IJBFC Chat - Febuary 15, 2015

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Phil Curry 2:36 PM
Do you watch Antenna TV, they really scaled back the Jack Benny TV show, only one day a week now from 7
R. Hookie 2:36 PM
I don't get Antenna TV here, but that's too bad to hear
Phil Curry 2:37 PM
THey sure seem to play the same episodes over and over. Same with Burns and Allen
Burns and Allen are still on weeknights, so that's good
R. Hookie 2:37 PM
They must have limited episodes or only public domain
Phil Curry 2:38 PM
I mainly watch Antenna TV, MeTV and Retro TV to watch the old shows. And Cozi TV
Retro is good, they run Ozzie and Harriet
R. Hookie 2:38 PM
Cozi has Here's Lucy now
Phil Curry 2:39 PM
Yes, I think it's the public domain and licensing issue with Jack's show
R. Hookie 2:39 PM
Jack's been on that show
Phil Curry 2:39 PM
He was on a Make Room For Daddy episode a couple of months ago
R. Hookie 2:40 PM
I think Jack has been on all of Lucy's shows, except I Love Lucy, I think
Phil Curry 2:40 PM
I remeber the Lucy Show where she got Jack's account at the bank
R. Hookie 2:41 PM
And built a new vault
Phil Curry 2:41 PM
Yes
R. Hookie 2:41 PM
with quicksand
Phil Curry 2:41 PM
I think there were Indians down there too
R. Hookie 2:41 PM
the indians wanted overtime pay
Phil Curry 2:42 PM
I have it on a Lucy Show DVD set I have, I need to re-watch it
R. Hookie 2:42 PM
and Jack said he was their agent
That's a good show
Phil Curry 2:43 PM
She had a lot of clout and could get good guests
R. Hookie 2:44 PM
And Desilu owned a lot of TV shows in production at the time
Phil Curry 2:44 PM
Desi didn't have much of an on camera carreer after they divorced. Unlike George after Gracie passed
Yes, Desilu bought RKO
R. Hookie 2:45 PM
Yes, he just kind of sat back and maybe turned up once in a while
Phil Curry 2:46 PM
They  did Star Trek, that is a big franchise now
Phil Curry 2:47 PM
Well, now that my acct is set up, hopefully I won't have issues next time.
R. Hookie 2:47 PM
I think Mary Tyler Moore's production company moved into the old Desilu buildings, I think.
Hi Kathy
Phil Curry 2:49 PM
Not sure, I think it was Hollywood @ Gower. They took down the antenna off the globe that was the RKO logo on the building but you could still see the globe on the building
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:49 PM
well howdy, yeah it took a long time to get in.
R. Hookie 2:49 PM
I just emailed Laura.
Phil Curry 2:49 PM
It took me 30 minutes Kathy
R. Hookie 2:50 PM
I'll see if I can get her back
Phil Curry 2:50 PM
I had to switch browsers to get on
R. Hookie 2:51 PM
Yes, you need to register now, too
I think the new time and the extra hassle is throwing some people off
Laura Leff 2:52 PM
hey folks
R. Hookie 2:52 PM
Hi Laura, again
Phil Curry 2:52 PM
Hey
Laura Leff 2:52 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Hookie!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:52 PM
well sorry, I was catching up on what you all were talking about.
R. Hookie 2:52 PM
You are very welcome
We switched to Desilu, somehow
Laura Leff 2:53 PM
Extra hassle, but no Halloween backgrounds or Java exceptions.  
:)
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:53 PM
say, a Benny TV question -- about how many TV episodes are NOT in circulation today? is it most of the ones before 1955?
Laura Leff 2:53 PM
That's OK...Jack filmed at Desilu.
Phil Curry 2:53 PM
about Jack buing on the lucy show getting his account
Laura Leff 2:53 PM
Kathy - I'd have to sit down and count them.  I originally selected 64 candidates for the Shout Factory list that were not in circulation.
R. Hookie 2:54 PM
His audience shows were at Television City, I think
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:54 PM
but Jack never produced his TV shows through DesiLu, eh? guess he should have
Laura Leff 2:54 PM
Yes, or NBC.  Basically films with a studio audience were done at the network studios.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:54 PM
wow, 64 is a lot, considering he was only on twice a month
Laura Leff 2:54 PM
No...they were J&M Productions.  Just filmed some of them at Desilu.
