IJBFC Chat and Happy Hours - July, 2020

 

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Sunday, July 5th

   

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:54 PM

Well, I must be the first one here on Sunday July 5th. Howdy, anybody.

 

garth_johnson  4:54 PM

Greetings, old friends, and welcome to our program, new friends. This is Jack Benny,

folks—Benny, B like in Broke, E like in Ego, N like in Pneumonia and the other N,

line in Double Pneumonia and Y line in Yolin. Anyway, to make a long story short,

this is Jack Benny.

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:55 PM

Have you ever seen Thorgersen?

 

garth_johnson  4:55 PM

I think that was a well scripted opening line

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:55 PM

Yolin, indeed. I hear Mickey Mouse might be missing his tail..

4:56

I wonder if Jack did that in vaudeville, would anybody live in a theater have cared? I think that is a particularly RADIO kind of line.

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:56 PM

I was in Hollywood once. Ever saw "Hollywood Revue"?

 

garth_johnson  4:56 PM

I wish I had it --- mouse problems for me right now -- have to get a wired one this wireless is fubard

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:57 PM

My best news is that I got all the rest of the John Crosby columns read, my homework for yesterday is finished. I can watch Hamilton tonight!

 

garth_johnson  4:57 PM

Now to try this wireless one from the spares box

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:58 PM

I think Hollywood revue is fascintating. Joan Crawford dances like a horse, and John Gilbert has an OK voice

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:59 PM

Olsen's uncle was advised by his doctor to avoid overwork, so he took a job as a garbageman in Scotland!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:59 PM

If you mean the 1929 film. There is disappointingly SO LITTLE to see in Hollywood! I first got there when I was a loser on the Jeopardy TV show. and Hollywood and Vine is so nothing.

4:59

I understand Olsen drives a Saxon.'

 

garth_johnson  4:59 PM

Haven't seen Mr B's movies in awhile --- today watched Airport 1970

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:00 PM

is that the one with Barbara Billingsley talking jive? Oh maybe that is Airplane

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

Surely you can't get the two confused

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

Get a grip on yourself, lady!

5:01

(SMACK!)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:01 PM

I watched some episodes of "Drunk History" in preparation for Hamilton. And I wonder what "Drunk radio history" would be like..... Jack Benny flew in on a flaming pie...

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:01 PM

one is the satire of the other

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

Cue the long line with people wielding blunt objects.

5:01

Oh, hello Neil.

 

garth_johnson  5:01 PM

Yes - and don't call me Shirley

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:01 PM

Hello everyone

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:01 PM

Hello Neil! How are you? What have you been up to, safely, on July 4th holiday

5:02

I adore Airplane, we need more unabashed silliness

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:02 PM

nothing much.  I did listen to a couple A Day in the Life of Dennis Day. He was amusing as usual

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

Be like Leslie  --- don't go anywhere without your Whoopie Cushion

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Hey folks

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

hello Laura!!!!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:03 PM

Howdy Laura

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Good crowd tonight!

 

garth_johnson  5:03 PM

Hey Laura --- ask me the shape of the world

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Garth, what's the shape of the world?  Lousy!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Hello, Laura.

I forgot to mention one of the reasons classic comedy is often forgotten: too "mean spirited". Occasional political incorrectness aside, there is not much pathos (or "forced drama two thirds into the movie").

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Hey Rodrigo!

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

Better knowing there are people like you in it (to paraphrase a Marx)

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Garth - 

5:04

Hi Kathy!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

Jack's show was a prime example you don't need pathos to have an enjoyable comedy. They only got serious in New Year's

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

Hope you are doing well, Laura, any turkeys in your backyard lately?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

And when Dennis left for the Navy.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Not today, but I've seen some while driving down the hill.

5:05

They've been having a hard time getting masks out here, so I think they're staying in more.

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

I got my new laptop and the problem with provisioning it for the network is giving it a name --- I thought about "Left Luggage", but decided since I was having a problem to call it "Blanc"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:05 PM

the turkeys are smarter than many humans, I understand

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Rodrigo - And sometimes on occasions like Ronald Colman's toast to the world.

5:05

Kathy - I would say so.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

Oh, and Jack's 1946 speech

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:06 PM

Garth, glad if you have some new hardware

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

Well, Laura. Let me put things in context:

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

Garth - Ironically when I tried to set up DSL about 20 years ago, I kept trying to call my network nbcblue.  I ripped out half my hair over it, and finally made some changes and called it nbcred.  Then it worked.

5:06

Rodrigo - I love that speech.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:07 PM

glad your hair has been growing back. Laura

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Yes.  20 years does wonders.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

it felt like 20 years until I got mine snipped on thursday, hooray

 

garth_johnson  5:08 PM

I have been enjoying that weight of paper. Lifting that TV book is good exercise for my frozen shoulder

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Just in case you did not see it, a couple of weeks back, Kathy told us her students had no interest on pre-1990 comedy and I commented on how people saw classic comedy as either too bland, cerebral or surrealistic to be considered "enjoyable".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:08 PM

Garth - I think I told you that there were jokes about giving away a hernia truss with Volume 3!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

how IS your shoulder doing, Garth? My Kenny took about 6 months and then it felt better

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

And how Jack's show filled all three criteria.

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

Yes --- a little side note -- each volume was printed on sequential days

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

I confess I still need to archive off the prior happy hours.  I'll catch up then.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

its a mighty strong binding, to hold it together. My Volume 1 is falling apart through over-use hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

I should do custom hardbound versions for the hardcore researchers.  Including myself.

5:09

Well, let's not tar all pre-1990 comedy with the same brush.

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

Kathy - I was able to clean the gutters this morning, so things are normalizing  still stiff in the mornings

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

hooray that you are starting the slow recovery process, Garth!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

You can pick up a Captain Billy's Whiz Bang and the jokes are kind of lame.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

1. Jack never did bawdy jokes like Cantor, except in 1932-33.

2. The show often made obscure cultural references

3. You all know how cartoony the show got post-1944.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

Jack did bawdy jokes in 1932?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

One of my new kittens used figured out how to climb up the back of my shirt to my shoulder, with his claws, so I will have new symptoms to report in a few weeks, hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Jack did bawdy jokes in Las Vegas and Reno.

 

garth_johnson  5:11 PM

no - Jack did jokes Badly in 1932

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

I forgot the Vanities.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

No - Harry Conn did jokes in 1932 that didn't age well.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

But probably his opinion on it was as high as with Chevrolet.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

oh, Monkeys being gay at the zoo, in May 1932, Jack was going for it....

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

Actually, Great Temptations was downright notorious.

 

garth_johnson  5:11 PM

"I will sell no rhyme before it's time"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

Yes, Jack adn Mary always said they wanted out of the Great Temptations

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

1926 - Shubert's The Great Temptations - Roseray and Capella

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

Jack went straight from MGM to radio and from Canada Dry to General Tire.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

There was an article in the Times a while back that advertised it with a drawing of a little naked girl in the corner, and a tag line that was along the lines of "A respite for the tired working man."

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

well, Rodrigo, Jack DID go back to be MC at the Palace and at some big movie theater shows, a man's gotta make a living

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

Rodrigo - MGM to the Vanities.  But I think you pointed that out already.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:13 PM

I was saying how Jack WANTED his career to be told.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

There ya go.

 

garth_johnson  5:13 PM

1927 - Sadye and Jack Benny Cutting a cake flanked by a bevy of chorus girls (Photo by Harold Stein)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

a sign of hard times, ante up the sexual titillation

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:13 PM

Hence the Chevy omission.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

Well, nudity on stage was nothing new.  c.f., "posing" acts in vaudeville.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

oh YES Rodrigo, Jack wanted to say that he had always strived for clean comedy, and I can't blame him'

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

The change Temptations made was that the girls were actually MOVING, so the jiggle was the notorious thing.

 

garth_johnson  5:14 PM

1930 - Earl Carroll Vanities - New Amsterdam Theater - Faith Bacon

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

Woo hoo...Will Hayes just fainted...

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

there is a movie of Faith in my collection doing a tease

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

She's already quite the tease in that photo

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:15 PM

At least Jack did keep his act clean until the end (I'm lookin' at you, Bob and Miltie).

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:15 PM

it was a fine line between high class nudes at the Ziegfeld Midnight frolics, to the jigglers at Minskys. I do not envy entertainers in 1928-1932

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

In vaudeville pre-Temptations, you had to.  Remember the Keith poster.

5:16

That got Sophie Tucker fired.

5:16

Kathy - Well said.

5:17

And there was a pretty clear line (often walked by Mae West) between vaudeville and burlesque.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:17 PM

"Pop culture between 1996 and 2010 was so racy". 1920-1934 Pop culture would say "Hold my beer".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

LOL

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:18 PM

hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

Back to that theme about early comedy not being interesting...there were a lot of flavors in that ice cream store.

5:19

Weber and Fields published an article entitled (approximately):  "What is Funny?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

Not being interesting according to Kathy's students.

 

garth_johnson  5:19 PM

Took me long enough to find this

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

1. Stick your finger in a man's eye.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

Oh, Garth told us about his guitar instructor being worse than Remley. Believe it or not!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

2.  Stick your fingers in both of his eyes.

5:19

Rodrigo - How so?

5:20

3.  Stick your fingers in his eyes while you stomp on his foot.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:20 PM

well, if you can explain the context and get folks to understand what were the hot issues of the day, it gets better. Many of my freshmen said they were surprised to actually find Benny funny, once I had explained it, yay!

 

garth_johnson  5:20 PM

First of  the teacher couldn't count to 4 only had three fingers

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:20 PM

Victory!

5:20

Garth - Wait...you took lessons from Django Reinhart?

 

garth_johnson  5:21 PM

I wish! --

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:21 PM

I would envy that.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:21 PM

Yeah.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:21 PM

Kathy - Do your students like The Three Stooges?

5:21

Or Laurel and Hardy?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:22 PM

oh I fear to ask, Laura, because I despise them, but I make that a big joke in the class, that its OK to like things I don't, and then I pantomime sticking myself in the eye and hitting myself over the head. The kids like my performance, at least

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:22 PM

Hey Neil...feel free to jump in here!  Don't want you feeling left out.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

they have never heard of anything previous to The Office. I have to teach them everything.......but sometimes they listen

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Kathy - I almost asked if you give them a chance to like them!

 

garth_johnson  5:23 PM

The second was this three fingered sloth was using an electric when I'm trying to learn accoustic --- was not a pleasant experience, and I'll leave out his drinking habbit

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Kathy - And then they don't even know about the British series.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:23 PM

I'm okay. Just imagining Kathy hitting herself over the head

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:23 PM

Well, Kathy. Don't tell your students I can't even see Adam Sandler's face. Or that I've never saw the "Jumanji" reboot movies. Or that I enjoy "Seinfeld" and "Community" more than "Friends" and "Big Bang Theory".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

Garth - Gotcha.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

oh, there are oceans of things they don't know...but they teach me about all the new stuff, so we equal it out...

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:24 PM

Never saw any Friends

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

Kathy - I wasn't a fan of L&H either, but then I saw "Big Business" at the SF Silent Film Festival.

 

garth_johnson  5:24 PM

Point them at "A Little bit of Fry And Laurie"

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

You can get it on YouTube

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:24 PM

Did someone here have a violin instructor?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

Garth - Oh EXCELLENT call!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:25 PM

Fry and Laurie are great fun

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:25 PM

And if you can get them on that, try Flanders and Swann.

 

garth_johnson  5:25 PM

At least F&L are contemporary and then you can go back to "The Goon Show!"

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:25 PM

Especially in Jeeves and Wooster.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:25 PM

I had earlier mentioned devolving down to watch episodes of Drunk history about Hamilton.....in preparation to see the Disneyfied version later tonight

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:25 PM

And anyone who says, "Hey...that's HOUSE!" has to pay a quarter.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:25 PM

Blackadder, Mr. Bean...

