IJBFC Chat - May 20, 2018

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Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 4:42 PM
well, it occurred to me to start clicking around the “hipchat” log in and I finally got to Atlassian and Stride, so do I win a participation trophy, haha

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:50 PM
My third try with Stride, and I think it worked.
Hi, Kathy!
Last couple of times were awfully frustrating. Just could not get Stride to work, then couldn’t get an invitation to the chat. Not a bad title: “Invitaiton to the Chat.”
Just fooling around with emojis. We need a Jack Benny emoji, hand to cheek.
Or this one.

Tom Vorce May 20, 4:55 PM
Hi Kathy! Hi Brad! 

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:55 PM
Jell-O again, Tom.

Theodore Michael Konek May 20, 4:55 PM
Hello Folks!

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:55 PM
Maybe this could be a Benny Emoji?
Hello, Theodore!

Tom Vorce May 20, 4:56 PM
Hi! Hey, that violin isn’t toobad.

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:56 PM
It reminds me of the one the grasshopper played in the Disney cartoon “The Grasshopper and the Ant.” Same size, anyway.

Tom Vorce May 20, 4:56 PM
Hi Theodore!

Roger May 20, 4:56 PM
Hello!

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:57 PM
Roger that, Roger.
Now if Victor can give us a vector….
I’m mildly excited. This is the very first time I’ve been able to sign on to the chat since we started using Stride. For me, Stride was several steps backward.

Tom Vorce May 20, 4:58 PM
Hello Roger! 

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:59 PM
Oh, today is the birthday of one of Jack’s good friends: Jimmy Stewart.

Roger May 20, 4:59 PM
Hello Tom and Brad. It has been several months since I have been able to make it to session.

Brad Strickland May 20, 4:59 PM
Me, too. Stride didn’t like me.

Roger May 20, 4:59 PM
Conflicts with other comments.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:02 PM
Anyone heard from Larua? Kathy, you still here?

R.Hookie May 20, 5:02 PM
Good evening folks!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:03 PM
Hiya, Hookie!

R.Hookie May 20, 5:03 PM
Hey Brad

Tom Vorce May 20, 5:03 PM
Hello Hookie!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:03 PM
hey everyone

R.Hookie May 20, 5:03 PM
Hi Tom

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:03 PM
The Jack Benny emoji. 

R.Hookie May 20, 5:04 PM
Hey Kathy!

Tom Vorce May 20, 5:04 PM
I like it!

R.Hookie May 20, 5:04 PM
I thought that would be a face with a hand to the cheek…

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:05 PM
Went through the catalog and couldn’t find one.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:05 PM
folks, I am going to Springfield Illinois, the Abe Lincoln Library/archives, to read the Waukegan newspaper on microfilm. I will be there Tuesday-Friday, I will post something to the club FB page to ask if there are specific dates anyone wants to me search…

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:05 PM
Here’s a “hmmm” one.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:06 PM
the hmmmm one is very good!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:06 PM
And a Fred Allen one.
Kathy, got your book!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:06 PM
yay, thank you, Brad! Hope you like it

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:07 PM
Almost….
Kathy, I’m sure I’ll like it. I owe my agent a novel, though, so until that’s finished….

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:08 PM
May your fingers fly, Brad!

R.Hookie May 20, 5:08 PM
Somebody’s missing…

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:08 PM
I’ve got a draft. He wants lots of changes though--a series of THREE novels, not just one, and I have to retool the stand-alone I wrote first to make it work with two more books.
Yeah, Hookie, where’s the Boss?

R.Hookie May 20, 5:09 PM
Tony Danza?

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:09 PM
Hold me closer.

R.Hookie May 20, 5:09 PM
No that’s Who’s the Boss…

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:09 PM
I know, but “Hold me closer, Tony Danza” is such a lovely mondegren.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:09 PM
Brad, I joke with my undergrads who want to be screenwriters that you can’t write a SINGLE story anymore. Titanic would NOT be greenlighted in 2018! Ends too completely haha

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:10 PM
True that--for YA novels, too. My agent hates my title, unfortunately--I liked it: “Where the Dead Live.”

