IJBFC Chat - November 17, 2019
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Tom
V. 4:20 PM
Well.......Facebook
Jack Benny Sunday Chat is 5PM, Pacific time on November 17. Maybe I'm
in the wrong time zone?
garth_johnson 4:33
PM
It
is 4:30 and time to warm up the old Philco and get the popcorn ready...
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:34
PM
howdy
Garth, I hope that your November has been going well?
garth_johnson 4:42
PM
No
snow yet --- so I won't complain. Historicly the first snowfall on
the wet coast is this week, plus/minus 5 days. It was always a nice
birthday gift, but with "global warming" not for the past few years,
its later into December. Anyway I prefer the rain ... it is much easier to deal
with.
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:45
PM
well,
I hope the snow is delayed as late as possible! That arctic blast of last week
brought severe frost to Austin Texas at a shockingly early date, but today it
was 70.....
Rodrigo
Araya 4:46 PM
HOW
FRED ALLEN WOULD HAVE RECAPPED OUR PREVIOUS CHAT:
(F:Fred;
P: Portland; J: Jimmy Wallington)
F:
Thank you, and good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Say, Jimmy. Did you see the
chat on the Benny fan club?
J:
No, Fred. Why?
F:
Well, they introduced a bird from a country they call "Chili con
Carne"... without the carne.
Luckily,
he also listens to us, but six months late. And everybody thought that either
you, Mr. Goodman or Stuart Canin were the star.
This
feller also showed them an ad for a Benny movie. he could as well have shown a
blank sheet of paper!
They
then began discussing Thanksgiving a month early, and who could blame 'em.
They're fans of the biggest turkey ever.
P:
Mister Ah-llen! Oh, Mister Ah-llen!
F:
What is it, Portland?
P:
Did you look the end of the meeting?
F:
Of course I did. After they decided to skip that silly song Benny wrote years
ago, they showed a photo of me and two pumpkins.
The
new guy then compared me to both Frankenstein and Ed Kudlick of the Dustin
funnies.
J:
Well, Fred. You've gotta admit you're no Adonis.
F:
I can understand the resemblance with Frankie Steinatra, but that Kudlick guy
makes Phil Harris look like Clark Gable!
And
then he chides his son for being a slacker--the idea!
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:47
PM
haha!
garth_johnson 4:49
PM
And
now a word from our sponsor ...
Hi
folks!
garth_johnson 4:57
PM
Hi-ya
Laura!
Rodrigo
Araya 4:57 PM
Hiya,
Buck!
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:57
PM
hello
Laura! You have been busy refinishing furniture
Laura
Leibowitz 4:58 PM
Yes,
and I just realized that my mass mailing tool seems to have disappeared from the JB.org admin
console...
Tom
V. 4:58 PM
Good
evening everybody!
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:59
PM
I
hate it when that happens
Laura
Leibowitz 4:59 PM
Kathy
- You saw I've accumulated too much furniture in my garage, so I'm trying to get
it done to make room for the Maxwell!
Rodrigo
Araya 4:59 PM
And
howzabout a parrot?
kathy_fuller_seeley 4:59
PM
yes!
that Maxwell for sale could be a great conversation piece
Laura
Leibowitz 4:59 PM
Hi
Rodrigo - Love your script above!
4:59
PM
Rodrigo
- I was hoping for Mr. Ramshaw
Rodrigo
Araya 5:00 PM
Ramshaw?
Wasn't that Openshaw?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:00 PM
Kathy
- If I only had $27.5K burning a hole in my pocket. That car is way,
way worth it...saying that from having seen it firsthand
5:00
PM
Well,
when Openshaw quoted poetry, Ramshaw reviewed it...
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:00
PM
wow,
and fits so conveniently in the dining room
Laura
Leibowitz 5:01 PM
Yes,
I should leave the table in the garage and put the Maxwell in my dining room.
Rodrigo
Araya 5:01 PM
Oh,
but I haven't heard him as of yet. I'm on the 42-43 season.
