IJBFC Chat - April 19, 2015

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Laura Leff joined the room

Steve Archer joined the room

 

Steve Archer

2:01 PM

Hey Laura

 

Laura Leff

2:02 PM

Hey Steve

How's life up north?

 

Steve Archer

2:02 PM

Great - it's been a bennyriffic weekend, just saw Joan at REPS and plenty of others

 

Marc Thorner joined the room

 

Laura Leff

2:03 PM

Oh, I didn't even realize that REPS was this weekend.  Duh.

 

Steve Archer

2:03 PM

How are you?!

Your name was invoked many times.

especially at Joan's panel - "Laura would know that"

Hi Marc

 

Laura Leff

2:03 PM

LOL...

Hi Marc!

 

Marc Thorner

2:04 PM

Hello!!

 

Steve Archer

2:04 PM

Are you someone we know by another name?

Now that we have the real names thing going on.

 

Marc Thorner

2:04 PM

no.. just me

 

Laura Leff

2:04 PM

I wonder if I ticked off someone at REPS.  None of them ever let me know what was going on.  And I've been too busy with too many other things to keep an eye on them.

Hey Hookie

 

R. Hookie

2:04 PM

Hi folks

 

Steve Archer

2:05 PM

I didn't know either till I heard an ad with Joan on the radio!

I just found out like a week ago.  I haven't been involved with REPS before.

Anyway I met (and drank) with Joe Kearns' cousin, that was fun.

Beverly Washburn is the loveliest person ever and says to say hello

 

Laura Leff

2:05 PM

Cool!

Yes, she's delightful!

Did she have on her St. Christopher medal?

 

Steve Archer

2:06 PM

I spoke to her for about five seconds before I was getting hugs!

Both she and Gloria McMillan!

I didn't notice the medal

 

Laura Leff

2:07 PM

She has half a St. Christopher that Jack gave her.  She often wears it to things like this.

Congratulations, you have now been hugged by a Beverly Hills Beaver and Margaret Truman at the same time.

 

Steve Archer

2:07 PM

LOL

 

Laura Leff

2:08 PM

So how was the weekend?  What did they do, and what did they talk about?

Hey Ed!

 

R. Hookie

2:08 PM

Hi Ed

 

Steve Archer

2:08 PM

There were a couple of beavers there.  Stuffy Singer and Tommy Cook...Cook was a beaver too, right?

 

Laura Leff

2:08 PM

I don't think so.  He was a child actor, but I'm pretty sure he was never a Beaver IIRC.

 

Steve Archer

2:09 PM

OK, might have that one confused.  He's a character.

 

Laura Leff

2:09 PM

Hey hey!  Brad made it in!

 

R. Hookie

2:09 PM

Hi Brad!

 

Laura Leff

2:09 PM

Oh yeah...met him about 12 years ago at a convention.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:09 PM

I finally made it. Had to go out and change my browser.

 

Steve Archer

2:09 PM

Joan's panel was nice.  She did one on Friday too where she commented on clips from TB or NTB but I had to work on Friday.

 

ed kienzler

2:09 PM

Hi guys...l have lots of time now...crushed left foot from hit and run

 

Steve Archer

2:09 PM

Yikes Ed!

Hi Brad!

 

Laura Leff

2:09 PM

OUCH!

 

Brad from Georgia

2:09 PM

Hi, Steve!

 

ed kienzler

2:09 PM

Brad hi...

 

Steve Archer

2:10 PM

I am talking about REPS.  I literally saw Joan three hours ago.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:10 PM

Ed, howdy.

 

R. Hookie

2:10 PM

Ouch for sure

 

Brad from Georgia

2:10 PM

Wonderful!

 

Laura Leff

2:10 PM

Did you get a chance to talk with Joan directly?

 

ed kienzler

2:10 PM

Been a long time Brad...

 

Steve Archer

2:10 PM

Just really briefly Laura.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:10 PM

Sorry for your injury, ed!

 

ed kienzler

2:10 PM

Thanks...

 

Steve Archer

2:10 PM

She signed my copy of SNAS, we talked a bit about you but had to move on.

 

Laura Leff

2:11 PM

Oh funny.  Hope she said nice things.   :)

 

Steve Archer

2:11 PM

Joan seemed a bit more reserve and less "mingly" than some of the others.

reserved

 

Brad from Georgia

2:11 PM

When I talked to Joan for the Eddie Carroll book, she was nice as could be, but for most of my questions she'd say, "

Laura Leff would know about that...." :-)

 

Laura Leff

2:11 PM

I love it.   :)

 

Steve Archer

2:11 PM

Yeah, she's in an interesting position because everyone wants to know about the show but she really knows more about "dad".

Still charming and pleasant as can be.

 

Laura Leff

2:12 PM

Exactly.  She and I probably talk more about music than we do about her father.

 

Steve Archer

2:12 PM

She did talk about the new foundation and the pistachio farm profits leading to it.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:12 PM

Best thing she said to me: "If you saw the Jack Benny show, you saw Dad. He was just the same at home as on the show, just a nice, sweet man."

 

Laura Leff

2:12 PM

Yepper.  I'm going to put a blurb on that in the newsletter today.

 

Steve Archer

2:13 PM

Really a nice thing.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:13 PM

Somehow I hear John C.L. Slivoney advertising pistachios....

 

Laura Leff

2:13 PM

Just shows you how Wonderful those pistachios can be!

So who listened to the show for this month?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:13 PM

I did!

 

Steve Archer

2:13 PM

I did too.

 

R. Hookie

2:14 PM

I did twice

 

Brad from Georgia

2:14 PM

Were the sound problems in it for everyone? I got a long period of silence, then a stuttering effect for awhile on one of Phil's lines.

 

Laura Leff

2:14 PM

Yay!  I had the show for last month, but then no one listened to it.  So I figured I'd just hold it over.  Was still a good chat.

 

Steve Archer

2:14 PM

Yes, same here Brad

 

Laura Leff

2:14 PM

Brad - Yep, that's on the mp3.

 

R. Hookie

2:14 PM

Not exactly proper English

 

Brad from Georgia

2:14 PM

Well, it was an old show...

 

Laura Leff

2:14 PM

I think someone did a bad transfer from the disc.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:14 PM

Hiya, Hookie@

 

R. Hookie

2:14 PM

Hi again Brad

 

Brad from Georgia

2:14 PM

That was sposed to be a hexclamaiton mark.

 

Laura Leff

2:15 PM

This is really the first time you get to see a trace of Phil's character.

 

R. Hookie

2:15 PM

I thought you turned me into a email address

 

Brad from Georgia

2:15 PM

Phil had an interesting blackface voice.