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:11 PM
that could be a whole series!! with a colon : Akron or whatever

R.Hookie May 20, 5:11 PM
“Dial M for Mustard”

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:11 PM
It’s Alapaha, Florida, actually. A town that exists in my imagination, and is the most haunted town in North America.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:12 PM
euphonious town name

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:12 PM
Named after a real river. Fake town, real river.
It closely resembles Apalachicola which is where we got our cat Apalachicola, who’s known as Cola for short.
I moved it to east of I-75 and didn’t even break a sweat.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:13 PM
that is sweet! and inspiring, MUCH good luck with the writing! This is the first summer since 2013 that I have not been on a deadline for some iteration of the Benny radio book, yay
so I am “playing around” with Jack'

R.Hookie May 20, 5:14 PM
4:00 in the Morning airs at 4:30am CT on Antenna

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:14 PM
Yay!

R.Hookie May 20, 5:14 PM
A half hour late
The irony!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:14 PM
jack’s early vaudeville career, and another project about director John Ford’s older brother, who taught the 12 -year younger kid everything, but then was forgotten

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:15 PM
I caught the radio version of “The Horn Blows at Midnight” on Sirius XM recently.

R.Hookie May 20, 5:15 PM
Didn’t we have that for a chat a while back?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:15 PM
how was the HORN on Sirius? Did they make fun of it?

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:16 PM
I’ve read about Francis Ford--not much, but a little. Yes, Hookie, we talked about the radio version, better than the film version. Actually, they played it respectfully and pointed out the hopeful end-of-the-war message that the radio version carries--just a bit heavy-handed, but sweet and optimistic.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:17 PM
hooray for Sirius! and hooray for Francis Ford. I found his grandson, who has great stories to tell : )

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:17 PM
And I was just saying today is Jimmy Stewart’s birthday. Hope he and Jack are getting together. Of course, Jack will probably stick him with the check.
Francis was an early film actor, no?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:17 PM
Jimmy and his wife made good substitutes for the Colmans on Jack’s TV shows

R.Hookie May 20, 5:18 PM
Were those episodes filmed or used a live audence?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:18 PM
And yes, Francis Ford was a heart throb in 1916…. with his acting partner Grace Cunard, they made action-packed serials

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:18 PM
I loved the slightly frantic pace Stewart hit when the show with “Bend of the River” ran long and he was desperately trying to finish his lines.
John Ford May have been a great director, but he must’ve been murder to work for.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:19 PM
such a jerk, was John Ford! FF on the other hand, was called the nicest person anybody ever met. I am very lucky in research subjects that way : ) FF and JBenny
so I am hoping to find out what kinds of acts played at the Barrison Theater in Waukegan when Jack played fiddle in the pit orchestra

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:21 PM
I was reading about how he belittled and insulted Henry Brandon, who played Cicatrice in THE SEARCHERS, infuriating him. He made Brandon don full makeup and wardrobe every day in searing desert heat, even if he really didn’t plan on shooting any scenes with him.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:21 PM
and especially to find out when the Marx Brothers were in town with their skit “fun in high school.” Their mom Minnie tried to recruit Jack, HE could have been the fifth Marx Brother!
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Oh yes Brad, EVERYTHING I read about John Ford makes him out to be a real bully, such a jerk to have folks lionize him. He was very mean to FF as well

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:22 PM
(Brandon’s first big role of note was the villain Barnaby in Laurel and Hardy’s BABES IN TOYLAND. He was only 22.)
Isn’t it “Fun in Hi Skule”?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:22 PM
that is so interesting about Henry Brandon!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:23 PM
Hi folks…apologies!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:23 PM
YES its “skule” but I have found that local papers spelled it correctly in advertising and reviews in 1911…..
hello Laura!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:23 PM
Blue-eyed, German extraction, and John Ford cursed him because his Native American makeup kept running…
Hiya, Boss!