Laura
Leibowitz 5:01 PM
When
was Mr. Ramshaw the Eagle on Fred's show, folks?
R.
Hookie 5:01 PM
Hi
folks!
Laura
Leibowitz 5:01 PM
Hi
Hookie!
R.
Hookie 5:02 PM
So,
what did I miss?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:02 PM
Plenty,
but you can catch up in the transcript. I'll try to be more timely
with it.
5:03
PM
Rodrigo
- I envy you getting to hear the appearance of the eagle for the first time.
Rodrigo
Araya 5:03 PM
And
now, for the biggest turkey ever... JACK BENNY!
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:03
PM
Favorite
Thanksgiving themed show, folks? Mine is Jack being tried for murder by turkeys
Rodrigo
Araya 5:03 PM
Wasn't
zat the show the writers hated?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:04 PM
Or
the episode seemingly written by Salvador Dali...Jack dreams he is a turkey
garth_johnson 5:04
PM
From
Love Thy Neighbor
Laura
Leibowitz 5:04 PM
I've
not seen that one before!
5:04
PM
Does
that infer that Mr. Ramshaw had appeared by 1940, since that was when LTN was
done?
garth_johnson 5:05
PM
1940
- Paramount - Love Thy Neighbor - 1277-2-42 - Jack, Fred and Eagle
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:05
PM
Garth,
where's that photo of Rochester dressed up in colonial garb with a turkey
hatchet...
Rodrigo
Araya 5:05 PM
Weren't
the Allen's Alley characters introduced with the alley in Dec. 42?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:05 PM
Rodrigo
- The eagle was a one-shot appearance.
5:05
PM
He
wasn't an Allen's Alley character
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:05
PM
one-shot,
hahahaha
Laura
Leibowitz 5:06 PM
Ah,
didn't even realize that pun
Rodrigo
Araya 5:06 PM
Oh,
when did he appear? I suppose that in 1946...
Laura
Leibowitz 5:06 PM
Let's
see if I can find it for Watch2Gether...brb
garth_johnson 5:07
PM
Can't
seem to find that one Kathy
Rodrigo
Araya 5:08 PM
Speaking
of the Rochmeister in movies... I heard him sing "Taking a Chance on
Love" earlier this evening.
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:08
PM
it
may take me until Monday to find it, will post it to facebook : )
Laura
Leibowitz 5:09 PM
Got
it!
garth_johnson 5:10
PM
1940-03-20
is the first appearance and 1940-11-20 is the SECOND appearance of the
eagle
Laura
Leibowitz 5:10 PM
Aha! The
first one was so memorable, that I forgot about the second one.
Rodrigo
Araya 5:11 PM
I
started listening to OTR regularly last year with Benny. I didn't begin
listening to Allen till this year.
Laura
Leibowitz 5:11 PM
Well,
we can all enjoy it together then.
Rodrigo
Araya 5:11 PM
As
well as Burns and Allen, Fibber and Molly, Bob Hope, Red Skelton, and Charlie
McCarthy.
Laura
Leibowitz 5:12 PM
I
haven't heard it in a long time.
5:12
PM
Hey,
BTW, with all the news on the stuff going on in Santiago, you OK? Glad
that you're here.
5:13
PM
Was
meaning to E-mail you, but I'm often not even turning on my personal computer
until the weekend because I'm too tired or too busy during the week
Rodrigo
Araya 5:13 PM
I'm
alright. Thank ya. but let's speak about Benny.
P.S.:
I think I need a Maxwell. They burned the subway station near me.
Laura
Leibowitz 5:13 PM
Or
both
5:13
PM
Holy
toledo!
5:13
PM
OK,
on that note, let's go meet Mr. Ramshaw!
Rodrigo
Araya 5:14 PM
You
know things are bad when even a Maxwell may be useful.