 

Laura Leff

2:15 PM

His "Righto!" response was about the extent of his involvement to that point.  Very subdued.

hookie@prompter.com

 

Steve Archer

2:16 PM

Don't know how to feel about Jack and Co doing the dialect.

It takes a lot to push my "offended" button and I can contextualize it historically but still a few winces there.

 

Laura Leff

2:16 PM

That's part of the reason I wanted to discuss it.  When you think about it in 1936 terms, it was fine.  But is it worse than things that other people point to as "racist," like the Si-Sy routine.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:17 PM

It bothered me a little, but then we have to look at it in the context of the times, I suppose. I did graduate work on the writings of Joel Chandler Harris, and a good many black scholars I talked to felt torn--the dialect was accurate, but they felt it was demeaning.

 

R. Hookie

2:17 PM

Now I thought Si Sy was funny

 

ed kienzler

2:17 PM

It has always been funny

 

Steve Archer

2:18 PM

Even in 1936 terms...the stuff like "I didn't wash my face all week",

 

Brad from Georgia

2:18 PM

It seemed to me that Jack and the gang mostly did the bit as an affectionate look at minstrel shows. Bear in mind that some minstrel shows were all white, but more than half were either integrated or all-black.

 

Laura Leff

2:18 PM

Having heard the auditions for the Rochester spin-off and hearing the AA actors speaking "straight" as they introduce themselves, and then go into dialect for reading the script...that was a challenge.

 

R. Hookie

2:18 PM

That material wouldn't fly today

 

Steve Archer

2:18 PM

I think just labeling something as "racist" is not super helpful, it's like an on-off switch and you can't think about it after it has that label.

 

Laura Leff

2:19 PM

It's subjective...kind of like the comment about pornography ("I know it when I see it.").

 

ed kienzler

2:19 PM

Steve true

 

Steve Archer

2:19 PM

So you need to-- at least *I* need to --- acknowledge the "wrong" aspects of it then dive in and see what does and doesn't have value otherwise.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:19 PM

Some of the dialect (not to mention a certain tenor) was WAY overdone, I thought. That sort of made me uncomfortable.

 

Laura Leff

2:19 PM

I've had people tell me that they don't think Jack's programs get more airplay today because of Rochester, Si-Sy, etc.

Heah I come!

 

R. Hookie

2:20 PM

I was offended by Don dressed as Jell-o

 

Steve Archer

2:20 PM

Speaking of which - Joan at the panel yesterday briefly addressed this when a question came up about "Rochester"

 

Laura Leff

2:20 PM

Why does no one ever complain about Professor Le Blanc being racist?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:21 PM

It's really interesting to look at this program, then the very early Rochester programs, then the post-war ones. Jack's sensibilities on the issue evolved toward a much more enlightened stance.

 

Steve Archer

2:21 PM

Well, that's more "ethnic" than "racial"

 

Brad from Georgia

2:21 PM

Besides, "Blanc" is French.....

 

Laura Leff

2:21 PM

I don't know if it's so much Jack's sensibilities, or what they could get past their Southern stations.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:21 PM

'Course it does mean "White," so there you go.

 

Laura Leff

2:21 PM

Steve - What's the difference?

 

Steve Archer

2:22 PM

Well, the French aren't considered a "race" like "Caucasians"

 

ed kienzler

2:22 PM

Originally spelled Blank...

 

Laura Leff

2:22 PM

If you think of Henry Armetta, is he ethnic or racist?

 

Steve Archer

2:22 PM

I don't know who that is

 

Laura Leff

2:22 PM

Stereotypical Italian comedian.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:22 PM

Like the time Jack and Rochester were sparring and Rochester knocked him down. They got complaints from the South about that...but Jack essentially said, "Forget 'em, it's a funny bit."

 

ed kienzler

2:22 PM

Or j Carroll naish

 

Brad from Georgia

2:23 PM

Or Chico Marx.

 

Steve Archer

2:23 PM

Basically back in the 19th century you were a Negroid, a Caucasoid or a Mongoloid to use the old awful terms.

 

Laura Leff

2:23 PM

Mongoloid meaning an Asian?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:23 PM

Or a Native American.

 

Steve Archer

2:23 PM

and "science" believed those categories had some validity other than just clinal variation of human traits.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:23 PM

Meant both, actually.

 

Laura Leff

2:23 PM

Hey, Hitler agreed with that.  Not that I agree with Hitler.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:24 PM

Hitler added one: Aryan. Based on no science.

 

Steve Archer

2:24 PM

Right...thus why "French" doesn't have the loaded history as a "race" that "Negro" does.

 

ed kienzler

2:24 PM

I don't either

 

Laura Leff

2:25 PM

Know I've talked about this previously, but I've gotten complaints from people on John L.C. Silvoney.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:25 PM

Mark Twain: "God created Man a little lower than the angels, and he's been getting lower ever since. Today he stands somewhere between the angels and the French."

 

ed kienzler

2:25 PM

Good quote

 

Brad from Georgia

2:25 PM

Well, Slivoney is so obviously a dig at the Irish.

I kid.

 

Laura Leff

2:26 PM

People claim he makes fun of alcoholics (maybe they're thinking of him on the Gleason show in Joe's Bar) and others claim he makes fun of people with cerebral palsy.

I can't think of anyone who was making fun of people with cerebral palsy back then.

 

Marc Thorner

2:27 PM

really? i thought it was drunks

 

Laura Leff

2:27 PM

I get questions about Kitzel, but people complain about Silvoney.  It's odd.

 

ed kienzler

2:27 PM

Those times were different then

 

Brad from Georgia

2:27 PM

I recall Benny on the Johnny Carson show, when Carson asked, "Didn't you change your name when you went into show business? Wasn't it Kubelsky?" And Jack said, "Well, actually my father changed it. It used to be O'Kubelsky. We came from Ireland, you know."

 

Laura Leff

2:27 PM

Does anyone complain about the people in Allen's Alley?

 

Steve Archer

2:28 PM

I don't think Silvoney, or obviously Rochester, is hateful, but there are certain aspects of each that you certainly couldn't do today.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:28 PM

Marc, I was kidding about Slivoney.

 

Laura Leff

2:28 PM

Brad - Oh that's funny.

 

Steve Archer

2:29 PM

About modern "complaints" - there's a bit of "what's the point" to it....

 

Brad from Georgia

2:29 PM

Benny was riffing on his own show: "Mr. Kitzel, I had no idea you were Irish!" Kitzel: "Just on my mother's side. Full-blooded, I'm not."

 

Steve Archer

2:29 PM

I mean, who's worried about Mrs. Nussbaum's stereotype influence on society today.  No one even knows who Fred Allen is anymore.

 

Laura Leff

2:29 PM

I just find it interesting that everyone needs to "classify" the question of "what is wrong/unusual about Silvoney?"  Why can't he just be funny?