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:26 PM

We watched the original The Ladykillers last night - Peter Sellers' first feature film

 

garth_johnson  5:26 PM

The Two Ronnies and it its' good night from theme

 

michael_amowitz  5:26 PM

Made it, finally! Slack was slack again tonight.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:26 PM

oh gosh I love Blackadder and ANYTHING by Rowan Atkinson

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

Fawlty Towers

 

michael_amowitz  5:26 PM

Coming, coming!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

Welcome Michael!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:26 PM

Hello Michael

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:26 PM

British humor ain't too gentle, but it sure has taste... except "Little Britain" apparently.

5:26

And James Corden seemingly.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

Mr. Bean was a little too zany for me, but I liked BlackAdder.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:26 PM

Hi, Mike.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:26 PM

Kathy - Did you see Atkinson's turn on the devil I posted a while ago?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

And some might not like Benny Hill.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:27 PM

You know who Rowan Atkinson's comedic hero was, right?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:27 PM

oh yes, Laura, that was fabulous!!!! Americans, you line up on the left here,,,,

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

Jacques Tati.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:27 PM

Rodgrio - We're back to the jigglers at Minsky's.

5:27

Kathy - LOL

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:27 PM

James Corden's Gavin and Stacey was a fun show

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:27 PM

Rodrigo - DING DING DING DING!!!!!!

5:28

Mr. Hulot's Holiday is on my list of top 10 movies of all time.

5:28

Or "Les Vacances de M. Hulot"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:28 PM

I have shown Rowan Atkinson's Blackadder World WAr I series finale in a 20th century history course, as it sums up so much

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:28 PM

I need to rewatch some Benny Hill.  Once in a while I'll see a clip and I'll marvel at how clever it is.

5:28

Kathy - OMG, does it ever.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:29 PM

With five million men dying in the trenches, who'll miss a pigeon?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:29 PM

I still remember seeing it.

 

garth_johnson  5:29 PM

LL - May the Farce Be with you - a day late.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:29 PM

I suppose you know how Benny Hill got his stage name...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:29 PM

I am still sorry that the Jack Benny in George Washington garb sequence was not filmed

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:30 PM

I walked into Martin Gostanian's apartment once, and I don't know what he was watching.  But I heard a character (they were watching British sitcoms on the show) say, "But why does everyone die at the end of the season?"  I let out a loud guffaw and had to explain it to Marty.

5:30

Kathy - I wonder if it was just publicity.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:30 PM

That is a nice story about Benny Hill

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:30 PM

Rodrigo - I do, but I won't spoil it.

 

garth_johnson  5:30 PM

Kathy - that's negative thinking --- at least still have pictures (I'll duck now)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:31 PM

supposedly there was going to be a dream sequence in GWSlept Here, but it got cut. I like the stills, though

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:31 PM

WAh wah wahhhhh

5:31

Kathy - That's right.

5:31

I was never sure if those costumes were intended for that sequence.

5:31

Would be cool to see if a screen treatment for it still exists.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:32 PM

Jack manages to look quite masculine in the GW photos, and yet its right after Charley's Aunt where he has to simper. I love the expressions on his face, when he is trying to have no expression.'

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:32 PM

I think I remember seeing him and Ann Sheridan in Romeo and Juliet garb as well.  Maybe they were dreaming of lovers through time.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:33 PM

and oh how Mary Livingstone would have loved that, hahahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:33 PM

Kathy - I probably told you that I find those serious shots extremely compelling.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

How would that have fit in the movie?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:33 PM

Kathy - Mary and her little finger.

5:33

Rodrigo - Apparently, it didn't! 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

"I blame Dan Schneider for today's youth liking tasteless comedy." Read it in the voice of an old-timer.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:33 PM

OK, I'll bite.  Who's Dan Schneider?

 

garth_johnson  5:34 PM

1942 - Jack Benny and Ann Sheridan, co-starred in Warner Bros. "George Washington Slept Here," portray the famous love team of Romeo and Juliet.  Ann, as Juliet, caresses her lover, Romeo Jack Benny.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:34 PM

For those asking, he did several popular teen-oriented sitcoms in the 2000s.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:34 PM

There ya go.

5:34

Ah.  We may as well say Judd Apatow.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:34 PM

wow Garth, I have not seen the Romeo and Juliet before, wish they had thought of that toupee in To Be or Not to Be, hahahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:35 PM

Apatow is like "Brit comedy with an accent".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:35 PM

I think I have one of Jack serenading her/Juliet with a lute, IIRC

 

garth_johnson  5:35 PM

Now if we had the collective funds when this was on -ebay somewhere the dream sequence may be mentioned

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:35 PM

Rodrigo - I confess I haven't seen any of his work.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:36 PM

well, if I can ever get out to the Academy/Herrick Library again, I will look for this....

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:36 PM

But...while Marty and I were working on Volume 3, Apatow was shooting scenes from "This is Forty" just outside the building.  If I'd realized it beforehand, I would have gone out to at least watch him work.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:36 PM

The comedy is rowdy, but unlike in Sandler's case, it is handled tastefully. And promoted to adults rather than families.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:37 PM

OK, good to know in case I am ever forced to watch some of it.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:37 PM

And no silly pathos two thirds into the movie.

 

michael_amowitz  5:37 PM

Woo Hoo Hoo! I had so much to catch up on, I'm verklempt! So much cerebral tonight!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:37 PM

Actually...did Apatow do Little Miss Sunshine?  I did see that and liked it.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:37 PM

Speaking of working - they have restarted in LA. My daughter is supposed to be on set on Tuesday for a commercial or music video. They need to get tested every 3 days.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:37 PM

Mike - Sorry, we've had a lot to analyze tonight.

 

michael_amowitz  5:38 PM

Rodrigo, I forgot the Benny Hill story.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:38 PM

Neil - So I heard.  But no studio audiences, I'd imagine.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:38 PM

yay for production starting and I hope everyone is careful! We are having it hard here in Austin, TX. I stay inside, but few other people do.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:38 PM

I would think so

 

michael_amowitz  5:38 PM

LL, it's all good. Making me think, which I do little of. And kudos to Garth for the usual amazing photos.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:38 PM

Apatow, Seinfeld and the Frat Pack are basically the same, but are the best comedy there is for now.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:38 PM

Kathy - Let me know if you and Kenny need masks.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:39 PM

Little Miss Sunshine had nothing to do with Apatow

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:39 PM

OK, maybe that's why I liked it.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:39 PM

Speaking of masks, I remember that horseshoe-shaped one Jack wore in a photo.

5:39

circa 1944.

 

garth_johnson  5:39 PM

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:39 PM

you make amazing masks, Laura, I hate to ask, but would trade a couple for the Jack Benny scripts books coming your way soon, yay! your fabrics are amazing

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:39 PM

Oh well done, Garth!

 

michael_amowitz  5:39 PM

LOL

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:39 PM

great photo, Garth!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:39 PM

Wonder if people feared gas attacks or somethng.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:40 PM

or Virus X

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:40 PM

Especially in teh Coast.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:40 PM

Kathy - Tell me which you like and they're yours for the asking.  And let me know...ear loops or ties, nose wires or no.

 

garth_johnson  5:40 PM

But there is no virus x's in texas

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:40 PM

That's the X factor

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:40 PM

plastic loops, or metal loops, plastic loops....

 

garth_johnson  5:40 PM

Da Loops

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:41 PM

Yep, exactly!

5:41

Fortunately, my loops don't go around your toes

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:41 PM

You get them caught in your toes, correct?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:41 PM

Unless you're wearing the mask wrong.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:41 PM

Wonder if people also feared getting sick by having contact with soldiers in leave.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:41 PM

Only the girls, I'd think.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:42 PM

Memories from the 1918 pandemic, you know.

 

garth_johnson  5:42 PM

Masks - we don't need not stinkin' masks

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:42 PM

LOL

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:42 PM

Garth! wonderful photo

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:42 PM

Mary gets upset because Jack and Ann Sheridan aren't social distancing...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:43 PM

The Fiddler... uh-oh. Wrong comment.

 

garth_johnson  5:43 PM

The nice thing about slack is the file names appear so I don't have to spend much time to identify the pics to people here

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:43 PM

Joan doesn't look too happy in that photo either.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:43 PM

the good news from the publisher, everybody, is that he's willing to publish ALL the missing Benny scripts 1932-36, and we are already at work on volume 2. I have not even received my physical copies yet, but hope soon!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:43 PM

Garth - I've told you this before, but I'll say it "publically"...I love your file naming format.  May want to steal it for larger purposes.

5:44

Kathy - That's outstanding news!

 

garth_johnson  5:44 PM

Maybe Joan needed to see a Doctor

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:44 PM

hahaha

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:44 PM

Nice

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:44 PM

I'd smile too being that close to Young Dr. Kildare

5:44

Or Father whatever from The Thornbirds

 

michael_amowitz  5:45 PM

Excellent, Kathy! Keep 'em coming, Garth! 

 

garth_johnson  5:45 PM

Wasn't he involved in the docto Gillespie killings!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:45 PM

Amen!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:45 PM

What about Dr. Killpatient?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:45 PM

hahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:45 PM

He sounded like Mel Blanc.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:45 PM

Nyuk nyuk nyuk

 

garth_johnson  5:45 PM

Was that a man on a horse that just went Nyuk!?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:45 PM

Rabbititis Quarantine

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:46 PM

Rodrigo - Hey, I'm living that right now.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:46 PM

how many rabbits at your house these days, Laura?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:46 PM

Me too. Not for Rabbititis unfortunately.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:46 PM

Kathy - 10.  7 of mine and three guests.

 

michael_amowitz  5:46 PM

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:46 PM

Enough to see spots in your eyes.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:47 PM

Kathy - Happily, Queenie seems to be back to mostly her normal self after her ordeal on Friday.

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kathy_fuller_seeley  5:47 PM

gosh I am glad, I hope the whole rabbit hutch-worth is happy and healthy

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:47 PM

Oh, I didn't post that on my timeline.  I'll bring you up to speed offline.

 

garth_johnson  5:48 PM

LL - don't get our your Poultry Seasoning mixed in with your rabbit seasoning

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

Garth - It's Duck Seasoning

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:48 PM

Rabbit Season!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

Duck Season!

 

garth_johnson  5:48 PM

My Bill Please

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:48 PM

Elmer Season!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

Oh no Mr. Bill!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:49 PM

Elmer season, fire!

 

garth_johnson  5:49 PM

Now Elmer - thats not Fudd

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

Arthur....cue Brian.

 

michael_amowitz  5:49 PM

I'm being vewwy quiet

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:49 PM

Death awaits you... with big pointy teeth!

 

garth_johnson  5:49 PM

Always look on the bright side of life

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:50 PM

Aw man, now knowing the truth, I can't think of him without....well....knowing the truth. (Arthur Q. Bryan)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:50 PM

(whistling do do, do do do do do do )

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:50 PM

Just watched What's Opera, Doc with two commentaries, music only track, voice only track and behind the scenes presentation.  All quite interesting

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:50 PM

That sounds extremely cool!

 

garth_johnson  5:50 PM

Yopp that would be fun to see

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:50 PM

Let's get saucy for a sec...was Bryan ever "caught?"

5:51

I know I learned about that here.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:51 PM

Fetchez la vache!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:51 PM

I am curious if anyone knows if Mel Blanc was connected with Warner Bros' Looney Tunes BEFORE his Benny appearances, or only concurrently>

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

Or was it just one of those things whispered in Hollywood circles?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:51 PM

that was on my Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 2 DVD

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

Kathy - Oh, I bet he was already working for them.

5:52

Does anyone know when Mel Blanc officially joined Warner Bros?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:52 PM

I know that he had like dozens of jobs to make ends meet

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:52 PM

In late 1936.

 

garth_johnson  5:52 PM

Mel did Picador Porky in 1937 it was release feb 27

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

Like any good character actor of the day.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:52 PM

he could have remained a freelancer forever

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

Rodrigo - Ah, I didn't know it was that late.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:52 PM

apparently Mel Blanc started in animation in 1936

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

I thought he went back as far as the "round elmer" days.