Laura
Leibowitz 5:14 PM
https://w2g.tv/mbrm7osc3l5p85x3t9
watch2gether.com
Let's
meet on Watch2Gether
Watch2Gether
lets you watch videos with your friends, synchronized at the same time.(5 kB)
https://www.watch2gether.com/static/watch2gether-share.jpg
5:14
PM
If
you join the chat while the show is in progress, please join us at the above
link!
garth_johnson 5:28
PM
SAY
HELLO TO ... Wynn Murray -- Whose singing on Fred Allen's program at 9:00
tonight on NBC-Red
michael_amowitz 5:41
PM
I
am here, yay!
garth_johnson 5:41
PM
And
we are over there .... -> -> ->
Laura
Leibowitz 5:56 PM
Thanks
Garth!
R.
Hookie 5:57 PM
Well,
we're back...
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:57
PM
thanks
for showing us that episode AND teh Fred Allen clip, Laura!
Laura
Leibowitz 5:57 PM
Thoughts
on either show?
R.
Hookie 5:57 PM
Waukegan,
Waukegan....
Laura
Leibowitz 5:57 PM
My
pleasure! Glad I was able to get the Fred Allen so quickly.
michael_amowitz 5:57
PM
Jello
folks
kathy_fuller_seeley 5:57
PM
wish
we could get the laugh track back out of the Benny episode, would spiffy it up
Rodrigo
Araya 5:58 PM
I
didn't expect that von Zell would forget about Sal Hepatica for once!
Laura
Leibowitz 5:58 PM
And
those closing credits are edited. the original had that song again
under them.
Tom
V. 5:58 PM
Wonder
if Peter, Paul Mary ever got any requests to do Jack's song?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:58 PM
I
remember watching the original at UCLA. I'm sure that if anyone had
been able to get a photo of my face when it came on with "Waukegan
Waukegan" under the closing credits, it would have been beyond comical.
garth_johnson 5:58
PM
Von
Zell was too occupied thinking of Colgate, using it each morning and using it at
night ...
R.
Hookie 5:59 PM
Which
song? Waukegan of Beg Your Pardon?
Laura
Leibowitz 5:59 PM
I
thought there was more with the eagle, since he sprayed the audience at some
point
garth_johnson 5:59
PM
LL
I think it was in the second show that he did the tour of the audience
Tom
V. 5:59 PM
Hookie
- either one! Ha!
R.
Hookie 5:59 PM
I'm
late in responding
Laura
Leibowitz 5:59 PM
Kathy
- You mean take the laugh track down a notch or two?
Rodrigo
Araya 5:59 PM
Wonder
if the suits at NBC summoned Fred for the eagle incident.
Laura
Leibowitz 6:00 PM
Garth
- Aha! OK, I may have heard a compedium at some point.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:00
PM
Laura,
that eagle malfesence (sp) may have come out in the newspaper reviews and trade
press!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:00 PM
Rodrigo
- I remember there was some classic letter about it in "Fred Allen's
Letters"
6:00
PM
He
referred to it as "L'Affaire Eagale"
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:00
PM
Oh
I am a laugh track enemy, I would mute it at all costs. Although tuesday in
class I will tell about the Laugh Track machine
Laura
Leibowitz 6:01 PM
Kathy
- I'm pretty sure it did!
6:01
PM
Kathy
- I can't remember if any of the eps that have that horrid recording afterwards
of "This program has had audience reactions enhanced" are in
circulation
R.
Hookie 6:01 PM
Do
you feel the same about live audiences?
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:02
PM
on
tuesday my class topic is history of sitcoms, and I claim that Jack Benny made
important innovations on radio, but that Lucille Ball had a larger impact on
early TV versions'
Laura
Leibowitz 6:02 PM
Yeah,
the laugh track drives me a bit nuts too. It's like being
mechanically jabbed in the ribs.