Actually, I think I've heard complaints about Foghorn Leghorn, who's ripped off from Senator Claghorn.

 

Marc Thorner

2:30 PM

exactly

 

Laura Leff

2:30 PM

And Parker Fennelly was doing his New England thing for Pepperidge Farm into the 80s.

 

Marc Thorner

2:30 PM

yes!!

 

Brad from Georgia

2:30 PM

For me the one thing that saves it--thanks, Laura, that's about what I was going to say--is that in the era of the show, America was one big nation of people from everywhere. Yes, people laughed at stereotypes, but my gosh, EVERYONE was a stereotype--a New Yorker, a Southerner, a Midwesterner, as well as Scots, German, etc.

 

Laura Leff

2:31 PM

Well said.

 

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley joined the room

 

ed kienzler

2:31 PM

The network censors were easy in those days on ethnics

 

Laura Leff

2:31 PM

Hey Kathy!

 

Steve Archer

2:31 PM

Well - re: Silvoney, he's kind of a dumb guy with a speech impediment which I think -together- is the crux.

Hi Kathy

 

R. Hookie

2:31 PM

Hi Kathy

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:31 PM

Hello Laura and everybody, interested to see what you are talking about today

 

Brad from Georgia

2:31 PM

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Garrison Keillor is such a racist, the way he makes fun of those poor Norwegian bachelor farmers!"

 

Laura Leff

2:31 PM

Jack Benny and racism (inspired by the show for today).

 

Brad from Georgia

2:32 PM

Hi, Kathy.

 

ed kienzler

2:32 PM

Hi Kathy

 

R. Hookie

2:32 PM

I need to step aside a moment, the dog wants me...

 

Laura Leff

2:32 PM

Hi Penny.

 

Steve Archer

2:32 PM

I mean, if Gracie Allen talked like Geri Jewell but didn't actually have CP, you could see the issue.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:32 PM

Dogs can be very needy.

 

ed kienzler

2:32 PM

Come back Brad

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:32 PM

well, I very much agree with you folks that atttitudes about racial and ethnic stereotypes were very different back in the day

 

Laura Leff

2:32 PM

Steve - That's an interesting point.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:33 PM

I've never been away. My dogs are upstairs.

 

Laura Leff

2:33 PM

It's Hookie's dog, Penny, who's interrupting.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:33 PM

so we have to do a lot of "mea culpas" to bring it up. Understanding the historical context helps a lot

 

Brad from Georgia

2:33 PM

Once upon a time every cartoon character had to have some kind of speech impediment OR sound like a movie star.

 

Laura Leff

2:33 PM

I'm remembering one of Eddie Anderson's very early appearances, before he was Rochester

 

R. Hookie

2:33 PM

She's out now, but not for long... it's 56 deg here

 

Laura Leff

2:33 PM

Pete Puma is Silvoney

 

Brad from Georgia

2:34 PM

Sure is.

 

Laura Leff

2:34 PM

Where he's supposedly playing a French waiter, but still doing it without a French accent.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:34 PM

you are RIGHT Brad, Harry Conn even admitted so, in a letter from him to Jack. Its the most easily recognizable difference

I think of it as "aural slapstick" as opposed to Keystone Kops physical slapstick

 

Laura Leff

2:35 PM

Haven't heard it in a while, but there's some kind of song about Jell-O, and Anderson calls out "Make mine watermelon!"  I could never hear it without wincing.

 

R. Hookie

2:35 PM

Popeye's speech impediment

 

Laura Leff

2:35 PM

Yeah, is Popeye racist?

 

Steve Archer

2:35 PM

Are people with missing eyes a race?

 

R. Hookie

2:35 PM

if he took that pipe out of his mouth

 

Laura Leff

2:35 PM

Is Bugs Bunny a racist stereotype of people from Brooklyn?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:35 PM

Well, there's Mr. Geezle, who is a stereotypical Jewish pedlar-type.

 

R. Hookie

2:36 PM

I thought he was Bronx

 

Laura Leff

2:36 PM

It's sad that Charlie Chan can't get airplay any more.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:36 PM

Bugs is a mixture of Brooklyn and the Bronx, according to Mel Blanc's autobiography. "The two toughest-sounding dialects."

 

Laura Leff

2:36 PM

South Bronx

 

Marc Thorner

2:36 PM

but you can buy the nice box set of Charlie Chan movies

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:36 PM

stereotypes are the very basis of humor, exploring our differences to play with incongruity, and (sadly) superiority.

 

Steve Archer

2:37 PM

I think there's a BIG old continuum between sterotype - negative stereotype - ignorantly racist -  and cross-burning/sheet-wearing

 

Laura Leff

2:37 PM

Right.  Other people are superior to Jack because he's cheap, or they're classier than him (Colmans), etc.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:37 PM

I agree, Steve

 

Brad from Georgia

2:37 PM

I think that the key is celebrating the differences, not being negative about them.

 

ed kienzler

2:37 PM

Agreed Brad

 

Laura Leff

2:37 PM

And laughing at them.  Like Dennis Day being a silly kid.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:37 PM

I think that's a lot healthier and happier, Brad : )

 

Laura Leff

2:37 PM

Or Phil Harris being bragadocious.

Vive la difference.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:38 PM

I am hoping that if our culture is so sensitive to this today, that in 10-20 years we will have learned something and get past it. Such a dreamer I am

 

Steve Archer

2:38 PM

I don't think there's a moment on the Benny show that ever flipped to the truly racist side of the teeter-totter.

 

ed kienzler

2:38 PM

Phil Harris is what Laura???

 

Laura Leff

2:38 PM

So what else on the show for this month?  Do we want to debate the old Kenny vs. Dennis question?

 

R. Hookie

2:38 PM

Pro-Denny

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:39 PM

guiltily I admit that Kenny was a better singer, and got classic showtunes to sing many times. I get so tired of the Irish songs haha

 

Laura Leff

2:39 PM

Ed - Bragadocious...overly loud and bragging.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:39 PM

Coming from Georgia, which I do, I'm very fond of collard greens, black-eyed peas, and yes, watermelon. I was in an Atlanta restaurant ordering a meal--the server was African-American--and I asked, "Do you put sugar in the collards?" she indignantly said, "No, we don't!" "Then bring me a bowl," I said. She laughed and said, "I thought you were a Yankee. They don't know doodly about collards."

 

ed kienzler

2:39 PM

Thanks

 

Steve Archer

2:40 PM

Yeech who puts sugar in collards?

 

ed kienzler

2:40 PM

Thanks

 

Brad from Georgia

2:40 PM

Evidently...damnyankees do.

