursday night
[KayLhota]
I prefer the real thing to any other gelatine dessert
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[Frank
J. Lhota] And remember, Grape Nuts and Grape Nuts Flakes are much
better for your health than Lucky Strikes!
[steve
+shimp+] I had a friend in fourth grade who would always eat the
yellow snow because someone told him, "people pour honey on it".
[KayLhota]
Hi Brad
[Laura
Leff] Hi Brad!
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Ick!
[Brad]
This is a very special chat...
[KayLhota]
Good Frank
[steve
+shimp+] Hi Brad
[ed]
hi brad
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Ain't it just?
[Brad]
Yes - the last one while I'm still 39.
[Laura
Leff] We're discussing money-saving tips from Jack to deal with the
economy
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Mazel tov!
[KayLhota]
oh my. I was 39 so long ago Brad
[steve
+shimp+] Tonight, on a "very special Jack Benny Show",
Rochester learns about mesothelioma
[Brad]
'Course I'm not having any more birthdays...
[Laura
Leff] So I've got another confession to make
[Laura
Leff] I was hoping to finish the knishes sooner and then listen to
the show
[Laura
Leff] but I've certainly heard it, so I'm going to wing it
[KayLhota]
I don't think of myself as being old, but I used to watch Jack Benny on CBS and
NBC when he was on every week
[steve
+shimp+] We don't think of you as being old either Kay.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - That's not too old. He was on every week starting in, I
think, 1960 or 61.
[KayLhota]
bless you for that, Steve
[KayLhota]
yes, I don't think of myself as too old. But I am the same age as my mother was
when she got
[Laura
Leff] Not to tell your age or anything, y'know
[Brad]
I have the vaguest memory of Jack Benny, might have been an NBC special in the
early '70s.
[KayLhota]
our first video camera, so I look a lot like she did when she was this age
[steve
+shimp+] I wasn't overly wild about tonight's show.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I'm glad that ended up being "our first video
camera" and not, say,
[Laura
Leff] "cancer" or "emphysema" or something...
[KayLhota]
whew, no
[Laura
Leff] Which show was it?
[Brad]
I just finished the 1943 shows with Orson Wells - 4 shows in a row without Jack.
[Brad]
...and they're still funn.
[Brad]
funny.
[ed]
when he was sick
[KayLhota]
Those are interesting programs, aren't they Brad?
[Brad]
Actually they are stand outs. Jack didn't have to do anything but let his cast
be themselves.
[Brad]
One of them didn't even have Mary.
[KayLhota]
Having a celebrity guest host gives the program a different feel
[Laura
Leff] Oh, the Halloween show
[Laura
Leff] So (not disagreeing with you) what was there not to like about
it?
[KayLhota]
and there is a lot of comedy at allowing Orson Welles to ham it up.
[steve
+shimp+] Wait, are we talking about Welles, the '70s specials or
tonights 1938 show? Confused!
[Brad]
Didn't realize OW had such an ability to laugh at himself.
[KayLhota]
Laura, Frank and I got sidetracked, so we only heard it up to Rochester
explaining his brother September
[Laura
Leff] Yeah, I always thought that was a weak joke.
[steve
+shimp+] OK, as for tonight's episode, I think it started out kind of
"shouty" and high-energy when it needed to build.
[steve
+shimp+] Some borderline offensive stuff with Roch and
"September" too.
[Laura
Leff] I found it interesting that Ronald Colman is mentioned way
before he becomes Jack's "neighbor"
[KayLhota]
I was wondering if that was a coincidence
[KayLhota]
because he didn't come on the show until what-- 8 years later?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - It's got to be. The Colmans don't become semi-regulars
until late 1945.
[Laura
Leff] And under different writers
[KayLhota]
1945. I was close. I was thinking 1946.
[Laura
Leff] There was just something about juxtaposing Jack and someone who
comes off as very sophisticated
[Laura
Leff] It's the same joke as Herbert Marshall, I think.
[steve
+shimp+] Yes, that conceit almost always works.
[Laura
Leff] What do you think of the Phil Harris-Barbara Whitney dynamic?
[KayLhota]
I haven't heard the episodes where Herbert Marshall guest hosted in at least 4
years
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Probably same here.
[KayLhota]
We didn't hear it that far
[Laura
Leff] Well, hey, you get a song where just about everyone sings on
it...that's got to be fun...
[steve
+shimp+] That was fun.
[Laura
Leff] So let's go back to the "borderline offensive" stuff
with Rochester
[Frank
J. Lhota] At least they did not sing "September Song"
[Laura
Leff] Because fans often talk about the show and say how progressive
it was and Roch was never a "blackface" sidekick...
[KayLhota]
Oh, I forgot about that song! I remember hearing the episode now a few years
ago.
[KayLhota]
The song was so cute!
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, shiftless/lazy gags, "I'm going to tie a porkchop
to the door".
[Laura
Leff] Let's see...Roch only started on the show in 3/37, and I think
he became Rochester about 3-4 months later (would have to look it up to be sure)
[steve
+shimp+] "September" is uncredited in 39 Forever, any
guesses?
[Frank
J. Lhota] Peter Lorre?
[Laura
Leff] This is also the time when Roch would do a lot of jokes about
shooting dice and occasionally knife fighting and Central Avenue
[KayLhota]
Noooo
[steve
+shimp+] Not nasal enough...
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, various gin and razor jokes around this time too.
[Laura
Leff] Handicapped not having heard the show recently...do you think
the actor was black?
[KayLhota]
yes, I noticed that in listening to the early shows that Rochester does a lot of
stereotypical things
[steve
+shimp+] I'm always hesitant to guess on the voice alone, that can be
really dodgy, but maybe.
[Laura
Leff] There's even a joke about watermelon in an early pre-Rochester
appearance when he's playing a French waiter in a Buck Benny skit.
[KayLhota]
Oh yes.
[Laura
Leff] Just thinking that if it's a black actor, likely someone who
also did work on Amos n Andy around the same time.
[KayLhota]
He still laughs about Albequrue
[steve
+shimp+] What is this "Albuquerque"?
[Laura
Leff] There you go again...
[KayLhota]
yes
[Laura
Leff] So open question...how do you reconcile this semi-racist
Rochester in your mind with the more popular evolution?
[Laura
Leff] And how do you think it would play to the average audience
today?
[KayLhota]
I think of this as the beginnings of what developed later on
[Brad]
It wouldn't.
[Laura
Leff] Does this make the shows verboten in the same way as Mr. Moto,
etc.?
[steve
+shimp+] Oh, the core is still there, he's still giving Jack a hard
time, it's easy to see that that was an appealing character trait that got
amplified while the stereotype stuff is, rightly, a dead end.
[KayLhota]
as the characters and the comedy developed, there was less need to resort to the
stereotypical racial jokes
[KayLhota]
I agree with Steve about the core
[steve
+shimp+] I think people are more open to seeing this stuff in
historical context now.
[steve
+shimp+] Recent Mr. Moto DVD sets actually sold quite well, as has
Charlie Chan.
[Laura
Leff] So many people tell me about having Benny shows as bedtime
stories for their kids. If you were playing this for your kids, how would you
explain it?
[KayLhota]
well, as I have certainly played Jack Benny shows for my kids, I think I tried
to explain the history and the times
[steve
+shimp+] See, this is kind of where I draw the line. If a kid isn't
old enough to understand the context, I'd hold off a bit.
[KayLhota]
yes, our boys were both over 10
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, 10 seems a perfectly reasonable age.
[Laura
Leff] I'm also asking from a context of someone who might actually be
trying to market the shows to that segment.
[steve
+shimp+] That's about when I started getting into OTR as well.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Yeah, me too.
[KayLhota]
I can remember playing an audio tape in the car, and it was "The
Fiddler"
[steve
+shimp+] I think the later shows are absolutely fine for the most
part. Maybe these less enlightened ones might get a disclaimer label or
something to alert parents.