5:53

OK, I may be wrong then...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:53 PM

Mel got an exclusive contract with Warners in 1941.

 

michael_amowitz  5:53 PM

I'd forgotten Round Elmer

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:53 PM

does that mean he could no longer do woody the woodpecker

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:53 PM

Yep.

5:53

Lantz still used the laugh until 1949.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:54 PM

personally I hate Woody the Woodpecker, meanest sob in town

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:54 PM

they kept his laugh - his laugh was still used in the Woody Woodpecker cartoons until 1951

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

Well, interesting mixed answer.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:54 PM

I am also distressed by Tom and Jerry cartoons where they screech in pain, call me a bleeding heart, hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

Mel was on 6/7/36.  But then didn't appear again until 3/12/39.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:55 PM

Blanc sued Lantz in 1948 over the laugh. But later he played Woody in radio.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

I can't stand Tom and Jerry

 

garth_johnson  5:55 PM

Ah yes --- signs of a misspent youth --- too much time watching Saturday morning cartoons and not enough in The Collected Works of Shakespear

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

Blanc did the laugh on the Sportsmen's 78 of the Woody Woodpecker song.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

Haven't seen Tom and Jerry in ages

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

But you all knew that.

5:55

Garth - LOL

5:56

And Blanc's role in 36 was a speaking turn.

 

garth_johnson  5:56 PM

Alas, poor Benny, I knew him Nelson!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:56 PM

but Garth, that is how I learned anything about opera! from my mis-spent youth watching Looney Tunes

 

garth_johnson  5:56 PM

How Dooo - welcome to my shop!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

Same here.  Guilty as charged.  Don't tell my friends in opera circles.

 

garth_johnson  5:56 PM

Let me Cut Your Mop

5:57

Daintily

 

michael_amowitz  5:57 PM

That's true! The best was "Kiw da wabbit"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:57 PM

yes, you're next, you're so next..

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:57 PM

Blanc appeared in 1936; then from Feb. 39 to the fall of 41 as animal voices; from Jun. 43 speaking voices.

 

garth_johnson  5:57 PM

This is fun to have people know the lines and chime in

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:58 PM

I had tickets to Bugs Bunny on Broadway (touring) in 1991.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:58 PM

they were genius song parody writers

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:58 PM

The opening comedian stretched and stretched and stretched until people heckled him off the stage.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:59 PM

as they ought haha (crickets)

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

And then they took intermission and made an announcement that the rest of the show was cancelled because the films had gone missing in transit.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:59 PM

Benny and Burns...

Get yer tomatoes ready.

 

garth_johnson  5:59 PM

kiwll the comic -

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Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

LOL

5:59

I feel so bad for the guy in retrospect, knowing the situation and why he was stretching so hard.

6:00

I remember an extraordinarily loud 20s-ish male voice yelling, "WE WANT BUGS!!!!!!!"

6:00

Kathy - I'm still kind of scratching my head at your students not liking early comedy.

6:00

Even though I've run into it myself.

6:01

Doesn't Chaplin on roller skates sway them?

6:02

Or Preston Sturges?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:03 PM

yes Laura, eventually they get the point on early comedy, but they have to be in the right mood. MOdern Times ALWAYS wins, as does Sherlock Junior. Most of the rest are flops with freshmen,. someday I will teach an entire course on silent cinema, but at least the students will self-select into it.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:03 PM

If there isn't a sexual reference...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:03 PM

They LOVED Sturges' "Sullivan's Travels" when they had no expectations before hand, hooray

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:03 PM

nice

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:03 PM

You know, people tend to see pre-1960s women as harridans.

6:03

Think about Brenda and Cobina.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:04 PM

I need to rewatch The Lady Eve.  I used to watch it over and over, but haven't seen it in years.

6:04

Harridans?  That's a new word to me.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:04 PM

Hags.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:04 PM

Ah ok.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:04 PM

Mostly I have to stand on stage and act it out with the film, and direct their eyes, and SHOW them how to watch silent film, they are not used to watching that closely'

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:04 PM

Harridan seems to be an UK word.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:04 PM

Jean Harlow was no hag!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:04 PM

Who was the nemesis in The Marx Brothers films?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:04 PM

Margaret Dumont.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:04 PM

Margaret Dumont

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:04 PM

Kathy - That's true.  I taught myself how to watch silents.

6:05

Neil - Male or female?

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:05 PM

I was referring to the Harridan comment

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:05 PM

People think everybody was ugly before the sexual revolution. And that men were pansies.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:05 PM

Rodrigo - Thanks for teaching me a new word!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:05 PM

yep, and imagine I have 200 students who consider the Office to be ancient history. I win 10 -20 over, hooray

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:05 PM

so yes Dumont (edited) 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:06 PM

Oh duh...I'd think the Marx Brothers would also grab students' attention.

 

garth_johnson  6:06 PM

I was never one to watch "old stone face" Keaton, but every once and awhile - watching The Rail Rodder makes me look for something else

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:06 PM

Keaton was the giant of them all.

 

michael_amowitz  6:07 PM

The General

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:07 PM

I think he may have been the inspiration for much of Tati's comedy.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:07 PM

oh I adore Buster Keaton, he's much less sentimental than Chaplin. But now young people won't watch The General for a number of years (sigh) so I have to switch to Steamboat Bill Jr

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:07 PM

Chaplin, Keaton and Lloyd are the fathers of modern comedy

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:07 PM

I adore the General, my very favorite film, its precise like a clockwork machine

 

garth_johnson  6:07 PM

"Safety Last!"

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:08 PM

I remember I was so delighted when I was in ninth grade, and we got shuffled into the auditorium for some reason, and they showed a bunch of clips.  When Abbott and Costello Go to Mars came on screen, the place broke up.  I was amazed!

6:08

Why won't they watch "The General"?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:09 PM

My favorite bit with students today is getting them to think of the basics of comedy, WHY is that funny, what is incongruous about it, what happens to human bodies, and our expectations, etc

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:09 PM

Probably has to do with racial insensibilities.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:09 PM

I had the pleasure of seeing Safety Last on the big screen at SF Silent Film Festival, and there was a pocket of the audience that all I can figure is that they'd never seen it before.  They were screaming their heads off!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:09 PM

Oh Laura, undergrads right now wont have ANYTHING to do with the Civil War, esp with the South as heroes , sigh

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:09 PM

Rodrigo - Aha...hadn't thought about that.  You're probably right.  But it's not like showing "Birth of a Nation"

6:10

Kathy - Ah gotcha.  That's unfortunate.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:10 PM

well, the students are going on a bender, ANYTHING about history had better be PC or its all wrong..... they will get past it in a few years

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:10 PM

Kathy - I hope so.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:11 PM

I have to defend every piece of old media that I show that includes only white performers. Can I say how glad I am to be on research leave this coming school year

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:11 PM

Rule #1 of Comedy: Saying "boobs" don't make things funnier automatically.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:11 PM

There's a difference between looking at the past in a way that examines the good, the bad, and the ugly and realizes that no one should be lionized.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:11 PM

but I will accomplish many things, and come up with ways to involve students, and minority voices, ever more...

 

garth_johnson  6:11 PM

This current generation want's instant resolution --- I blame the video tape machine for having a Fast Forward button on it

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:11 PM

Rodrigo - I bet some people would disagree with that.

6:11

Garth - I blame the microwave oven.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:12 PM

I know who you're talikg about, Laura.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:12 PM

microwaves, yes!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:12 PM

Talking.

 

garth_johnson  6:12 PM

"60 seconds over Tokyo" 45 seconds too long

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:12 PM

I remember when I went to the Riviera with my father when I was 11 (geez, I'm old) and we saw Joan Rivers and Neil Sedaka.

6:13

She came out and said, "Herpes herpes herpes herpes" and got a laugh

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:13 PM

hey, they were "ethnic" comedians then! Now we women are all Karens

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:13 PM

I just finished watching the available 9 episodes of Do Not Adjust Your Set.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:13 PM

I don't remember any more of her act because I didn't understand it.  Liked her on The Tonight Show though!

 

garth_johnson  6:13 PM

Neil -  are you any more adjusted?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:14 PM

Sedaka did comedy?

 

michael_amowitz  6:14 PM

I would, Rodrigo, too much product out there and not enough time. If a movie drags for me, I have no problem with fast forward. Actual films, I won't do that 

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:14 PM

Now I am

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:14 PM

Kathy - Sedaka ended his performance with an Eddie Cantor impersonation, complete with white gloves!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:14 PM

omg, that is amazing, Laura

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:14 PM

THAT I remember!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:14 PM

Each episode had at least one performance of the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:14 PM

Neil - OMG I LOVE their work!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:15 PM

Mike. What was your reply about?

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:15 PM

One performance had them all as some natives in blackface.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:15 PM

I was thinking just yesterday of their rendition of "Hello Mabel"!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:15 PM

Uh-oh.

 

garth_johnson  6:15 PM

I will need to check that out --- after Beyond the Fringe

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:15 PM

I have to find those Jack and Eddie Anderson blackface photos one of these days.

 

michael_amowitz  6:15 PM

oops, Garth, not Rodrigo

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:15 PM

OK

6:15

Rutland Weekend Television

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:15 PM

It was quite a fun series of shows they had available on that DVD set

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:16 PM

Now I have 16mms of Abbe Lane and one other show

6:16

And a silent version of What Ho Romeo.

6:16

So I'll need to find someone who can do a good transfer of them.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:16 PM

oh gosh I have wanted to see Rutland Weekend Television, must get cracking on that

 

garth_johnson  6:16 PM

The secret word is "burnt cork" - something found in every good entertainers make-up case

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:16 PM

THAT'S IT!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:17 PM

That was from "Meanest Man in the World", wasn't it?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:17 PM

I have a few of them from that performance.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:17 PM

wow, where does that come from?

 

garth_johnson  6:17 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:17 PM

Jack did blackface in Meanest Man, but that was for another event.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:17 PM

ahhh, if they aren't in blackface, they are dressing up like Gracie Allen

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:17 PM

Has anyone heard the minstrel shows?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:18 PM

No transphobia here!

6:18

Rodrigo - The radio versions?  Oh yeah.

 

garth_johnson  6:18 PM

 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:18 PM

See, Eddie isn't in blackface there.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:18 PM

Jack looks so sad/dour/put upon in this one still...

 

michael_amowitz  6:18 PM

What a shot!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:18 PM

He is in the top picture.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:18 PM

Did they do Doc Benny's minstrel show on TV?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:19 PM

supposedly he is hiding from people who want money from him, I take it

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:19 PM

Rodrigo - No.

 

garth_johnson  6:19 PM

 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:19 PM

I really want to get the live version of that show in circulation.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:19 PM

now Jack LOVED doing his Gracie bit

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:19 PM

I know people wouldn't take it in 1950.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:19 PM

It's actually funnier than the filmed version.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:19 PM

oh gosh I would LOVE To see the early live version of the Gracie show

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:19 PM

Except in Britain, where thwy did "The Black and White Minstrel Show".

6:19

Until 1978.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:20 PM

Rodrigo - Exactly.  Even when Amos n Andy transitioned to television, there was discussion of whether to have Gosden/Correll do it in blackface, or black actors.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:20 PM

Rodrigo it was VERY controversial, but about 75% for and 25% shocked and against, according to the research Jack's folks did

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:20 PM

Kathy - It has what may be the longest "real" laugh on the show.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:20 PM

when people could see up Jack's "skirt" yes?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:21 PM

Yes, exactly.  He goes to take off his shoe, and the crowd goes nuts!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:21 PM

Here's a parody of that show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ePC-uVKFI

YouTube | Matthew Coombes

The Two Ronnies   The Short And Fat Minstrel Show Reprise 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:21 PM

hooray for live audiences, amazing that they could see that clearly

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:21 PM

Oh my!