6:02
PM
I'd
agree with that
6:03
PM
But
as far as television comedy overall, I have to give the influential award to
Ernie Kovacs
6:03
PM
Obviously
Kovacs wasn't a sitcom
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:03
PM
Hookie,
I LOVE live audiences! But its a practical matter, if you are filming or taping
and need to do multiple takes, the audience response will always falter, and
maybe you need to sweeten it up. I just object to input of audience laughter
when there was NOBODY present. like in MASH!!!
R.
Hookie 6:04 PM
I
agree
Laura
Leibowitz 6:04 PM
Yes. There
were likely some folks in the audience for this one, but unlikely a full
audience.
6:04
PM
But
then again, I remember having someone tell me they got tickets to the taping of
the Clint Walker episode, and that's super heavy on the laugh track.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:05
PM
and
that is OK to me, if there were any live people at a taping. Its just the
no-audience-and way-over -the -top laughter adding that grates like nails on a
chalkboard. To me hahaha
R.
Hookie 6:05 PM
I
can notice in Jack's monologues if he has an audience or not... the camera is
closer, he's not shouting, ...
Laura
Leibowitz 6:06 PM
The
camera placement also has some to do with the style of the director. I
think he started shouting more later in the series (like 1963+)
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:07
PM
In
1932, Jack was among those wishing that there WEREN"T studio audiences, but
he soon learned to milk them for radio. Fred Allen always seemed to hate radio
live audiences, he turned his back to them while broadcasting
Laura
Leibowitz 6:07 PM
Kathy
- So how would you gauge this? Audience or no audience?
Rodrigo
Araya 6:07 PM
I
remember that Allen regarded studio audiences as "cackling geese".
Laura
Leibowitz 6:07 PM
Early
on, they told radio audiences to be quiet. I think it was Eddie
Cantor that broke that taboo
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:08
PM
well,
the audience laughter works better (IMHO) when they are on the little stage. If
it were me as producer, I would eliminate it in the sketch portions. But then in
1964 the sponsor would hate me and fire me, hahaha!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:08 PM
It
was either Cantor or Ed Wynn depending on the version.
Laura
Leibowitz 6:08 PM
Rodrigo
- Yes! I think I've heard that story about Wynn as well.
R.
Hookie 6:08 PM
I
could see Wynn on that
Laura
Leibowitz 6:08 PM
I
had forgotten that
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:08
PM
I
have heard it was Wynn, yes
Laura
Leibowitz 6:08 PM
They
just felt very strange playing to a mute audience
Rodrigo
Araya 6:09 PM
The
important thing is that by 1932-33, you could hear studio audiences on radio.
Laura
Leibowitz 6:09 PM
With
all the experience in vaudeville
6:09
PM
Right. I'm
trying to remember if they shushed them early on because the broadcast quality
wasn't that great
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:09
PM
what
Jack or others could not control was sponsor demands. And I must remember that
the radio imperative of as many laughs as possible probably came over to TV....
so sponsors wanted to hear laughs as a way to gauge the success of a show
Laura
Leibowitz 6:09 PM
Kind
of like the really slow J.....E....L...L.........O!
6:10
PM
Canada
Dry didn't like laughter, so they switched to organ music.
Rodrigo
Araya 6:10 PM
Actually,
by the fall of 1932, NBC was introducing ribbon mics that would replace the
older ones.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:10
PM
Rodrigo
yes!!! American shows on NBC and CBS started moving from closed sets
to audiences in late 1932
Laura
Leibowitz 6:11 PM
I
think the old box mikes and 8-ball mikes didn't have a lot of pickup.
6:11
PM
But
then you could suspend mikes over the audience
Rodrigo
Araya 6:11 PM
Speaking
of organ music, Fred Allen's first show had organ intervals by CBS house
organist Ann Leaf.
garth_johnson 6:11
PM
I
Love the RCA 44 series
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:11
PM
and
Laura, that is such an imporant point that in radio, broadcast quality was such
a problem! In the 1960s quality started improving
Laura
Leibowitz 6:11 PM
Oh
yeah, how can you not love that?!?!