[KayLhota]
our son had never paid attention before, and that night he asked us to turn up
the sound
[Laura
Leff] Kay - On The Fiddler?
[KayLhota]
Yes, I remember that he found it funny
[Laura
Leff] Out of curiosity, what was it that hooked him?
[KayLhota]
He didn't know the show "The Whistler" but he laughed at the tape
[Laura
Leff] If you remember. (Of course, I'm talking to someone with an
awesome memory.)
[KayLhota]
Frank, do you remember
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[Laura
Leff] Brad/Ed - Hope you're still with us!
[KayLhota]
I am trying to recall the specifics
[Laura
Leff] Well, that explains it for Ed
[KayLhota]
other than what was being said seemed to engage him in a way that had never
happened before
[Laura
Leff] I've so often talked in interviews about how Jack plays to all
ages and the comedy ages well, but I always know about stuff like this in the
back of my mind.
[Frank
J. Lhota] When I was a kid, a lot of the racial stuff in films went
over my head.
[KayLhota]
he'd been on plenty of long car rides, and hadn't always paid any attention to
what he heard
[Laura
Leff] Maybe it was the bad violin playing.
[KayLhota]
hang on. Let me ask Daniel what he remembers!
[Laura
Leff] Real time research...
[Frank
J. Lhota] For example, when black kids made a fuss over watermelon, I
thought it was because *all* kids loved watermelon.
[steve
+shimp+] I think values are always going to be changing, even smoking
now is going to get movies an automatic R. 20 years from now parents will be
facing dilemmas about how to explain that to kids.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - That's a really good point.
[steve
+shimp+] It is just an argument for parents and adults to be involved
with their kids, not an argument for censorship at all.
[Laura
Leff] I'm sort of used to smoking in 1940s-50s movies. But Dan and I
went to a midnight showing of Blade Runner last week
[Laura
Leff] which is from 1982, and I was struck how much smoking was
happening on screen.
[Laura
Leff] I'd even heard comments about "Mad Men" and how much
smoking is done on it today.
[KayLhota]
I'm back. Our son Daniel doesn't remember specifically what struck him funny
[Laura
Leff] Kay -
[Laura
Leff] I'm just always looking for what makes the show
"play" today other than the timelessness of the humor.
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, in the Lucky years I'd be a little more concerned
about the constant incitement to smoke rather than much of Rochester's antics.
[Laura
Leff] Thanks for asking.
[KayLhota]
but, over the years he's heard some episodes, and this summer he read Milt
Josefbergs book
[Brad]
Just listening to the American Tobacco auctioneer makes me want to reach for a
nicotine patch.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Any reviews from him?
[Brad]
And I've never smoked.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Har har
[KayLhota]
he loved trhe book, and although he had trouble expressing why, it gave me
insight
[Laura
Leff] Brad - You've probably heard me tell about how I had the
absolutely irresistable urge to eat Jell-O all the time while I was writing
Volume 1 of 39 Forever.
[Laura
Leff] Bordering on obsession
[KayLhota]
this was the memoirs of a comedy writer, so every anecdote had great punchlines
[Laura
Leff] Kay - It's such an upbeat book. It radiates warmth.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Some day, kids will ask "Why would somebody WANT to
suck on a tube of burning weeds?"
[KayLhota]
Yes, and Daniel would burst out of his bedroom to repeat the stories to me.
[Laura
Leff] Then again, portions of George Balzer's autobiography are
written like a monologue
[Brad]
Leonard Malton wrote that Mary smoked Parliaments...
[Laura
Leff] Setup....BAM! Setup....BAM! Setup...BAM!
[Brad]
...never wondered what/if Jack smoked.
[steve
+shimp+] So, you've read George Balzer's manuscript Laura?
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Cigars
[KayLhota]
Yes, jack smoked
[Laura
Leff] It felt like I was being jabbed in the ribs really hard.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Jack smoked whatever was left in the ashtray.
[Brad]
Cigars, of course.
[KayLhota]
Ouch Frank!
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Cheap cigars. Green ones.
[steve
+shimp+] Reading Balzer's book felt like a jab in the ribs? That is a
terrible review!
[Frank
J. Lhota] Cheaper than George Burns' cigars?
[Laura
Leff] Steve - I haven't read the whole thing. I'm in the section
where he's talking about his growing up, which is where the monologue feel
starts.
[Laura
Leff] Frank - I've got one of Burns' cigars, and one of his used
ashes as well. They weren't green, but they were cheap too.
[Laura
Leff] I moved over to Gore Vidal for a while, and a few other
things...I'll get back to it.
[KayLhota]
I read that he smoked El Producto
[Laura
Leff] I don't have enough time for reading.
[steve
+shimp+] Hold on to that cigar, we'll clone him from his saliva one
day.
[KayLhota]
Oh My God!
[KayLhota]
I'm not sure that I would want him cloned!
[Laura
Leff] Kay - That feels right, but I can't say for sure at the moment.
I am pretty sure George Burns did.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Only the saliva was probably on the holder!
[steve
+shimp+] Aw, shucks.
[Laura
Leff] Only if we can clone Gracie too.
[steve
+shimp+] There's a Gracie joke in there somewhere but I am
stalling...
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[KayLhota]
Hi again Ed
[steve
+shimp+] welcome back ed
[Laura
Leff] Gracie would want her clone frozen in dairy, so it could be an
ice creamed clone.
[KayLhota]
Oh groan, Laura!
[ed]
these stupid stinken machines
[Laura
Leff] Ed - We just figured you didn't like us.
[ed]
not so LL
[Brad]
Try the early 1904s Burns and Allens for the "Vote For Gracie" series.
Very timely.
[Brad]
1940.
[KayLhota]
Oh, yeah. I ought to pull those episodes out
[Laura
Leff] I've got the book "How to Run for President" by
Gracie Allen.
[steve
+shimp+] Those are fun shows.
[Brad]
Gracie makes more sense than Gov. Palin, gotta give her credit there.
[Brad]
Sorry.
[Frank
J. Lhota] She's got my vote.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - I was just thinking the same thing.
[KayLhota]
Oh, I'm sure that Gracie Does!
[Frank
J. Lhota] Gracie sthat is
[steve
+shimp+] There's an OK book that reprints the "How to Run for
President", with lots of pictures of Gracie with Mary Kelly
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Really?
[steve
+shimp+] Picture, Mary Kelly being borne on a float carried by lots
of guys dressed as Abe Lincoln.
[Laura
Leff] How long ago?
[steve
+shimp+] It is pretty wild.
[Laura
Leff] Who did this?
[steve
+shimp+] Couple of years ago, I'll check.
[Laura
Leff] I'll be.
[KayLhota]
I have been reading Eddie Cantor episodes from 1938-39 in TobaccoDocuments, and
Eddie would have Mary Kelly on his show
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Interesting! Nice to know she was getting work.
[KayLhota]
Yes, I thought so too.
[Laura
Leff] I've got to find and reread the stuff about Gracie not wanting
her living with them any more.
[steve
+shimp+] "Gracie Allen for President, 1940" by William
Carroll, Coda Publications 2000
[Laura
Leff] William Carroll. Name doesn't ring a bell, which is unusual.
[steve
+shimp+] It's not that great text-wise, just reprints a lot of stuff
you could find on the internet. The photos are cool but not well-reproduced.
[Laura
Leff] I wonder who Coda Publications is. Strange.
[steve
+shimp+] It looks like a homegrown job, frankly.
[Laura
Leff] I know most of the people who are publishing in the OTR genre,
or at least know of them.
[Laura
Leff] It sounds like it.
[steve
+shimp+] I think I ordered it from Amazon, so it had some decent
distribution.
