IJBFC Chat and Happy Hours - August, 2020

 

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Sunday, August 2nd

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:56 PM

jell-o again folks, happy sunday August 2

 

garth_johnson  4:57 PM

Hi Kathy - Strange to have you talking in my ear and typing here

4:58

Have your recent Buck Benny inteview playing

 

Neil Ottenstein  4:59 PM

Hello

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:59 PM

yikes, it was fun yakking with Darrel

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:00 PM

Hi folks!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:00 PM

howdy, Laura!

5:01

so what was that you recently acquired, Laura, a large music box?

 

Tom V.  5:02 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Yes, it's a Regina.  I had bought a Polyphon on auction a while back and contented myself with that, but it was really a Regina that I had wanted all these years.

5:03

Hi Tom!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:03 PM

Nice

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Hello, anyone,

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

well, hooray! How many different music discs did it come with?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Polyphon was made in Germany, and they started Regina in the US because it was cheaper to make their music boxes here rather than import them.

5:04

Kathy - 15!  Haven't even unwrapped all of them yet.

 

Tom V.  5:04 PM

Hi Laura, Kathy, Neil, Garth, Rodrigo and anyone else I missed.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

way cool, Laura!

5:04

hello Tom and all!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

The tone on this Regina is better than my Polyphon, so I'll sell the latter at some point.

5:04

Hi Rodrigo!

5:04

How's everyone doing tonight?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:05 PM

Doing okay. I monitored 4 spacecraft maneuvers earlier today.  Everything went well.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Neil - Are you working for NASA or SpaceX?  You know Jack was a big space exploration fan.

 

beverly_bennett  5:05 PM

Hello all!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Hi Beverly!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:06 PM

A NASA contractor at Goddard Space Flight Center. Though I've been  working from home of late

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:07 PM

well, keep 'em flying, Neil! It was great to see the splashdown!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Neil - As have many of us.  Good for you!  I salute you on behalf of my parents, who were both in aerospace engineering.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:07 PM

it was nice they were able to do that

5:07

Thanks

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Not sure if you saw the interview I did with grandson Michael about attending the Apollo 11 launch, and watching the moon landing at the White House

 

garth_johnson  5:08 PM

Neil - Always remember where the switch for Signal Conditioning Equipment is located - don't  need your network connection going out .

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:08 PM

I haven't

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:08 PM

And my father had a wonderful story about being at the Apollo 13 launch.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:08 PM

Cool

 

garth_johnson  5:08 PM

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:09 PM

I remember seeing that picture during the recent Apollo documentary that aired for the anniversary

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

For a while I had a card from an Apollo launch on my desk that was signed by Jack.  I think it was...Apollo 9?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

When hung over, Harris nothing better than Grape-Nuts Flakes!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Wah wahhhhh

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

Jack wrote that.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Or at least his character did

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

On the show I'm listening, he made Don include Dennis and Phil in the commercial.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Plenty of a corn in those grapes

5:12

Ah ha!

5:12

Hey Kathy - How's the scanning going?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

Now he's announcing "The Raspberry... Horn Blows at Midnight".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

Raspberry Horn...the kind you'd find in a secondhand store

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

thanks for asking, Laura! First scrapbook is all done, I start on the Second tomorrow! Can't wait for us to be able to share the images!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

And how are the reviews of the script book?

 

garth_johnson  5:14 PM

I will not berry-ate ll for that - I'm not a prince of a guy

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

everybody seems to love the scripts book, and I am so grateful!!! Ben Ohmart the publisher wants to start right in on volume 2, and I am ready to go!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

I was waiting for a Prince pun from someone... 

5:15

Kathy - OutSTANDING!  I can't wait for the 1935 scripts to be out!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:15 PM

every day is like Christmas when I scan pages of Barbara Thunell's scrapbook, you turn the page and go....wow, and hooray!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

I had designs on doing that sort of thing myself, and it's really gratifying to see someone else take the reins on it.  UCLA being a pain in various anatomical parts just wore me out and killed my motivation.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

I was just thinking that 1932 was one of the few years in which Jack Benny was broadcasting new shows in August. You all will LOVE August-SEpt-October 1932 scripts, very inventive

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

Kathy - By the way, I've been talking with Paul about the interface...slowly.  So don't think that's dying on the vine.

