IJBFC Happy Hours - June, 2020

 

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Sunday, June 7th

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

MPEG 4 Video 

 

1947, YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK.mp4

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

I saw the photo of Alois Havrilla.

 

garth_johnson  5:03 PM

If I may be slightly political --- I had to tie in D-Day with Mayer's birthday

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:04 PM

 

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

Here I went and "Meyer" ized the article and I get called out by LL

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:05 PM

Do they show the Ahwanee Hotel?  It had to change its name recently, but I think they changed it back.

5:05

I'm sorry!

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

No big deal - better one complaint about spelling than 97

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:06 PM

I'm sure there's still stuff out there that I wrote that has "Meyer" in it.

 

Doug Kiser  5:06 PM

Hello everybody!

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:07 PM

In fact, I should look at my Marcia Borie biography to see how they spelled it there since Florence was interviewed for that book.

5:07

Hi Doug!

5:08

Is my computer super slow or is it just quiet?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Yeah. Not too many people in here.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:08 PM

OK.

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

I have not much to say today

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:09 PM

Hey Rodrigo, how's everything down your way?  There's so much going on up here.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

Nothing much.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:10 PM

OK.  I hear about Latin America getting hit with COVID and I worry about you.

5:10

Well, hey, let's get to the show then.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

I'm listening to another episode.

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:16 PM

Doug - Did we lose you?

 

garth_johnson  5:17 PM

Need a few more people to enjoy the show

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:17 PM

Exactly.

5:18

Ok, well let's put it on hold and see who we get next week then!

5:18

Or on hiatus as the case may be

 

garth_johnson  5:18 PM

I can't think of a lock-down routine right now

 

Laura Leibowitz  5:18 PM

Thanks for stopping...now back to your regularly scheduled evening...

5:19

The Vault

5:19

Have fun, folks!

 

garth_johnson  5:19 PM

Till we meet again ....

 

Doug Kiser  5:46 PM

Sorry I was listening to the show.

5:46

I got a late start to the show as I got my wife Jill to join me!  

Sunday, June 14th

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:56 PM

hello, anybody (as Jack said in 1932)

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:57 PM

Won't you tell me when we will meet again...

4:57

Sunday, Monday or Always...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:57 PM

Hi Rodrigo!

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:57 PM

Imagine the Rochmeister singing it.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:58 PM

my speakers can't quite handle that much gravelly sound hahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:58 PM

I came up with that because things wrapped up early last Sunday.

4:58

Got my mail?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:58 PM

yes, did you get the pdf of the the Benny book I sent you? Or do I need to send it again?

4:59

I sent a LINK to the book on my dropbox files

 

Rodrigo Araya  4:59 PM

Haven't looked my personal mail in the past few days.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  4:59 PM

ah HA a good reason to look : )

5:00

and now there is this new book, a collection of Jack's first 26 radio scripts from 1932 : )

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

Howzabout sharing with the fellers the photo I sent?

5:02

I know you're there, Garth.

 

garth_johnson  5:02 PM

Kathy - You've caused me some grief --- Do I spend $38 Canadian and get a copy from Amazon with free shipping, Or do I buy a copy, send it to your address and have you bundle it with that other item.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:02 PM

   

5:03

Garth, for special friends, check your email : )  and did you get the link to the Benny Radio UCalifornia mss from my dropbox account?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

I'm downloading the book. Thanks, Kathy.

 

garth_johnson  5:04 PM

Yes reading the e-book yesterday while windows was updating

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

yay, well I will do the same with the new publication, for you : )

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

That is most generous

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:05 PM

The ad I sent Kathy some time ago is from "The Big Broadcast of 1937".

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

I saw that Ben commented that "you should get all the credit" you should reply --- "I want cash!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:05 PM

Rodrigo, its AMAZING! thank you for sharing with me, and us!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:07 PM

One of the songs from the movie was the FIRST tune Phil Harris' band played in the show.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:07 PM

well, I want everybody to know that I arranged for the Jack Benny estate to get 50% of the few dollars that will result in royalties from the book, it seemed appropriate. Now Harry Conn is not going to get a penny hahaha

 

 

garth_johnson  5:07 PM

Hair! Hair! sound like a good exchange!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Well, some extremely thirsty fellows in the desert drank Canada Dry and none of them said it was bad.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

Benny and Conn (and Mary ) seemed to work together so well from 1932-1935, afterwards things started to sour. Ben Ohmart is already starting production on volume 2, hooray!!!!

5:09

wait until you see the monkeys in the zoo drinking the beverage

 

garth_johnson  5:10 PM

Now we know what is on Andrea's list

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:11 PM

Today's Tralfaz post has to do with Canada Dry.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

WOW, that is a great image! Amusingly, she will have relatively few lines on the show, you will see MARY take a much more prominent place (whereas she definitely played second banana to Ethel Shutta)

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

Andrea was mainly Weem's vocalist so not unexpected.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:12 PM

Don Yowp writes the most amazing things!!!! This post about Jack on Ed Sullivan a few weeks before the Canada Dry broadcasts began is terrific

 

garth_johnson  5:14 PM

Don has that 'Radio Voice' way of writing --- He writes for my local news radio station.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

Garth I need to send you something I just found in the New York Herald Tribune from I think 1926, Jack Benny is listed as playing a big NY theater along with Al Bernivici and a partner called "Bebe Marsh".... so I wonder if its Babe, or if its Sadye, as Sayde sometimes called herself Marie Marsh.... I will send it to you

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:15 PM

Considering Jack had crossed paths with Babe Marks in the mid-20s.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

yes Rodrigo, we don't know the full story of how much Jack knew the Markowitz family.... but its fun to find little snippets of information

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

If not for her, Jack would have never found Mary.