6:12
PM
Audience
reaction in 1930 might sound like just more static with primitive mikes and
broadcast interference
Rodrigo
Araya 6:13 PM
Say,
where were the NBC studios in 1932, before 30 Rock opened?
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:13
PM
its
so interesting to think of the many factors like technology or sponsor or
network demands that shaped what Jack Benny could or could not do. I so wish we
had more of his own notes on his production process. glad we have what we have
Laura
Leibowitz 6:13 PM
Wow,
good question.
R.
Hookie 6:13 PM
Radio
City?
Laura
Leibowitz 6:13 PM
Kathy
- Amen
6:14
PM
It
was on the roof of the Westinghouse building. (Just kidding.)
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:14
PM
Rodrigo,
Benny's first shows were done on the roof garden of the New Amsterdam Theatre (I
think) where the Zeigfeld Follies had been
Laura
Leibowitz 6:14 PM
Indeed! I
did not know that.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:14
PM
only
after RAdio City was built did NBC get production studios inside 30 Rock
Rodrigo
Araya 6:15 PM
Does
that mean NBC/WEAF didn't have proper studios until 1933?
Laura
Leibowitz 6:15 PM
Kathy
- Jog my memory. Why did they go to New Orleans for a time during the
Canada Dry run?
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:15
PM
but
then Benny threw a monkey wrench by going out to California as often as possible
Laura
Leibowitz 6:15 PM
Well,
ya gotta make movies.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:16
PM
Laura,
it was because orch leader Ted Weems had a long engagement there that he could
not break!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:16 PM
According
to Variety, CBS didn't even cover the Big Easy at the time!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:16 PM
Aha! I'm
not sure I knew that either! This is great!
garth_johnson 6:16
PM
October
1927, WJZ moved into NBC studios still under construction at 711 Fifth Avenue
until 30 Rock was built
Rodrigo
Araya 6:16 PM
Thanks!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:17 PM
I
wonder what's there now
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:17
PM
Harry
Conn wrote a wicked parody of Uncle Toms Cabin for one of their New Orleans
performances that probably helped them get a rail ride out of town back to New
York, haha
Laura
Leibowitz 6:17 PM
Or
if it's even the same building
garth_johnson 6:17
PM
Ted
Weems had a engagement at a hotel he couldn't get out of so for the first shows
they did the broadcast from New Orleans and commuted back to New York
Laura
Leibowitz 6:17 PM
Right...I
remember the bizarre scripts of Jack starting his own production company
6:17
PM
Speaking
of which, when's the book out?
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:18
PM
The
roof Garden of the New Amsterdam theater is now like Disney audiences and you
can tour the Zeigfeld part of the glass-bottomed walkway (chorus girls would
walk it and rich old geezers would look up their skirts, ahem this was 1920s)
michael_amowitz 6:18
PM
i
have finally caught up on the last transcript and this one. I was to blame for
suggesting Peter, Paul, and Mary. I'm kind of at three things at the same time.
Got home from seeing Hermans Hermits and was 15 minutes late
Rodrigo
Araya 6:18 PM
The
"Uncle Conn's Cabin" sketch was done for a certain car company in 33.
michael_amowitz 6:18
PM
Nice
to meet you, Rodrigo
R.
Hookie 6:18 PM
According
to Google, 711 Fifth Avenue is a restaurant complex
Rodrigo
Araya 6:18 PM
Gee!
michael_amowitz 6:19
PM
Thanks,
Kathy, wondered where NBC was too
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:19
PM
Laura,
I hope it is soon!!!! We are in production and I am waiting on final proofs, yay!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:19 PM
Yay! That's
an exciting time.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:19
PM
And
of course I get to ask if you have heard anything from Joan about reprinting a
certain book
Laura
Leibowitz 6:20 PM
Yes, boy,
is my face red
6:20
PM
I
have not heard from her.
R.
Hookie 6:20 PM
Sundays
at Seven???