Tom Vorce May 20, 5:23 PM
Jello, Laura!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:23 PM
Sorry for the delay, but I was confident you’d keep the chat going!

R.Hookie May 20, 5:24 PM
Hi Laura!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:24 PM
Hey, Laura--look at me! Stride finally worked for me!

Roger May 20, 5:24 PM
1. Hi Laura

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:24 PM
And I found the Benny emoji, too.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:24 PM
Hey Kathy, Tom, Hookie, Brad, Roger!
Congrats, Brad! It’s a pretty widely-used platform so I hoped it would work for us!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:25 PM
I think this is the third or fourth time I tried, and it finally clicked. For the earlier chats, I sat by the waters of Babylon and wept….

Floyd Riggle May 20, 5:25 PM
Stride let me in too finally. Did I miss the show?

R.Hookie May 20, 5:25 PM
water of the Babylon….

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:25 PM
Nope…I was late. Let’s start the show!

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:25 PM
No, wait, not Babylon. It was the Crimea River.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 5:25 PM
YEA!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:25 PM
Here we go…
https://www.watch2gether.com/rooms/ijbfc-mbrm7osc3l5p85x3t9

R.Hookie May 20, 5:26 PM
(rimshot)

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:26 PM
For anyone joining during the show, please join us at the above link!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:54 PM
what a great episode! what’s the date?

Floyd Riggle May 20, 5:54 PM
Good episode choice.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:54 PM
Welcome back, folks…

R.Hookie May 20, 5:54 PM
Well, here we are, back at the chat

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:54 PM
Good chemistry between Groucho and Jack.

Roger May 20, 5:54 PM
well pre-1959

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:54 PM
let me double-check before I give you the wrong answer…

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:54 PM
Two old pros.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:55 PM
4/3/55

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:55 PM
Jack
Jack’s curly toupee and sideburns, a riot!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:55 PM
I remembered it was 1955, thus Jack’s age.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:55 PM
I figured '55, since Jack was 61.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:55 PM
I love Groucho breaking up Jack.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:55 PM
Live TV broadcasts were still the norm then, this was great

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:55 PM
And him getting lost in the curtain…
I’m not positive if this version with the middle commercial is in wide circulation…figured people might have seen it but without the commercial.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 5:56 PM
The name thing that broke up Jack was wonderful.
Things like that which Fred Allen did to him also to crack him up are great.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:56 PM
That happened to me once when we were doing “Pygmalion” and the curtain closed prematurely. I had to fight my way through.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:56 PM
Brad - Someone was trying to bring the house down on you…
And you get some Rochester in the start of the show

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:57 PM
these TV show productions must have reminded Jack of his early vaudeville years, both with joy and terror

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:57 PM
Yep. That was also the show where I put on the Wrong Trousers, just like Wallace and Gromit.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:57 PM
But that’s the only other cast regular.
Kathy - Very much agreed, since he wasn’t particularly a physical comedian.

R.Hookie May 20, 5:57 PM
So, why was I seeing Benny’s Bag in the beginning instead?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:57 PM
a great example of Jack and his writers trying to change things up with each episode and keep audiences guessing.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:57 PM
It reminds me of the radio shows where Roch just phoned in a short bit--literally, from the audience’s pov.

Roger May 20, 5:58 PM
Did Mary do any of the live TV shows?

Floyd Riggle May 20, 5:58 PM
At that time, was Jack still going to NYC for the TV program and LA for Radio?
Maybe only Eddie went due to availability and cost.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:58 PM
Hookie - I’m not sure…the end was playing when I brought it up, but switching to Groucho should have switched it for everyone.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:58 PM
I believe Jack was back in Los Angeles full time by the end of 1952, but still its a LOT of work!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:58 PM
Roger- Very early on, yes.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:58 PM
Mine stuttered two or three times, going back to the beginning, but finally behaved itself.

Roger May 20, 5:58 PM
Thxs

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:59 PM
Kathy’s right. They stopped that when they got the transcontinental coax
Jack couldn’t fly back and forth every two weeks.