[Laura
Leff] Gracie Allen vs. Sarah Palin, Dennis Day vs. Dan Quayle
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Maybe, but my books are on Amazon and they're
self-published.
[Laura
Leff] I know Dennis Day, and you're no Dennis Day!
[KayLhota]
Oh boy
[steve
+shimp+] Biden to Palin: You're no Tina Fey!
[Brad]
Dennis was a pretty strong family values guy.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Very Catholic.
[Laura
Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind?
[ed]
tina fey great last night
[Brad]
Jack does get a mention in Nancy Reagan's book.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Interesting...any specifics?
[steve
+shimp+] Really? What did she have to say?
[Laura
Leff] Reagan (Ronald) was one of Jack's pallbearers.
[Brad]
Have to look it up...had something to do with the Reagan kids watching a private
performance (fundraiser?) through a fence.
[KayLhota]
Yes, and Nancy Reagan visited Mary Livingstone the day before she died
[Brad]
That's right. They had a manicure.
[Laura
Leff] I know they stayed friends over the years...one of the few who
stayed relatively close to Mary.
[Brad]
Mary didn't get a lot of visitors.
[Laura
Leff] IIRC, Mary was invited to the inauguration, but turned it down.
[Brad]
Apparently Nancy did.
[KayLhota]
Mary probably wasn't feeling up to the travel
[Laura
Leff] Mary didn't like going out much period.
[KayLhota]
I got the impression that she wasn't feeling well.
[Laura
Leff] That dates back to even before Jack's death.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Hard to tell with Mary.
[steve
+shimp+] She really had some deep-seated demons, it seems like.
[KayLhota]
Joan Benny suspected clinical depression, and I would buy that
[Laura
Leff] I think it's sort of deep-seated insecturities
[Laura
Leff] Thus her stage fright
[KayLhota]
it may have created some somatic symptoms, along with some genuine issues and
old age
[Laura
Leff] insecurities
[steve
+shimp+] Deep seated insecturities are like, ants in your pants.
[Laura
Leff] Someone recently told me, and I may have said it here already,
[KayLhota]
yes, I don't think that she could deal with them
[Laura
Leff] that Mary wanted to move out of Century City because she
"didn't like riding in the elevator with the nobodies".
[Brad]
I'm sure she had her share of good qualities.
[Laura
Leff] There's just something there, something almost on the level of
self-hatred and trying so hard to be "one of the beautiful people"
[KayLhota]
yes, after the fun of Roxbury Drive and the comings and goings
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Of course...she was an excellent performer on the show
[Brad]
trying too hard = that's it Laura.
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, a lot of conflict between wanting to be
"someone" but not really wanting to be a performer.
[Brad]
Jack obviously loved her.
[KayLhota]
I would agree about her abilities as a comedienne.
[KayLhota]
She certainly could perform it all well.
[Laura
Leff] Was there anyone who really did the sort of puncturing female
sidekick before her?
[ed]
her abilities equal that i think of portland hoffa
[Brad]
Mary was in real life what Jack portrayed himself as.
[Laura
Leff] There was the daffy dame
[KayLhota]
I don't really know enough of the vaudeville comice
[Brad]
Insecure, petty, controlling.
[Brad]
...but well-meaning.
[Laura
Leff] Brad - Not as misely though, spending for her was a sport.
[Brad]
That's true.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - I'd say even beyond Portland...I'm not a big fan of Hoffa.
[Laura
Leff] Portland was a little too one-note in her delivery...it grates
on me quickly.
[KayLhota]
Jessie Block and Eve Sully. They were a vaudeville team, but I don't know what
their comedy was like
[KayLhota]
I've seen them in "Kid Millions" and they did a Jack Benny show.
[Laura
Leff] They were guests on the Benny show in the 30s
[KayLhota]
Eve Sully was a dumb-dora, I guess.
[Laura
Leff] There was also the "rich dame", which I think of as
somewhere between Margaret Dumont and
[steve
+shimp+] Mary is remarkably independent and assertive for a female
character in that era.
[Laura
Leff] another performer (whose name escapes me) who always performed
in drag...so not really a woman, I guess.
[ed]
on radio?
[Laura
Leff] Steve - And that's why I wanted to point it out...I think her
character was rather ground-breaking.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - On stage and in movies. His death was the stuff of legend,
walking on a beach in New York and getting struck dead by lightning.
[steve
+shimp+] Oh, I agree. And I agree on her performance too. It's
incredible. It is sad to think of the gap between that character and her
real-life unhappiness.
[KayLhota]
And Mary could do some solid imitations. She could do Portland Hoffa, and Mae
West
[ed]
ouch
[Laura
Leff] Even on radio...was anyone as independent and outspoken as Mary
in the 1930s?
[Laura
Leff] Judy Canova did more of a hick routine in the 1940s, but that
was after.
[KayLhota]
and doing comedy? I don't know of any that have surfaced.
[steve
+shimp+] I think Eve Arden would probably be the next brainy
independent woman character, but she obviously followed Mary.
[ed]
her daughter diane canova was on "soap"
[steve
+shimp+] in comedy, at least
[Laura
Leff] So Mary gets her due for really carving out that character.
[steve
+shimp+] I think so.
[KayLhota]
I think so
[Laura
Leff] Some of the credit goes to the writers as well, but you need a
performer to put it over.
[KayLhota]
Mary ought to get her do for being a solid comedienne
[KayLhota]
she even had a pleasant singing voice
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, like Rochester, the writers keyed in on her strengths.
She started out pretty ditzy, and quickly turned smart and acidic.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Which changed a lot over the yeras.
[Laura
Leff] years
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[Laura
Leff] Which brings us back to Parliaments...
[KayLhota]
smoking probably undid
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell!
[steve
+shimp+] Hi Maxwell
[KayLhota]
yes Laura
[KayLhota]
Hi Maxwell
[ed]
she did not like tv
[Maxwell]
Hi everybody!
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Not quite so quickly...
[ed]
hi max
[Laura
Leff] She's pretty ditzy from 1932 to about 1940, with flashes of
cutting before that.
[steve
+shimp+] True.
[Laura
Leff] Yosemite to me is the real turning point for her.
[steve
+shimp+] Max you must be happy about the White Sox
[Laura
Leff] When she's harping on Jack for having to sleep in the car.
[Maxwell]
Just came back from my son's house where we were cheering them on.
[ed]
yea they beat my tampa rats
[Laura
Leff] Kay - What's the latest on the Red Sox?
[Laura
Leff] I've been too busy to follow them.
[KayLhota]
I haven't heard
[ed]
tied 3-3
[KayLhota]
they are playing the Angels
[KayLhota]
tied 3 to 3?
[Maxwell]
And they're up 2-0 in games.
[ed]
yep
[Laura
Leff] Ed - 3-3 in the series, or a game right now?
[Maxwell]
3-3 in the game.
[KayLhota]
yes, I was wondering that too
[ed]
right now
[Laura
Leff] I take it they're playing right now.
[KayLhota]
right
[KayLhota]
I ought to put it on the tv
[Maxwell]
Yup. Their game followed the real Sox' game.
[Laura
Leff] Same here
[ed]
4th inning
[Laura
Leff] I'll catch it afterwards.
[KayLhota]
hey, I have plenty of respect for the White Sox, but really!
[Maxwell]
(White Sox were Sox when the Red Sox were the Pilgrims.)
[ed]
yea but i was hoping for a tampa win-nuts!!!
[steve
+shimp+] Back to Mary, LL, I thought she was pretty much the fully
evolved Mary in tonights show, for example.
[KayLhota]
why Tampa?
[Maxwell]
ed You from the Tampa area?
[Laura
Leff] Jack tries to get the Red Sox game on the radio
[KayLhota]
well,they lost in 1946
[ed]
my twin brother billy is a big rays and bucs fan
[Laura
Leff] Kay - We got 'em back in 2004.