5:17

Kathy - That's about when they were developing the Mary-Jack storyline, right?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:17 PM

well, it won't sell a million copies, but I am VERY grateful to publisher Ben Ohmart for investing the funds to do all the typing and page production! It looks swell (IMHO)

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

It looks better than Garbo's shoes...or Gable's ears....or George Bernard Shaw's beard.

5:18

You know, why the heck did Conn do so many Shaw jokes?  I just have a hard time thinking that Shaw was that big in pop culture.

5:18

It strikes me as him trying to be a "literary elite"...or at least snotty.

5:19

Or pretentious

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:19 PM

Yes, folks, in August-SEptember 1932, Mary and Jack flirt, fight, and fall in love, and confess undying  love to each other! (when not interrupted by an announcer yelling about Canada Dry). They very soon figured out that this was not conducive to continuing comedy, and she started chasing boys in Olsen's orchestra within the next episode or two

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:19 PM

Interesting

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

Yep!  That declaration of undying love scene in the taxi warmed the cockles of my heart when I first read it!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:20 PM

GB Shaw was the HIT of the early talkie newsreels, he was old and curmudgeony and said delightful things, so the newsreels ate it up, that is why Jack's show talks about him so much. The same with Gandhi's loincloth, he was in the newsreels A LOT

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:20 PM

And about that time they were pre-empted for a Herbert Hoover speech, weren't they?

5:21

Kathy - Ok, thank you!  That never occurred to me.  I figured Gandhi would be in the news and thus known, but I didn't think about Shaw being that pervasive.

5:21

He was the grumpy Gore Vidal of his time.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:22 PM

haha "grumpy Gore Vidal" is a great line! Its fun to realize that everyday audiences went to the movies AND listened to radio. "academic scholar" study the two media entirely separately, but people back in the day enjoyed them all at the same time...

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/g-b-s-as-incorrigibly-humorous-as-ever

britishpathe.com

G.B.S. As Incorrigibly Humorous As Ever

British Pathe, the world's leading multimedia resource with a history stretching back over a century. The finest and most comprehensive archive of fabulous footage and stunning stills.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Oh fun!  Noted for future viewing!

5:24

Well, I love Gore Vidal and his turn of phrase, and I think I've seen more GBS lines in "The Pocket Curmudgeon" than anyone else...although Fred Allen and Oscar Levant get plenty as well.

5:24

What else Benny-wise before we go to the show?

5:25

Let's do it!  If you join the chat during the show, please go to the above link!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:26 PM

Yeah, Goodman Ace and Jane air

6:26

Thoughts on the show?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:26 PM

This certainly wasn't the last time Jack would write a song, but it wasn't the first...

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:26 PM

Was looking at the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Moon

Wikipedia

June Moon

June Moon is a play by George S. Kaufman and Ring Lardner. Based on the Lardner short story "Some Like Them Cold," about a love affair that loses steam before it ever gets started, it includes songs with words and music by Lardner but is not considered a musical per se. (43 kB)

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:26 PM

Has anyone else seen "The Songwriters' Revue"?

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:27 PM

Interestingly enough Lee Patrick reprised her Broadway role as Eileen

 

Tom V.  6:27 PM

I'm thankful that Jack didn't sing much on his shows!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:27 PM

Even tho Jack's intent that time was to demonstrate how easy it was to write a "pop" song.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:27 PM

Rodrigo - I confess I've seen excerpts...need to watch the whole thing!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:28 PM

Wait a sec...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:28 PM

Tom - I always get the sense that Jack was self-conscious that he didn't sing well

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:28 PM

Here's the entire short:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhasDXd6XGs&t=809s

YouTube | GoodOldDays

The Song Writers' Revue (1930) 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:28 PM

I'll make that the opening cartoon next time!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:29 PM

Didn't realize "Me and My Shadow" had such melancholy lyrics, having only heard the Sinatra/Davis version.

 

garth_johnson  6:30 PM

1930 - MGM - The Songwriters Review - 439-11 - Jack Benny and Dave Dreyer

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:30 PM

Rodrigo - Oh, you need to see the Don and Harlow version.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:30 PM

It's only... a little old shanty... in that old, old shanty town...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

I was going to say it was popularized by Bert Williams, but I think that I'm confusing it with the melancholy lyrics of his signature song, "Nobody."