Brad Strickland May 20, 5:59 PM
I remember seeing Mary in the filmed show where Jack was prospecting for uranium.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 5:59 PM
and Roger, I believe that Mary stayed off the live shows

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 5:59 PM
Brad - Yes, mine did too. Not sure why, but glad it stopped.
Brad - Yep, as well as the shows in Europe.

Roger May 20, 6:00 PM
Didn’t realized the early TV shows were in NY. THought they were always in LA.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:00 PM
There’s at least one live show with Mary…I was surprised to see her.

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:00 PM
I remember seeing the prospecting show when I was a kid and recall that it utterly cracked me up--but can’t remember what the gag was!

R.Hookie May 20, 6:00 PM
As I mentioned earlier, 4:00 in the Morning is on at 4:30am CT, with Mary in it

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:00 PM
good for Mary, I know that live appearances were so stressful for her

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:00 PM
Roger - They had to do them live in NY before they had coax to send them across the country same-day.
The West Coast would see it a week or two later.

R.Hookie May 20, 6:01 PM
Kinescope

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:01 PM
and you can imagine how awful that was, a 2 day trip across country, to do a live show in NY, then race back to keep doing radio shows in Los Angeles (even though some of them were taped ahead of time)

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:01 PM
Most of them were done ahead of time so that it wasn’t that hectic.

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:02 PM
Was Bing Crosby the first radio personality to record his show? “Transcribed for broadcast at a more convenient time?”

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:02 PM
I understand that Burns and Allen went ahead and moved back to NYC to do their early TV shows, but Benny didn’t want to

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:02 PM
I sat down once and compared the pre-record dates and the dates of the live TV shows from New York.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:02 PM
Brad, yes I believe it was Bing.


Brad Strickland May 20, 6:02 PM
Well, the cost of housing in NYC was so high….

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:02 PM
Brad - I don’t know if he was the absolute first, but he certainly became known for it.
There was even a gag on Jack’s program about it.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:03 PM
Laura, your work and reported materials in your books are AMAZING for establishing a chronology of how hard Benny & Co worked to fulfill all those roles on radio and TV

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:03 PM
I seem to recall reading that Crosby bought a Wollensak reel-to-reel tape recorder--one of the earliest--and realized, “Hey, I can record at any time now and play the tape when the show goes on!”

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:03 PM
Thank you very much! Hey, you of all people know what goes into work like that.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:03 PM
Bing Crosby also purchased an interest in one of the taping companies, he was so enthusiastic about it

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:04 PM
Yes, I believe it was Ampex

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:04 PM
And he bought Sunkist Orange Juice. Not the glass, the company.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:04 PM
crazy stuff about the Germans being the first to use recordings on the radio, and we discovered all the technology at the end of the war

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:04 PM
Which makes me wonder…is Dolores Hope still around?

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:04 PM
Was that pre-recording post WWII?
I read ( Maybe Sunday nights at 7) that the German’s had the high fidelity 
We got it after the war.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:05 PM
Well, I think Petrillo had a hand in that, requiring live musicians for radio.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:05 PM
just right after the war’s end, Floyd, I think. And boy was Petrillo mad, haha

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:05 PM
Kathy LOL

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:05 PM
I remember Crosby’s tv commercials for Sunkist--he said, “I’m the head honcho of this organization….” First time I’d ever heard the word, and I thought for a while he was saying “I’m the head honkey….”

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:05 PM
Certainly did give his union members additional gigs!
Garth Johnson
May 20, 6:06 PM
Petrillo had a pain in the AMPEX but a pain in the ASCAP too.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:06 PM
I LOVE the honkey idea, Brad, as Bing off camera was a jerk, I understand'

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:06 PM
Wah wah wahhhh…
Good one, Garth.

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:06 PM
It’s weird that Petrillo’s name is remembered mainly because he was the butt of so many jokes on radio programs.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:07 PM
Yes! And many Johnny Carson fans know the name of his lawyer
And Horn Blows at Midnight had a whole new life because of it….