 

garth_johnson  5:17 PM

Kathy that would be interesting --- I've been running down the Kublic Storm this week. Some things in the time line just don't make sense

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:17 PM

"An ostrich, a polar bear and a camel!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:18 PM

and Garth, here is a bit of exciting potential news, Laura is investigating creating space on Benny website to post the scans I hope to be making soon from Barbara Thunell's amazing scrapbooks. My research fund has just bought me a big scrapbook scanner, so I am hopeful to get started scanning!

5:19

The first thing I plan to scan is the amazing Friars Club programme/book honoring Jack and George Burns in I think 1972. Its got a cover by Peter Max, and great ads and articles inside.

 

garth_johnson  5:19 PM

I thought the __current__ Scrapbooking fad had died away ...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:20 PM

Things haven't returned to normal yet.

 

garth_johnson  5:20 PM

 

5:20

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:20 PM

well, but historical scrapbooks are "hot" in the academic world, as evidence of fan activity way back when .....

5:22

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

It's fun what shows up on ebay every now and then --- allows for dating scrapbooks stuff

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:22 PM

This is CLEARLY from the early 70s!

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

1972 - May 13 to be exact

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:22 PM

I spent some money and purchased a copy of this, 1972 yes Rodrigo!!! So it will be the first thing I post from my new scanner : )

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:23 PM

"I want the world to hear how much this Waukegan weasel pays my boy!"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

hahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:24 PM

Guess the episode?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:24 PM

Dennis's first radio episode?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:24 PM

Nope.

 

garth_johnson  5:24 PM

It's not 60/40

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:24 PM

Four years later.

 

garth_johnson  5:24 PM

Sorry thats a burns and allen routine

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:25 PM

really, its a Gracie line?

 

garth_johnson  5:25 PM

No Kathy --- I was reading the 1972 program and it seemed right to type

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:25 PM

hahahaha that is funny

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:26 PM

I've listened to some late 1939 episodes (Thanksgiving and Christmas) and the characters did sound "off" compared to later seasons.

5:26

Jack still had his nasal early 30s drawl, Rochester's voice was not raspy enough and Dennis sounded quite shy.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:27 PM

For another project, I am downloading all of radio critic John Crosby's rude comments about Jack Benny and the show. Don Yowp and the Trafalz blogs have gotten most of them, but there are a coupl on Dennis Day and Mel Blanc his sharp eyes might have missed.....

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

Noo Yawkers preferred Fred.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:27 PM

I agree with you, Rodrigo!

5:28

Crosby, in particular, was a HUGE Fred Allen fan, anybody else paled in comparison. JC especially HATED Bob Hope and Red Skelton, its funny to read his screeds

 

garth_johnson  5:28 PM

After reading Crosby I need a few columns from Cynthia Lowry to level off

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:29 PM

Henry Morgan was also another huge F.A. fan of course.

5:29

"Esquire" writers to.

5:29

Too.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:29 PM

great point, Rodrigo, and Crosby LOVED Henry Morgan. Its fascinating to trace the connections between these folks

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:31 PM

Seems the contempt from North-Easterners for L.A. people has lasted forever.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:31 PM

There is the silliest Crosby profile in Esquire, plays into JC's disdain for female performers and female audiences. I still think he's snarky and brilliant but love to call out how poorly he thought of women

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:32 PM

One article bemoaned the fact Allen was off the air (it was speculated he would retire permanently after not returning in Sep. '43).

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:32 PM

YES, the East vs West kerfuffle is so interesting to chart in the 40s and early 50s. But we need to do this, as too many "academic" early TV historians just assume TV started in Los Angeles. Drives me crazy hahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:32 PM

From 1956 yes.

5:33

Until 1955, there were many shows coming from NY and Chicago.

 

garth_johnson  5:33 PM

Television was made in New York City?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:33 PM

I am so grateful for you all, Garth and Rodrigo, for being interested in radio and TV history... most "academics" are not (see above where it drives me crazy)

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

For some reason, TV left the Windy City after Du Mont folded.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:33 PM

There is a great book to be written about the history of Chicago TV (and radio before it)

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:34 PM

Anyway, I think 1945 was the year L.A. replaced N.Y. as the U.S.'s "entertainment capital".

5:34

Maybe 1946.