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:31 PM

Look at the roof... so slanty, that it nearly touches the ground.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

I'm thinking I learned that song from Ted Lewis...

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:31 PM

How's that for a Ted Lewis impression?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

Is everybody happy?

 

garth_johnson  6:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNqudYjDqc

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:32 PM

Wonder if "Shanty in Old Shanty Town" was featured in any Canada Dry shows...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:32 PM

Oh well done, Garth!

6:32

Rodrigo- There's a pun in there somewhere

 

garth_johnson  6:32 PM

I can do things other than posting youtube links

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:33 PM

Thanks Garth Blanc

6:33

Other thoughts on the show?

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:34 PM

I wonder how much they rehearsed that

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:34 PM

Haven't found the pun, Laura...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:34 PM

Hmmmm...that's a good question!

6:34

Rodrigo - I'll let you know when/if I do

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:35 PM

"A Shanty in Old Shanty Town" was a popular hit in the summer/early fall of 1932.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:35 PM

Neil - Jack would have been rehearsing for his own show as well, since this wasn't done in the summer.  So I'd bet it was limited.  But I also thought that Welles was a perfectionist and wouldn't tolerate that.

6:36

We need a Welles scholar to say how much he rehearsal he demanded for radio.

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:37 PM

Yes, a conflict there.  They made it seem that Jack was doing a lot off the cuff, but I can't see Welles letting that happen.

 

garth_johnson  6:37 PM

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:37 PM

There had to be some give and take on the tone between the two of them

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:37 PM

Maybe they did a little warm-up in the 20-25 minutes between the Jell-O show ended and the Campbell program began.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:37 PM

You can tell that Jack's ad libbing a couple times, but I don't see Jack being up for much of that either.

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:37 PM

Nice photo

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:38 PM

It was a good thing the NBC and CBS studios were facing each other.

6:38

As Mel Blanc and Phil can testify.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:38 PM

Thanks for that reminder, Garth.  I was suspecting that Jack had at least a small contribution from his own writers.  And there's Bill Morrow.

6:39

Rodrigo - Exactly (running back and forth between studios).

 

garth_johnson  6:39 PM

1940 - American radio director, actor and playwright Orson Welles (1915 - 1985) sits at a table, smoking his pipe, with his star, comedian Jack Benny (1894 - 1974), standing, center, and others during rehearsal of 'June Moon' at the KNX radio station for the CBS Campbell Playhouse broadcast, Hollywood, California, March 24, 1940. From left: Bill Morrow (standing, writer for Jack Benny); Welles; Benny Rubin sitting behind Welles); Benny;  Ernest Chappell (seated at table across from Welles); Jack Beloin (sitting facing camera, another Benny writer). Foreground: Orson?s cast (L-R) Bill Alland, Lee Patrick (center) and Bea Benaderet.  (Photo by CBS Photo Archive/Getty Images)

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:39 PM

Of course it could be that Orson Welles told Jack he could put together a few of those mini-segments himself

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:39 PM

Jack Beloin.  ED Beloin!

 

garth_johnson  6:40 PM

I don't write 'em - I just paste them into the scrapbook

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:40 PM

Oh I know...not meaning to carp at you.

6:40

I think I said this a few weeks ago, but I don't think that's Ed Beloin.

6:41

Looks more like Hickey Marks to me, but I don't know why he'd have been there other than the possibility he'd lost yet another job.

6:43

OK, shall we call it good for this week?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:43 PM

Did anyone else see that drawing in the Facebook group? It was by the same artist who did the "Pin the Tobacco Leaf on the Comedian" one.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:43 PM

Oh yes, saw those two!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:43 PM

Eddie Cantor looked like Esky.

6:43

The mascot from Esquire.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:43 PM

Esky?

6:43

Oh right

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:44 PM

And did George Burns ever have curly hair?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:44 PM

He does on some of his sheet music too

6:44

I think of his hair in the early-mid 30s as wavy

6:44

But he had nothin' on Phil Harris

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:45 PM

He directed the orchestra with a curling iron...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:45 PM

And when he got tired of that, he gave it to Mahlon Merrick

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:45 PM

At least he wasn't Lyman. He used a blackjack as a baton.

 

garth_johnson  6:45 PM

Burns - And  Allens Circa 1933

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:46 PM

Wonder if Whiteman used a pork chop or a chicken leg...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:46 PM

Looks like George has it slicked down there

6:46

I'm thinking of a...well...Campbell's Tomato Juice ad I have on the wall downstairs.