[Maxwell]
Ah...I was wondering because a friend of mine does the Rays radio play-by-play.
[ed]
really neat
[Laura
Leff] Unfortunately, Jack would probably be rooting for the Angels.
[ed]
iam in springfield illinois
[Laura
Leff] The land of Lincoln
[Maxwell]
Yeah, Dave Wills...he's from Oak Lawn, IL and a lifelong White Sox fan. He took
the Rays job after the Sox won in '-5.
[KayLhota]
yes, I was hoping for the Angel too.
[Maxwell]
I'm in Joliet.
[Maxwell]
'05
[KayLhota]
And me in Red Sox country. But then, I love the Red Sox.
[Frank
J. Lhota] BostA
[ed]
wow close to the sox' home
[KayLhota]
I just love to see good baseball!
[Maxwell]
ed Yup.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Boston would never have a team called "The
Angels"
[ed]
been there in 1993
[Laura
Leff] Yes. Yankees vs. Red Sox 2004 playoffs was amazing ball.
[KayLhota]
why is that Frank?
[Frank
J. Lhota] We just aren't that innocent
[Maxwell]
Boston has had teams called the Doves, Pilgrims/Puritans, Bees, Red Stockings,
Red Caps, and Beaneaters.
[Laura
Leff] That's true.
[ed]
that's right
[Laura
Leff] The Boston Doves?
[Maxwell]
Yeah, after their owner.
[Laura
Leff] Baseball?
[Maxwell]
Yup.
[ed]
cubs were the white stockings and colts orphans
[Laura
Leff] Go figure
[KayLhota]
I remember my Dad telling me about the Boston Braves
[Maxwell]
First decade of the 20th Centuries.
[Maxwell]
ed Also the Remnants.
[Laura
Leff] The Remnants...that doesn't sound very inspiring.
[Laura
Leff] We're what's left over.
[Maxwell]
Kay All but the Pilgrims/Puritans were the Braves.
[ed]
ah the 1958 world series champs in milwaukee who lost today to the phils as the
brewers
[Frank
J. Lhota] D.C. should have a team called "The Special
Prosecutors"
[KayLhota]
Oh Frank!
[Laura
Leff] The Bailouts
[KayLhota]
good one, Laura
[ed]
the stock exchangers
[Maxwell]
The Brewers are the Seattle Pilots.
[ed]
right max
[Laura
Leff] Actually, search on Jack in the Chicago Tribune online. Someone
wrote an article comparing the bailout to "Your Money or Your Life"
[Brad]
So Jack says "whoops" any time anyone says "one million"
[Maxwell]
Atlanta is the Boston Red Stockings.
[Brad]
What would he say to 700 BILLION?
[ed]
thats right
[Laura
Leff] Jack...Jack!
[steve
+shimp+] I wish they would have THOUGHT IT OVER!
[Laura
Leff] Oh my, he's out cold!
[Brad]
His head would have exploded.
[Maxwell]
Brad: "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!"
[Laura
Leff] Jack takes gun from Mel Blanc...
[steve
+shimp+] That would have been a great final episode for the Jack
Benny Show.
[ed]
i have that show on dvd LL
[ed]
christmas
[Laura
Leff] Let's see....700 billion could buy you a billion new Maxwells
in 1925.
[Maxwell]
At least.
[Brad]
I'm putting my annual "Jack Benny Holiday" playlist on my mp3 player.
[Maxwell]
You might even get a volume discount for that many.
[KayLhota]
yes, but they didn't build a billion of those cars
[Brad]
Every Halloween - Thanksgiving - Christmas - New Year show.
[Laura
Leff] No seriously...I was just looking at an ad I've got on my wall
for them. $695 for a 1925 Maxwell.
[steve
+shimp+] And, you'd still have five billion left over!
[Frank
J. Lhota] I saw one analysis that pointed out that the bailout money
could buy one copy of "The Office: Season 4" for every person on the
planet.
[Laura
Leff] Whattadeal
[Maxwell]
But I'd still need Seasons 1-3!
[Laura
Leff] The Daily Show aired a clip of someone saying that it would buy
2,000 McDonald's apple pies for everyone on the planet.
[KayLhota]
Great, Maxwell!
[Frank
J. Lhota] Buy Seasons 1-3 yourself, you mooch!
[steve
+shimp+] Just what folks in Darfur want for Xmas! Steve Carrell and
Fried Pie!
[Maxwell]
Mmmm...McDonald's apple pie....
[Laura
Leff] Then Bill Clinton came on and said that he thought that was a
pretty good idea...
[ed]
the team could be called the washington "brokers" cause no one can
afford a ticket
[Maxwell]
Change the name of the Yankees or Mets to the Wall St. Brokers.
[Frank
J. Lhota] LA could add the team "The Papparatsi"
[Laura
Leff] I'm sure there could be a show where Jack is thinking of
loaning the government the money.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Yikes!
[Maxwell]
This just in: Greenberg is on third.
[ed]
jack would be have blast with that show
[Laura
Leff] And he can stay there
[KayLhota]
Yes, Maxwell
[Laura
Leff] Hello, Mr. Benny's residence...yes, Mr. Paulson, he's in, just
a minute...
[ed]
greenbacks is on third
[Laura
Leff] Green Acres is the place to be
[KayLhota]
that reminds me-- I saw the script to the Ingrid Bergman "Gaslight"
parody. I was interested in what isn't on the recording
[Maxwell]
Greenberg is on third but Moe Berg grounded out.
[ed]
money is no problem for me...
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Is this on Tobacco Documents?
[KayLhota]
yes it is
[steve
+shimp+] Can you imagine Jack buying out all those bad mortgages and
becoming a million people's landlord? Comedy gold!
[ed]
land everywhere
[Maxwell]
steve: A whole new series.
[Maxwell]
Probably would have been better that the pilot for Mr. Kitzel.
[steve
+shimp+] He could visit a "flip this house" impoverished
family every week.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Maybe the D.C. Brokers could play the Las Vegas Faders?
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Do you remember Jack listening to "The Mean Old
Man"?
[steve
+shimp+] Yes!
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - That wouldn't take much.
[Maxwell]
True.
[ed]
the mr kitzel episode i have dvd at the train station is played in 1958 after
artie aurbach died
[Maxwell]
My dental X-rays are probably better than that pilot.
[Laura
Leff] I actually haven't been able to sit all the way through it. I
did my pennance with Jet Benny.
[steve
+shimp+] I haven't gotten to the Kitzel show yet either.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Really? I didn't realize he was on a show that didn't air
until after his death.
[steve
+shimp+] I'm a little a-scared.
[Maxwell]
I sat through every excruciating minute.
[Maxwell]
excrutiating?
[Maxwell]
However it's spelled.
[Laura
Leff] I just can't even conceive of a whole series about him. There
just isn't the breadth of character.
[ed]
it says it aired in march 1958 he died in late summer 57
[Laura
Leff] It's like the Goldbergs, but more shallow.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Go figure...hadn't put that together yet. Good job!
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[Laura
Leff] Hello Josef!
[KayLhota]
hi Josef
[steve
+shimp+] Hi josef
[Maxwell]
Hi josef.
[josef]
hello everyone!
[steve
+shimp+] Back to Ed's Kitzel observation, did the show really film
that far in advance?
[Laura
Leff] Josef - We're into a bit of free-association at this point, so
it's not all Benny at the moment.
[steve
+shimp+] That really surprises me.
[josef]
okay, thanks for letting me know
[Maxwell]
LL: Is it ever?
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Good question...I'm working that out in Volume 3.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Well, I try to be reasonably good for the first half
hour or so.
[steve
+shimp+] Excellent.
[Maxwell]
Okay, I missed the first hour so I guess I missed that part.
[Laura
Leff] I've already worked out the live vs. filmed shows, so that was
interesting.