 

garth_johnson  5:34 PM

Media Experts - all have their own point of view and its usually biased to when they were 8 years old.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:35 PM

Movies aren't everything.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:35 PM

yes, Garth! I bring that topic up a lot in my own history courses, then replicate the damn thing when I teach a course on 1960s media hahaha

 

garth_johnson  5:35 PM

Fortunatly when I was 8, I was listening to Jack Benny radio re-runs

5:36

Sadly that was 1975

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:36 PM

very few university courses combine "film" and broadcasting; I framed my big freshman course to combine film, radio, tv and media up to 1990 (it is, after all a history course) and there is no textbook that covers all this stuff..... I have kind of had to write it myself

5:37

Garth same for me!!!! Jack Benny radio on cassette tapes when I was 10 in 1970, and forced my little brothers to listen as well, haha its made them the upstanding citizens they are today

 

garth_johnson  5:37 PM

is the problem that the Broadway stage and LA Film people never mingled until TV took over in the 60's

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:38 PM

I think it's because the "film people" often came from vaude rather than legit.

5:39

Including Jack.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:39 PM

well I have a rather stupid PhD student trying to write a dissertation now on the ways that Broadway, Film and TV interacted 1945-1960.... there are plenty, but she will never find them hahaha. Mary Martin in Peter Pan is a good example, and Twelve Angry Men..... but as I said, she is not very capable

 

garth_johnson  5:39 PM

And that would explain why fred allen was popular -- the little show etc.

5:40

The film of 12 Angry Men - I admire Klugman in that

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:40 PM

We can find plenty of examples, its just the danger of saying "the entire industry" thought x and y (which grad students are wont to do)

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:40 PM

it should only take a limited amount of research to find those and other examples

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:40 PM

Hi, Neil!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:40 PM

Hello Neil!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:40 PM

Howdy

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:40 PM

How long had you been in here?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:40 PM

I dropped in a few minutes ago

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:41 PM

Oh Neil, you should be a graduate student, I would so welcome your willingness to do research, unlike the lazy folks I do have (hahaha)

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:41 PM

I was a graduate student in physics back in the day

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:41 PM

well, to turn to a happier topic, does anybody have happy Jack Benny thoughts on a sunday?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:42 PM

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, jingle all the way

Work all night and work all day, and never get no pa-ay!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:42 PM

I can add that publisher Ben Ohmart is desperate to get Joan Benny to approve republishing of Sunday Nights at Seven.....

5:43

Rodrigo, you seem to be channeling Rochester today!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:43 PM

I've been listening to The Gang's All Here set - several Jack Benny shows spotlighting the cast and then a run through various radio shows of the cast elsewhere or on their own shows. it's been fun so far

 

garth_johnson  5:44 PM

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:45 PM

I think that's the most common photo of Jack's cast.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:45 PM

and they all look so happy, gosh we could use more of that in these viral days

 

garth_johnson  5:45 PM

ok - not so common

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:46 PM

omg Garth where did you find that one? I have not seen it before!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:46 PM

Who's the guy behind the Roch? Larry or Philsie?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:47 PM

I love the sense of stress on Jack's face, if its like 1944-1945 when he was facing low ratings and pushback

 

garth_johnson  5:47 PM

http://booksteveslibrary.blogspot.com/ -- has a few newspaper clippings and various other related stuff

booksteveslibrary.blogspot.com

BOOKSTEVE'S LIBRARY

A LOOK AT COMICS, BOOKS, MOVIES, CARTOONS, TELEVISION SHOWS, MUSIC AND MORE POP CULTURE GOODNESS FROM MY VAST AND VIRTUAL PERSONAL LIBRARY!

5:48

Rod - with the cyrly hair ... gotta be phil

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:48 PM

and the tobacco leaf at the end is like pin the tail on the donkey, a wonderful comic

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:49 PM

this is the set http://www.radiospirits.com/detailsv2.asp?mbprodid=55276

radiospirits.com

RadioSpirits.com - Jack Benny: The Gang's All...

Old Time Radio shows from Radio Spirits that have been digitally re-mastered and are available in cassette, CD, and DVD formats. The Radio Spirits content library consists of more than 60,000 classic radio shows. This library consists of popular Old-Time Radio programs, including vintage comedy, mystery, detective, adventure and suspense programs such as The Jack Benny Show, The Shadow, Fibber McGee and Molly, Abbott & Costello and much more. Old-Time Radio ecards are available.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:49 PM

It might be Phil. Not that the others resemble the actual castmembers.

 

garth_johnson  5:50 PM

Too lazy to follow that link - here is the track list - cut - paste 2009 - Radio Spirits - 19812 - Lucky Strike Program Starring Jack Benny: The Cast Doesn't Like Their New Contracts 05-02-48, Don Won't Sign His Contract 01-23-49, Jack is Upset With the Cast 05-08-49, How Jack Met His Cast 05-28-50, My Career as a Hospital Nurse 03-09-52, Jack's Scrapbook 01-16-49, Cast Introduced 05-29-49; Halls of Ivy: The Fighting Med Student 05-24-50; The Private Life of Rochester Van Jones: Girl Friend Problems 05-12-50, The Big Date 05-13-50; The Rochester Show: Willie Johnson's Big Deal 02-18-50, Clooney Watson, Starlet 02-19-50, Cast Auditions for The Rochester Show 02-15-50; Here Comes Mr. Kitzel: Audition 12-27-50; Abbott & Costello Show: Lou's Race Horse, Peanut Butter 11-09-44; Are You a Genius?: Bugs Bunny AFRS 1940's; The Whistler: Brief Pause for Murder 09-11-49; Jeff Regan, Investigator: There's Nothing Like a Pork Chop When Supper Rolls Around 08-06-50; Are You a Genius?: Porky Pig AFRS 1940's; A Day in the Life of Dennis Day: Keeping the Radio Station on the Air 04-07-48, Neither Rain Nor Snow 01-21-48, Dennis Does a Radio Show 01-28-48; Fitch Bandwagon: Will Benny Renew Phil's Contract 03-09-47; The Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show: Hiring Santa Claus 12-19-48, New York Trip 01-29-50