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:07 PM
otherwise, off to oblivion James Julius Caesar Petrillo, or whatever his name was 

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:07 PM
Right next to John Cahill.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:07 PM
One of these times we need to jointly watch the OMNIBUS version of THE HORN BLOWS AT MIDNIGHT.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:08 PM
a great idea!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:08 PM
Oh, what an excellent idea!
Let’s do that next month.


Brad Strickland May 20, 6:08 PM
Thirded

R.Hookie May 20, 6:08 PM
That will be fun!
I’ll probably see Groucho…

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:08 PM
So other thoughts on the show, or other Benny-related thoughts on everyone’s mind?
Hookie - At least you know how to get round it now…

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:09 PM
I want sympathy. I recently broke a toe.
One of my own personal ones.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:09 PM
I don’t know why but I was thinking Christmas all of a sudden

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:09 PM
oh no! so sorry about that, Brad

R.Hookie May 20, 6:09 PM
Yes.. start over

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:09 PM
Symphathy spelled backwards is yhtahpmys.

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:09 PM
Thank you, Laura. I’ll take what I can get.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:09 PM
and not the Benny one with he goes shopping, but the Phil/Alice Show where Jack is the guest star as Santa

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:09 PM
haha Laura…..drives your blues away

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:10 PM
Maybe Jack as an angel…Jack as St. Nick…

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:10 PM
YEs

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:10 PM
Which makes me think of the Twilight Zone episode with Art Carney as a drunken Santa

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:10 PM
HO HO HO and where is my $10.00

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:10 PM
Friends…can you no longer toe the line? Do your piggies go “wee wee wee?” Do your shoes feel too tight? You need Symmmmmmmmpathy….
Wonderful episode of TZ. My favorite.

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:11 PM
Well done…I can hear Frank Nelson reading that.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:11 PM
That was a great Zone Laura. One of the few on Video Tape

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:11 PM
I confess my favorite is “A Pitch for the Angels” with Ed Wynn.
Floyd - Yes, exactly.

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:12 PM
Ed Wynn’s is great, but the Carney will make you cry

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:12 PM
OK…should we call it good for this month?
Floyd - I confess the Ed Wynn one made me cry once!

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:12 PM

Garth Johnson
May 20, 6:12 PM
I’m drawing a Blanc for anything to say

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:13 PM
(We were doing a table read for a script at the Atlanta Radio Theater a couple of weeks ago, and when an actor read the line, “Can you help me, Mister?” the other actor skipped his cue. The first one said, “Mister?” and I said, “Yessssssss?” The director thought I was doing The Great Gildersleeve!)

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:13 PM
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R.Hookie May 20, 6:13 PM
I’m so glad we had this time together….

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:13 PM
Well taking Garth’s straight line
ebida , ebida, ebida That’s all folks.
Garth Johnson
May 20, 6:13 PM
Went with the wind …. 

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:13 PM
Brad - Hee hee…at least he had a reference
Thanks again for your patience, folks.

Brad Strickland May 20, 6:13 PM
Goooooooood night, everyone! (BTW, I recently discovered the British “Quiz” show QI. If you can see it, do!)

Tom Vorce May 20, 6:13 PM
Good show, tonight and good conversation, everyone! Thanks!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:14 PM
Take care folks! Thanks for stopping!

Floyd Riggle May 20, 6:14 PM
Next Time

R.Hookie May 20, 6:14 PM
Good night, folks!

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:14 PM
thanks folks, and send me dates to look for in Waukegan newspapers

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:14 PM
Medjool.

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:14 PM
not Palm Spings dates, haha

Roger May 20, 6:14 PM
Good night!

Laura Leibowitz May 20, 6:14 PM
You want those with nuts or without?

Kathy Fuller Seeley May 20, 6:16 PM
with!

Mike Amowitz May 20, 6:22 PM
Hi LL, Kathy … I finally got in!
But… you’re all gone … missed you by 6 ,imutes this time.
minutes

M. Mitchell Marmel May 20, 6:35 PM
Missed you by THAT much!