Laura Leff 2:54 PM
Also Revue/MCA/Universal City and a few at McCadden
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:55 PM
I found an article from the early 1960s with Jack complaining about the network forced him to layer in laugh tracks to his shows
Laura Leff 2:55 PM
Kathy - Remember he went weekly in 1960.  And 12/25/64 wasn't in circulation until we put it in the Shout set.
R. Hookie 2:55 PM
I think his CBS stage is the same Carol Burnett and Price is Right use
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:56 PM
huh, so then its just random episodes that we don't have? you can tell I don't know the TV ones anywhere like radio ones
Laura Leff 2:56 PM
Yes...there are even some shows where they have a disclaimer about the "audience reaction being electronically enhanced" for a few shows after the quiz show scandals.
R. Hookie 2:56 PM
"Sweetening"
Laura Leff 2:56 PM
Hookie - That's right.  Jack filmed on a could different stages, but the Burnett/Price is Right stage (33, I think) was a frequent one.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:56 PM
you are so smart, Laura, that is the very line he objected to, I believe., I will post it
Laura Leff 2:56 PM
Kathy - You should get Volume 3.  
:)
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:57 PM
Oh I have it, its so fat : )  and I am grateful for it
Laura Leff 2:57 PM
Kathy -
:)
  Thanks.  Jack was one of the comedians who spearheaded them removing that disclaimer.
Laura Leff 2:57 PM
Yes, someone suggested that we offer it with a hernia truss.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:57 PM
I'ev just been staying away from the TV episodes until I get the &%$# radio book finished.  haha  maybe it could come with wheels!
Laura Leff 2:58 PM
The set certainly could!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 2:58 PM
Last year I published a film history book that weighs SEVEN pounds and the hardback covers fall off ....
just mentioning the perils of big fat books, haha
Laura Leff 2:59 PM
Yeah...I can't remember how much Vol. 3 weighs, but I should know since I ship them.
Laura Leff 2:59 PM
Ah...it's about 4 pounds, but it's softcover.
Laura Leff 2:59 PM
So what thoughts on the show for tonight?
Phil Curry 3:00 PM
Didn't get a chance to listen ahead of time
Laura Leff 3:00 PM
Well, I moved it to discussion for next month when I thought we were abandoning this month.  Maybe I'll leave it there.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:00 PM
I have the same problem when my students don't do the assigned reading... mea culpa
Phil Curry 3:00 PM
WHich show was it
Laura Leff 3:01 PM
Ha ha!
Laura Leff 3:01 PM
Doc Benny's Minstrels from 1936
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:01 PM
oh that IS a good one! Let's plug it for a few days before the next chat, if you like
R. Hookie 3:01 PM
I'll need to listen again.
I missed a few gags
Phil Curry 3:02 PM
I haven't listened to the really old ones like when Canada Dry sponsored. My copies are really tinny and hard to listen too for too long.
Laura Leff 3:02 PM
OK, will do.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:02 PM
we have a large archival collection on the history of minstrel shows here at UT. Undergrads find the whole idea of a minstrel show "shocking" and I have to tell them how it was "old fashioned" entertainment
Laura Leff 3:02 PM
There aren't many Canada Dry episodes anyway.  This is into the Jell-O years.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:03 PM
I will mention then that it was "ballsy" for Harry Conn and Mary to do a version of Uncle Tom's Cabin for Canada Dry from New Orleans! Theatrical troupes were tossed out of Dixie, back in the day, for daring to play it
Laura Leff 3:04 PM
You know, it's kind of unfortunate that some entertainment, like Charlie Chan et al are so vilified nowadays that people can't even look at them.
Laura Leff 3:05 PM
I admit that there are some Rochester lines that make me cringe, but you've got to consider what was acceptable at that time.
Laura Leff 3:05 PM
Kathy - You know, I hadn't put that together.  Good point!
R. Hookie 3:06 PM
Everyone is too quick to avoid anything fearing it offensive
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:06 PM
yeah, Amos and Andy in the 1930s and 1940s was very well-written comedy.  I wonder what our grandchildren will find offensive from today. Hopefully Married with Children, haha and shows like that
Phil Curry 3:06 PM
Same in WWII movies and even McHales Navy referring to the Nips
Laura Leff 3:06 PM
In the 1920s it was also fantastic!