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:52 PM

Hey folks, I have got to get rolling down the road, so glad to speak with you tonight!!! More great Benny things coming, I am so grateful for Laura's support and encouragement to allow me to add to Benny artifacts! More soon about the Barbara Thunnell scrapbook scans, have a good evening, Kathy

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:52 PM

Cool

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:53 PM

Thanks, Kathy.

 

garth_johnson  5:53 PM

I think I'll sign off  too  --- until newxt week

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:53 PM

Good night.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:54 PM

Good night. I'll try to drop by next week as well.  

Sunday, June 21st

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:00 PM

There'll be a brief pause for you to say "who cares?"

 

garth_johnson  5:00 PM

One way to define an ideal evening, ladies and gentlemen, is to say itís something you look forward to with eagerness and look back upon with satisfaction.

Yes, thatís one way... But an even better way is simply to say, Jell-O Again.

5:02

I don't know if anyone is going to turn up tonight ... everyone is busy reading the 1932 scripts

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:02 PM

I was reading Kathy's book.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

Hello Garth and Rodrigo! Happy June 21

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Quite an interesting read.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

rodrigo, I can send you the new scripts collection from May -Oct 1932....

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Neil is here as well.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:03 PM

hello Neil!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:03 PM

Yes, please?

5:03

Thanks, Kathy.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:04 PM

thank you, Dennis, and Rodrigo, haha

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:05 PM

Hello everyone

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:05 PM

I have two brand new kittens, who on their first day, have decided that marching across my keyboard is their favorite activity... I have lost some settings and need to figure out how to kitten proof the desk, haha

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:05 PM

I wonder if the hyperbolic "All Golden Age actors were repressed benders" thing might have played a hand on Jack and his fellow comedians becoming little known among younger generations...

5:06

It makes the criticism of Rochester look rather innocuous.

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

My cat never developed the keyboard skills --- she went for the power cord!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:07 PM

well, with my 20 year old undergrads, some of it has to do with the media programs they are regularly exposed to. My 20 year olds know The Office and Friends, and nothing else. Guess I am very glad for the 1930s-40s movie reruns on TV of my youth! But radio for my generation was something you had to especially search out (which I did with cassette tapes from dealers)

5:08

Garth, yes! on their first day, they are attacking the mouse cord. I am quickly having to devise cat-proofing. But they stare at the computer screen so I must entertain them...

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

Just don't let little paws play with the new scanner

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:09 PM

these are perilous times, it seems, for discussing the history of racial representation in old US media. Hopefully there will be new understandings of the challenges that performers of colors faced. But right now we are in the same place as 1945, when the young Black performers excoriated their elders for the compromises they made...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:09 PM

Tralfaz's post for today has a news item from Jack's 1944 Vancouver visit, just after Dennis left for the Navy.

5:10

Sometimes it feels like 1944.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

you bet with the new scanner, Garth! Now to convince Laura to let me library-lend Barbara Thunell's amazing scrapbooks : )

 

garth_johnson  5:10 PM

Rod --- sometimes I feel its 1968

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:10 PM

(Of course I know it's 2020, I'm not Jack's vault guard).

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

Hey Neil, have you been thinking about any particular Benny things lately?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:12 PM

No, I haven't. I listened to the next disc of that collection which had an episode of The Whisperer, Jack Regan, PI and Mel Blanc

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:12 PM

I just remembered the reason why I mentioned the "benders" stuff: That joke about sailors in a 1971 special.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

Publisher Ben Ohmart is gung-ho to start the next volume of the script series, yay!!!!! It will all come down to when did the stupid misses in my photo-making at the UCLA archives happen, and when will the UCLA archives ever open again? I think the pages I missed come in volumes 3 or 4,,,,, so hopefully this viral-quarantine will end

 

garth_johnson  5:14 PM

You people listening and watching all this modern Benny stuff --- I'll share the beginnings --- Research that's where the fun is!

PDF 

 

2020-06-18_-_Jack_Benny_Vaudeville_Quick_Reference_Calendar.pdf

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

I have been working on a project about newspaper radio critic John Crosby -- I should make his funny essay about "The Whistler" available to Don Yowp for a posting. Benny did a good take-off

5:15

Garth, have you seen the article I found in a Wisconsin paper about the fellow who remembers meeting Jack at a vaude performance and spending the week hanging out with him? It is so sweet in its sentimental memories

 

garth_johnson  5:16 PM

No --- sorry I've missed that clipping

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

Garth, I also mean to post to the FB site something I found in the NY Herald Tribune, a 1928 vaudeville review that mentions Al Bernivici and "Bebe Marsh" appearing with Jadk Benny. Could that be Babe? did she also do a few assists? who knows

5:17

Garth I will post it again!!!! It is very sweet (if to some conservative minds unsettling)....