6:46

I'll post a photo of it later.

6:47

OK, let's call it a wrap for this week.  Thanks for joining, and we'll have a happy hour next week!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:47 PM

Good night.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:47 PM

Stay safe and stay strong, folks!

 

garth_johnson  6:47 PM

With three you get pancakes

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:47 PM

Thanks for the fun

 

Tom V.  6:48 PM

Goodnight folks.  Always a pleasure!

Sunday, August 9th

 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:54 PM

jell-o everyone!

 

garth_johnson  4:57 PM

Greetings Ladies and gentlemen is every one ready for another hour of entertainment about Canada Dry Ginger Ale now available Made-To-Order by the Glass at soda fountains everywhere and JELL-O, with that locked in flavour now setting up in your fridge for that fine, that light, that mild after dinner desert with no loose ends?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:58 PM

have you ever made jello with Canada Dry or other soda? I don't find that the bubbles last in the gelatin, but maybe I am making it incorrectly.

4:58

Hello Garth!

4:58

Hey Garth, would you like a link to the scrapbooks I am scanning? You of all people deserve a first look!

 

garth_johnson  4:58 PM

Vodka is _the_ only liquid substitute for my Jell-o

4:59

Sure - pass on the link

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:59 PM

Hi folks!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:59 PM

the first 3 I have seen are marvelous! Barbara scoured an amazing number of sources, do not know where she found some of this stuff

4:59

Howdy Laura!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:00 PM

Garth - My first roommate in CA made it with a variety of mixes

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:00 PM

Well I was just emoting about the wonders hidden in Barbara's scrapbooks that we can make more widely known : )

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:00 PM

Orange and peach jello with vodka and peach schnapps

5:00

lemon and lime jello with tequila and margarita schnapps

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:01 PM

fraternity brothers used grain and sometimes Maneshevevevitz

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:01 PM

Kathy - Yes indeedy!  I need to see how Paul's doing on the upload

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

Say, Mr. Benny. On the way home can we...?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:01 PM

Kathy - Yowza

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:01 PM

Good evening

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

Oh, hullo.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:01 PM

Hi Rodrigo, hi Neil!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

Thanks, fellas.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:02 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is Orson Welles

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:02 PM

haha and I am his secretary ms so and so....you all should behave (haha)

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

Has the microphone been sanitized LL

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Hark, I hear the cannons roar, is it Mr. Welles approaching?

5:03

Hey Kathy, tell us more about the fun you've found in Barbara's scrapbooks!

 

garth_johnson  5:03 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Man, Irving may not have been his agent back then, but you wouldn't know it!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:04 PM

any idea who the artist is?

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

Kathy - Man-o-Man what a hangover that would be

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Looks like Ripley

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

Too much sanitizer LL??

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:05 PM

oh gosh  Laura, I will sound like Stephan on Saturday Night Live News,,,,,,the hot new place is Scrapbook Number 1, where you can learn about Jack's summer 1950 tour, Joan's first divorce, every mention of Jack in the trades, and things that will never be scanned by newspapers.com

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:05 PM

The Quaker ad is from 1943. Jack was supposed to start the season on Oct. 3.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:06 PM

Yes, it does look the old Ripley comic strips

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:06 PM

really, they are WONDERFUL and I so appreciate all the things Barbara collected.... its more than you can get on any digitized source yet, or in Benny's Wyoming collection!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

I know it sounds strange considering Jack was working for Grape-Nuts.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

Rodrigo - True, but I'm assuming General Foods owned both brands?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:07 PM

Turns out I'm wrong, Oct. 3 did fall on a Sunday in 48...

 

garth_johnson  5:07 PM

In colour

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

well, the ad agency probably got the right to publicize Jack across everything the agency owned (like all General Foods products)

5:08

this does not explain RC cola until we learn who their ad agency was!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Trouble is... Quaker was not owned by General Foods.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:08 PM

R&R or BBDO?  Too early for BBDO

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Lord and Thomas apparently.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Good one, Rodrigo

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

well, money talks!!!!! So any deal that agency or sponsor or brother in law works out, was cool

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

It's In The Bag - and in the Fridge --- RC was my cola of the 80's

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:09 PM

Nice

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

So Ruthrauff and Ryan had RC Cola?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

also, Jello or the main sponsor would be less upset about a celebrity plug for a product considered very different...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

The "Shot from Guns" thing contributed to the confusion over the ad.