 

garth_johnson  6:22 PM

And it's good night from him --- haven't seen this sketch before

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:22 PM

1970s-era British comedies have a testy reputation over racial politics.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:22 PM

is this British or Australian, just curious

 

garth_johnson  6:22 PM

BBC

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:22 PM

wow, well there you go!

 

michael_amowitz  6:22 PM

Wow, never even knew of this one before

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:22 PM

"Curry and Chips", "Mind Your Language", "Love Thy Neighbour".

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:23 PM

Rodrigo - Well, and Britain never had a Civil War over slavery or Martin Luther King Jr., so I think that made a difference.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:23 PM

Before 1950, Britain was almost completely white.

6:23

Then came people from the Caribbean and India.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:23 PM

Remember the firestorm Ted (lost his last name...of Cheers) got for doing blackface when he was going around with Whoopi Goldberg?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:24 PM

Danson.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:24 PM

Rodrigo - Not Africa?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:24 PM

Not yet.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:24 PM

Thanks...Ted Danson.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:24 PM

Most Afro-British people immigrated in the 70s.

 

garth_johnson  6:24 PM

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:24 PM

oh dear

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:24 PM

You known V.D. Amin.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:25 PM

Rodrigo - Oh interesting.  I did not know that.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:25 PM

Sorry, Idi Amin.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:25 PM

I thought it was a joke name.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:25 PM

There was an old SNL sketch.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:26 PM

Whoopi was laughing, and everyone else was fighting about whether her being OK with it made it OK, or, etc. etc. etc.

 

garth_johnson  6:26 PM

I just found a pic that will straighten your curly hair

6:26

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:26 PM

racial politics in the US is soooooo complicated today, there are no "right" answers, only explanations, eh?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:26 PM

Oh my yes!

6:27

And Fred Astaire's blackface turn in "Swing Time"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:27 PM

just the example I was going to give, Laura!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:27 PM

Someone showed me "The Party" which has Peter Sellers playing a bumbling actor from India.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:27 PM

Yes.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:27 PM

I kept saying, "Wow...you could NOT make this movie today!"

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:27 PM

I've seen that

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:28 PM

Apparently Sellers had developed the character in "The Goon Show":

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:28 PM

Rodrigo:  Oh interesting.  His own personal Apu.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:28 PM

Howzabout Mickey Looney?

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:28 PM

No surprise there. He had a ton of characters in The Good Show

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:28 PM

You know, "Breakfast at Tiffany's".

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:28 PM

Rodrigo - Oh right!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:28 PM

in Breakfast at Tiffany's> What were they thinking???

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:29 PM

Well, we can nail Dennis Day for that too.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:29 PM

So solly, prease!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:29 PM

And it was about the time of "The Party" that Jack has Rochester drive him home in one of his specials, and Roch has the button, "We don't do that any more!"

6:30

It was one thing in Broken Blossoms.  But Breakfast at Tiffany's...man...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:30 PM

Not EVER to excuse any of it. but on radio, an accent other than American was used to differentiate characters, all too often, and way too lazily

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:30 PM

Well, that brings up the audition recording for The Private Life of Rochester Van Jones.

6:30

You hear the actors announcing themselves in beautiful, pear-shaped tones.

6:31

(including Scatman Crothers)

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:31 PM

Harry Conn started it on the Benny show in 1932 (coming from vaudeville) easiest way to get a joke was to quick throw in a German, Russian, Italian, Scottish or Irish or African American voice

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:31 PM

that was on the set I am in the midst of listening to

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

An den dey go into da dialect and you can cuts it with a knife!

 

michael_amowitz  6:31 PM

How do you dooo!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

Mike:  LOL

 

garth_johnson  6:31 PM

Irish doing Italian

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:32 PM

Holy cow...I thought that was Jerry Colonna!

 

michael_amowitz  6:32 PM

I'm still marveling at the BBC Minstrel show

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:32 PM

YES Laura, what a terrible shame that the producers could not have let the performers be more "real" and less stereotyped. They turned Rochester into Andy of A&A

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:32 PM

Kathy - Exactly.

6:32

Which is why I *AY-DORE* the bit of Jack having the Japanese announcer on

6:32

his television show talking about "Rux Riquid"

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:33 PM

Has someone else ever saw the Jerr-O ad?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:33 PM

And then finally after they keep trying to correct him, he says (approximately, and in a perfect American accent) "Well, I can't help it if your writers write with a bad accent!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:33 PM

a joke for the "ear" rather than the "eye" became rare on television!

 

garth_johnson  6:33 PM

Did One Long Pan ever find the wewollover

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BEDq1KNuo

YouTube | Throwback

Jell-O Commercial (1958) 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:34 PM

Kathy - Have you ever seen the very first episode of the 1964-65 season?

 

garth_johnson  6:34 PM

Had to look at the title - thought someone wanted his maypo

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:34 PM

omg the Jell-O commercial; no Laura I have not seen the first 1964 show

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:35 PM

What Kathy said...OMG that commercial.

6:35

OK, everyone put your fingers in your ears...I need to tell Kathy a secret

 

garth_johnson  6:35 PM

commercial should have remained an ancient chineses secret

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:35 PM

shhhhh

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:35 PM

My first exposure to the big red letters on the box.

6:36

Sorry, Don.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:36 PM

Kathy - I've got some efforts going on to try and get out more "lost" shows.  But some things need to fall into place first.  Like UCLA hiring a new Television Archivist.

 

michael_amowitz  6:36 PM

Oddly, Mister MaGloo just came back to me

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:36 PM

oooooh a new TV archivist, hooray!!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:37 PM

Apparently the one that replaced Dan Einstein got escorted out.  But I have no gossip on what led to that.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:37 PM

Rodrigo, I think a box of Celery-flavored Jell-O scared me in 1964 as a kid'

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:37 PM

I remember there was a brief vogue for public domain films in the mid-late 2000s.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:38 PM

I can check with a faculty member who has some connections, I have had a world of trouble with the Special Archives curators...

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:38 PM

Drive-in ads, Fleischer cartoons, old commercials.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:38 PM

It's still in the business case stages, so it's a long ways away.  But at some time in the future I'll reveal the cause of the tipping point that made me jump on it.

6:38

Kathy - You sure that wasn't Dr. Brown's?

6:38

Kathy - Not Mark Quigley?

6:38

OK, you can take your fingers out of your ears.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:38 PM

oh no, it was Jell-O and my mom put mushrooms and a few drops of tabasco sauce in it, hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:38 PM

Thanks, folks.  

 

michael_amowitz  6:39 PM

ew.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:39 PM

Kathy - No wonder you're obsessed with the bad Jell-O recipe books.

6:39

Magic mushrooms?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:39 PM

Did people in the 50s actually do gelatin salads?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:40 PM

(Holding back for Kathy to answer that)

 

michael_amowitz  6:40 PM

Yes, as I remember

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:40 PM

oh yes and so many other horrible things in jello!  YES Rodrigo there was a Santa Claus, people in the 1950s-80s in the US were OBSESSED with putting meats and vegetables and fruits and anything else into jello!!!!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:40 PM

That makes the casting of Mickey Rooney as a Japanese reasonable.

 

garth_johnson  6:41 PM

two words - Brando Teahouse

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:41 PM

Or Sean Connery.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:41 PM

Or John Wayne as The Conqueror.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:41 PM

WT* were they thinking...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:41 PM

Jello even put out tomato, celery and "vegetable" flavors in the 1960s to encourage it

otherwise you needed to use KNOX unflavored jello to make the savory salads

6:42

I actually collect crazy old jello recipes from church cookbooks and other local sources from the 1950s-80s, and threaten to make my dear Kenny eat them, hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:42 PM

Oh come on...fish in cherry-flavored Jell-O sounds so good...

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:43 PM

Orange, Raspberry, Strawberry, Cherry, Lemon and Lyman.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:43 PM

HE says that I mostly torture him, on the way home from a trip to antique malls where I find these monstrous cookbooks, by reading out the recipes

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:43 PM

Kathy - If you find a mid-1800s cookbook, you'll torture him even more.

 

garth_johnson  6:43 PM

A good vegetable aspic is fine at Christmas, but don't ask me to eat it on a regular basis -- sorry mother I will not eat it any other time

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:44 PM

LAURA, before we scatter, remember that I have a lovely digital scanner now all set up in my kitchen, just waiting for one of Barbara's scrapbooks! Very happy to pay for the shipping +insurance

 

garth_johnson  6:44 PM

Abe you're not out of the Woods yet

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:44 PM

Grape-Nuts have the Vhitemans you need for your day.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:44 PM

Kathy - OK, let's connect offline.  Was hoping Paul could get you an interface to be able to upload stuff.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:45 PM

its good for scraps of fruit, stretches them during the winter, as Don Wilson says

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:45 PM

And Garth's not Lyman!

6:45

OK, thanks for a fabulous conversation this evening.  Sorry we went past our hour!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:45 PM

It doesn't Kostelanetz more than any other cereal.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:46 PM

That's an dre wit.

 

michael_amowitz  6:46 PM

This was just fascinating to take in!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:46 PM

We need more color in our lives, as Don says, and the 6 delicious flavors offer the colors of spring, summer and etc

6:46

Rodrigo, hahahaha!

 

garth_johnson  6:46 PM

Hey Kathy a hint when scanning things colourful -- have a colour slate in the first picture so corrections can be done at a later time

 

michael_amowitz  6:46 PM

And I enjoyed my Orange Jello

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:46 PM

And more lutefisk in our Jell-O

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:46 PM

great idea, Garth, thank you!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:46 PM

That is a great idea!

6:47

OK, thanks all!  I'll see you next week at the "official" chat!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:47 PM

Great

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:47 PM

Good night.

 

garth_johnson  6:47 PM

One of those things archivists learn and dont teach libray scientists

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:47 PM

thanks everyone, it was a great "happy hour"

 

michael_amowitz  6:47 PM

Y'all have a great week!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:48 PM

Bye

 

Sunday, July 12, 2020

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

Please Stand By

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:00 PM

Well, isn't that fancy?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

And now for something completely different...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:01 PM

Funny, since I was just making masks for Navajo Nation

5:01

How's everyone tonight?

5:01

Hi Roger, Tom!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:01 PM

Just finished dinner

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:01 PM

All right, thanks.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:02 PM

And Neil!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:02 PM

Thanks

5:02

Hello all

 

roger  5:02 PM

Hello everyone!

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

I am surprisingly good considering I'v cut the lawn (1/4 acre) and continued cleaning gutters --- This shoulder thing seems to be getting better

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

H... E... L... L... Ooooooo!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:02 PM

Garth - So glad to hear that!

 

Tom V.  5:02 PM

Hello Guys and Gals......

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Jolly good company

5:03

Is it hot everywhere?  Seems to be as far as I've seen

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

This is the first nice day in three weeks

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Garth - Been raining up your way?

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

Finally broke 80f

 

Tom V.  5:04 PM

Hottest day of the year here...102 degrees right now!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:04 PM

16 days straight so far going over 90 deg F

5:05

they predict another week

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Yowza

5:05

I'm a wimp in the Bay Area.  It's only about 90 here.

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

Sometimes I like living in an igloo

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Garth - My cooler is too small for me to live in it.

5:06

Hi Mike!

 

michael_amowitz  5:06 PM

I am here, whew! Jello, Folks!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

So what Benny-wise is on everyone's mind this evening?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:07 PM

I'm listening to Jack talking to Mr. Billingsley.

5:07

According to Rochester, he's been acting strange lately...

 

michael_amowitz  5:07 PM

I've been enjoying Kathy's articles lately. Are the books out now?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Rodrigo - I love that character.

5:07

Michael - Yes!

5:08

Rodrigo - How can you tell?

5:08

Hi Beverly!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

He was going for a T-Bone steak at the barber shop.

 

michael_amowitz  5:09 PM

Is there a link?