 

garth_johnson  5:18 PM

It could be --- I did some searching of chroniclingamerica today for the Bernivici Brothers Vaudeville Dates but only found stuff between 1911 and 1925

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

Allow me to correct you on one thing, Kathy: It was Jimmy Wallington, not Wallingford.

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:20 PM

Jimmy also worked with Fred Allen between 1940 and 1944 (the Texaco years).

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:20 PM

here is the vaudeville note from 1928 mentioning "Bebe Marsh" working with Bernivici and Benny

PDF 

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:21 PM

Five Benny announcers in the photos!

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

thanks Kathy - -- that's something interesting to chew on

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:24 PM

apparently Jack likes all the announcers, but wanted to develop the character, and so when Don Wilson became announcer #10, Benny worked an exclusive contract (at least for his own show)

5:25

liked

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:25 PM

Apparently Geo. Hicks was the first Jack used as an actual character.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:26 PM

yes, Rodrigo you will like seeing George Hicks become the obnoxious announcer at the end of the first scripts volume

 

garth_johnson  5:26 PM

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:27 PM

great photo!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

I saw a photo of Havrilla c. 1931 with one of those boxy NBC mikes.

 

garth_johnson  5:27 PM

One of the few of Hick's I collected

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:28 PM

Alois would be the main announcer when Benny started with Chevrolet in March 1933

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:28 PM

That was Claney.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:28 PM

and yet I think George Hicks was the announcer for Information Please, which is a HUGELY favorite show of mine (maybe 1938)

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:28 PM

Who I suppose announced Jolson's "Big Six of the Air",

 

garth_johnson  5:28 PM

1935 - Alois Havrilla, Czecho-Slovakia-born announcer of the National Broadcasting Company, receives the 1935 Diction Medal for Radio of the American Academy of Arts and Letters from Dr. William Lyon Phelps

 

5:30

Jack at an old RCA 4AA Condensor Mic

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:31 PM

When did Jack first use those ribbon mikes?

5:31

The world may never know.

5:31

The RCA 44s.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:32 PM

WOW that is a wonderful photo find! Garth and all, I can't wait for us to be able to see the amazing things in Barbara Thunell's scrapbooks. She was a dedicated fan and so many of her items are things I had not seen before, Hopefully Laura will soon allow me to start scanning Barbara's wonderful volumes'

5:32

Rodrigo, is this big square thing called a ribbon mike?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

No. I was talking about the RCA44.

5:33

I think the boxy ones were condenser mics.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:33 PM

oh don't worry, I know NOTHING about mikes and so am asking as an idiot amateur

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

The BBC used the weirdest mikes in the 20s.

 

garth_johnson  5:33 PM

Goldin's logs say it was Milton Cross as the accouncer on Information Please form 1938 to 42

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:34 PM

Oh, Milton Cross, he's great too, again idiots delight on my end. But sincere love of Information Please

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:34 PM

http://journal.sciencemuseum.org.uk/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/2159/4-meat-safe-microphone.jpg&compression=90&width=558

(48 kB)

http://journal.sciencemuseum.org.uk/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/2159/4-meat-safe-microphone.jpg&compression=90&width=558

5:35

Wonder if George and Gracie used it on their 1929 radio appearance...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:35 PM

lamb chops spoken over this, that is wild, would you have to speak down into it, or was it taller than I assume

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:36 PM

It was called a "meat safe".

 

garth_johnson  5:36 PM

My favorite Mic - the RCA 44 Ribbon

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:36 PM

I also remembered that photo with Fred Allen with George and Gracie.

5:37

There were only two times in which they and Jack all shared networks.

 

garth_johnson  5:37 PM

This pic of Allen, Allen and Burns.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:37 PM

amazing photo, Garth!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:38 PM

Who's showing his back? Giy Lombardo?

5:38

Guy Lombardo

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:38 PM

very nice

 

garth_johnson  5:38 PM

Then there's a pic for Kathy's next volume Canada Dry the Columbia Years

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:38 PM

So, Garth, Laura is thinking about various ways to present things like the 1972 Friars roast, or the Thunell scrapbooks, to the fan club, I don't know the details

5:39

OMG yes what a wonderful photo!!!!!

5:39

I had been thinking of the cover photo with NBC on the mike crossed out, hahaha

 

garth_johnson  5:40 PM

And a paper clipping ...

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:41 PM

It turns out that Ben Ohmart is more generous than the University of California Press when it comes to incorporating illustrations into a publication. With UCP, I had to provide written permission from the subject of the photo AND the original photographer! That is why the only illustrations in that book are from old ads in my own paper collection, geez,,,,

 

garth_johnson  5:41 PM

There is the sketch option -- and available for purchase from one of the regular ebay stores

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:43 PM

well that image of Benny could be nicked from this Philco ad

 

5:43

which comes from a 1932 Benny portrait on the cover of Billboard.....

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:43 PM

That is cool

 

garth_johnson  5:44 PM

December 9, 1933 Billboard

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:44 PM

"This is George Olsen speaking, and I know you are thoroughly bored of Jack Denn... Ben Bern... our master of ceremonies".