5:10

That's something you'd expect from a wartime ad, not one from 1948.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

Well, guns were for the war effort, so puffed rice must have been ray-shunned

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

ad agency history and the history of advertising is fascinating! my favorite book is Roland Marchand, Advertising the American Dream

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

I remember a 1950s beer ad with Fred. Was it Schlitz?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

and Cynthia Meyers, A Word From our Sponsor: A history of admen in radio

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

A lot of celebs plugged for Schlitz in the 50s.  I think I have a Groucho Marx ad for them

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

The "Ol Bassoon" was wearing glasses and was in front of a radio mike.

5:11

Even tho he had already left radio by then.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Kathy - So noted.  I've had the recent book about Advertising Musicals in my Amazon shopping list for over a year now.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

ooooh I want to read that one, too!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

The ad was from 1954. "The Big Show" ended in 52,

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

Marchand adn Meyers are my best go-to books, fun to read even if academic

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

When Marty and I were working on Volume 3, he asked me to go to the Stanford Library to go through the trades and find some articles for him.  Those ad trades were fascinating reading.

5:13

The striking thing to me were the obits.  Guys dying in their 30s from all sorts of tragic things.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

and now you can find all the trades online -- hooray : )  it has transformed my research

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

Indeed!  I did not know that!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

Laura oh yes!!!! The people part is fascinating too

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

OK, I have to ask.  Who else here got seriously honked off by the portrayal of Don Draper inventing "It's Toasted" for Lucky Strike in the first Mad Men episode?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:14 PM

What?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

everybody     www.mediashist.org

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

I was yelling at the TV like a sports fan whose team had just given up three walks and a grand slam.

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

Dancing with the stars ???

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

Kathy - OK, glad to know that Marty and I weren't alone.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:15 PM

That's the first time I hear about somebody inventing something that had existed for 40 years before.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

Rodrigo - And that's why I got honked off about it.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:15 PM

and www.worldradiohistory.com

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

I remember seeing a Sunday comic ad with Jack and Mary from c. 1937.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

I mean, I know I'm a nerd and all, but that was like having a 1980s car drive by outside the bar.

5:17

Rodrigo - And I have ads featuring George Gershwin (who died in 1937) with it plugging Luckies

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:17 PM

of course! Don Draper invented NOTHING -- but for the bozos who knew nothing about advertising history, they learned a few things. Don Draper didn't invent the "Teach the world to sing" Coke ad, on the last episode, either!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Oh spoiler alert...I loved that series so much that I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the end of it yet.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:17 PM

ooooh Laura I love the irony of Gershwin on smoking, right before his tumor...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

Kathy - True, but I believe that was a brain tumor, not lung.

5:18

Don Wilson was Gershwin's announcer BTW

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:19 PM

so....our Univerity of Texas archive recently got all the materials from "Mad Men" including the historical research they did. We hope to put on a conference, and my presentation will be "YOU GUYS GOT IT ALL WRONG!" hahaha

5:19

well, dead is dead, poor guy....

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

The thing is, Matt Weiner's staff has worked with Marty subsequently to ensure that they're being authentic.  I'm told he's usually really careful about that.

5:19

Kathy - And tragically young. Didn't even make it to 39.

5:20

Kathy - Oh indeed, so Marty was misinformed about their historical research?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:20 PM

well, the scriptwriters will want to create narrative hooks, big HIGHS to hang plot things on. The Luckies ad, and then the Kodak carousel slide projector, were good hooks

5:20

narrative trumps history hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:20 PM

True.  Print the legend.