Laura Leff 3:06 PM
Or Speedy Gonzalez
R. Hookie 3:07 PM
Mel's voice
just a faster Si-Cy thing
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:08 PM
yeah, I am wondering about talking about si-sigh-so-sue........I have a colleague who teaches a course on racial prejudice adn she shows the clip of Rochester dancing with a broom and the Sportsmen as an example of how terrible American TV used to be about race. She doesn't want to hear from me that his character WAS a housekeeper adn that's why he had the broom
Laura Leff 3:08 PM
Today it would be offensive if a non-African American said the n-word.  But I wonder if anyone will ever find the African-American use of the term to be offensive.
Laura Leff 3:08 PM
What does she want?  Him dancing with one of the Sportsmen?
Laura Leff 3:08 PM
And I've heard people call the Si-sy routine racist.
R. Hookie 3:09 PM
It was just funny
Phil Curry 3:09 PM
Si
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:09 PM
oh now THAT would be au courant and cool. Academics love all the swish and gay jokes as very subversive
Laura Leff 3:09 PM
I love the movie "The Celluloid Closet."
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:10 PM
that is a great documentary
Laura Leff 3:10 PM
Now the assertions that Rochester and Jack were sleeping together are way out in left field--I don't think they're even close to the ballpark.  
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:10 PM
the last "safe" group to make fun of is hillbillies. I wish "Jack's friend from Calabasas" was funnier
Phil Curry 3:10 PM
What about Amos n ANdy
Laura Leff 3:11 PM
Fortunately that seems to originate with just one academic paper that I haven't had the stomach to finish reading.
Laura Leff 3:11 PM
Yeah, I'm sad that Sam Hearn couldn't make more out of that character.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:11 PM
exactly, I know an academic published a book last year where he asserted that ANY time two men are seen together (this book was about 1930s-40s comedy) they are gay. Hope and Crosby too
R. Hookie 3:12 PM
That's ridiculous
Laura Leff 3:12 PM
Geez
R. Hookie 3:13 PM
so, Abbott and Costello?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:13 PM
you got it!   The only twig of respect I give'em is that audiences/listeners/viewers can make anything they want to out of what they see. If you WANT characters to be gay or racist or whatever, no author can stop the audience from thinking so
Laura Leff 3:13 PM
Stoopnagle and Budd?
Laura Leff 3:13 PM
And what of the Ritz Brothers?
Phil Curry 3:13 PM
Martin and Lowis
Laura Leff 3:13 PM
They've been reading too many Tijuana Bibles.
Phil Curry 3:13 PM
lewis
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:13 PM
all the Marx Brothers, including Gummo!
R. Hookie 3:14 PM
Rowan and Martin?
Phil Curry 3:14 PM
and zeppo
Laura Leff 3:14 PM
Van and Schenk
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:14 PM
I think this phase of "scholarship" will be over in a while, luckily
Laura Leff 3:14 PM
And now we know why the Happiness Boys were so happy.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:14 PM
how do you do, how do you do, wasn't that the Happiness Boys line?
Laura Leff 3:14 PM
There are a few things in Celluloid Closet that I think are reading something in that's not there, but not many.
Laura Leff 3:14 PM
How do you do everybody how do you
Laura Leff 3:14 PM
Gee it's great to say hello to all of you
Laura Leff 3:15 PM
I'm Billy Jones!  I'm Ernie Hare!
R. Hookie 3:15 PM
What's their thoughts on Laverne and Shirley?
Laura Leff 3:15 PM
We're the Interwoven Pair!
Laura Leff 3:15 PM
How do you doodle-doodle-doodle-doodle-doo.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:15 PM
haha such a memory you have! you'll have me singing the Pepsi jingle
and you got it, any two women together are considered an opportunity for lesbianism.
Laura Leff 3:16 PM
Well, I've loved Jones and Hare for a long time, and collected their records.
R. Hookie 3:16 PM
Lenny and Squiggy
Laura Leff 3:16 PM
And that's one that I went, "I dunno about that" in Celluloid Closet...the excerpt from Rebecca.