 

Laura Leff

2:40 PM

Yes, why would you put sugar in collards...

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:40 PM

the same folks who put sugar in grits. I saw terrible things done by Yankees in Atlanta

 

Marc Thorner

2:40 PM

i never knew this

 

Steve Archer

2:40 PM

I thankfully never had collards with sugar in them.  So much pork you couldn't see the green, but that's just about proper.

 

Laura Leff

2:40 PM

Southerners put sugar in tea.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:40 PM

Some people do that to tone down the bitterness, but I like the bitterness of collards. I cook delicious collards myself, actually.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:40 PM

or tea in their sugar

 

Brad from Georgia

2:41 PM

Laura, sweet tea is tea in its natural state.

 

Steve Archer

2:41 PM

I think I'm the only person in Seattle who buys collards!

 

R. Hookie

2:41 PM

I put sugar on lefse

 

Laura Leff

2:41 PM

Brad - Define natural state.

 

Marc Thorner

2:42 PM

(BTW, I come from Brooklyn.. The Melting pot. If you can't make fun of yourself in the most dire of situations. You also learn to take it as well as give it!!)

 

Laura Leff

2:42 PM

collards are also good substitutes for the wrappers in stuffed cabage.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:42 PM

I purely love watermelon, too. I understand that around 1900 it became a stereotypical racial "marker" for bad jokes, though, and know why it can be so offensive.

That's true, Laura. I'm now craving soul food.

 

Laura Leff

2:43 PM

I hear that.  And being in Oakland, I could get some excellent fare if I wasn't cleansing today.

 

R. Hookie

2:43 PM

Stepping aside again briefly

 

Laura Leff

2:43 PM

I agree that Kenny was a better singer.  Kind of unfortunate that he never did much after Jack.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:44 PM

Turnip greens and pinto beans...that's what I like about the South. My wife says I make better biscuits and corn pone than she does.

 

Laura Leff

2:44 PM

Do you put sugar in your cornbread?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:44 PM

I think Dennis was more versatile and had a greater range in the acting department. Laura, perish the very thought.

I HAVE been known to put cracklings in it, but they're so fatty I have to lay off them.

 

Laura Leff

2:45 PM

Well, I do, and I use a Paul Prudhomme recipe.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:45 PM

YES I agree Brad that Dennis turned into a MUCH more nimble performer. I have heard Kenny on a Fred Allen show when he joined Fred (1941?) and he is just annoying.

 

Laura Leff

2:45 PM

Thoughts on Mary's character from this month's show?  This predates her making the change from girl-pest to, well...

 

Brad from Georgia

2:46 PM

Yep, that's N'Orleans cornbread. It's okay, but I usually like the cornbread to have that nice flavor that's set off so well with a dab of butter.

 

R. Hookie

2:46 PM

Is that the guy who looks like Dom DeLuise?

 

Steve Archer

2:46 PM

Mary?

You're thinking of Babe

 

Laura Leff

2:46 PM

Hookie - Yep

 

Brad from Georgia

2:46 PM

Mary was just kind of...there for me in this one.

 

R. Hookie

2:47 PM

I didn't think Mary really stood out here

 

Steve Archer

2:47 PM

agreed

 

Laura Leff

2:47 PM

Does Mary stand out in any of the 30s shows?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:47 PM

Its interesting to see how much star publicity Mary was getting in 1936. The Press really made her out to be Jack's partner.

 

Laura Leff

2:47 PM

Aside from Snow White and the Seven Gangsters.

 

R. Hookie

2:47 PM

Good point Laura

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:47 PM

I like Mary in the Why Girls leave home skits, she is cute and knowing

 

Laura Leff

2:47 PM

Kathy - She even got her own movie about this time.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:48 PM

and its the ones we don't have recordings of. I would have loved to hear her Mae West, which got lots of comments in the newspapers

 

Laura Leff

2:48 PM

Oh, there are recordings of that.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:48 PM

Laura do you have a copy of This Way Please in the archive? I will have to order it

 

Laura Leff

2:48 PM

Yep, sure do.  Oh hey, what did you think of the first TV episode?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:49 PM

yeah, sometimes I forget what I have heard vs read

 

Laura Leff

2:49 PM

I know exactly how that is.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:49 PM

OH WOW I loved the first TV episode! It was much better than the script suggested, or reviewers. I was struck by how very small the set was. And that bus was cardboard that Jack gets off.

 

Laura Leff

2:49 PM

I don't think Mary's Mae West is much different from mine.  Or Paul Lynde's.

Ah, television in its infancy.

Makes me think of Doctor Who from the 70s.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:50 PM

You are right about the standard Mae West imitation. Interesting to me that Mary's character was so youthful and dumb, but she gets to play Mae

 

Brad from Georgia

2:50 PM

Me too. I got REALLY excited earlier this week when I saw a book advertised on Kindle that indicated someone had found a complete print of the lost Laurel and Hardy short "Hats Off" in Cuba. Then when I started to order it, I read that it was a work of fiction, a mystery with finding the film as the maguffin.

 

R. Hookie

2:50 PM

The Sportsmen sang quite the intro there too

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:51 PM

Doh! Brad, now that sounds like creativity, but a frustrated bait and switch as well

 

Brad from Georgia

2:51 PM

Yes, I was disappointed.

 

Laura Leff

2:51 PM

Kathy - Well, her dumb dora character was also interested in men, so it's not that huge of a stretch.  She was silly but not necessarily virginal.

Although those 1932 scenes of them flirting and falling in love are very sweet.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:52 PM

on the Oct 1950 TV episode, looks like they were running short on time. The Rochester introduction was SUPPOSED to be longer, with his face hidden by the window cleaning material and he would rub himself a hole to bring him into view

I agree Laura, Mary wasn't a 13 year old kid like the Portland Hoffa character.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:53 PM

Though Mary does a passable Portland voice.

 

Laura Leff

2:53 PM

Yes.  Portland seemed pretty asexual, as was Fred.

Yes, and Jack does a pretty good Allen imitation.

 

Steve Archer

2:53 PM

Hey Laura on another topic - something that came up at REPS

 

Brad from Georgia

2:54 PM

Laura, how about the May 5 1940 episode next time? I think that's got one of the early take-offs on Fred Allen's show.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:54 PM

and fun that when Jack had to write his own emergency script in March 1936 that he made it a parody of Fred Allen's talent show

 

Steve Archer

2:54 PM

Do you know of the whereabouts of George Balzer's manuscript book on Jack?  Joan and many there were saying how much they'd like to read it.

 

Laura Leff

2:54 PM

Brad - Not the earliest one, but I can do that.

Steve - I have it.   :)

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:55 PM

oooooh, Laura, so what does Balzer say?