[Maxwell]
Are you starting work on Vol. 3?
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - That's OK...we're glad you're here now.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Well.............yes.
[KayLhota]
are all of the TV episodes available for viewing?
[Laura
Leff] Started.
[Maxwell]
Well, that's a start at least.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - All but one, but for some you've got to go to where they
are to see them.
[KayLhota]
where are some of them held?
[Laura
Leff] I can't say how long it will take me, because I've never
written a book while working.
[KayLhota]
and what is the missing program?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - UCLA or the American Heritage Center.
[Laura
Leff] The missing program *sigh* is with guest Sammy Davis Jr.
[KayLhota]
oh no.
[KayLhota]
That is sad.
[Laura
Leff] Yeah. Serious bummer.
[steve
+shimp+] Isn't there a 1949 pilot that's gone too?
[Laura
Leff] But everything else seems to be spoken for.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Yes, that's true.
[Laura
Leff] Isaac Stern, Andrews Sisters, and Lum and Abner.
[KayLhota]
well, that is good considering how many radio programs are lost
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Yeah, that's my thought too.
[Laura
Leff] Hey Steve, should I tell them?
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angels just went up 4-3
[steve
+shimp+] Sure, close enough to happening!
[Maxwell]
Stupid Angels.
[Laura
Leff] Well, I've got something special in the works.
[josef]
whats that?
[Maxwell]
TELL!!!!!!!!!!!11
[Laura
Leff] Or more accurately, several specials.
[Frank
J. Lhota] Hell's Angels?
[Laura
Leff] 10 of them, to be exact.
[Maxwell]
Spill!
[josef]
yeah
[Laura
Leff] The Benny family has approved the IJBFC funding digital
transfers from the masters of Jack's specials from 1965-1974.
[Laura
Leff] Plus "A Love Letter to Jack Benny".
[KayLhota]
YAY!!!!!
[Maxwell]
Excellent!!!!!!!
[josef]
Great!!!
[KayLhota]
wonderful!
[Laura
Leff] Yeah, isn't that just the nuts!?
[Maxwell]
Grape Nuts?
[KayLhota]
I have my old video tape of "Love Letter" but a copy from the master
would be awesome
[Laura
Leff] I'm still working out the logistics, but at least I've started.
[steve
+shimp+] I will personally vouch for the fact that Laura has gone
through some crazy hoops over the past couple of years to get this to happen, so
a big round of applause is in order.
[Maxwell]
Keep us posted.
[Laura
Leff] And we've got people who are really enthusiastic to help.
[KayLhota]
and I would love to see the Anniversary special
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Thanks much.
[KayLhota]
I missed the 2nd Farewell show
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I've got copies of both of those in the library now if
you're interested.
[Maxwell]
I missed a lot of those specials because I was in college or just getting
started at my first job.
[Laura
Leff] But I'm hoping the masters will be in reasonable shape. We'll
see.
[KayLhota]
the penguin on roller skates on the birthday show was so memorable that I've
never forgotten it 40 years later
[KayLhota]
I'm interested, but Frank is the one with the money!
[Laura
Leff] Gotcha.
[Laura
Leff] So think really good thoughts that I can find a way to make
this happen with relative speed.
[josef]
I definitely will, Laura.
[Laura
Leff] When the copies show up, I've already put Dan on notice that
I'm going to sit down and watch them all marathon-style.
[KayLhota]
well, this is going to be a wonderful thing, Laura.
[KayLhota]
Good things come to those that wait.
[Laura
Leff] I just hope that they're in good condition. We'll see.
[Laura
Leff] And I've been waiting a long time for these. Like 20 years.
[Maxwell]
Yeah, thirty to forty year old tape might be pretty deteriorated.
[Laura
Leff] But many, many kudos to the family for giving this the green
light.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - It's been professionally stored, so we'll see.
[Maxwell]
That's a plus.
[KayLhota]
my video tape of "A Love letter to Jack Benny" looked pretty good for
a home job, and that was from 1981
[Laura
Leff] I was talking to the guys at the archive on Friday afternoon
about arranging a pickup.
[Laura
Leff] So back to basics...what else Benny-wise for discussion?
[KayLhota]
Daniel really loved reading "The Jack Benny Show"
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[Laura
Leff] Hi Yht!
[KayLhota]
Hi Yip
[yhtapmys]
Hi al
[steve
+shimp+] Oh, yht, you just missed the news!
[josef]
hello yht
[Maxwell]
We watched Comedy in Bloom last night on WTTW in Chicago. It happened to be on
during the rain delay before the Sox game, so my son got to watch about the last
half. It's on later, so he's recording it. He loved what he saw.
[KayLhota]
HUGS to you Yip, for the Hans Conried radio interview link!
[yhtapmys]
Sorry, Steve, I was at a benefit.
[Maxwell]
Hey yht!
[Maxwell]
That's the inevitable Hans Conried to you.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - That's great! You missed the discussion early on
about getting kids into JB.
[KayLhota]
Yes, Maxwell.
[yhtapmys]
Kay, I found it by accident looking for something else so I thought I'd post it.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Feel free to fill him in.
[Maxwell]
One thing that I think Carol Burnett said: his comedy really is timeless.
[josef]
Laura, now I wish I came here early for that discussion
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Hans Conreid?
[Maxwell]
Jack.
[Laura
Leff] Josef - Sorry we missed you. It will be on the transcript,
though.
[Maxwell]
Hans is just inevitable.
[KayLhota]
Yip, we were discussing my son Daniel, who has heard some Jack Benny shows
[steve
+shimp+] Laura rocked the house -- the IJBFC will be funding digital
transfers of 10 Jack Benny specials that haven't been seen in a really long
time.
[josef]
will look forward to reading it.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Better than being out of evitable.
[yhtapmys]
Steve, you mean TV?
[KayLhota]
and read "The Jack Benny Show" as a non-fiction book for his summer
reading
[steve
+shimp+] Yes.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Well, to be fair, some are in the library now. But now
we should get good, first-gen transfers.
[KayLhota]
he laughed all the way through the book
[Maxwell]
Kay, how old is your son?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - That's a fine review!
[steve
+shimp+] Right, and, as we were discussing, the fact that there will
be good, modern elements of these is a real preservation milestone for these
shows.
[KayLhota]
17 years old
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Amen and amen...
[KayLhota]
he was just over 10 when he first paid attention to a Jack Benny episode. It was
"The Fiddler" from 1950
[Maxwell]
Good for him. I got mine started when they were showing reruns of Jack's TV
shows on what is now the family channel (back when Pat Robertson owned it).
[Laura
Leff] This is what the profits from selling books and video library
donations do...
[Laura
Leff] I think Yht passed out.
[Laura
Leff] Or he's doing a happy dance.
[steve
+shimp+] Maybe both!
[Maxwell]
We need a happy dance emoticon.
[KayLhota]
We found the episode with the Bob Hope parody as discussed in the book
[yhtapmys]
Well, I don't have a TV to watch them on.
[Frank
J. Lhota] There's a lot of Jack Benny on YouTube
[Laura
Leff] Hey, this might be an excuse to buy one.
[steve
+shimp+] Toss them in your computer...
[KayLhota]
I'd love to hear the Bob Hope parody of the Jack Benny show
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Bob Hope parody or Jack's parody of Bob's show?
[Laura
Leff] The one where Dennis fooled Jerry Colonna's family?
[KayLhota]
We have Jack's parody of Bob, but Milt J. said that Bob Hope followed it with a
Jack Benny parody
[yhtapmys]
What I'd really like is a set of Benny shows from radio at the right speed from
the transcription airchecks.
[steve
+shimp+] I didn't know Hope did a parody of Jack's show.
[KayLhota]
amen, Yip!
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Aha, I'd forgotten that.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - I know someone who took transfers from the discs. But
that's a long story...they're sort of toxic now.