Laura Leff 3:16 PM
Moran and Mack
Laura Leff 3:16 PM
Goldie, Fields, and Glide
R. Hookie 3:17 PM
Two Bushels and a Peck
Laura Leff 3:17 PM
Good one
3:17 PM
Phil Curry left the room.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:17 PM
yeah, what gets me is that these scholars are CERTAIN that sex is the top topic on everyone's minds , 24 x 7. Perhaps for those writers
(haha)
but I think other folks might think differently
Laura Leff 3:17 PM
Oops...did we offend Phil...
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:18 PM
or he might have been burped out, ooops I will hope not.
R. Hookie 3:18 PM
I think he went to see The New Look
Laura Leff 3:18 PM
Well said, Kathy.  It's why I've got an inherent cynicism about any kind of artistic criticism.
Laura Leff 3:18 PM
You can read just about anything into anything, and make an argument for it.  
R. Hookie 3:19 PM
or was that from Benny's Bag?
Laura Leff 3:19 PM
I was recently discussing motivic analysis with a music teacher/lecturer, when he'd given a lecture noting an interval of a descending 4th as a motive, and I questioned it, "When is a descending fourth just a descending fourth and not a motive?"
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:19 PM
that is the interesting part of studying audiences (or reception) -- there are so many different meanings that can be made. I am not a fan of the scholars who are sure that their's is the only or even best analysis of a thing's meaning
Laura Leff 3:20 PM
I'm pretty sure it's New Look.
Laura Leff 3:20 PM
Yeah...it's one person's opinion.
Laura Leff 3:20 PM
Now that opinion may be held by a lot of other people, but that doesn't make it right.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:20 PM
New Look is the one with the fabulous "Graduate" parody?  "The Graduate" gets screened in over half a dozen courses here at UT, and my colleagues have never seen Jack do it up the right way
Laura Leff 3:21 PM
Exhibit A:  Nazi Germany.
Laura Leff 3:21 PM
Oo...let me check.
R. Hookie 3:21 PM
I think that is from Benny's Bag
Laura Leff 3:21 PM
No, that's Jack Benny's Bag
Laura Leff 3:21 PM
Echo
R. Hookie 3:22 PM
sorry Laura
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:22 PM
ah HA, I always get them mixed up  oops
Laura Leff 3:22 PM
Not at all!  
:)
Laura Leff 3:22 PM
Yeah, New Look was in limited circulation, but I remember sitting in CBS watching the transfer of Benny's Bag from the master and oohing and ahhing at the condition.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:23 PM
lucky you! What are the best ones NOT in circulation?
Laura Leff 3:23 PM
And I've got a script from New Look showing some reworking of a few lines, including the line Jack delivers when he's standing in Peck's residence surrounded by towering servants.
Laura Leff 3:23 PM
Shows or specials?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:24 PM
either?  and what does Jack say about those extremely tall people?
R. Hookie 3:24 PM
Yeah, all of the special, or hour-shows, were great. (A special is when coffee goes from 89 cents to 75.)
Laura Leff 3:24 PM
Good memory on you too, Hookie!
R. Hookie 3:24 PM
Well, I watched the hell out of it.
Laura Leff 3:24 PM
Oh, I can probably come up with shows more easily because I remember my heart bleeding over losing some from the Shout set for stupid reasons.
Laura Leff 3:25 PM
My very favorite episode is the 60-piece orchestra skit.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:25 PM
do you think response has been good enough to get Shout volume 2?
Laura Leff 3:25 PM
I do have a copy of it that was back doored to me, and I showed it to Stuart Canin and his wife.
Laura Leff 3:25 PM
They went nuts for it.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:25 PM
that is so cool!
Laura Leff 3:26 PM
The TV version of Jekyll and Hyde is fascinating to watch...it's SO different, and really interesting how they shot the whole transformation, especially considering the limitations of the media then.
Laura Leff 3:27 PM
There's an episode that has a ton of famous ballplayers...the name of skit is escapting me, but it's a parody of "The Caine Mutiny."
Laura Leff 3:27 PM
Hm...let me look at my original picks for Shout.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:27 PM
did you get to see these rarities at one of the archives like UCLA or Wyoming? or in CBS's version of Benny's vault?
Laura Leff 3:27 PM
I would have said the Colman episode, but we got that into the set.