Mr. Billingsley often seems a little off the main path.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Having a little steak for dinner, I see...

5:09

Rodrigo is just live-streaming the episode he's hearing

 

michael_amowitz  5:09 PM

And more good posts from Garth

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Oh always!

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/23175?&sp=%7B%22q%22%3A%22%5C%22Jack%20Benny%5C%22%22%2C%22tabType%22%3A%22online%22%7D&sr=13

catalog.archives.gov

 

michael_amowitz  5:09 PM

lol!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

According to Mary, Fred Allen said that Jack got his biggest laugh appearing at his draft board.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

Rodrigo - Well, in WWI they still took him.

5:10

OK...let's get back to Yosemite!  Maybe it's cooler there!

If you join the chat during the program, please join us at the above link!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:29 PM

hi folks, sorry I am late! will go to the watch...

 

garth_johnson  5:43 PM

LL - If the trip to the mountains didn't cool you down --- how about to the corner of Haight and Ashbury for an ice cream cone.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:44 PM

hello again, folks!

 

michael_amowitz  5:44 PM

Hi Kathy and anyone I missed

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:44 PM

I wonder if that's open now!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:44 PM

oh that looks lovely, Garth!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:44 PM

I've been by there a million times.  Never gone in though.

5:44

So thoughts on the show?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:45 PM

That was fun

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:45 PM

I always wondered where Rochester slept on I think part 2 while they were on their way

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:45 PM

Here's a teaser...we'll probably do the last one of the Yosemite series during happy hour next week.

 

garth_johnson  5:45 PM

April 1994 when I was at the record shop up the block and got the Longines Symphonette society boxed set

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:45 PM

I love the early Frank Nelson, just waiting for him to say "oooooh"

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:45 PM

People didn't care about such details back in 1940...

 

beverly_bennett  5:45 PM

It's a good one; I've just heard it lots of times!  But always ready again. Thanks

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:46 PM

Garth - Oh, I bought George Burns' 1972 record there!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:46 PM

Now audiences have to know every minuscule detail and take it as canon.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:46 PM

Hi Beverly!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:46 PM

"weeeeeeeee!" reminds me of Maxwell the pig in the GEICO commercials

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:47 PM

Well, Jack asks at one point in the previous episode, "Where are you, Rochester?" "Right next to you Boss!"

5:47

And then there's a terribly racist line after that which always makes me cringe.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:47 PM

hahaha  did he then say 'oh I couldn't see you in the dark....'

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:47 PM

Kathy - I can see that

5:47

Kathy - No, Jack says, "Well, open your eyes or smile so I can see you!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:48 PM

the writers' obsessive need to make race visual in this era is horribly fascinating

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

This WAS 1940, and you still have Roch dreaming about crap games.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:48 PM

omg, well we can thank Morrow and Beloin for that

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:48 PM

Or going to the "chicken shack".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

Kathy - My thoughts exactly.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:49 PM

making skin color "visible" on the radio is so 1940.....

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

And you had Ed Beloin playing the Indian for double-trouble

 

michael_amowitz  5:49 PM

I had trouble with Jack telling Mary to quiet down; we need to sleep ... then he wakes everyone with a bugle in the morning. 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:49 PM

Jack at his early jerk-iest haha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

Pardon my language, but this specific episode is the one where Mary becomes a real b!tch.

 

michael_amowitz  5:50 PM

lol

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:50 PM

yes, but no other woman in radio or hardly even in the movies could get away with what she did in 1940!!!!!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:50 PM

The good thing about Jack's show is that the characters do not become jerk-ish enough to make people not care about them, like with "Seinfeld" or the like.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

Kathy - I suppose you had the wise-cracking sidekick, but even that had a more sarcastic edge than this.

 

garth_johnson  5:51 PM

So Kathy how goes the scanning --- Here's some thing that may give you buyers' remorse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKsNOTIwJk

YouTube | US National Archives

Preservation and Access: Digitization Services at the National Archives 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:51 PM

witchy, yes, but not verbally abused like Vera Vagee or Cobina and Brenda on Bob Hope's show

5:52

haha Garth, I know folks who have a small archive of ancient equipment like that. We are ABOUT to start scanning, hooray!!!!!

5:52

Vera Vague is what I meant

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

Watching your video...fascinating

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:53 PM

Rodrigo, you make an excellent point imho about the essential likeability of the Benny show characters

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:53 PM

I need that scanner for the 16mm prints I got recently

 

garth_johnson  5:54 PM

I had to dig out my oldest scanner today to do some slides --- I wept when I saw this video

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:54 PM

garth, the only thing I have buyers remorse on, recently, is that Waukegan premiere "postcard copy" which was a 25 cent photo print from Walgreens, for 11.99 sheesh, I need to read the fine print more often

 

Tom V.  5:54 PM

Any "lost" shows on those 16mm films, Laura?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

Tom - Yep, one.

5:54

Not sure about the other one yet.

5:55

And a silent version of "What Ho, Romeo?"

 

Tom V.  5:55 PM

Cool!!

 

garth_johnson  5:55 PM

Put Abbe in a box and keep her there

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

Garth - You know I want to.

5:55

Boxing Abbe

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:55 PM

Schrodinger's Lane...

1

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

Kathy - I guess this is where I need to walk my walk on wanting to look at Jack, warts and all.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:56 PM

sure, every great genius can have some lousy shows haha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

I remember seeing Kubrick's very first movie that he'd stipulated that he never wanted seen.  I see why.

 

garth_johnson  5:56 PM

* here is an example from Carol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKsNOTIwJk

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:57 PM

But that said, it's fascinating to see a genius in vestigal stages.

5:57

This show with Jack is more like a genius in sharp decline

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:58 PM

I totally agree with you all, and I love to laugh at film historians who work so hard to excuse a terrible film that their idol (Hitchcock, Scorcese, Wilder, Ford, etc) directed

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

I just keep pointing to the fact that Jack didn't want to do the last season, and it sounds like his bad moods affected everyone, including the writers.  So you come out with stinkers like this one full of stupid plot, sight gags, and general corniness.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:00 PM

OT: If you think I dislike popular stuff given my comment on Sandler and "The Rock" being rip-offs, I'd like to mention I prefer Marvel movies to the ones from DC, not being even much interested in seeing "Joker".

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:00 PM

However, I've seen tons of publicity photos from this show.  Even one of Abbe Lane with Jack's writers all around her enjoying the view.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:00 PM

sometimes pointing out what worked so poorly in one episode reminds us of what amazing things he and his group did at their best!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:00 PM

Kathy - Well said.

6:01

Rodrigo - A Chacun a son gout, as they say in France.  I don't judge!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:01 PM

How was the episode with Jack serenading a turkey while opening a supermarket? (a photo was uploaded in a previous chat)

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:01 PM

So actually on that topic of Jack and physical humor

6:02

Rodrigo - Actually, I'm OK with that show.  I know it's last season, but not all of them were stinkers.

6:02

Jack plays off Andy Williams well, and I like him as a singer

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:02 PM

ummmm, Jack and the chimps! Great silent film physical humor!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:02 PM

Je conduis un camion poubelle

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:02 PM

And the whole concept of Jack tricking Williams into playing a meat market opening is absolutely on character.

6:03

un camion a ordure!

 

garth_johnson  6:03 PM

Physical Humour - Jack and his muscles

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

Kathy - There ya go.  That's good stuff.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:03 PM

I think its interesting to think of Jack's writers going back to the volumes of the old radio scripts, looking for inspiration.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

Garth - Excellent point.  I think of that more as a sight gag than physical humor

6:04

Kathy - I think I've told you that Jeanette and Dorothy confirmed what I had suspected

6:04

You get late in the run, and in 39 Forever I start pointing out which parts of previous shows were the origin of the show being documented.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:05 PM

I never heard about Jack not wanting to do the 64-64 shows. Maybe he got quite bummed from the Aubrey snub.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:05 PM

Laura -- that he kept the old scripts close to hand, to adapt from?

 

garth_johnson  6:05 PM

That was the "Before"  --- here is the after -- The Tarzan routine with Carol Burnett

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:05 PM

Hal and Al were basically cutting up old scripts, sometimes into individual lines/gags, and stitching them back together.

6:06

Rodrigo - Yes, Jack didn't want Irving to try to sell the show back to NBC.  He wanted to do more symphony benefits and live performances.

6:06

And Tarzan was 1962 IIRC

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:06 PM

well  you can't blame them. that stuff was gold, and just sitting on a shelf in binders. One of my favorites is their snitching of PRINCE the mathematical dog, from early 1932, in the Dreer Poosen episode of 1950!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:06 PM

But Irving was Irving.

6:06

Kathy - Oh wow good for you!  I hadn't made that connection!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:07 PM

and sponsors would have thought BENNY was gold, the sponsors ALWAYS were more happy to back an old proven performer than some unknown...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:07 PM

But look at the final sequence with the coffee cup in Horn Blows at Midnight

 

garth_johnson  6:07 PM

Filmed Nov. 11 -- (5 BGE - Before Garth Era)

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:07 PM

Kathy - Miles Laboratories agrees

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:07 PM

you will see, Laura, when your copies of the first scripts book arrives on friday : )

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:08 PM

Kathy - Yay!  Happy dance!

6:08

I actually have a hard time with Jack doing the bit of being caught in the coffee cup

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:08 PM

Ben Ohmart and his staff did a lovely job

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:08 PM

It just doesn't work for me.

6:08

Kathy - And it's BLUE!

6:09

But Jack dancing with Ginger Rogers, I AY-DORE that show.

 

garth_johnson  6:09 PM

Next Volume RED?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:09 PM

Garth - LOL

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:09 PM

yay! the production guy had set it up in avocado green, and I panicked and told him I had an allergy to avocado since a green refrigerator of my Mom's scared me.....I picked a color near to Forever 39s

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:09 PM

So I throw out those (disjointed) thoughts on Jack doing physical comedy and the success or lack thereof.  Curious what others think.

6:10

All our Blue Benny Books

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:10 PM

I think Jack did physical comedy sparingly throughout his career. But when he found a good idea, it was genius!

 

garth_johnson  6:11 PM

Jack Benny is supposed to be "Banishing the blues."

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:11 PM

Kathy - So you're OK with the coffee cup?  Feel free to disagree with me...I like to hear different views.

6:11

Garth - Except eyes

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:11 PM

How would the cover look in a ginger ale-like color?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:12 PM

It would look like champagne...the champagne of ginger ales!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:12 PM

I think of a great routine he did on stage when he did an act at movie theaters before the show, and he'd start to play a number on the violin, and he had the film screen come down and the newsreel start playing in the middle of it. This is like 1932-33

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:12 PM

If I remember from your book, it would be from 1931 when he did the Capitol on Broadway.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:12 PM

Kathy - OK, I hear that.  But that's in character (even if it's more his later character), of things happening to him.

6:13

Like him playing the violin and the audience--or the Marquis Chimps--walking out on him.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:13 PM

well, if we have like 10 volumes ahead of us, we could do the colors of the rainbow, or have one more NBC Blue (which he was on) before one CBS (WHAT COLOR) and then NBC Red with the Chevrolet broadcasts

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:13 PM

Where Jack has to do something funny that's physical, that's less successful.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:14 PM

Black for CBS?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:14 PM

CBS would be Tiffany-colored

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:14 PM

hahaha Rodrigo, ahead of the Black Rock building

 

michael_amowitz  6:14 PM

All of the Jello colors?

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:14 PM

That would be four.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:14 PM

Good point Laura, maybe the best Jack physical comedy would still be so subtle, in film in To Be or Not to Be.....

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:15 PM

You'd keep confusing strawberry, raspberry, and cherry.

6:15

Kathy - Exactly.  On the nose.

 

garth_johnson  6:15 PM

The colours of the Laramie Peacock!