5:21

I think I told you that I had another author try to pick a fight with me at a radio convention over the spelling of Mary's real first name.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:21 PM

haha you got it, Laura! That is a John Ford line, and one of my new projects is all about exploding that JFord myth hahha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:22 PM

Probably not many people would have gotten the "Reach for a Lucky Instead of a Sweet".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:22 PM

Don't tell me that Orson Welles didn't watch Stagecoach like 50 times before shooting Kane...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:22 PM

oh please! everything and every factoid has an opposite, and we can choose to die on whatever hills we want, or admit that everything has several versions, like spellings of Sadye! or Sadie or Saide!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Well, he was mansplaining to me about how it WAS "Sadie" because blah blah blah blah

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:23 PM

Or when Sadye, Sadie or whatever name was actually born.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

Rodrigo I show that Luckies instead of a sweet ad with the large lady on horseback, and they gasp today at the fat shaming!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Imagine him standing over me and me sitting at my little vendor table

5:23

Him going blah, blah, blah, blah and me with my chin on my palm looking at him.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

yikes Laura, you are brave and resilient! And we shall overcome the old men of old...

 

garth_johnson  5:24 PM

From the desk of GB himself

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

And without changing my gaze, I reached to my right and grabbed a newsletter and flipped it up so he was looking at the back cover.

5:24

Which had a picture of Mary circa 1928 signed, "Love, Sadye"

5:25

Took him a while to take notice of it and process what I was showing him.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:25 PM

Well, Sadye might have had several birthdates, but they weren't stretched away like Gracie's (1894 or 1906?)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:25 PM

hahaha you are wonderful, Laura! As are all the terrific members of this group : )

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:25 PM

And he finally sniffed at it and said something like, "Well, it was eventually Anglicized and so now THAT'S the truth."

5:25

But...here's the thing

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:25 PM

Of course

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:25 PM

We were both right.

5:26

On her birth record, it's Sadie.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:26 PM

YES, multiple "right"s

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

I think she started doing Sadye to be more "exotic" or whatever

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:26 PM

Well, it was 1928...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:26 PM

Jack was no different!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

You are correct!

5:27

Bennie Benny

5:27

Ben K. Benny

5:27

Ben Bernie...oops

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

Yowsa! Yowsa! Yowsa!

 

garth_johnson  5:27 PM

Benjamin Kribelsky

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:27 PM

Jack Denny

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:27 PM

Jack Benny

5:27

Chad DEnby

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

"I feel like a feather in the breeze..."

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:28 PM

Jack Bunny

 

garth_johnson  5:28 PM

Finally found it

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:28 PM

Good job, Garth...that's the photo I showed him.  I have the original gifted to me by a member of the family.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:28 PM

"I love to singa,

about the moon-a and the June-a and the spring-a".

5:29

Jack was right!

 

garth_johnson  5:29 PM

Not her most glamourous pic.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:29 PM

Pre-nose job

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:29 PM

You need a moon, June and spring in a popular song...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:29 PM

But those pouty 1920s lips

5:29

June Moo-hoo-hoon

5:29

Actually, this is a perfect lead in to the show for tonight

5:29

"show"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:29 PM

yay

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:30 PM

OK

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:30 PM

https://w2g.tv/mbrm7osc3l5p85x3t9

w2g.tv

Let's meet on Watch2Gether

Watch2Gether lets you watch videos with your friends, synchronized at the same time. (5 kB)

https://w2g.tv/static/watch2gether-share.jpg

5:30

If anyone joins the chat during the show, please join at the above link!

 

garth_johnson  5:30 PM

Lets Dive in

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

Thoughts?

5:52

And am I crazy, or wasn't there a ballet for Wedding of the Painted Doll?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:52 PM

Jack brushing away Babe Click was a bit weird

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

Neil - Yes, it comes off as very rude.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:53 PM

Indeed

 

garth_johnson  5:53 PM

Not something Merv would have mentioned when he interviewed Jack

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:53 PM

It is almost a movie version of the early Canada Dry shows though

5:53

Arthur Freed standing in for Paul Small.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:54 PM

So Jack was speaking Yiddish with Dreyer.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

Sometimes it's a little hard to tell Yiddish from German, but I'm sure Jack heard plenty of Yiddish growing up with Orthodox parents

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:55 PM

I thought it was one of those Eastern European languages considering the joke that Dreyer was Russian...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

Well, I can assure you it wasn't Russian.

5:56

I'd have to listen to it a couple more times to figure out the translation.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:56 PM

I know Jack said "ring" at one point.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:57 PM

I'll have to listen to it again.  And I have to go find that missing ballet.  I'm watching a pretty clear version of it in my head, and I know I didn't make it up.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:57 PM

Maybe those were the Albertina Rasch dancers.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:58 PM

one of the other youtube links was for something that might have been it?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:58 PM

Neil - Yes, they have a few copies up there.  I'll have to look around.