Laura Leff 3:28 PM
I saw them mostly at UCLA, and a few at the Paley center.
Laura Leff 3:29 PM
Oh, and either time they did the Mikado.
Laura Leff 3:29 PM
Helen Hayes training Jack in acting is a stitch
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:30 PM
here's hoping for Volume 2, then!  Oh, Fred Allen loved parodying the Mikado so much, that would be fun!
Laura Leff 3:30 PM
The Giant Mutiny...there's the name of the script.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:30 PM
did you happen to get the disk I sent of those 1932-33-34 radio scripts? Put it in w the blanks I sent you
Laura Leff 3:30 PM
And I wish we could get the controversial Jack Webb Charlie Chan episode out...but people would find it offensive.
Laura Leff 3:31 PM
Ah, yes I did!  My apologies...it's sitting on the desk here next to me waiting for me to copy the first show for you.  I'll do that tonight.
R. Hookie 3:31 PM
Jack Webb...
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:31 PM
sounds like there are some goodies!  oh, no hurry on the TV show, I won't get back to that chapter before late April
Laura Leff 3:31 PM
You'll be happy to know that it was sitting directly beneath the Harry Conn script and Buck Benny budget.
Laura Leff 3:32 PM
OK, thanks.  Still want to get it back to you in a timely fashion!
Laura Leff 3:32 PM
So what else for discussion this month?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:32 PM
in excellent company then!  OH, I found a newspaper citation to Conn being a doorman at a Broadway show in the 50s, will post it to the page, just fyi
Laura Leff 3:33 PM
Great find!
3:33 PM
Chris D joined the room.
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R. Hookie 3:33 PM
It turned into more than I though at first
Laura Leff 3:33 PM
I wonder if his ambitious wife followed him all the way down too.
Laura Leff 3:33 PM
Hi Chris!
Chris D 3:33 PM
Howdy
R. Hookie 3:33 PM
'thought
3:33 PM
Marc Thorner joined the room.
Laura Leff 3:33 PM
I can just imagine Harry Conn and his wife arguing
R. Hookie 3:34 PM
lousy typing... hi Chris
Laura Leff 3:34 PM
Well, hi Marc!
R. Hookie 3:34 PM
Hi Marc
Laura Leff 3:34 PM
Gee, here come a bunch of new folks!
Marc Thorner 3:34 PM
Hey
finally got this to work!!!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:34 PM
haha that wife of Harry's was a pill. I think I saw in Variety that they got divorced. The newspaper article says Conn claims ill health is why he'd been out of the spotlight
R. Hookie 3:34 PM
Yes, but.... I was here first.
Laura Leff 3:34 PM
Good stuff!
Laura Leff 3:35 PM
Kathy - That makes a lot of sense.  I can't imagine two people with that level of audacity and ego being a happy marriage.
Laura Leff 3:35 PM
I'll vouch for Hookie...he was here before I was!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:35 PM
yeah, Lady MacBeth Conn, haha
Laura Leff 3:35 PM
Oh well said!
Laura Leff 3:35 PM
Very well said.
Laura Leff 3:36 PM
So Chris and Marc, I'm deferring discussion on the radio episode until next month.  What is on your mind Benny-wise?
Chris D 3:37 PM
Just thought I would pop in and see whats about.  Im a long time OTR listener, mostly via podcasts..
Laura Leff 3:37 PM
Although this is kind of in reference to the show for tonight, it's interesting to hear Morrow and Beloin in their early stages, which are not THAT far removed from Conn's writing.
Chris D 3:37 PM
though have been  a Jack Benny follower for years
R. Hookie 3:37 PM
This is where to be then
Laura Leff 3:37 PM
So your interest is mostly in the radio episodes?
Laura Leff 3:38 PM
That seems to be where most people do focus their attention, because of availability and quantity.
Laura Leff 3:38 PM
And a lot of people do think it's his best work.
Chris D 3:38 PM
Almost every year my wife and I drive over to waukegan for his birthday and visit his statue.
Laura Leff 3:38 PM
Aha!  Were you there at the unveiling?
Chris D 3:38 PM
No, we found out about it later.
Laura Leff 3:39 PM
And did they do anything at the statue this year?  They used to have a cake and all, and I know they put a plaque at the one house of his that's still standing this year.