Laura
Leibowitz 6:20 PM
But
I'm hoping that I'll get to clear more of my E-mail backlog over Thanksgiving.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:20
PM
Wow
Michael M I hope that Peter and the Hermits were great!!!
6:20
PM
I
completely understand, Laura! Everything happens in good time : )
michael_amowitz 6:21
PM
As
always, yes; I posted some video clips to my page if we're friends on FB
Laura
Leibowitz 6:21 PM
Thanks
so much for your patience, Kathy. I'm going in so many different
directions, and E-mail and the club have clearly taken a back seat.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:21
PM
Hookie,
yes, we are trying to reprint Sundays, hope it works yay!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:21 PM
Hard
when you get about 500 E-mails a day.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:21
PM
sure!!!!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:22 PM
Speaking
of 60s artists, I didn't know Lou Rawls started back then (he appeared on a
Benny special).
michael_amowitz 6:22
PM
I
can never get here ... lol, I get about 150 emails a day
Laura
Leibowitz 6:22 PM
I
got rather spoiled when I was off work for some time in 2018. It was
nice to have time to do so much that really is dear to my heart
6:23
PM
But
I just signed an employment offer from my consulting company, so hopefully I
won't be seeing a dry patch like that again for a while.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:23
PM
Wasn't
that Lou Rawls singing Simon and Garfunkel in the Graduate sketch???
Laura
Leibowitz 6:23 PM
Yepper!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:23 PM
Oh,
gosh!
michael_amowitz 6:23
PM
I
have 3 days of email to see, but same trouble keeping up for the past month.
6:23
PM
Kathy,
is your book out? I am losing track of everything.
Laura
Leibowitz 6:24 PM
chuckling
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:24
PM
My
fellow film historians (all white guys in their 70s) adore The Graduate and show
it in class as often as possible, I am on a mission to introduce them to the
Benny version ! (or may I say subversion)
Laura
Leibowitz 6:24 PM
Ha!
R.
Hookie 6:24 PM
I
like the Benny version... with Diller
Laura
Leibowitz 6:24 PM
They
just want to see Anne Bancroft in the all-in
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:25
PM
Michael,
thanks for asking! The first volume of Jack Benny scripts 1932 should be out in
a couple of months, the work is all done and we are up to typesetting yay
Rodrigo
Araya 6:25 PM
Diller?
Great Scott!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:25 PM
No,
Phyllis!
michael_amowitz 6:25
PM
Yay!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:26 PM
Before
the special, the one time I saw her was in a Simpsons parody of a Bob Hope
special.
R.
Hookie 6:26 PM
Is
there another Diller?
Laura
Leibowitz 6:26 PM
Oh
funny
6:26
PM
Killer
Diller
Rodrigo
Araya 6:26 PM
Bob
was a hippie and Phyllis was a "flower child".
Laura
Leibowitz 6:26 PM
I
interviewed her briefly, but she didn't remember much.
Rodrigo
Araya 6:27 PM
I
don't know if they did something like that in an actual show,
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:27
PM
Diller
is emerging among TV comedy historians as the greatest female comic of the 1960s
and 1970s, next to Joan Rivers. Its great to see her get her due from young
scholars hardly born before she passed away. Moms Mably is also getting notice
1
Laura
Leibowitz 6:27 PM
Rodrigo
- I could easily see that happening
6:27
PM
Kathy
- I wish Elaine May would get more credit
garth_johnson 6:28
PM
Tell
us about white guy's in their 70's (Johnny was 65 here)
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:28
PM
yes!
I will post a couple new articles and link to them in a FB post in our group
Laura
Leibowitz 6:28 PM
Cool,
thank you!
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:28
PM
great
photo, Garth!
R.
Hookie 6:29 PM
I
agree
Laura
Leibowitz 6:29 PM
Let's
hear it for Rusty Warren!