5:58

Garth - Does IMDB credit the dancers?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:58 PM

The Rasch troupe appeared on lots of early MGM musicals, primarily shorts.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

Good job...I had to look up the name

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:59 PM

Only a bunch of selfs and a member of the chorus and the sandman

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

Maybe someday we'll have to pull this file out of the MGM archives

6:00

OK, top of the hour.  Anything else Benny-wise to discuss tonight?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:00 PM

Listened to the show tonight...

6:00

There was another duet between Mary and Phil.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:00 PM

Rodrigo - I think you were the one who inspired it!

 

garth_johnson  6:00 PM

... somebody page me ---- busy rewatching my older copy of the short --- didn't see anything different

6:01

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020432/fullcredits?ref_=ttloc_ql_1

IMDb

The Song Writers' Revue (1929) - IMDb

The Song Writers' Revue (1929) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:01 PM

Oh you're listening to late 30s shows

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:01 PM

Dennis wanted to change his surname to Hassenpfeffer.

 

garth_johnson  6:01 PM

Ann Dvorak only (un) credited dancer

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:02 PM

And... is it me, or were tattoos a fad in the early-mid 40s?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:02 PM

Oh ironic...she married Dennis' brother, didn't she?  Or am I confusing my Anns?

 

garth_johnson  6:02 PM

Ann Blyth

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:02 PM

Imagine that... Dennis Legally Hassenpfeffer...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:02 PM

Rodrigo - I think that was because of the military

6:02

Garth - Thank you.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:03 PM

And Jack told how he got in the Navy in 1917.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

OK, thanks for stopping and enjoying the fun.  See you next week!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:03 PM

Good night.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

Rodrigo - Which I'm sure is not based on the truth!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:03 PM

I'm sure he wasn't stationed at Terminal Island.

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:03 PM

Thanks. Have a good week

 

garth_johnson  6:04 PM

Dennis was in the pacific

Sunday, August 16th

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:56 PM

jell-o again folks!

 

garth_johnson  4:57 PM

Good evening

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:57 PM

Hiya Garth! I sure do love your new database!

 

garth_johnson  4:58 PM

And when I plug in the "more recent" clippings, you can date the pictures by their captions

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:58 PM

wow, you are amazing

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

This has been a project about 9 years in the making --- I finally found a plug-in for the content management software I use that will take in a small spreadsheet and automagically make it appear as an article

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:00 PM

so Garth. do you follow any other entertainers to the extent you do Benny? Your level of knowledge is SO extraordinary!!!!

5:01

and how did YOU get interested in Jack Benny, Garth? I imagine we are about the same age...

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

No --- I got hooked on Jack or is that Jacked on Benny back in the '70s and nobody else interests me to the same degree of fananticizm

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

haha that is wonderful, same for me (except for my early film history jonesing haha)

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:03 PM

Good evening

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Hello, anybody...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Hi folks!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

Hello Neil! I hope the weather is OK where you are (108 here in Austin Texas ugh)

5:03

well, the gang's all here, hello Rodrigo and Laura!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:03 PM

We've had rain the past two days, took the temperature from high 80s/90s to the mid-70s

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

I had the sniffles the other day and got some cough drops made in Los Angeles.

(this didn't really happen)

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Gee Garth...would you be open to me connecting you to the person who offered to do the IJBFC database?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

Rodrigo, that I hope is better than smudge pots!

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

The igloo has reached a cozy 84, I may have to go to the root celler where it's 20 degrees cooler - until I turn on the Phil Harris

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:05 PM

well, all I can hope for is better in September!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

I'm told we had a tremendous thunderstorm here this morning...very unusual for this area.  The thunder woke me up a number of times.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:06 PM

Laura atleast its not a fire tornado!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

Amen

5:06

Kathy - I hear there was a shooting in your area, just reported.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

Can you think about another Harris-ism?

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

LL - Sure -- I hate databases, but doesn't everybody

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

In the Austin area, I mean.

5:06

Garth - Too true.  At least all the semi-organized hoarders do. 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:06 PM

yep, crazy person about 2 miles from here, shooting up people who approached his house. Lord love the USA....

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Kathy - Good Gawd

5:07

When the house next door to mine was rented, the tenant posted a rant on the fence that anyone approaching the house would be shot.