Chris D 3:39 PM
This year we drive up on the 15th for the last of them Tim Newell Mr.Benny shows there.
Laura Leff 3:39 PM
How was that?
Chris D 3:40 PM
Was nicely done.  He channeled Benny well.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:40 PM
wow, I am envious, have never been to Waukegan
Chris D 3:40 PM
Well Im in Chicago, co its only like 45 mins away.
Laura Leff 3:40 PM
I had been sent an article on him some years ago, where he claimed that he's never out of character as Benny--that he's Jack Benny 24 hours a day.
Laura Leff 3:40 PM
Which I found more than a little scary.
Chris D 3:41 PM
Cant say. Didnt see him but in the 2 hour show.
Laura Leff 3:41 PM
And he's SUPPOSED to be Jack during that time!
R. Hookie 3:41 PM
I wonder if he tips...
Laura Leff 3:41 PM
Phil Harris does
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:42 PM
that's tipples
R. Hookie 3:42 PM
rimshot
Laura Leff 3:42 PM
Ohhhhhhhh...TIPPLES!
Chris D 3:42 PM
It was nice the show had a section on Mel Blank in it. I think Mell does not get enough credit sometimes.
Laura Leff 3:42 PM
Oooo what she said...
Laura Leff 3:42 PM
Sorry, just had an attack of Dennis Day.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:42 PM
so how many Benny statues are there? I have seen one in Rancho Cucamonga at the baseball park....
Laura Leff 3:42 PM
I think he does within devotees of the show, but maybe not in the casual Benny listener.
Laura Leff 3:43 PM
Hm...thinking
Laura Leff 3:43 PM
There's one at the Academy in LA I think
Laura Leff 3:43 PM
You're not counting ESCO statues, are you?  
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:43 PM
haha nor the Oscarine
Laura Leff 3:44 PM
OK, then I think there are three.
Chris D 3:44 PM
And yes, this year they had put the little plaque on the house Benny grew up in.  really not much to look at but still recognition.
Laura Leff 3:44 PM
Anaheim, Azusa, and Cucamonga.
R. Hookie 3:44 PM
I wonder what ever happened to the Bennybot?
Laura Leff 3:44 PM
Yeah, we'll take what we can get!
Laura Leff 3:45 PM
Oh man, what I wouldn't give to find the Bennybot in a prop archive...
Chris D 3:45 PM
We had been past the house many times in previous years.  And the park dedicated to  Ray Bradbury
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:45 PM
there ought to be one at Hillside, since they have a Jolson on his knees singing Mammy
Laura Leff 3:45 PM
Have you ever been to the cemetery?
Chris D 3:45 PM
?
R. Hookie 3:45 PM
I got a picture of Johnny Carson's former home in Norfolk, NE
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:45 PM
I just went there in August, liberated a couple clivia plant seeds from outside Jack's mausoleum
Laura Leff 3:46 PM
I had thought about putting one of my Esco statues there, but figured it was too subject to theft.  The Jolson one was stolen once, you know.
Laura Leff 3:46 PM
Chris - Am Echod cemetery where Jack's parents, sister, and several relatives are.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:46 PM
no, who cares enough about Jolie to steal his statue, wow
Laura Leff 3:46 PM
Hookie - What does it look like?
Laura Leff 3:46 PM
Kathy - People who wanted to melt it down for the bronze.
Laura Leff 3:47 PM
So I've done the main flower arrangements there.  Flowers aren't traditional in Jewish mourning, but there are a lot of them at Hillside.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:47 PM
I've mentioned that the U Nebraska library has put up online Johnny's undergraduate honors thesis about Jack Benny? Carson recorded it
R. Hookie 3:47 PM
well, I have it in my Facebook pictures.
Laura Leff 3:47 PM
Oh OK...I'll have to look at it.  Thanks!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:47 PM
too bad they weren't looking for ham!
Laura Leff 3:48 PM
Kathy - My brain is telling me that I've heard it.  Maybe it's a later radio tribute Carson did that I've heard.
R. Hookie 3:48 PM
I'll try to share it on the Benny page, with your permission?