 

roger  6:15 PM

Red and  White for State Farm.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:15 PM

Imagine eating orange Jello over a cherry-colored book.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:15 PM

but his reactions to the chimps in that first TV Stars shine or whatever it was called, is so Keaton-esque

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:16 PM

See, I think a lot of you know that the other episode of the last season that will make me stand up and yell and throw things at the TV is the Cat Burglar show.

6:16

Kathy - Excellent comparison, although Jack is far from stone-faced.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:16 PM

Speaking of stone-faced, what would Fred Allen think of modern comedy?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:17 PM

oh! Jack is so scared of actual physical movement on TV....one of the few times it works for him is the parody of "The Graduate" when his nervousness around Mrs. Robinson/Phyllis Diller adds to the fun

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:17 PM

I can imagine that

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:17 PM

He sure wouldn't like how scatological humor has become so mainstream in the past 30 years.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:17 PM

The plot alone stinks...Jack is hypnotized into thinking that he is a cat, and ends up in a full-body cat suit, stealing things from other celebrities' homes, and drinking milk from a saucer.

 

Tom V.  6:17 PM

I'm embarassed to say I don't recall the Cat Burglar episode.

 

michael_amowitz  6:18 PM

Loved the chimps, but, for me at that time, it was a carryover from Kovacs' show

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:18 PM

Jack looks all of his 70 years when he's trying to pull that off.

6:18

Tom - It's not in circulation.  Thank GOD.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:18 PM

Rodrigo.....oh Fred was so acid on so many things....maybe he might actually like the streaming and online comedy that is not under the control of vice presidents and censors. I think he might like "Drunk History"

 

garth_johnson  6:18 PM

The essence of Benny's physical comedy

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:18 PM

that must have been embarassing

 

Tom V.  6:18 PM

That's why - LOL

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:18 PM

Mike - A little smaller though!

 

michael_amowitz  6:19 PM

I couldn't figure the coffee cup ... from the film? And I don't remember the cat burglar either

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:19 PM

Mike - The coffee cup sequence at the end of Horn Blows at Midnight

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:19 PM

not quite Pete Townsend distroying a guitar onstage, haha

 

garth_johnson  6:19 PM

 

michael_amowitz  6:20 PM

I thought soLL

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:20 PM

Where he ends up in this mechanized neon sign with a giant kettle pouring "coffee" into a bup

6:20

Kathy - If Jack had still been viable then, I could see him doing it!

6:20

cup not bup

 

garth_johnson  6:21 PM

I liked the routine --- found it a bit long as he dangles about --- but then I like "Safety Last"

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:21 PM

Garth - I like Safety Last too.  But Jack ain't no Harold Lloyd!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:21 PM

Jack has all the fingers on both hands : )

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:22 PM

Kathy - Thanks for reading my mind.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:22 PM

sorry, lame silent film joke

 

garth_johnson  6:22 PM

Fred Allen was presented ...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:22 PM

Fred Allen would HATE comedy today

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:23 PM

he might like the smartest podcasts, he would hate Judd Apatow comedies imho

 

michael_amowitz  6:23 PM

I think Fred would have liked Dick Cavett

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:23 PM

Fred's wicked sense of humor might enjoy the fact that there are no censors on streaming or youtube

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:23 PM

Heck, he hated it in the 1940s when he felt that (quoting from memory) "The jokes were written by a machine gun filled with ink."

6:24

Mike - Dick Cavett does the BEST Fred Allen impresonation of anyone anywhere.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:24 PM

At least he won't see "Dolittle" (with Bob Downey Jr) or "The Rock's" "Jumanji" films. And considering he had hypertension...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:24 PM

omg hopefully no!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:25 PM

Kathy - But he wouldn't be a fan of Howard Stern.

 

michael_amowitz  6:25 PM

I didn't know that, LL

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:25 PM

I have been reading columns of the two best radio critics, Jack Gould and John Crosby, and both of them ADORED Allen as their favorite comic and popular intellectual

 

garth_johnson  6:25 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:25 PM

I think he would have loved Jon Stewart, at least when he wasn't doing toilet humor.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:25 PM

He'd might have liked "Seinfeld", Stiller's films and "Community", but might as well chide them for being too "dark".

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:26 PM

haha great find, Garth!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:26 PM

INdeed!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:26 PM

Not implying Fred was a prude or something.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:26 PM

Gould and Crosby both had lunch with Fred Allen regularly, lucky them. Although I understand Allen was pretty acerbic and a downer

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:26 PM

That was a nice find

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:27 PM

Von Zell didn't seem to slow down Burns and Allen.

6:28

Kathy - I have a feeling he was different in vaudeville.  Just the differences between Treadmill to Oblivion and Much Ado About Me show his affection for vaudeville.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:28 PM

I am amused by the factoid that Allen and Portland lived so frugally that he left her a rather large fortune when he died. Whereas Mary Livingstone liked to spend the Benny's money hahaha

6:29

Laura, some of my very favorite Benny + Allen episodes are the ones where they spin vaudeville humor!!!!! Fink's Mules, the Japanese Flash acts,,,,,somebody's rats and cats!

 

garth_johnson  6:29 PM

Harry had a few more years of training before going to work for Gracie  the clip was from '38

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:29 PM

I can't remember whose book I was reading...who told a story of running into Fred Allen when he was REALLY steamed about something, and he started barking at them, but he was so daggoned funny in his criticism that they were rolling on the ground.

6:29

Powers' Elephants

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:30 PM

kind of like Lewis Black today

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:30 PM

Now looking at the future, do you think sassy, rather bawdy humor will remain popular post-pandemic or tastes will change again?

 

michael_amowitz  6:30 PM

I'm enjoying your John Crosby articles!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:30 PM

Dangit...who had rats and cats...

 

garth_johnson  6:30 PM

Starts with a "S" if I remember

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

Rodrigo - The challenge is in what comedy writers can produce.  If wit doesn't sell, then...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:31 PM

there is a great online archive of materials from the Keith/Albee vaudeville circuit, and Fred and Jack's love of the old stories makes me want to learn more! You can find some bills where Allen or Benny appear, as well as rats, cats, mules, Japanese acrobats and etc

 

garth_johnson  6:31 PM

Swain's

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:31 PM

Swain's Rats and Cats...that's it!

 

garth_johnson  6:32 PM

http://hatchingcatnyc.com/2018/11/23/swain-rats-cats-bronx/#:~:text=The%20rats%20and%20cats%20first,by%20the%20man's%20mild%20showmanship.

The Hatching Cat

1916: The Rats and Cats That Took to the Stage in Manhattan and the Bronx - The Hatching Cat

Billed as a comedy novelty, Swain's Rats and Cats act featured felines and rodents working in harmony to perform all sorts of aerial stunts and circus acts.

Nov 23rd, 2018

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:32 PM

Thanks Michael!!!! We enjoy finding them, and I am building an archive that I will share with folks,,,,,,Crosby wrote five 1000-word columns per week, so he wrote A LOT!

 

michael_amowitz  6:32 PM

I figure Milton Berle has all the jokes in his compendium, but I've never seen it. 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:33 PM

Well done, GArth!

 

michael_amowitz  6:33 PM

Wow, Garth!

 

garth_johnson  6:33 PM

Thank Google --- I had the name on the tip of my keyboard

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:33 PM

Didn't Berle publish a book called "Milton Berle's Joke File"?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:33 PM

really, would you want to follow the Rats and Cats on a vaudeville bill? haha scuffling over the litter and fur

 

michael_amowitz  6:34 PM

Yes, something like that, LL

 

garth_johnson  6:34 PM

Berl's Joke File --- Bob Hope's closet

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:34 PM

When you take a joke from Berle, you're repossessing it!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:35 PM

Dave Freedman had the original million joke file in the 1930s, and Eddie Cantor sued him about it. Unfortunately Freedman had a heart attack the day he was supposed to testify

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:35 PM

No, moreso because they'd probably be open or close, and I wouldn't want to be after either of those!

6:35

Rodrigo - Well said

6:35

Kathy - Wow!  Didn't know that!

 

michael_amowitz  6:36 PM

That's why I've always figured, that must have been a BIG book!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:36 PM

I saw W.C. Fields' joke file once on display.

6:36

Godfrey Daniels...

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:36 PM

I think even "blue" comedians would find modern comedy filthy...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:37 PM

Rodrigo - Definitely

6:37

One of the great honors of my life was Rusty Warren telling me to keep my knockers up!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:37 PM

which actually makes me appreciate Jack Benny all the more, that he and his writers kept thinking of new stuff, every week! Even after 1940, when they went back to some early stuff, they always polished it nearly totally (until mid 50s on radio)

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:38 PM

Also the beauty of doing non-topical humor.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:38 PM

well, its lazy...... stand up comics in live shows say dirty things just to get audiences laughing, they are not THINKING

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:38 PM

Kathy - Yep, again on the nose!

 

michael_amowitz  6:39 PM

Actually, Kathy, that made the visual of Marilyn Monroe and Jack come to mind.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:39 PM

What about the "lost art" of self-contained comedy episodes?

 

michael_amowitz  6:39 PM

All you needed was the image of them together

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:39 PM

It's easy to (comedically) "grab for the crotch"...it takes a whole other talent to write a good joke.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:40 PM

Like with "The Odd Couple": There were like ten episodes about how Felix and Oscar met.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:40 PM

Michael, Jack and his writers handled that episode SO WELL! She was terrified of going on TV, and how not to just appeal to the lowest common denominator, that is a great episode, skates on the edge of sexual desire and then spins it'

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:40 PM

George Balzer was known to gripe to his family about how current writers had forgotten the "rules of comedy"

 

garth_johnson  6:41 PM

"I just can't help myself" --- classic

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:41 PM

Or the "Mr. Wonderful" gag that Jack did on TV, and then on stage as well

6:42

I think he did it with both male and female singers...just didn't kiss the male ones!

6:42

Well, shall we call it good for this week?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:42 PM

Just want to say how very much I appreciate this group! Love of Benny, but also very smart commentary on comedy and history and culture

 

garth_johnson  6:43 PM

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:43 PM

 

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:43 PM

Hallelujah!  Agreed, Kathy!

6:43

That looks like Berle kissing Sinatra!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:43 PM

Well, Sammy Davis, Jr. kissed Archie Bunker. Things the post-sexual revolution people wouldn't understand.

 

garth_johnson  6:44 PM

I don't trust Shutterstock captions

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:44 PM

haha great line, Rodrigo!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:44 PM

There was a headline of "Burns Busses Benny"

 

Tom V.  6:44 PM

I was gonna say, that doesn't look like Jack's hair!

 

garth_johnson  6:44 PM

 

michael_amowitz  6:45 PM

Hey, that was taken 6 days after I graduated from high school Lol, that one brought the house down, Rodrigo.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:45 PM

Did anyone outside L.A. read "Hush" and those 1950s-era gossip rags? Did anyone take them seriously at all? Or were they regarded as fake news?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:45 PM

hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:45 PM

And if I sit here a couple minutes, Garth will have the associated photo at the ready

 

michael_amowitz  6:45 PM

They were the National Enquirer or TMZ of their day

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:45 PM

Berle just forgot he wasn't in drag.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:46 PM

Rodrigo, I think YES and no, they were the start of the new paparrazzi (sp) celebrity journalism. I like finding old Confidentials

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:46 PM

Rodrigo - I think it's kind of like the "National Enquirer."

6:46

Yeah, Mike got it.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:46 PM

book by Anne Peterson on Hollywood Celebrity in the 1950s talks about this.....

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:46 PM

The National Enquirer was founded in 1926, at the same time "Broadway Brevities" and other papers appeared.

 

michael_amowitz  6:46 PM

I appreciate this group too, y'all. I'm often surprised by what I didn't know, and we've been around awhile!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:47 PM

I have one of those with a headline "The Photos that made Benny BURN!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:47 PM

usually its pictures of Jack as Gracie Allen!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:47 PM

Rodrigo - But it was a different paper then.  CNN recently did an outstanding documentary on them.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:47 PM

cross dressing, god forbid haha

 

Tom V.  6:47 PM

Michael - Me, too!   I learn so much from this group!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:48 PM

Kathy - That's it.  Jack in drag for a benefit.