6:29
PM
I
interviewed her as well...Jack saw her in Vegas and gave her some guidance.
michael_amowitz 6:30
PM
Kathy,
just sent you a friend request. Saw Barbara Rew and her husband Mark on the way
home from the show. And regularly keep up with Martin Grams.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:30
PM
awesome,
Michael, I look forward to having you among my fb friends!
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Laura
Leibowitz 6:31 PM
Anything
else on the shows for this evening?
6:31
PM
Just
wanted to ensure that we finished that portion of the conversation.
R.
Hookie 6:31 PM
Michael,
I'm on Facebook, too.... just saying...
1
Laura
Leibowitz 6:31 PM
And
any requests for next month?
michael_amowitz 6:31
PM
Thanks
for running it, LL!
garth_johnson 6:32
PM
Wallet
or Shoe laces
michael_amowitz 6:32
PM
Hookie,
I'm checking, I'm checking!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:32 PM
Sure...hopefully
you got to see most of it!
R.
Hookie 6:32 PM
OK
Laura
Leibowitz 6:32 PM
Or
dates or gopher trap
R.
Hookie 6:32 PM
Fun
time tonight!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:32 PM
TV
or radio
6:32
PM
Or
both
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:32
PM
I
have a 27-year old grad student who is fascinated with what she sees is the
"Old Men" comics on 1960s and 1970s TV, she is trying to understand
the place of the old comics in young people's culture, its fun to try to see
things from her point of view
Rodrigo
Araya 6:32 PM
Speaking
of Facebook... turns out that my comment about Allen's resemblance to
Frankenstein was posted in a post made by Don M. Yowp on the IJBFC page.
michael_amowitz 6:33
PM
I
now have the link from You Tube ... I guess it's been several years, I'd
forgotten the end but I should have seen When I beg your pardon coming
Laura
Leibowitz 6:33 PM
What
qualifies as "old men" comics? Gasolinie Alley?
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Rodrigo
Araya 6:33 PM
Ha!
Good one!
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:33
PM
and
thanks, everyone! Laura, I know you and I will catch up on publishing projects
very soon
michael_amowitz 6:33
PM
Hookie,
find me on FB
Laura
Leibowitz 6:33 PM
Kathy
- Yes, I'm looking forward to getting everything straightened out and quieter in
my life!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:33 PM
How
old is Walt Wallet?
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:34
PM
as
far as my student goes, anyone 60 or older by 1965, so the Bennys, Hopes, Berles,
Youngmans,,,,,
Laura
Leibowitz 6:34 PM
Oh! I
thought you meant like the Sunday Funnies
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:34
PM
Ooops
no, I meant why the heck is Henny Youngman showing up on Laugh In kinds of
things...
Laura
Leibowitz 6:35 PM
Well,
we're back to Ernie Kovacs again!
6:35
PM
Honey,
this is called a BLACKOUT.
R.
Hookie 6:35 PM
Youngman
on Laugh-In...
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:35
PM
I
think Jack Benny managed the transition to old guy better than many, esp versus
Bob Hope
michael_amowitz 6:35
PM
I
was around for Ernie's show... it was great!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:35 PM
So
mind if I say something sacreligious?
6:36
PM
Jack
always plays Jack.
R.
Hookie 6:36 PM
Hmmm.....
Laura
Leibowitz 6:36 PM
And
Bob Hope always plays Bob Hope.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:36
PM
that
younger audiences in the 1960s and 1970s could relate to Jack more than some of
the others
garth_johnson 6:36
PM
Kathy
have your student watch the PBS American Master's "Vaudeville" form
1997 - its on youtube, it is a great starting point in understanding the old
guys popular from the 30's to the 70's
Laura
Leibowitz 6:36 PM
And
Milton Berle always plays Milton Berle.
michael_amowitz 6:36
PM
Henny
Youngman and even Nixon would turn up on blackouts on Laugh In. They loved to
mix everything up
Laura
Leibowitz 6:36 PM
But
Milton Berle and Bob Hope's very one-note delivery gets tiresome very quickly.