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:46 PM

hahaha Rodrigo! Jack did have problems with Jack Denny and Ben Bernie

5:46

I mean about rights to a registered vaudeville name...

 

garth_johnson  5:46 PM

Are you sure it's not Goodman Ace talking?

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:46 PM

Wasn't Winchell the one who had "problems" with the "Ole Maestro"?

5:47

I know that Jack got his definitive name from him.

5:48

And that the Winchell-Bernie thing was just like Jack and Freddie.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:48 PM

Rodrigo, yes that was quite the manufacturered feud. The mid 1930s had a bunch of them, eh? its a miracle that the Benny-Allen feud worked as well as it did. I think the ultimate revenge is how in the 1940s that Benny and Allen made the feud comedy GOLD in their reminiscences of vaudeville days, long after any connection to Young and Rubicam ad agency that started it

5:49

Garth, do you know of any good overview of Goody Ace's career? I would like to learn more about him....

5:51

Looking over the condolence letters that Mary Livingstone donated to the Benny archives at U Wyoming, the letter from Goody Ace is one of the best (and he published some version of it)

 

garth_johnson  5:54 PM

Kathy I'd like one too,  but haven't found anything yet as he's a tertiary character in my research ..

5:54

Goody's newspaper work would be a starting point

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:54 PM

well, folks, it seems like everyone is dispersing for the evening. Rodrigo, you will get an email! Garth and Neil, you all are also amazing, and all of you, if you can help me encourage Laura to temporarily share scrapbooks for scanning, yay

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

yay

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:55 PM

Good night. All aboard! Away we go!

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:55 PM

Good night

 

garth_johnson  5:55 PM

Here we are again - happy as can be  ... all good friends in Jolly good Company  

Sunday, June 28th

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:00 PM

Canada Dry Made-to-Order Ginger Ale

5:01

Now available at soda fountains and drugstores as well as in bottles

 

garth_johnson  5:01 PM

Try the big economy size

 

5:02

So read any good books lately?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:02 PM

great ad!

5:03

the most amusing thing to me is that supposedly Jack became famous for saying "nickel back on the bottle" frequently, but I can't find that in the scripts! Maybe he ad-libbed (a rarity for him)

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:04 PM

There were quite a few ad-libs in the early shows, judging by the scripts.

 

garth_johnson  5:05 PM

Hey Kathy any leads on the mystery gifter?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:05 PM

Hello. Good evening

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

Welcome Neil!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:06 PM

Ladies and gentlemen....

5:06

It's Town Hall Tonight!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:06 PM

haha thanks for asking! I wonder if it might be the graduate students in my department. There was a hint in mid-May that they were giving me a going-away present, but then I never heard anything

5:06

Hello Neil, and I love Town Hall Tonight!

 

garth_johnson  5:06 PM

You are going somewhere?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:07 PM

I also hope that Baby Yoda does not grow up too quickly, They only let Baby Groot be tiny for one film

 

garth_johnson  5:08 PM

I had a mental nightmare ---- "Tiny Toons"

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:08 PM

Oh, lucky me, I just won't be graduate advisor any more, yay!!!!! I have a two-semester research leave coming up, Which means I am going away from the Dean, and the Chair and the Graduate students, but get to hang out with you all on the internets : )

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:08 PM

Yipe!

 

garth_johnson  5:09 PM

More time to research newspapermen

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:10 PM

you bet, this is a fun project. I am working with a PhD student, we are researching and then co-authoring an article on John Crosby and Jack Gould's radio journalism 1946-1952. And part of that is creating databases of everything those two wrote about during the period.

 

garth_johnson  5:10 PM

Not familiar with Gould

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:11 PM

Another project is about Francis Ford, older brother of John Ford, a silent action-film pioneer. But I won't bother the Benny website with that hahahha

5:12

Jack Gould was the critic/reporter for the New York Times. He's more of an industry insider-reporter. But the radio folks considered Gould and Crosby to be the two most important voices in this rise of radio criticism (which scared the networks, performers and ad agencies like crazy)

 

garth_johnson  5:12 PM

say the secret word and a Cunard appears

5:13

I better duck

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:13 PM

So I tried to talk to Jack Gould's son, who published a collection of Gould's early TV newspaper columns. But the son (a retired UTexas history professor) supposedly didn't much like his dad, and would not talk to me more than a few sentences. So I will try to do well by them...

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:14 PM

Do you imagine Phil leading the Kollege of Musical Knowledge?

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:14 PM

hahaha on the Groucho reference!  SO>>>>>>>> now that I have bought this scanner, I hope I can convince Laura to lend me some of Barbara Thunnell's scrapbooks. She has so many photos and things I had never seen in there, we will have a field day trying to identify the things.

5:15

I bet Phil would also spell it with a K!!!!!!  I wonder if Phil is considered a good bandleader. And what makes a good bandleader?

 

garth_johnson  5:15 PM

Rod - yup --  1944-08-09, 16 and 20 all exist -- haven't listened to them i some time

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:16 PM

He thought that a review of him with "them big words" such as "abominable", "stagnant" and "turbulent" was good.

 

garth_johnson  5:16 PM

What makes a good band leader -- one that would have us singing "Amazing Grace" right now

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:16 PM

I love it when Phil and Jack "read" their reviews

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:17 PM

That was from the "Musical Curio", er "Courier".