 

Brad from Georgia

2:55 PM

I know--I SAID "one of the early" ones, for heaven's sake. Nobody LISTENS to me....okay, I can't do a good Benny voice even on a computer.

 

Steve Archer

2:55 PM

Super - they were saying they were fearing it was lost.

Hopefully there's a publishing outlet for it someday.

 

Laura Leff

2:55 PM

Nope.  Got it.

I was waiting a bit to approach the kids about the possibility of publishing it.

 

ed kienzler

2:55 PM

Sorry had get some water...hard to do with a walker...

 

Brad from Georgia

2:55 PM

LL--I know a publisher who'

 

Laura Leff

2:55 PM

Thing is, that it needs a really good editor.  You can see that it's still pretty drafty.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:55 PM

who would take it sight unseen...

 

Laura Leff

2:56 PM

I was thinking about self-publishing it through the IJBFC.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:56 PM

And I have worked as a professional editor. I could do it pro-bono. Or pro-Benny.

 

Steve Archer

2:56 PM

Laura, Brad - that would be such a great thing!

 

Brad from Georgia

2:56 PM

And I can format books for POD or epublishing, too.

 

Laura Leff

2:56 PM

I'm kind of torn about it, because on one side, I think it's interesting to get George's stuff unedited.  You really see the pure voice that is his.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:56 PM

For a kid from the South, that ain't bad.

 

Laura Leff

2:57 PM

But on the other hand, it gets bogged down in spots and I confess that I haven't read the whole thing.

 

Steve Archer

2:57 PM

Well, a good editor should be able to preserve the voice and tone and cut out the boggy

 

Brad from Georgia

2:57 PM

LL--there are ways and ways. It's probably do-able. Maxwell Perkins said "Everybody can write one good book."

 

Laura Leff

2:58 PM

True.  Well, let me see if the family is open to having it published.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:58 PM

Actually, he said ANYbody.

 

Laura Leff

2:59 PM

Just to drive you all nuts, I think it would solve a mystery.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

2:59 PM

oh boy, I love   a  mystery

 

Brad from Georgia

2:59 PM

Ah! We get to know who Quentin was!

 

Steve Archer

2:59 PM

The mystery from Milt's book?

 

Laura Leff

2:59 PM

That would make a good radio show.

 

Brad from Georgia

2:59 PM

Nah, I know it's not that.

 

Laura Leff

2:59 PM

:)

 

R. Hookie

2:59 PM

Is that your Shatner impression?

 

Laura Leff

2:59 PM

Hookie - Good one.

 

 

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Brad from Georgia

3:00 PM

It's a subtle reference to an old-time radio show about a team who loved a good mystery. And the title of that show was... Gangbusters!

 

R. Hookie

3:00 PM

Judy!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:00 PM

Cary!

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:00 PM

maybe we could find out who killed Carlton Quince

 

Steve Archer

3:00 PM

Hi Judy

 

Brad from Georgia

3:01 PM

Hi, Judy#

 

Laura Leff

3:01 PM

Hi Judy!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:01 PM

I cannoy find the ! on my new keyboard.

 

Steve Archer

3:01 PM

or the t!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:01 PM

It is an ergonomic keyboard. You find an erg, it'll nom it for you.

 

R. Hookie

3:01 PM

Do a percent sign next!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:01 PM

%

%

 

Laura Leff

3:01 PM

Hooray!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:01 PM

I can also do "deformed rabbit."

 

Laura Leff

3:02 PM

Judy - We only just became this crazy.

 

R. Hookie

3:02 PM

?

 

Steve Archer

3:02 PM

they don't put the "cents" sign on the keyboard anymore.  Darned inflation.

 

Laura Leff

3:02 PM

Oo...don't want to know about deformed rabbit.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:02 PM

You can get the ASCII character fo it, though.

 

Laura Leff

3:02 PM

That's because no one has any cents any more.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:02 PM

It's a reference to the late, dearly missed, Terry Pratchett, Laura.

 

R. Hookie

3:02 PM

rimshot

 

Steve Archer

3:02 PM

The people on my bus sure have some scents though

 

Laura Leff

3:02 PM

Terry Pratchett died?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:02 PM

Yes, sadly

 

Laura Leff

3:02 PM

Awwwww

 

Brad from Georgia

3:03 PM

He was only 66.

He did NOT commit assisted suicide, by the way. Natural causes.

 

Laura Leff

3:03 PM

Nuts.  Well he left us a heck of a library of stuff to enjoy.

Cancer?

Now Mort can do his job.

So what else Benny-wise is on folks' minds tonight?

Steve - Any more news from REPS?

Er...this afternoon.  I changed the time of the chat...

 

Brad from Georgia

3:04 PM

No, he had Alzheimer's, but a peculiar variety that gradually robbed him of his ability to put names to objects. He would know what a telephone was, but could not identify one by sight. Anyway, he declined and died of pneumonia, I think it was.

 

Steve Archer

3:04 PM

Well, like I say, got to meet Joe Kearns' cousin who lives in Seattle.

 

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Laura Leff

3:04 PM

Brad - My mother had that affliction after her stroke.  That's very sad.

Did he have any stories about Cousin Joe?

 

Steve Archer

3:05 PM

We actually started talking more about other stuff - he was more like an "uncle" to him though technically a cousin.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:06 PM

I saw a 2013 interview with Pratchett in which he was asked, "Do you mind being the poster boy for dementia?" He said, "No, but I think I make it look good. I've had two books on the best-seller lists here and in America since being diagnosed with it."

 

Steve Archer

3:06 PM

I don't think anything folks here don't know.

Joan's panel was fun, she was mortified when they played tape of her subbing in reading Mary's lines.

 

 

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Brad from Georgia

3:06 PM

Aww....

 

Laura Leff

3:06 PM

For which show?

Hi Phil!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:06 PM

Hello, Phil!

 

Laura Leff

3:06 PM

They didn't play the 5/22/55 show, did they?

 

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Phil Curry

3:06 PM

Finally got on..

 

R. Hookie

3:07 PM

Hi Phil

 

Steve Archer

3:07 PM

It was one of the last season ones, not sure of the airdate - I don't think the very last show.

 

Laura Leff

3:07 PM

Because that's not her on the last show.  It's Jeanette Eymann.

That could be a reason she looked mortified.

 

Steve Archer

3:07 PM

No, this was definitely Joan, unmistakable.

 

Laura Leff

3:07 PM

Who moderated the panel?

 

Steve Archer

3:07 PM

They played some of her earlier cameo bits from the show and same voice.

 

Laura Leff

3:08 PM

Got it.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:08 PM

so what is this gathering REPS?

 

Steve Archer

3:08 PM

Larry and John Gassman

 

Laura Leff

3:08 PM

Oh, that's why I didn't know anything about it.