6:37
PM
Garth
- Oh my, that's a wonderful show
6:37
PM
Pioneers
of Television as well
R.
Hookie 6:37 PM
I
remember Nixon on Laugh-In... "Sock it to ME?"
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kathy_fuller_seeley 6:37
PM
great
idea. Garth! More of my students are interested in vaudeville than ever before.
Oh Laura yes you have the secret to why Youngman and Hope wear on me
Rodrigo
Araya 6:37 PM
The
problem at least with Bob is that most of his material was too topic.
Laura
Leibowitz 6:37 PM
Keep
it moving, Mr. Benny! Keep it moving!
6:37
PM
Rodrigo
- Absolutely. It doesn't age well.
6:38
PM
Sadly,
Fred Allen suffers from the same malady
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:38
PM
Same
grad student wants to write a research paper comparing Laugh In to
Hee Haw, so she will keep me hopping'
garth_johnson 6:38
PM
Laura
Leibowitz 6:38 PM
Hike!
michael_amowitz 6:38
PM
George
Burns carried into 100 very well!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:38 PM
Kathy
- That actually makes a great deal of sense
Rodrigo
Araya 6:38 PM
Just
a few years before the NBA became mainstream.
R.
Hookie 6:38 PM
Hope
she don't say nothing bad about Hee Haw!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:39 PM
They're
the same show, just that Hee Haw follows in the footsteps of Petticoat Junction,
Gomer Pyle, etc.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:39
PM
no,
she is quite admiring of their camerawork
michael_amowitz 6:39
PM
Hee
Haw threw out corn rapid fire
Rodrigo
Araya 6:39 PM
That
comedy tastes changed so radically through the 1990s was a thing not even Jack
could have weathered well.
R.
Hookie 6:39 PM
Now
I have to dig out my Hee Haw DVDs.....
Laura
Leibowitz 6:39 PM
Now
I've got the "It's a Mod, Mod World" music in my head
garth_johnson 6:40
PM
There
is a Hee Haw special on youtube that actually can trace their beginnings to the
Smothers's Brothers loosing their time and the quick cuts of Laugh-In
michael_amowitz 6:40
PM
Something
fails, the next one will get them
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:40
PM
she
and I are also digging into the earliest years of Ed Sullivan's TV show
1948-1952 when CBS programmed it to fall AFTER Benny's radio show
Laura
Leibowitz 6:40 PM
Garth
- I'll be darned! I wasn't sure which came first.
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:40
PM
Garth
and Hookie, we've got a research project brewing haha!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:40 PM
Ed
Sullivan gives Jack his start, Jack gives Ed Sullivan his start.
6:41
PM
OK,
fabulous conversation tonight! Anything else, or should we call it
good?
R.
Hookie 6:42 PM
It's
been fun!
garth_johnson 6:42
PM
And
tonight at the Hollywood Palace ...
kathy_fuller_seeley 6:42
PM
THANK
YOU, folks! You give me such energy to channel to my grad student researchers!
good
night and good health to all....
Laura
Leibowitz 6:42 PM
Jack
Benny! Pass it on!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:42 PM
Be
happy, buy Ecko! Be happy, buy Ecko Strike!
R.
Hookie 6:42 PM
Hollywood
Palace?
Laura
Leibowitz 6:42 PM
Have
a great holiday and we'll see you next month!
6:43
PM
Stay
safe, Rodrigo.
R.
Hookie 6:43 PM
Good
night, folks!
Rodrigo
Araya 6:43 PM
Thanks!
Tom
V. 6:43 PM
Goodnight,
Benny folks!
Laura
Leibowitz 6:43 PM
Sal
Hepatica!
garth_johnson 6:45
PM
PBS American Masters 1997 - Vaudeville - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTbJi8rc1Q
YouTube | Gregory
Golda
VAUDEVILLE
michael_amowitz 6:46
PM
Good
night y'all! Garth, I'll try to look at that between now and next time.