 

garth_johnson  5:17 PM

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:19 PM

Phil's bandmembers wouldn't play a recorder well...

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:19 PM

Nice photo

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:19 PM

that is a great photo.  HAHA my very good friend just admitted to sending me the Yodas, I had no idea it was her, hahahaha joke's on me

5:20

Has anyone ever seen "So This is Harris?" the musical film short from like 1934?  I have not

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:20 PM

I did.

 

garth_johnson  5:20 PM

Singing in the shower!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:21 PM

Phil was leading the band at the Coconut Grove, with women at his feet. The husband of one hates the voice of him...

5:21

While he makes some bootleg.

 

garth_johnson  5:21 PM

lets try this ...

Flash Video 

 

1933-08-13_-_fil_-_so_this_is_harris_-_clip_-_sing_in_the_shower.flv

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:22 PM

gracious. Supposedly when Phil started on the Jack Benny show, their voices sounded very alike. so they encouraged Phil to do the southern drawl

 

garth_johnson  5:22 PM

Drat these computers!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:22 PM

The both of them end up at the same golf course, with Jimmy Finlayson as the instructor.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:23 PM

Mark Sandrich was the director of So this is Harris, and I think that connection got him the contract at Paramount to try to make better Jack Benny movies, in 1939....

 

garth_johnson  5:23 PM

 

5:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl15TkTs3RY

YouTube | Ednay Arkspay

The Irrepressible Phil Harris 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:26 PM

Howzabout a letter-writing contest?

 

garth_johnson  5:26 PM

I'll take "A"

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:27 PM

All you have to do is express in twenty-thousand words why you like Canada Dry Made-to-Order Ginger Ale.

 

garth_johnson  5:27 PM

If we cut and pasted a few of Laura's newsletters and a couple of Benny books would we win?

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:28 PM

That was a fun video

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:28 PM

In order to enter you go to a drugstore or soda fountain and order a glass of Canada Dry in the presence of the mayor of your hometown and an actuary.

5:29

This contest will end abruptly next Sunday evening.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:29 PM

hahahaha!!!!!  Mark Sandrich's family gave his scrapbook to the Academy Award Library; there was not too much new in it, but some sweet things about shooting Man About Town. Apparently Sandrich's secretary was named Trudy, and that is now Trudy the ostrich got her name.

 

garth_johnson  5:29 PM

Here's something else to watch to kill some time

 

1929-04-20_-_fil_-_the_installment_collector.mpg

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:30 PM

I heard that about Trudy. But I forgot how Carmichael got his name.

 

garth_johnson  5:31 PM

Gas Men that service the Paramount lot  beware!

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:31 PM

now that I do not remember off the top of my head. Nice piece from Don Yowp this week with a Rochester interview that mentions Carmichael. I have been impressed that Benny fans in the 1950s remembered the bear when he had not been on the radio show since 1940.....

5:32

Carmichael may have been some of the earliest work Mel Blanc did on the show

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:33 PM

Probably the earliest known as the 1936 episode he appeared in is incomplete.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:34 PM

oh ho, if we look at which episode that was, I might have the script to it.....

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:36 PM

It apparently was from the time Jack had just established himself in the Coast, while Boasberg and Beloin were writing after Conn left.

5:37

Let's see, Mel appeared in 1936, and then occasionally between February 1939 and the fall of 1941 approx. Became a regular in the fall of '43.

 

garth_johnson  5:37 PM

I found a source of stock photographic material that I had not seen before - primarily because it is German --- Much I've seen elsewhere but a few items like the one above I hadn't seen before.  Added another 300 or so pictures to the collection.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:38 PM

ah ha, I have those, I can look and see if Mel's name is used, or if a sound effect is cued. A fellow named Pinto Colvig did the earlier Maxwell noises?

5:38

WOW Garth, great find! Send me the name of it, if you don't mind, for me looking for Ford/Cunard photos if there are any

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:39 PM

Goofy's voice also did the voice of Lenora the horse after the Mawell was turned into scrap.

 

garth_johnson  5:39 PM

1937 - Evansville Courier - Pinto Colvig, left, veteran Hollywood sound effects man, helps Jack Benny demonstrate the ancient Maxwell that Benny has been bragging about during his Sunday night broadcasts over the NBC-Red network in recent weeks.  It's Colvig who makes the realistic Maxwell sounds that have "taken-in" more than one Benny fan.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:39 PM

wow that is a great article find!!!!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:39 PM

Colvig left for Florida in early 1938.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:39 PM

That Installment Collector short was amusing

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:40 PM

And I suppose Mel began doing the Maxwell in 1947-48.

 

garth_johnson  5:40 PM

Poor Lenora

 

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:41 PM

What an expression on his face

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:43 PM

I remember that Kathy commented last week that her students were not interested in any comedy before "Friends" and that they much liked the bawdy comedies of its kind (Chuck Lorre's shows come to mind)...

5:44

But it's not that the low-key comedy Jack and his fellow humorists mastered has disappeared.