 

Steve Archer

3:08 PM

Radio Enthusiasts of Puget Sound.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:08 PM

well, that sounds great. Local angle but national reach?

 

Steve Archer

3:09 PM

I take it there's a story there...maybe not for the chat?

 

Laura Leff

3:09 PM

Definitely not.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:09 PM

I also don't know anything about SPERDVAC, it has an annual gathering?

 

Steve Archer

3:09 PM

Other guests were Gloria McMillan who is a super sweetheart, Terry Moore, Stuffy Singer, Beverly Washburn, Tommy Cook

 

Laura Leff

3:09 PM

Kathy - That's an interesting question.

 

Steve Archer

3:10 PM

I had breakfast today with Tom Ritter (Son of Tex/brother of John) who is also super nice.

 

Laura Leff

3:10 PM

Who in the room can speak to SPERDVAC?

 

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Laura Leff

3:10 PM

And minimize stepping on the politics of the question.

 

Steve Archer

3:11 PM

Many Benny fans there of course but no one I know particuarly from the club.

 

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Laura Leff

3:11 PM

Yes, get any group of old radio fans together, and a lot of them will be Benny fans.

 

R. Hookie

3:11 PM

We're an elite group

 

Laura Leff

3:11 PM

Hey Judy...

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:11 PM

ah ha, information I can find out another time : )      Intergroup politics, sounds as bad as the dust-storms raised in faculty meetings

 

Laura Leff

3:12 PM

Judy - If you're looking to speak in the room, type in the white box at the bottom of the screen next to the paper clip image.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:12 PM

Faculty politics. A major reason why I enjoy being retired.

 

Steve Archer

3:12 PM

Beverly was incredible in a recreation of the play "Long Distance" - just full throttle old time SUSPENSE type performance.

 

Laura Leff

3:12 PM

Well, here's my attempt at a summary.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:12 PM

and I am envious, Brad! haha  I was at Georgia State for 10 years

 

Laura Leff

3:13 PM

There are two factions.  One wants to focus on the audio library, and not have a convention.  The other wants to focus more on gatherings.

So there has been a struggle over many years of who's in charge, and whether they have a gathering or not.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:13 PM

I was at Gainesville Junior College/Gainesville College/Gainesviille State College/The University of North Georgia for 28 years. That's one place, just four different names. I think the institution owed somebody money they didn't want to pay back....

 

Laura Leff

3:13 PM

I think the group that does gatherings is now in charge.

 

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Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:13 PM

sigh if they can't cooperate for the common good. just like at school

that is a great school in all its iterations, hard working faculty making a difference for its students

 

 

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Laura Leff

3:14 PM

Yeah, you don't want to hear the stuff that was discussed during the consumption of alcohol in the hospitality rooms.

 

Steve Archer

3:14 PM

REPS was lovely but I have to say the demographics would suggest it isn't going to be around for too many more years.

 

Laura Leff

3:15 PM

That's unfortunate.  I was only there once, and it was a number of years ago.

Did they do any radio recreations?

 

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Laura Leff

3:15 PM

Speak to us, Judy!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:15 PM

Thanks, Kathy. We worked our butts off for years--our president convinced the legislature that we could get by on half the money of comparable schools!

 

R. Hookie

3:15 PM

Hi again Judy!

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:15 PM

ah HA, Laura. My good friend in LA attended the most recent gathering and met Beverly Washburn there and was very impressed with her kindness

 

Laura Leff

3:15 PM

There ya go.

She's a doll.

 

Steve Archer

3:16 PM

Yes - several, all very good.  No Jack Benny.  I'm sorry that I couldn't attend on Friday, they did an OUR MISS BROOKS with Gloria McMillan with her grandkids playing Walter Denton and Stretch Snodgrass which would have been fun.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:16 PM

I mean my non-radio-fan friend attended SPERDVAC, she says I ought to go when the book gets out....

 

Laura Leff

3:17 PM

Very much agreed.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:17 PM

Oh, the Atlanta Radio Theatre Company talked to me earlier today about producing another one of my scripts. We're about to produce my adaptation of TREASURE ISLAND (I'm to be Dr. Livesy), and they want to do my affectionate parody of THE LONE RANGER for a live audience if they can find the right venue.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:17 PM

so Laura, have you assembled Benny fans together in the last few years?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:17 PM

Kathy, let her tell you about Benny conventions....

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:17 PM

oh wow Brad, I am so sorry I don't live in Atlanta any more, would love to hear you!

 

Laura Leff

3:17 PM

No...last time that we did anything big was 2003.  It's a big job.

Brad - Ha...

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:18 PM

oh you bet, my husband gets involved in gatherings of old Volvo collectors (both ancient cars and aged owners)

 

Brad from Georgia

3:18 PM

Kathy, the TREASURE ISLAND will...eventually...be available on Audible.com. We're just into rehearsal, and will record it next month.

 

Laura Leff

3:19 PM

Well, let's say this (and I think some of you have heard this story previously).  My ex-husband and I agreed that if anyone at the convention asked, "When's the next one?" we would say, "We'll have the next one when you agree to pay for either a divorce or a funeral."

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:19 PM

there's a group here in Austin, the Penfold Theater, did a fine version of "Miracle on 34th street" as a radio play for their Christmas show

well, thank goodness for virtual gatherings!! hahaha

 

Brad from Georgia

3:19 PM

I once stayed in a bed-and-breakfast in Marshall, Michigan that happened to be hosting a Rolls-Royce fanciers' group. The parking lot was worth more than every house my family has ever owned all put together.

 

Laura Leff

3:19 PM

Happily now, I've already paid for the divorce.  

And come to think of it...it would probably be a lot easier to pull together a convention without him around being nasty behind the scenes.

Howevah...

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:20 PM

Rolls Royce owners are a crazy breed of people, indeed!  Volvos are cheap (sadly, as are their owners)

 

Laura Leff

3:21 PM

I think back on so many of the people we had on the panels, and they're dead.

And, of course, Eddie Carroll is dead.

So it would be very hard to pull together a weekend of activities centered around just Jack.

Of course, I'm open to suggestions if anyone has ideas.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:22 PM

well, you never know what the future can hold.

 

Laura Leff

3:22 PM

I'd have to time it so that I can do it between contracts.

 

Steve Archer

3:23 PM

Well, perhaps there can be a mini-event associated with something else sometime.  Like a dinner if there's ever something like another DVD release, that kind of thing.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:23 PM

good luck on that, Brad. At least you'll be 5 pounds thinner when they are done : )

 

Laura Leff

3:23 PM

When I did it the first time, my company was in decline and laying off people, so I didn't have much to do and could handle doing a lot during the day.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:23 PM

What we need is an educational institution that could put together a conference on radio humor, focusing on Jack. Those guys can make anything dull.