[yhtapmys]
Yeah, Laura. That basement.
[Laura
Leff] Hopefully they'll be untoxic some time.
[KayLhota]
toxic? How so?
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Yup, that's it.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - You tell about it.
[KayLhota]
please?
[yhtapmys]
I found out about it a few months ago when Laura brought it up here.
[Laura
Leff] The discs are not toxic, the transfers are.
[josef]
how'd that happen?
[KayLhota]
yes, I'd like to hear this.
[Laura
Leff] Trying to remember...there was some kind of underground
explosion.
[Laura
Leff] Basically...
[KayLhota]
oh no
[josef]
wow
[Laura
Leff] someone with the Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters took transfers
from UCLA.
[steve
+shimp+] No story that starts with an underground explosion has a
good ending. Think RODAN
[yhtapmys]
I gather the original discs are not accessible.
[Laura
Leff] Then they were in the PPB basement, and there was a nearby
explosion.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - They are, at UCLA. Just takes time to transfer.
[yhtapmys]
OK
[yhtapmys]
Probably a half hour for each show
[Laura
Leff] And Hazmat hasn't let anyone into the basement since then,
because they're afraid that it may still be toxic.
[KayLhota]
right, that is a lot of time
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Yes, but you'd also have to jump through UCLA hoops, etc.
[yhtapmys]
brb
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[Laura
Leff] But I also recently heard that PPB is doing something with the
1000 Oaks library, so maybe there's updated news about getting to their
collection.
[josef]
that would be great
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[KayLhota]
this is all fascinating to me
[KayLhota]
hi Yip
[Frank
J. Lhota] Welcome back
[Laura
Leff] I asked the guy who did the transfers about the possibility of
getting copies, and that's how I found out this story.
[Laura
Leff] I should probably read the OTR Digest more closely for details.
If I only had time.
[yhtapmys]
Sorry, had to log off to call up the show of the month.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - The consensus says it's not worth it.
[steve
+shimp+] You know, it is almost OK that these things might not get
touched for a few years, audio restoration technology is growing by leaps and
bounds so quickly.
[KayLhota]
I don't think it wasn't worth it. it's just that I was poking around the website
and found the link to Hans Conried.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Agreed.
[steve
+shimp+] I just heard a sample of some Mercury Theater stuff that
always sounded awful, it sounded practically live.
[KayLhota]
His interview sort of beat out tonight's Jack Benny show
[yhtapmys]
Yipe!
[Laura
Leff] Maybe we can finally clean up the Deanna Durbin episode
[yhtapmys]
I'm upstaging our chat!
[Laura
Leff] Yht - You are?
[Laura
Leff] How so?
[yhtapmys]
Well, Kay thinks so
[Laura
Leff] OIC
[KayLhota]
oh, it would be wonderful to hear some of those episodes with better speed and
clarity
[Laura
Leff] The Deanna Durbin is just particularly egregious and semi-unlistenable...
[KayLhota]
the Deanna Durbin episode does sound pretty crunchy
[Laura
Leff] Sounds like someone was having a bad day and keeps dragging
their finger on the transcript
[KayLhota]
the Basil Rathbone Halloween episode could be a lot better
[yhtapmys]
Damned take-up reels.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - I always envisioned it as someone jamming the turntable,
but it could be a take up reel, now that you mention it.
[Maxwell]
Not to mention the two partial Canada Dry shows.
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[yhtapmys]
No, Laura, that;s what it sounds like to me.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Yeah, maybe we can finally hear the lyrics to the
theme song.
[ed]
bye brad
[Maxwell]
No kidding!
[KayLhota]
I found the "Red Riding Hood" Orson Welles episode hiding in Archive.org
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Do we have that one in MP3?
[yhtapmys]
Too much tape on the take-up reel.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Yeah, I know what you mean.
[KayLhota]
I don't know. You might, but I did not.
[yhtapmys]
I've had that problem with old airchecks of mine.
[steve
+shimp+] Ah, I remember the great "cow upon a tree"
discussion...
[Laura
Leff] So I'm hear tonigghggggggghtttt tooooooooo saaaaayyyyyyy
thaaaaaa...
[Laura
Leff] Steve -
[Laura
Leff] ROFLMAO
[KayLhota]
one set of MP3's that I collected had it mis-filed
[steve
+shimp+] I think most of us were convinced those were actually the
words!
[KayLhota]
it was a second copy of the deli episode with the songs cut
[Laura
Leff] Steve - You know, I had no better input to offer on that one...
[Laura
Leff] Now if we can find the Christmas episode with Kenny, Dennis,
and Larry all singing together and no songs cut...
[KayLhota]
another was the Red Riding Hood episode with Jack Benny and Georgie Jessel mis-filed
[Maxwell]
One wonders why someone would cut out the songs...somebody must have hated
tenors.
[yhtapmys]
I'd like that, Laura/
[Laura
Leff] Nah, didn't have the rights to broadcast the songs.
[Maxwell]
(Thoughts passing through my mind of Billy Gilbert and pianos in the Music Box.)
[yhtapmys]
I don't know if it was that, Laura.
[Maxwell]
I hate simple explanations like that.
[KayLhota]
Yes, Maxwell!
[yhtapmys]
It's only recently they got picky about that kind of thing.
[Laura
Leff] OK, I'm open to other explanations. I may be wrong.
[Laura
Leff] It could be to save transcription space as well
[Maxwell]
Billy Gilbert edited it?
[Laura
Leff] But then they'd all be cut, like in the mid-30s.
[Laura
Leff] Billy Connelly edited it?
[KayLhota]
some of the musical commercials I hate to have missing because there is such
solid stuff
[Laura
Leff] Yht - So what's your thought?
[KayLhota]
like Mel blanc doing his Jolson impression with the Quartet
[yhtapmys]
Well, Laura, my guess is...
[Laura
Leff] Kay - That's not cut, is it? I remember hearing it.
[KayLhota]
it was cut on my copy, but mine are not yours
[Maxwell]
I think of all the eidting that has been done, the most irritating to me is the
editing of the Sportsmen's commercials. I always loved the Sportsmen, even when
I was a kid watching the shows live.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I may have just imagined what it would be. But I think
you've got 39 Forever, so you can see if I noted it.
[yhtapmys]
A radio show here has been running OTR stuff for years.. they've cut shows to 25
minutes to fit them in.
[KayLhota]
on the other hand, your MP3 with Jimmy stewart only runs 22 minutes and is
missing a lot
[KayLhota]
I have the entire show on audio tape
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Cool!
[yhtapmys]
So the cut the non-essential stuff like songs. And they can't run cigarette
commercials so they cut those.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Charles Michaelson cut down the shows years ago for just
that purpose. They may be using the same copies.
[yhtapmys]
The few times I ran OTR on the air I had the actual transcriptions and just
decided to run long.
[yhtapmys]
Management wasn't happy the 4 am news got on late.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Like, the actual discs? You plugged a transcription
player into a board?
[Maxwell]
Like anybody listens to the 4 a.m. news.
[yhtapmys]
We had a transcription turntable.
[yhtapmys]
Max, *no one* listened to my show.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Wow. Impressive.
[yhtapmys]
The studios were built in 1948.
[Laura
Leff] I've got a transcription turntable, but most people don't.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Aha...that explains it.
[Laura
Leff] (Not that I use it hardly ever...)
[steve
+shimp+] How big are those transcription discs, I've never personally
seen one.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - 16" diameter.
[yhtapmys]
We had two discs of the Dennis Day Show.
[KayLhota]
we have an LP turntable, but that's as far as it goes.
[yhtapmys]
I recorded them on reel.
[ed]
do you have glass or oil discs LL?
[steve
+shimp+] Wow.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Wax. And some AFRS vinyl.
[yhtapmys]
But the tape up reel slowed down the last few minutes,
[yhtapmys]
Hence my comment earlier.