 

garth_johnson  5:44 PM

According to a gift I got this week 2/12/39 First mention of polar bear

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:44 PM

Jack thought that was a birthday gift from Allen.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:48 PM

poor horse indeed!  Well, my undergrads AND grad students have very little patience for history; little understanding or willingness to think about contexts of the past. I hope that this starts changing SOON. Until then, we can keep digging up history for our own pleasure and edification. But it does make the prospect of teaching history a little dreary. Please see my delight, above, at having the next two semesters OFF, yay!!!!!

 

Rodrigo Araya  5:48 PM

Well, the thing is that many people see classic humor as either too bland, cerebral or surrealistic to be enjoyable.

5:49

And Jack's show could fit all three descriptors.

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:49 PM

Talking about surrealistic humor, I've been watching the  Do Not Adjust Your Set DVD set.  Quite fun.

 

garth_johnson  5:50 PM

Kathy - follow the link --- but I'll let you filter out The Other Francis Ford 

Rodrigo Araya  5:51 PM

He never did the kind of jokes Cantor did (save for the Vanities), there were some history-related jokes, and the later radio seasons were quite cartoony.

5:53

And some TV episodes were quite surrealistic too--like the one with Jack golfing.

5:53

Two words: talking squirrel.

5:53

Are you still conscious? Hmmm...?

 

garth_johnson  5:55 PM

Best golf parody I've watched  - "City Golf" by Wayne and Shuster --- Take downtown Toronto Ontario and turn it into a golf course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK02be8w8yA

YouTube | retronewfoundland

Wayne and Shuster September 19, 1971: City Golf 

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:55 PM

Garth, have I mentioned that there is a Canadian grad student who wants to do archival work in the Wayne and Shuster collection, and is looking for advice. Cool!

5:56

Thank you for the Francis Ford links to the German archives! There is a surprising amount of his stuff in Europe (I am talking the 1910-1922 work), such as at the EYE Museum in Amsterdam and the french film archives, hooray!

 

garth_johnson  5:56 PM

Kathy - David Lennick is the one to ask -- His Mother and Father both worked with W&S

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  5:57 PM

cool!

 

garth_johnson  5:57 PM

Sylvia was the original Calperina in "Rinse the Blood Off My Toga"

 

Neil Ottenstein  5:57 PM

I've never seen any Wayne and Shuster before.  This golf broadcast is great

 

garth_johnson  5:58 PM

Oh no - I've created a monster

5:59

Jack and Ed Sullivan were fond of the boys too.

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:00 PM

I had thought the "Are you lis'nin'"? Hmmm?" was by Eddie Cantor. Only recently I found out that line was by Tony Wons.

 

garth_johnson  6:01 PM

I don't think this picture would go over well in today's "P.C." envirnment

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:02 PM

yikes, maybe not.

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:02 PM

The sole presence of Bob Hope might upset some unfortunately.

6:03

Like Milton Berle, his later  "horndog" routine hasn't aged well.

6:03

But otherwise, they would have fallen from relevance after the 70s demanded more "macho" men.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:04 PM

oh gosh there are some great Francis Ford photos in the german archive, including this later one from his best character role part in 1935's Steamboat Round the Bend

 

 

garth_johnson  6:05 PM

I'm glad you found a "Coppola" of tidbits there.

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:05 PM

hahaha! Benny fan club member Ben Schwartz is slowly writing a book, that is 1/3 about Bob Hope and 1/4 about Benny in vaudeville and other things. I keep sending Ben articles from radio critic John Crosby, who DESPISED Bob Hope, hahahahaha

6:06

I have also learned many ways to MIS-spell Coppola from ebay sellers, yikes

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:06 PM

What NY radio critic did NOT hate Coast comedians?

 

garth_johnson  6:06 PM

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:07 PM

omg that they insisted on having Kermit the Frog say nice things about Hope in the American Masters episode haha

Neil Ottenstein  6:08 PM

What a look there

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:08 PM

Actually, John Crosby loved Fred Allen, Edgar Bergen, Jimmy Durante, Fibber and Molly, most of Burns and Allen, Benny actually (altho used him as whipping boy). Crosby just could not stand Hope or Skelton hahaha

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:08 PM

But NY critics loved Allen and Morgan. And so did "Esquire".

 

garth_johnson  6:08 PM

I better lay off the Ballentine's  or I'll need to watch come "Matt Helm"  movies

6:09

(some) movies --- already too drunk to type right

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:09 PM

Hangin' around with Remley again?

6:10

I thought he was still in prison for stealing a cow.

 

garth_johnson  6:10 PM

 

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:14 PM

Are you sleeping? Hmmmm...?

 

garth_johnson  6:14 PM

Now Remley  could probably teach me guitar --- the idiot I had when I was a teen couldn't and me being left handed I could have gotten farther than a couple months study

 

Neil Ottenstein  6:15 PM

I need to move on. Thanks for the chat and pictures and videos

 

garth_johnson  6:15 PM

yup time to tie a ribbon around the old oak tree

 

Rodrigo Araya  6:16 PM

Good night then.

6:16

Thanks for the book, Kathy.

 

garth_johnson  6:16 PM

Kathy don't spend all night looking at old pictures

 

kathy_fuller_seeley  6:17 PM

OK, only a little bit. I STILL have 500 John Crosby articles to tag, ugh! goodnight all, from Rexall