5:08

So we have our share of loons out here too.

5:08

OK, back to Benny.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

I had been in charge of investigating sexual assualts on the UT campus, and very glad the VIRUS now keeps people apart from one another, but there is no accounting for folks with weapons. Luckily that is out of my jurisdiction

5:08

hooray back to Benny!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Kathy - Good thing you're not in Georgia.  I'll let you see that one for yourself.

5:09

So tell us about this database, Garth!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

I have never been more grateful for the first research leave in 28 years, starting TUESDAY!!!! yay!

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

Well as many people know I collect image files of Benny and his associates

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

Garth is building wonderful things

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Hallelujah!  As Jack would tell you, timing is everything.

 

garth_johnson  5:10 PM

Well It got kind of big

5:10

So when data management is a problem you toss everything into one big box and forget a bout it

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

I have my share of that right here in this room.

 

garth_johnson  5:11 PM

thats what I did - there is a Content management system called Joomla - runs nicely on old computer hardware and has the benifit of being free

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:11 PM

Then you can go excavating later and wonder at what you have (edited) 

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Neil - I do that with regularity!

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

So I managed to mung a bunch of my newspaper clipping files from 1908 to 1919 into something of a reasonable order and tossed them into Joomla

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

Ah, metadata

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

Out pops what I am working with in a format that is somewhat presentable

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

Mairzy doats and dozy doats...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

"mung", like he said, yah (says Dennis)

 

garth_johnson  5:14 PM

over at my own server http://96.55.108.171/cms is where select people can find things, but be warned it is fluid - some times not there - as I am not running a proper Dev/Ops environment on my hobby

96.55.108.171

Home

A collection of material related to the career of the forever 39-year-old entertainer, Jack Benny.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

Garth you are a technological genius!!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

If you want, I just bought a subscription to some cloud space to house a similar effort.  Happy to have you put it there if you'd like!

5:15

And that should take care of your DevOps issue.

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

Currently its just  the newspaper clippings, but after some processing I'll add the magazines etc...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

and Neil, Rodrigo and other folks, there is more COOL stuff coming, as Laura is allowing me to scan the amazing scrapbooks assembled by member Barbara Thunell over a 50 year period, yay!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

Sounds like we're all working towards similar ends!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:16 PM

Nice

 

garth_johnson  5:16 PM

Dev/Ops is easily solved - do the development on my little Raspberry Pi and leave the 4th Gen I5 with 4 TB of storage handle the Benny stuff

5:17

As I say --- this is a hobby

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Fair enough.  And I respect your desire to keep it on your own server.

5:17

OK, anything else or should we go to the show?

 

garth_johnson  5:18 PM

We want Benny! We Want Benny! We Want Benny!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

I haven't previewed these video files, so I hope they work.

5:18

If you join while the chat is in progress, please join us at the above link!

5:19

Er, while the show is in progress...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:48 PM

I never... I never... I never... I never saw that coming.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:48 PM

that was loads of fun

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

Wish I could have truly watched it with you!

 

garth_johnson  5:48 PM

Think of what fun a MP3 player would be

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:48 PM

quite a surprise.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

I've had so many people comment to me on that episode.

5:49

Saying how it gave them nightmares, etc.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:49 PM

not surprised

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

Other thoughts on the show?

 

garth_johnson  5:50 PM

Carson was better than Rock Hudson in the Hugh Downs variation

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:51 PM

has Jack done that android Jack joke other times?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

Yes

5:51

people often call it the Benny bot

5:51

There are a couple other episodes where the sponsor says they're going to save money by replacing Jack with a robot

5:52

People often wonder if it's hanging around some prop room in CBS still.

5:52

I think they use the same bot

 

garth_johnson  5:52 PM

Close the door

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:53 PM

What else?  Nice to see Johnny showing off his range of skills

5:53

Oh yes, and Senor Wences!

5:53

That was the 1959 special

5:53

But that's not a bot, that's just Jack sitting in a cabinet.

5:54

Anything else?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:54 PM

there's a 1955 Jack Benny episode with an even younger Johnny Carson

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

I almost picked that one, but wanted the one with the bot to see people's reactions.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

the bot definitely was great to see

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

OK, let's call it good for this week, and I'll see you all next week!  Stay cool and thanks for stopping!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:55 PM

Good night.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

thanks