6:48

I learn from this group too!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:48 PM

such anxiety over compulsory standards of heterosexual masculinity, as the academics might say

 

michael_amowitz  6:49 PM

My favorite National Enquirer headline ever:

Brooke Shields Announces Wedding Plans

She was 14

Oh, I have to see this!

They weren't lying.

"I plan to get married someday."

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:49 PM

omg hahah!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:49 PM

Kathy - I think we still wrestle with that.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:49 PM

But the man in the street didn't care much until the 1970s. Otherwise, "The Odd Couple" couldn't have happened.

 

garth_johnson  6:49 PM

Inquiring Minds ....

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:50 PM

Just like I wrestle with my self-image over compulsory standards of heterosexual femininity.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:50 PM

its fascinating to see that public reaction changed every decade. What about Charley's Aunt in 1940? The whole point to it was Jack Benny in an old Ladies's dress. That would not have flown in the 1950s

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:50 PM

Garth - I finally got the inside scoop on that after I interviewed Eddie Villery.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:50 PM

Well, not after "Seduction of the Innocent" was published, Kathy.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:51 PM

well when it did as Jack dressed as Gracie Allen, the reviews said it was the MOST CONTROVERSIAL tv episode of Jack's career!

6:51

Laura, you and me both : )

 

garth_johnson  6:51 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:51 PM

And yet Monty Python did just fine.  Maybe because they had the Shakespeare connection...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:52 PM

Garth, yes! I love to show this to my undergrads, and tell them that in 1948 the shocking thing was Benny and not Jolson!!!!

 

michael_amowitz  6:52 PM

I don't know, Kathy ... I've never seen any of Tyler Perry's Madea (spelling it wrong) movies, but it seems like the same premise to me

 

garth_johnson  6:52 PM

Brit audiences are used to guys in drag - panto and other music hall theatre

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:53 PM

That's the correct spelling, Mike.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:53 PM

the playing with gender continued, decade after decade. Its just the US public response that kept changing!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:53 PM

Garth - Exactly

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:53 PM

P.S. Haven't seen those movies either.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:53 PM

and yet the Tyler Perry movies are VERY popular with conservative Christians, that is great, and it makes me laugh too...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:54 PM

And now you have RuPaul

 

garth_johnson  6:54 PM

Actually Jolson shocked a few people  he hadn't blacked up in awhile --- here's the caption -- 1948 - FROLICKING FRIARS -- Know 'em?  The gentleman at right might be recognized by veteran movie goers as Al Jolson. He is pictured in black face for the first time in 21 years.  But the "lady" on the left -- No, that is not Gracie Allen, that, believe it or not, is Jack Benny, as Gracie Allen.  They are shown during intermission of the Friar's Frolic in which a million-dollar array of talent performed for charity at the Philharmonic Auditorium in Los Angeles.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:54 PM

Kathy - Are they?  That's kind of ...facinating

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:54 PM

Alec Guinness in Kind Hearts and Coronets playing both the male and female heirs

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:54 PM

Jolson stopped doing blackface in 1927?

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:55 PM

I think that may have been the source of the photos that "Made Benny BURN"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:55 PM

there was quite the Jolson renaissance in 1948 with the Jolson Story release, everything he did was golden, even though all of it was based in the 1920s...... eek

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:55 PM

He does it in Jazz Singer, but I need to catch up on the rest of my Jolie movies.

 

garth_johnson  6:56 PM

Radio Best Magazine

 

 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:56 PM

so, for nostalgic reasons, but I would say also tied into postwar conflicts over civil rights, it was a mess ,.....and worthy of somebody's Master's thesis...

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:56 PM

He was the World's Greatest Entertainer, but his acting came with a substantial side of ham.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:56 PM

the DETAILS of Jack in his undies are amazing!!!!

 

michael_amowitz  6:57 PM

lol

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:57 PM

I feel like I read somewhere that he enjoyed shaving his legs!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:57 PM

also, who knew he had so much chest hair, hahahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:57 PM

Well, *I* did.  And so did Barbara...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:58 PM

hahaha!!!!!

6:58

folks, this is just great, but I am afraid I must go for the evening. Laura, we will be in touch and thanks everyone!!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:58 PM

She put an arrow on one photo that said, "Note back hair"

6:58

Sounds good!

6:59

Thanks all...I'll hopefully see you next week!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:59 PM

Good night.

 

garth_johnson  6:59 PM

We're a little late ...

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:59 PM

Don't let the NBC VP find out.

 

Neil Ottenstein  7:00 PM

Good night

 

michael_amowitz  7:00 PM

Take care, Kathy, LL, Rodrigo, Garth, Neil, Tom, and anyone I missed!

 

garth_johnson  7:00 PM

At least we don't get cut off for a commercial (Kathy any new books to plug?)

 

Tom V.  7:00 PM

Good night, folks.

Sunday, July 19th

 

 

garth_johnson  4:55 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:55 PM

Well done

 

garth_johnson  4:56 PM

I'm toasted --- a balmy 80f in the igloo this afternoon

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:56 PM

Do you taste better?

4:56

Feel free to consider that a rhetorical question

 

garth_johnson  4:57 PM

No, but I am milder and lighter

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:57 PM

And naturally finer

 

Neil Ottenstein  4:58 PM

extremely hot and humid here

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:58 PM

Cleaner, fresher, smoother!

 

garth_johnson  4:58 PM

So tell us the story of the Tiffany goodies

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:58 PM

Be happy, go Lucky

4:58

Oh yes, right here on the desk.

 

garth_johnson  4:58 PM

If I am lucky, I'll go happy!

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:59 PM

Not much to tell, Hazel tipped me off to them on eBay, and I bought them.

 

garth_johnson  4:59 PM

Did you not already have a pair?

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:59 PM

Nope

4:59

I also don't have a Jack Benny 39-cent check

4:59

Been offered many of them, but not for a price I wanted to pay.

5:02

Hi Rodrigo!  And Neil, and Nathan

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:02 PM

Hell everyone

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

Hello.

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

Why do people want to recoup storage costs on such paper --- it is beyond me --- now something like a poster

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:02 PM

I have that sign!

5:03

It's a freakin' billboard.  Comes in pieces

5:03

How's everyone doing tonight?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Not doing much. Being Sunday of course, it's time for Benny.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:04 PM

Just finished dinner. We've been watching To the Manor Born again on Sunday nights

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Any Benny questions or comments on anyone's mind?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

Does anybody want to play a trivia?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Yes!  But I'll give everyone a chance.

5:05

in the zoo

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:05 PM

Have you done this previously by any chance?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Not on the chat

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:07 PM

Here's an easy one: What flub involved a musical instrument?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:08 PM

A grass reek

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

You'll be sorry!

5:08

Oops! Wrong show.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Anyone?  Any guesses?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

All right, it involves sitting.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

A cello

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

Well, the instrument has strings, but it's not a bowed.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

I actually don't know the answer, even if it's an easy one

5:10

A harp

5:10

A piano

5:11

A guitar

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

Piano b...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

A zither

5:11

An autoharp

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

Piano...

 

garth_johnson  5:11 PM

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

Where do you sit when playing the piano?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

A stool sample?

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

You sit on stage

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

You sit by the keys

 

garth_johnson  5:13 PM

LL - only in Florida

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:13 PM

(This is not going as Rodrigo had planned)

5:13

Garth - Nyuk nyuk nyuk

5:13

You sit on a bench

5:13

Mary becomes a real bench?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:14 PM

Bunch!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:14 PM

Ralph Bunche?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:14 PM

Bunch! Piano bunch!

5:14

Hair! Hair!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

Blank stare

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:15 PM

In fact, Jack would like it if no one answers.

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

Crickets

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

OK, I give up

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

It was a piano bunch.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

Whatever show it is, you've heard it way more recently than I have.

5:16

So what's the flub?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

Phil or Jack said "piano bunch" instead of "piano bench".

5:17

Not as good as "chiss sweese" or "Drear Pooson".

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Wow, I probably logged, it ,but I don't remember it.

5:17

Man, you're tough!

 

garth_johnson  5:18 PM

Here's a simple one from the Radio Era -- who is Geography

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

OK, let's go to the show and finish up Yosemite

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:18 PM

Got the idea from the 1942 episode where Jack parodies "Take It Or Leave It",

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

OK, holding for Garth's question

5:18

The father of our country?

5:19

Doo wah ditty?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

Does Garth's question have to do with a town in New Jersey?

 

garth_johnson  5:19 PM

Hint number 1 - It's a Phil Harris-ism

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:20 PM

Lozenges!

5:20

Er, Los Angeles.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:20 PM

I was wondering if it was a school days joke

5:21

J'ai manger la fenetre

 

garth_johnson  5:21 PM

Hint Number 2 - Fans of the Fred Allen Program would band  together to conduct me elsewhere

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:21 PM

Portland?

5:22

Peter Van Steeden?

5:22

Mr. Ramshaw?

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

Ferde Grofe's brother - George

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:22 PM

Charlie McCarthy?

5:22

Wow

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:23 PM

Just when I thought about Wallington.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:23 PM

I have found Benny trivia air that is too rareified for me.

5:23

I do remember that gag, now that you mention it.

 

garth_johnson  5:23 PM

Phil had his school home work -

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

Right, I figured it was from that era...that's why I made the French reference.

 

garth_johnson  5:24 PM

lets listen to jack ...

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:24 PM

Yes, let's do.

5:25

Oh dangit...I did it again.  One moment please.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:25 PM

Never thought Ferdie Grofe had a brother...

 

garth_johnson  5:44 PM

Evein' Folks -- how y'all  --- That's right. you're right, chillun a question from Kay Kyser

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:56 PM

Francis?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:56 PM

Haven;t had Jello in ages

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

If you listen to enough of these shows in a short period, it becomes a compulsion

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:56 PM

I'd think so

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:57 PM

I wonder if that recipe would work with chocolate pudding

5:57

Voice of experience on the compulsion

5:57

Grape Nuts Flakes did not, nor Luckies thank God

5:57

So thoughts on the show?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:57 PM

What about Canada Dry?

5:58

Chevrolet? General Tire?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:58 PM

Jack spent a lot of money

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:58 PM

Not enough recordings, and Thorgerson wasn't as persuasive as Don

5:59

Neil - Indeed.  A wonder he didn't have Roch play Casino with Bill Morrow

 

garth_johnson  5:59 PM

They seemed to be running out of steam with this fourth episode , would have been nice to have a guest like Barbara Stanwyck

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

That's a good point.  It's mainly repeated gags.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:59 PM

My favorite line was Rochester's "I knew we'd get there, but I didn't know how" (edited) 

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

But the whole thing is a skit, so they couldn't go into a skit of, say, Double Indemnity.

6:00

Other thoughts?

6:01

OK, we're at the top of the hour...let's call it good and we'll reconvene in a week!

   

Rodrigo Araya  6:01 PM

Good night.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:02 PM

Stay safe, stay healthy folks!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:02 PM

Thanks for the fun 

 

Saturday, July 25th

 

 

garth_johnson  3:41 PM

... that's Geography! - 1949-01-16

 

Sunday, July 26th

 

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:58 PM

Hey Garth

 

garth_johnson  4:58 PM

Good evening, Easterners — good afternoon, Westerners – and good morning, Siam!

"I've Got The Potatoes - But Someone Else Has Got My Girl"

The harmonious shenanigans of Brice Moss and Neal Siegal at the Moss family Garden Party of May 2019 substitute for Paul Small and the George Olsen Orchestra "lost broadcast" of May 23, 1932

 

Neil Ottenstein  4:59 PM

Nice

 

garth_johnson  4:59 PM

It is darn hard to find all those old songs that George didn't record

 

Laura Leibowitz  4:59 PM

He recorded a ton

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

Ya - I've got a tonne of MP3s --- but not of stuff he did on the show

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:00 PM

I have no idea how many 78s I have wth him.