 

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Laura Leff

3:23 PM

Yes, I have done some of those when I've travelled for work.

Hm.  I do have a pretty good friend at Stanford....

 

Steve Archer

3:24 PM

If they do REPS again next year and anyone comes up for it I would be happy to organize a Seattle area Benny dinner.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:24 PM

oh you got it. Brad, But indeed I am starting to work with profs who are doing radio history, and comedy history, so let's see

 

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Laura Leff

3:24 PM

There ya go.  Maybe we can organize something around the release of the book.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:24 PM

woo hoo, indeed. now there is something to look forward to : )

 

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Laura Leff

3:24 PM

So what else for discussion this month?

Judy - Double-click on my name if I can help you with anything.  Your persistence, as always, is impeccable!

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:25 PM

were you able to acquire the Benny scripts from the ebay seller? Were they annotated?

 

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Brad from Georgia

3:25 PM

"....the trope of stinginess played well to a nation accustomed by the Depression to living as cheaply as possible, and Jack Benny exemplified what I shall term for the purposes of this discussion the 'reflexive,' or 'audience aware' treatment of exaggerated thriftiness...."

 

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Steve Archer

3:26 PM

LOL Brad

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:26 PM

hahaha is that the Journal of American History article?

 

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Laura Leff

3:26 PM

Are you copying from the..oh heck...can't remember the author..

 

Brad from Georgia

3:26 PM

Imagine that in a drone, and you've got an academic conference in miniature.

 

Laura Leff

3:26 PM

McFadden article

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:26 PM

yep, why I just love academic conferences, haha

 

Brad from Georgia

3:27 PM

Just remembering sitting in a hotel conference room with my eyes glazed over so much my ears started to frost over, too.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:27 PM

I always cause a big stir by just talking and not reading a paper. This last talk about what young Jack learned from Frank Fay in vaudeville

 

Laura Leff

3:27 PM

Let's see if I can pull something really dry from that article...I haven't been able to finish reading it either...but that's because the author is also insane.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:27 PM

True, Laura.

 

Laura Leff

3:27 PM

Hey, I'd like to hear that talk.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:28 PM

Part of it was the walk, wasn't it, Kathy?

 

Laura Leff

3:28 PM

"America's Boy Friend Who Can't Get a Date": Gender, Race, and the Cultural
Work of the Jack Benny Program,

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:28 PM

oh yeah, Margaret McFadden has an article coming out in the same journal issue as my one about Benny and Conn creating the Jack character in 32-34. Guess who's article will be better? ;  )

 

Brad from Georgia

3:28 PM

Bob Hope took that from Fay, too. But Hope cupped his hands. Jack said he looked like a maitre-d' who was hinting for a tip.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:28 PM

her piece is about Eddie Cantor this time

 

Laura Leff

3:29 PM

Oh no WAY!  She's still on about Jack?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:29 PM

great line, Brad!

no, she's moved on to Cantor

 

Laura Leff

3:29 PM

Oh God

 

Brad from Georgia

3:29 PM

If she knew Eddie like I know Eddie...

 

Laura Leff

3:29 PM

I can't imagine what she's dreamt up about him.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:29 PM

thank the lord hahaha  she never actually published anything else after winning the big academic prize for that article

 

Laura Leff

3:29 PM

An article on Cantor?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:30 PM

The article on Jack, I think.

 

Laura Leff

3:30 PM

Oh please no

I know that Gary Giddins won a big award for his article on Jack that's riddled with factual errors.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:30 PM

Which journal, Kathy? I had a phone call and think that I missed some of this.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:30 PM

there's another academic Scott Balczyerak (sp) who last year published a book claiming that Jack and Rochester were gay, Eddie CAntor was gay, Hope and Crosby were gay, Abbott and Costello, Laurel and Hardy,,,,,you get the drift. His new upcoming book is about early TV comedians, so Martin adn Lewis will be gay...

 

Marc Thorner

3:31 PM

the hell?!?!

 

Laura Leff

3:31 PM

Oh that's McFadden's assertion too.

 

R. Hookie

3:31 PM

Rowen and Martin, too?

 

Marc Thorner

3:31 PM

who are these so called experts?!?!

 

Brad from Georgia

3:31 PM

Well, we KNOW Bert and Ernie are gay. But then they don't have anything below the waist but elbows, so that's all right.

 

Laura Leff

3:31 PM

Cheech and Chong?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:31 PM

Gay.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:31 PM

good old Margaret McFadden and I will be in a little journal called Studies in American Humor. I will post my article when it comes out closer to Fall. I at least get my facts right : )

 

R. Hookie

3:31 PM

Gilligan and Skipper?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:31 PM

Please do! Love to see it.

Gay and gay.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:32 PM

Gomer and the Sargent

 

Brad from Georgia

3:32 PM

Gay.

 

R. Hookie

3:32 PM

Laverne and Shirley?

 

Steve Archer

3:32 PM

Paul Lynde and Agnes Moorehead?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:32 PM

Oddly, though, the consensus is that Liberace was just pretending.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:32 PM

oh and Laverne and Shirley, exactly, lesbian

 

Laura Leff

3:32 PM

"My interpretation of the messages and appeal of the Jack Benny show draws on the work of theorists of mass culture, who had developed ways to analyze the relationships between mass cultural texts and the social and political contexts in which they are produced.  The work of these theorists can help historians approach popular texts as an important source of evidence about American culture."

 

Brad from Georgia

3:32 PM

No, Paul and Agnes were straight and bi.

 

Steve Archer

3:33 PM

;)

 

R. Hookie

3:33 PM

Well, we know Lenny and Squiggy

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:33 PM

arrrggghh Laura, you're killing me, haha

 

Laura Leff

3:33 PM

Stoopnagle and Budd?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:33 PM

Amos n Andy

 

Laura Leff

3:33 PM

Myrt and Marge?

Smith and Dale?

 

R. Hookie

3:34 PM

Lucy and Ethel

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:34 PM

Rin Tin Tin and Timmy

 

Steve Archer

3:34 PM

Sanford and Son?

 

Laura Leff

3:34 PM

Salisbury and Kubelsky?

 

R. Hookie

3:34 PM

No, Timmy had Lassie

 

Brad from Georgia

3:34 PM

Reminds me of when my wife and I went to see "Avenue Q" on Broadway. My puppeteer daughter was amazed we liked it. Why? "Well," she said, "it's, you know, kind of raunchy for you guys. I mean it has puppet sex onstage." I said, "Oh, we weren't bothered. It was only SIMULATED puppet sex, not REAL puppet sex."