[Maxwell]
yht Are those the ones that ran from the center out? Or am I thinking of
something else?
[yhtapmys]
No, Max, they played like 33s.
[yhtapmys]
Except they were at 16.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Really? My transcripts play inside out
[Maxwell]
Okay...I think I'm thinking of something from the 30s.
Maxwell
remembers phonographs that played 16 2/3.
[KayLhota]
that may be why they sound scratchy at the beginning of the disc
[yhtapmys]
No, Laura, they played like LPs.
[Laura
Leff] My transcripts are mostly movie soundtracks.
[yhtapmys]
Kay, it's because you have to cue them at the beginning.
[KayLhota]
sure.
[yhtapmys]
Cuing scratches the vinyl.
[ed]
right
[yhtapmys]
Nobody in radio knows this now; it's all on computer.
[Laura
Leff] They played inside out because when the lathe was cutting, it
wanted to push the chip (wax cut material) to the outside rather than building
up in the middle.
[Laura
Leff] But I know there were transcripts that went the other way too.
[steve
+shimp+] I seem to have seen some film somewhere of someone with a
little brush, brushing that chip off the disc.
[Maxwell]
Laura, I ran across some transcriptions for syndication on the Dismuke site a
long time ago, some stuff put out by Philco, I think. I think it said those were
cut inside out.
[Laura
Leff] Chip is really, really flammable.
[yhtapmys]
I just wish I had taken the damned transcriptions. They had been sitting in
storage for 25 years doing nothing.
[Laura
Leff] Max - Yes, I'm not up to speed on who decided in or out, or
when it switched.
[Maxwell]
Those transcriptions were from the early '30sm, iirc.
[Laura
Leff] My movie stuff is all 1928-1932.
[Maxwell]
The main inside out discs I'm aware of though are the Vitaphones.
[KayLhota]
what were they transcriptions of?
[Laura
Leff] Of course, by that time they were switching over to sound on
the side of the film.
[yhtapmys]
Kay, we had piles of stuff. Amongst them were some radio shows of the early-mid
50s the station ran.
[Maxwell]
The sad part about the movie discs is that there are some discs with no film and
some film with no discs.
[steve
+shimp+] Wow, '32 is late for sound on disc, isn't it?
[Laura
Leff] Too "Singin' in the Rain" to try and sync a disc and
film.
[yhtapmys]
I never went through the whole library.
[KayLhota]
it breaks my heart to think of those discs getting junked.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Jack's first film is like that. One disc (but there
were more) and no film.
[yhtapmys]
Steve, I think that's about the time it was phased out.
[Laura
Leff] Steve - Yeah, I haven't looked at them in years, but I know
that's approximately right.
[yhtapmys]
Kay, no.. the *owner* took them .. and all the 78s.
[yhtapmys]
Before he sold the station.
[Laura
Leff] Understandable.
[KayLhota]
well, some day they need to be organized and who knows? There may be some
missing show fill ins
[yhtapmys]
I was 18. I wish I had known the music then.
[Laura
Leff] I ripped off some easy listening reels when a radio station was
moving over to "adult contemporary"
[Laura
Leff] Frank Chacksfield, anyone?
[Maxwell]
No thanks.
[Laura
Leff] Living Strings?
[Laura
Leff] 101 Strings?
[Laura
Leff] Mantovani?
[ed]
straus?
[Laura
Leff] Feelings...wo wo wo wo...Feelings...
[steve
+shimp+] I'll take that stuff over "smooth jazz" or "lite
rock" actually!
[KayLhota]
when I was about 18 or 19, my parents transferred their 78's to reel to reel,
then made a cassette of the reel to reel tape
[Maxwell]
Percy Faith?
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Yeah!
[Maxwell]
I'd take a root canal over Smooth Jazz.
[ed]
david rose
[KayLhota]
the cassette got ground up in their car tape player
[yhtapmys]
Laura, I'm lucky I never had to work at that kind of format.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Him too. But no "Stripper"
[steve
+shimp+] Sometimes they play smooth jazz while I'm getting root
canals. Double whammy.
[Maxwell]
OUCH!
[Laura
Leff] Yht - I did right at the end of easy listening.
[Laura
Leff] Circa 1989.
[Maxwell]
Kenny G and a root canal...the worst of both worlds.
[yhtapmys]
Steve .. smooth jazz is neither smooth nor jazz
[steve
+shimp+] Pretty much!
[Laura
Leff] Smooth jazz is boring.
[KayLhota]
I'd love to hear the reel to reel tape, because I did some DJing, and I want to
hear my voice
[josef]
I think so
[steve
+shimp+] It's worse than boring, it's actually grating to my ears. I
have alto sax angst.
[KayLhota]
saying things like "Lassus Trombone, Spike Jones and his Other Orchestra
[Laura
Leff] Bring on Dizzy Gillespie or Count Basie or John Coltrane.
[yhtapmys]
or Phil Harris
[josef]
[Laura
Leff] That's smooth jazz.
[ed]
most of if not all my shows are on cassette
[Laura
Leff] April in Paris
[Maxwell]
Daaaa da da da. Da da da da daaaaaaa da da da....
[Maxwell]
(Into to April in Paris)
[ed]
2500+ shows i 8-track
[Laura
Leff] Whoa
[Laura
Leff] Dang
[Laura
Leff] Crunching sound = death
[Laura
Leff] Why 8-track?
[Maxwell]
It seemed like a good idea at the time?
[Laura
Leff] Of course, I got my first Benny radio shows on 8-track
[ed]
one episode of have gun will travel
[yhtapmys]
Laura, I have a question about tonight's show.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - I was really, really, really drunk and converted 2500
shows to 8-track one night...
[Maxwell]
With John Dehner?
[ed]
said 1950 but was aired in 1960
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Go for it
[ed]
yes
[Maxwell]
Yeah HGWT was pretty late in network radio.
[yhtapmys]
In the singing portion, when Andy Devine is about to sing with Mary,
[yhtapmys]
Jack says "Hit it, Kenny."
[yhtapmys]
He can't be referring to Kenny Baker,
[yhtapmys]
Because a piano fires up.
[yhtapmys]
Who is he talking about>
[yhtapmys]
?
[Maxwell]
I was wondering about that myself.
[Laura
Leff] Let me call it up...
[josef]
I really didn't notice that.
[yhtapmys]
23:15
[yhtapmys]
Wasn't Sammy Weiss the piano player?
[Laura
Leff] Drummer
[Laura
Leff] Charlie Bagby was piano
[yhtapmys]
OK.
[yhtapmys]
I get them mixed up.
[Laura
Leff] Jack asks who plays the piano, and Kenny says he does.
[Laura
Leff] That's why "Hit it Kenny"
[Maxwell]
Ah...
[KayLhota]
oh
[josef]
gotcha
[yhtapmys]
OK.
[yhtapmys]
Makes sense now.
[KayLhota]
yes
[ed]
i have on dvd where jack has fred mcmurray and others for a night of music
[Laura
Leff] Thanks for the easy question.
[KayLhota]
oh that jam session is wonderful
[yhtapmys]
Now, if Mary would stop singing through her nose.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Jam session
[ed]
right
[Maxwell]
ed I have that, too...Kirk Douglas playing Bye Bye Blues on banjo.
[ed]
funny stuff
[josef]
I have that one as well, enjoyed it very much
[Laura
Leff] Someone pointed out that it seems funny that Jack answers the
door and says every time, "Why it's SO-N-SO!"
[KayLhota]
well, she paid for that nose, she may have been getting her money's worth!
[Laura
Leff] Like he doesn't know them.
[Maxwell]
LL Left over from radio?
[Laura
Leff] Kay - She hadn't paid for it yet in 1938
[KayLhota]
not yet?