5:00

It's a really nice rendition!

5:01

George Segal used to be good about bringing back old songs like that.

5:02

He did an amazing rendition of "Down Among the Sheltering Palms" on Carson once.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:02 PM

howdy folks!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:02 PM

Hi Kathy!  Hi Neil!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:02 PM

Howdy all

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

I am looking for a copy of "Its going to be OK. America!" or whatever Olsen's song was

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Hello, folks.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:03 PM

Hi Rodrigo!

5:03

I have a legal-sized file cabinet-plus of vintage sheet music.  I might have it.

5:03

It doesn't ring a bell, though.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

By any chance, does that Olsen song have any relation to Walter Winchell?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

we may have to wait until after election day to sing it, hahahah

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Why, because Winchell stole other people's gals?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

In the summer of 1932, Olsen and Winchell appeared on the Lucky Strike Dance Party.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

Kathy - LOL...I was thinking about that.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

yikes, too small a radio world!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

Phil also appeared in late '32.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

I'll be doggoned!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:05 PM

As did Abe Lyman and Jack... Denny.

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

Speaking of sheet music, I need a violinist to record this --just like a teen-aged Ben Kubelksy would

PDF 

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

Garth - You doing a project with it?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

The show ran thrice a week (Tue, Thu, Sat) and featured music, gossip, comedy and drama.

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

I saw it mentioned here, so I collected a copy of the sheet music

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

Wicnhell handled the gossip

5:07

Garth - Ah, excellent catch!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:07 PM

Among the comedians were Bert Lahr and Jack Pearl (Vass you dere, Sharley?)

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Doing Baron Munchausen?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

Regarding last week as Fred Allen would say (let me put on the clothespin):

"There was an attempt to do a trivia about Benny... I hope Bob Ripley is listening. Things didn't work out as planned."

5:09

That's right, Laura.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

Yes, indeed.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

great Allen representation, Rodrigo!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

Hey Kathy...want to talk about scrapbooks?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

O.K. America!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

SURE! glad to tell everyone that the operation is going, #1 is done and it is amazing

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

That was Winchell's catchphrase in '32.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:11 PM

By the way, I do have a copy of "Ancestors Would Rise from their Graves to See Cuba Free" sheet music.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

Barbara Thunell's scrapbooks are among the MOST complete, longest-lasting of any scrapbook that "fan scholars" have ever studied!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

I so want to learn more from Barbara about the materials, she hinted that she raided libraries for her finds

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

Benny contraband!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

WOW Rodrigo! may I please post that to my facebook feed with credit to you!!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:12 PM

When did Winchell change to "Good evening Mr. and Mrs. North America and all the ships at sea, let's go to press"

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:13 PM

I found that on Google.

5:15

You see, I joined the chat a couple of minutes late, so I thought you were talking about "It's Going to Be OK, America", not"I've Got the Potatoes".

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:15 PM

so, I can say that my scanner works pretty well; I am saving both pdf and jpeg versions of each page. Barbara found materials from fan magazines, newspapers, trade papers, industry stuff from CBS, and we won't talk about where the pebbles from somebody's driveway came from, hahaha

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:15 PM

No problem, Rodrigo!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:15 PM

is the Potatoes song one of Eddie Cantor's?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

You may be thinking of "Now's the Time to Fall in Love"

 

brad_strickland  5:16 PM

Hello, Mr.  Benneee!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

Similar lyric, though

5:16

Hi Brad!  Haven't seen you in a while!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

Hello Brad!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

I don't think the other involves tomatoes as well...

 

brad_strickland  5:16 PM

Been dodging the Covid.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Potatoes are cheaper, tomatoes are cheaper...now's the time to fall in love

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:17 PM

I hear the prices on both tomatoes and potatoes are getting more reasonable

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:17 PM

That's the one.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Brad - I'll bet

 

brad_strickland  5:17 PM

I've been trying for fifteen minutes to get Slack to let me in. I kept getting a "server error" until I changed browsers.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

It's a convenient rhyme!

 

brad_strickland  5:17 PM

Hi, Kathy!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

OK...should we go to the show?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:18 PM

Hi Brad, hopefully you have seen that the first volume of Benny 1932 scripts is finally out, hooray!

 

brad_strickland  5:18 PM

OK with me, if Firefox agrees.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

And they look amazing!

 

brad_strickland  5:18 PM

Kathy, no I haven't! Title? Publisher?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:18 PM

typos and all : )

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

Har har har

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:18 PM

Jack Benny: The Lost Radio Shows

 

brad_strickland  5:18 PM

Har rah har. Oops.,

5:19

Available on Amazon?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

By Jack Benny AND Harry Conn.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:19 PM

Bear Manor Media, and Laura that will be "hair hair, what;s on top of your head"  and Amazon

 

garth_johnson  5:19 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

Kathy - I was thinking about evolving that to "hair hair"

 

brad_strickland  5:19 PM

Terrific! I'm so there. I've made a note to self to get it.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:19 PM

OK...hope you like what I picked for tonight

5:20

watch2gether.com

Let's meet on Watch2Gether

If you join the chat while the show is in progress, please go to the above link!

 

michael_amowitz  5:40 PM

Hi kids! I'll be along shortly ... just glad to get in!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:46 PM

Hi Mike!

5:47

So thoughts, comments?

 

roger  5:47 PM

Great episode!

 

brad_strickland  5:47 PM

I liked it. Wanted to tell Kathy I just ordered the book. In harcover. It's expensive, but worth it!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:47 PM

Oh hey Roger!

 

garth_johnson  5:47 PM

Hi Irving!

 

michael_amowitz  5:47 PM

No thoughts from me yet ... I just caught up on chat 

 

brad_strickland  5:48 PM

Hi, Michael!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:48 PM

I wonder if the same gorilla suit was used on every network show

 

roger  5:48 PM

Hi Laura!

 

michael_amowitz  5:48 PM

Hi Brad, I saw you had troubles getting in too 

 

brad_strickland  5:49 PM

It looks like Bob Burns's gorilla outfit.

5:49

If he's credited, that's his.

 

michael_amowitz  5:49 PM

So did Lucy have to deal with Jack's bank guard?

 

garth_johnson  5:49 PM

Probably -- one actor, can't remember who - will have to search facebook, did many of the gorrilla appearances

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:49 PM

what inspired you to pick this?

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:49 PM

Neil - Just wanted to do something different, a non-Benny show appearance.

5:50

I hadn't seen it in a while, so figured maybe others would enjoy revisiting it.

5:50

The first time I saw it was in the Waukegan Public Library!

 

michael_amowitz  5:50 PM

I expect i saw it at the time

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:50 PM

I don't think I ever saw it.  Nothing about the gorilla suit in the imdb page for the episode

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:51 PM

I'm going to do a conscious spoiler because I dislike the Abbe Lane episode so much

5:51

Lane plays the sex-mad wife of a mad scientist (Jack) working in the jungle of wherever.

5:52

He's trying to invent a banana peel with hair on it so you don't slip on it.

 

garth_johnson  5:52 PM

 

brad_strickland  5:52 PM

This is the Bob Burns gorilla.

  

Laura Leibowitz  5:52 PM

Then Dennis shows up, she falls in love with him, somehow Dennis gets injected with the banana serum, comes back in a gorilla suit and carries off Abbe Lane.

5:53

Cool, Brad!

 

brad_strickland  5:53 PM

Whoops, I linked to the wrong picture. But Burns made several and usually wore them, mostly for comedy shows.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:53 PM

Did they use Salvador Dali as script consultant?

 

michael_amowitz  5:53 PM

lol

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:54 PM

Rodrigo - I know...someone was smoking something pretty bad when they came up with the concept.

5:54

And believe it or not, the actual show is even cornier than the premise with lots of additional sight gags more suited to the Soupy Sales show.

 

brad_strickland  5:54 PM

So Savador meets a woman with beautiful hair and asks, "What product keeps your hair so soft and shiny?" "Halo, Dali."

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:54 PM

Ba-doom

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

Does everyone know about the Marx Brothers movie that was written by Salvador Dali?

 

brad_strickland  5:55 PM

Ya kin tell I'm on the laptop with the itty bitty keys and fat fingers.....

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

I think I heard about it

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:55 PM

Yes, I've heard about it.

 

brad_strickland  5:55 PM

Yes, I actually read the treatment for that movie.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:55 PM

I had the script by my chair for a while, but I straightened up a week ago and took it down to my "to read" shelf.

 

garth_johnson  5:55 PM

Hey --- we are sponsored by Palmolive-Peet none of this "Halo" stuff

 

michael_amowitz  5:55 PM

I'm going to be surprised

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

Garth - Or Lux

 

brad_strickland  5:56 PM

Dennis gives you a bar of soap and then asks you to return it? He's cheaper than his boss!!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:56 PM

Maybe he compliments you before asking for it back.

 

garth_johnson  5:57 PM

That silly kid --- somebody should talk to him

 

brad_strickland  5:57 PM

Ah, like the peanuts in our neighborhood bar that keep telling you how nice you look. Complimentary peanuts, of course.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:58 PM

that was painful Brad

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:58 PM

Neil - If you haven't seen that show, you may not know that the set for the vault was the most expensive one done for TV up to that date.

 

garth_johnson  5:58 PM

'fraid not in my local establishment

 

brad_strickland  5:58 PM

I got a million of 'em.

5:58

And yet . . . the radio vault was funnier.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:59 PM

So, does that mean that TV producers of the 50s and 60s were cheaper than Jack?

 

michael_amowitz  5:59 PM

I grew up to the video version ... loved it

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:59 PM

Laura - thanks for the info. I don't think I watched much of The Lucy Show.  Watched loads of I Love Lucy though.

 

garth_johnson  5:59 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:59 PM

If only we could find a film of the SFX person doing the vault.  I guess the best is Ray Erlenborn at OTR conventions.

6:00

Garth- Yepper, that's the vault I knew first!

 

brad_strickland  6:00 PM

BTW, if ever you are in Warm Springs, GA, the Little White House museum has Jack's safe.

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:00 PM

Yes, the March of Dimes safe!

 

garth_johnson  6:00 PM

Beware of Dog

 

brad_strickland  6:00 PM

Unfortunately, the only photo I got of it was ruined by glare. That's the one, Laura!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:00 PM

Well done, Garth

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:00 PM

Nice

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:01 PM

OK, we're at the top of the hour.  Anything else Benny-wise?

 

garth_johnson  6:01 PM

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:01 PM

Tell Glare to mind her own business

 

brad_strickland  6:01 PM

Eddie Carroll had a small role in Lucile Ball's last series, one episode, but I'm not sure it ever even aired. Wish I could see it!

 

garth_johnson  6:01 PM

Good health to all from .... RCA Victor

 

michael_amowitz  6:02 PM

lol

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:02 PM

Garth - Good health to your Jack Russell Terrier too

 

brad_strickland  6:02 PM

Oh, my gosh, a Jack Russell? Hey, I was Wishbone's biographer!

 

michael_amowitz  6:02 PM

Brad, check with Stu Shostak

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

Good call, Mike.

 

garth_johnson  6:03 PM

1950's - Griff Barnett The Rexall Family Druggist

 

brad_strickland  6:03 PM

Will do, Micheael!

 

Laura Leibowitz  6:03 PM

OK, let's call it good for this week, and the official chat is next Sunday.

6:03

Stay well, stay strong folks!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:03 PM

Thanks

 

brad_strickland  6:04 PM

I will endeavor to be among the present. Bye!

 

michael_amowitz  6:04 PM

Yay! i've got my drugs!

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:04 PM

Bye

 

michael_amowitz  6:04 PM

Have a great week, folks!

 

garth_johnson  6:04 PM

see you all at the next once cent  sale

 

roger  6:04 PM

Thanks Laura and all!

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:04 PM

Good night.