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:34 PM

exactly, these "scholars" suggest that any time two people stand together, our subconscious brain puts them into a sexual relationship

gumby and pokey

Lassie and Rin Tin Tin

 

Steve Archer

3:36 PM

Says so much more about the "scholar" than the subject...such a trend in lit crit and social theory.  If I wanted to know about YOU, I'd be your psychotherapist!

 

Laura Leff

3:36 PM

Scarlett and Mammy?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:36 PM

I want to root for stars/celebrities who show no sexual desire at all. Jack's character is oftentimes much more like that.

that's a new book, Laura, published recently I think

 

Brad from Georgia

3:36 PM

My gosh, Kathy, are there still all those papers out about "privilege" and "empowerment"?

 

Laura Leff

3:36 PM

Hayley Mills and Hayley Mills?

 

Brad from Georgia

3:36 PM

Gay and Yag.

 

Laura Leff

3:36 PM

Kathy - What, Scarlett and Mammy?

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:37 PM

more than ever, Brad! come join us, the Society for Cinema and Media Studies will be at the Hilton in downtown Atlanta early next April! I will be there to give a non-crazy paper, just don't know what it is yet, haha

yeah, some new book about Mammy's backstory, gives her a name like "Ruth" and some adventures.....

 

Laura Leff

3:38 PM

*Face in hands*  I can't believe that people are still going for the Jack and Rochester thing.  That's just...crazy talk.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:38 PM

Shoot, yeah! I'll be there--it's a thirty-minute drive. We've moved to Snellville, just east of Stone Mountain.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:38 PM

I lived in Stone Mountain village, miss my old farmhouse.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:39 PM

It was a cold, rainy day in Atlanta. Ruth Mammy, Private Eye, waited in her office for a client to walk in....

 

Laura Leff

3:39 PM

Kathy - Fan fic.  Often good for amusement.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:39 PM

Stone Mountain Village is charming.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:39 PM

the radio historians at this conference are actually the most sane people at this conference. Hooray!

 

Laura Leff

3:39 PM

"Gee, Miss Scahlett..youse look awful pretty in that dress..."

Kathy - Who else will be there?

 

Steve Archer

3:39 PM

Belles gone Wild

 

Brad from Georgia

3:39 PM

"Thanks, Mammy, but I got a guy I need tailed..."

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:39 PM

Stone Mountain was also filled with gun shots, I couldn't go out in my own backyard, even during the middle of the day, sigh

 

Laura Leff

3:40 PM

Steve - LOL

Stone Mountain...Juarez, Mexico.  Same thing.

 

R. Hookie

3:40 PM

I like the Carol Burnett version

 

Brad from Georgia

3:40 PM

The only time it bothers us (five miles away) is during the laser shows. Our dog hates the sound of fireworks.

I'm still teaching part-time for UNG. I'll see if I can get educator's rates...

 

Laura Leff

3:41 PM

"A useful starting point for historians is Fredric Jameson's theory that mass cultural texts perform the ideological work of legitimtating the social status quo (or some new order) by representing social and political tensions and anxieties..."

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:42 PM

Oh gee Laura, probably Michele HIlmes, whose book Radio Voices is the best academic thing out there. She has just retired from U Wisconsin. Other friends of mine who do great stuff on the history of ad agencies who actually ran radio and TV (Cynthia Meyers, whose book And Now for a Word from our Sponsor is also terrific). Young guy working on Norman Corwin. Another great woman who works on comedy radio daytime programs for female audiences

 

Laura Leff

3:42 PM

Oh hey, I should connect your person on ad agencies to my writing partner, Marty.  He's a walking encyclopedia on advertising.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:42 PM

eeeeek, I need a silver stake to put through the heart of F Jameson!

 

Marc Thorner

3:42 PM

a book on Norman Corwin?!?! I'd buy that!!

 

Laura Leff

3:43 PM

Seems like a lot of people have tried to do stuff on Corwin, but I don't think I've seen anything come to fruition.

 

Brad from Georgia

3:43 PM

I would too. But Miss Barbara just called down to say that dinner is ready, so I

will bid yall a fond farewell.

 

R. Hookie

3:43 PM

Good night Brad!

 

Laura Leff

3:43 PM

OK, this has been a good chat again.  Thank you folks!

 

Steve Archer

3:43 PM

Bye Brad!

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:43 PM

I'll post a couple of good academic radio books to the facebook page sometime soon

 

Laura Leff

3:43 PM

Should we call it good for this month, or do you want to keep going?

 

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Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:44 PM

sure thing, Brad, let's get together!

 

Steve Archer

3:44 PM

Is the plan to keep the chat at this time or is this an experiment for a while?

 

Laura Leff

3:44 PM

OK folks...thanks again for stopping and making this a really good and fun discussion.

 

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Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:45 PM

well Laura, I still have three weeks of classes to teach (sigh). But in my comedy course we are looking at internet humor. I will make a Jack Benny meme to show the class

 

Laura Leff

3:45 PM

Steve - I'm open to input.  I keep thinking about doing a poll on it, but haven't done it yet.

We've had a number of really good chats at this time, so I'm inclined to keep it here, but am open to input.

 

Steve Archer

3:45 PM

I actually prefer the later time, but want to do what's best for the group.

 

R. Hookie

3:45 PM

Alternate times month to month

 

Laura Leff

3:45 PM

Then no one will know when to show up.   :)

 

Steve Archer

3:46 PM

Exactly!

 

R. Hookie

3:46 PM

Didn't think of that...

Bad idea

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:46 PM

hi Laura, sure I am still here

 

Laura Leff

3:46 PM

Oh man, I don't even want to think of fielding the E-mail complaints on that one...

 

Steve Archer

3:46 PM

Just on the west coast it's kind of in the middle of the day and hard to make if you've got anything going on.

 

Kathy Fuller-Seeley

3:46 PM

then like Jack we could do a second broadcast, Laura has nothing else to do  : )

 

Steve Archer

3:47 PM

But again, just a data point of one here. If folks like this time I will do my best to make it.

 

Laura Leff

3:47 PM

Yeah, I understand since I'm in the same time zone.  On the flip side, I couldn't put anything in the evening when it was later.

I should do that poll.  I keep thinking about it.

Well hey, good stuff folks.  Thanks again, and hope to see you next month!

 

Steve Archer

3:47 PM

Well, maybe keep this time for a few months and then revisit the question?

What's the show for next month!!?? :)

 

Laura Leff

3:47 PM

I'm open to that.

I was going to take Brad's request of one of the Allen send-ups.

 

Steve Archer

3:48 PM

Super, that sounds great.

 

Laura Leff

3:48 PM

OK, have a good month, folks!

 

R. Hookie

3:48 PM

OK, later folks!

 

Steve Archer

3:48 PM

Night all