[ed]
i like that all the food is in coin machinews
[yhtapmys]
Laura, Dean Martin did it on the Golddiggers.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - I think it's because TV was small screen or grainy,
and you couldn't necessarily tell who it was.
[ed]
machines*
[yhtapmys]
Carroll Carroll wrote for him.
[Laura
Leff] Same basic reason J-E-LL-OOOOOO is sung really, really slowly
in the mid-1930s.
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I think she did it about 1940.
[yhtapmys]
Yeah, Laura, the crappy reception then.
[Maxwell]
I don't remember the live shows being all that grainy.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Sort of precursor of Jack's party at the Automat.
[Maxwell]
Kinescopes were.
[ed]
yes
[steve
+shimp+] That "why it's so-and-so" is also an audience
applause cue.
[Maxwell]
But then again, I was used to it.
[KayLhota]
I thought it was earlier. She looked good in the 1930's
[Laura
Leff] Kay - I don't think so. But I'd have to look it up to be sure.
[Laura
Leff] She's got the old nose in 1937 in "This Way Please".
[Laura
Leff] BRB
[KayLhota]
I've never seen that.
[Maxwell]
We lived 60 miles from Chicago. My dad had an antenna on top of a utility pole
he had put in the back of the house, but the picture was usually pretty good.
[KayLhota]
We lived in Park Ridge IL until 1966. We had a huge antenna. A Whalebone.
[yhtapmys]
What? Mary had a nose job>
[yhtapmys]
?
[Maxwell]
We were down around Kankakee.
[KayLhota]
When we moved east to Waltham, MA, even the whalebone brought a ghostie picture
[Maxwell]
Only station we had trouble getting was WTTW.
[Maxwell]
They had too weak a transmitter.
[ed]
those great chicago stations in the 60's wgn-wmaq etc
[josef]
yht, yeah, back in the late 30s, early 40s.
[ed]
their tv counter parts
[yhtapmys]
I didn't realise it happened back then.
[KayLhota]
I remember watching them in the 60's
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Yup.
[Maxwell]
WBBM, WNBQ (now WMAQ), WBKB (now WLS), WGN, WTTW.
[josef]
probably nolt as much as it happens today
[ed]
right
[yhtapmys]
She's on radio. Who'd notice?
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Back to wanting to be "one of the beautiful
people"
[josef]
yep
[Laura
Leff] So no more rabbit ears when TV goes digital next year.
[Laura
Leff] Not that we have to on our current set...
[Maxwell]
You can have the rabbit ears as long as you have the box.
[ed]
cable and a cheap vcr for me
[Laura
Leff] It's just really cool to turn on an old radio and hear a
broadcast through it.
[steve
+shimp+] Joan had a cute anecdote about Mary's nose job, saying she'd
hold the handkerchief too low when she'd sneeze, "I have to keep reminding
myself it's up here now".
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Will that work? Can you still get the signal through
an antenna?
[Maxwell]
I have no idea.
[Maxwell]
But you can keep the rabbit ears.
[ed]
i have reproduction radios and the tap0es sound great through them
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Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[Laura
Leff] We have three rabbits, so we'll keep them ears and all.
[Maxwell]
You need something to pick up the signal.
[josef]
Laura, I agree. My father had my great-grandfather's old 1937 radio refurbished
to its original looks, etc. It's great listening to it.
[ed]
tapes*
[KayLhota]
Frank got frozen
[Laura
Leff] Josef - There's something really warm about the tone
[yhtapmys]
Tubes
[Laura
Leff] Kay - Is he an ice cream clone?
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Frank J. Lhota has entered this room.
[Laura
Leff] Wood case.
[yhtapmys]
No, Laura, it's the tubes.
[josef]
I think so. I also love the fact my dad can pick up German radio, BBC, etc.
[KayLhota]
Frank, are you an icre cream clone?
[Frank
J. Lhota] Good night folks.
[Maxwell]
Wood resonates.
[yhtapmys]
We had an election broadcast one night.
[Maxwell]
Good night Frank.
[Laura
Leff] Yht - Did Harding win?
[yhtapmys]
And we had two remote boards.
[KayLhota]
I'll join you shortly, Frank.
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Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[yhtapmys]
One was an old tube board and the other was transistor,
[yhtapmys]
The tube board sounded great. The other sounded flat.
[Laura
Leff] There you go.
[Maxwell]
The cabinet helps, though, too.
[Laura
Leff] Tubes rule.
[Maxwell]
Wood resonates better than plastic.
[yhtapmys]
Geez, Laura, I'd done so many election nights, I can't remember which one.
[josef]
I think so.
[yhtapmys]
It wasn't Harding
[Laura
Leff] Yeah, my father soldered a lead on a 1932 Philco for me
[yhtapmys]
I'm working election night up here in October.
[Laura
Leff] and I'd use it when giving talks. Play the cassette player
through it.
[Laura
Leff] So no tubes but wood, and it sounded nice.
[ed]
i bought a '46 philco for $20 bucks
[KayLhota]
I've seen a lot of people do that with old radios.
[Laura
Leff] Ed - Good deal
[ed]
works like a charm
[Maxwell]
It's Philco Radio Time.
[josef]
nice
[ed]
and looks like one too
[Laura
Leff] Well, it's been a good time tonight...thanks for making it a
really solid chat!
[Laura
Leff] Any requests for the November show?
[KayLhota]
I've also seen old TV's with a new TV inside of it.
[Maxwell]
Thanksgiving...
[ed]
ball game 4-4 in the 7th
[KayLhota]
Yes, 1953 with Mel wanting to be a man
[steve
+shimp+] Should we do that surreal turkey trial episode?
[Laura
Leff] Woo hoo
[josef]
Kay, great episode
[KayLhota]
the turkey trial is good
[Laura
Leff] Turkey trial or Jack dreams he's a turkey?
[Laura
Leff] Or 1953 with Mel?
[KayLhota]
Frank hasn't ever heard the turkey trial
[yhtapmys]
Bea Benedaret as Tallulah Turkey!
[Laura
Leff] OK, turkey trial.
[steve
+shimp+] Turkey trial!
[Maxwell]
Cool!
[josef]
I can go with the Turkey trial
[ed]
what a great actress
[KayLhota]
I love the 1953 show. Maybe next year.
[Laura
Leff] Or maybe for December
[steve
+shimp+] What's the airdate on that Kay?
[Maxwell]
December should always be Mel committing suicide.
[Laura
Leff] Anyone know the year on the trial right off?
[Laura
Leff] 1947?
[KayLhota]
1953? I have to look it up
[Laura
Leff] Poor Mel
[Laura
Leff] Yeah, same here.
[Laura
Leff] OK, I'll look it up.
[steve
+shimp+] Yeah, not sure on the trial. '47 sounds about right.
[Laura
Leff] Thanks again, and I'll talk with you in November!
[Maxwell]
I just saw it, so my guess is around '47.
[KayLhota]
what would we do without vols 1 and 2?
[Maxwell]
(Going through Vol. 2 again)
[steve
+shimp+] OK, good night Laura and all, I am out of here too. Talk to
you next month.
[Laura
Leff] Maybe I'll hang a minute and let you find it for me
[yhtapmys]
Nov. 30.
[Maxwell]
LL Do you still have some copies of Vol. 2?
[Laura
Leff] Yht - 11/30/47?
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[josef]
Okay, good night everyone.
[Laura
Leff] Maxwell - Sure, plenty
[ed]
bye josef
[Maxwell]
Cool. I think I'll order one with a cover for my wife to give me for Christmas.
[josef]
bye
[KayLhota]
113047!
[yhtapmys]
Yes.
[Laura
Leff] Woo hoo!
[yhtapmys]
One of my favourites.
[KayLhota]
yes
[Laura
Leff] OK, thanks again and have a great month!
[KayLhota]
thanks so much
[yhtapmys]
Frank Nelson's great.
[Maxwell] So long!