Marc Thorner 3:48 PM
tradition is to place a small stone of the tombstone
Laura Leff 3:48 PM
Kathy - Yeah.  Although Jolie's still one of my favorite singers.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:48 PM
I put down some pennies : )
Laura Leff 3:48 PM
Marc - Correct.  Although it seems a lot of people have amended that to putting a penny at Jack's grave.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:48 PM
I admit to crying at Sonny Boy
Laura Leff 3:48 PM
Well, there ya go.
Marc Thorner 3:49 PM
Pennies? that's funny!!
Laura Leff 3:49 PM
Pennies for Benny!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:49 PM
I'll post the link to the Nebraska site, its pretty good
Laura Leff 3:49 PM
I usually put 50 cents there if I have it.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:49 PM
Winston Churchill will be singing your praises, Laura
Chris D 3:50 PM
(Wife trying to get in to chat now.)
Laura Leff 3:50 PM
Mentally hearing Frankie Fontaine talking about it
Laura Leff 3:50 PM
Kathy - And Ronald Colman.  Or at least Dennis Day doing Ronald Colman.
Laura Leff 3:50 PM
Thank you, Benita.
Laura Leff 3:50 PM
You know, THERE'S another thing that people sometimes say is offensive.  John L.C. Silvoney.
Chris D 3:51 PM
SOme people are also clueless
;)
Laura Leff 3:51 PM
People seem to have all kinds of interpretations and spins on what his "malady" was...drunkenness, cerebral palsy, other mental illness.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:51 PM
because we can't make fun of the mentally impaired....all we have left is hillbillies and rednecks
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Laura Leff 3:51 PM
Hi Pam!
Chris D 3:51 PM
cheezit.. the wife!
R. Hookie 3:51 PM
Hi Pam
Laura Leff 3:52 PM
Yes, his speech sounds just like friends of mine who had cerebral palsy.  But I don't think anyone was consciously trying to make fun of them.  It's just a funny sound!
Laura Leff 3:52 PM
I think Fontaine said there was a guy he once knew who sounded like that, so he imitated him.
R. Hookie 3:53 PM
I shared the picture on the fan club page.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:53 PM
it looks better when the character is a hillbilly lion in WB cartoons
Laura Leff 3:53 PM
Other people say he's drunk, and that it's offensive to make jokes about alcoholics.
Laura Leff 3:53 PM
Thanks, Hookie!
Laura Leff 3:53 PM
Kelly - I thought that was Pete Puma
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:53 PM
thank goodness that Jack got around that, that we can make fun of him with abandon...
yes Pete Puma, I think
R. Hookie 3:54 PM
It's from inside a car, as the street it's on is also US Highway 81.
Laura Leff 3:54 PM
Yeah, why isn't it offensive to make fun of cheap people?  Or people who play an instrument badly?
Laura Leff 3:54 PM
Or people who wear toupees?
Chris D 3:54 PM
Jack made it ok cause he made fun of himself. he set himself up.
Laura Leff 3:54 PM
Donald Trump jokes abound.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:54 PM
ah, white men, the other last group we can make fun of , esp if they have $$
Laura Leff 3:55 PM
Ah right!
R. Hookie 3:55 PM
Please don't make fun of me...
Laura Leff 3:55 PM
Does that mean you've got money?  
;)
Laura Leff 3:55 PM
Or do you wear a toupee?
R. Hookie 3:55 PM
I'm fragile, like a little flower in the meadow.... well, if that didn't set me up
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:56 PM
I think if he had worn his religious identity on his sleeve like Cantor that it might have been more dicey
(mental image of Flower the Bambi character, hahaha)
R. Hookie 3:56 PM
enough about the toupee
Pam Dunn 3:56 PM
Hi all, sorry, I was just catching up on what I missed
R. Hookie 3:56 PM
Kathy thinks I'm a skunk?
Laura Leff 3:56 PM
Right, we started that discussion last time...people claiming to me that Jack' cheapness and violin playing was a subtle way of expressing his Judaism.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:57 PM
no, a little flower : )
Laura Leff 3:57 PM
Hookie - It's that white stripe down the middle of the toupee that makes the connection.
R. Hookie 3:57 PM
I may have exaggerated
I think that's grey
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:58 PM
exactly, Laura, and an academic told me that she thought Jack folding his arms was Jewish. Whaaaaaa? was my response. The downside to the viewer can make anything they want to out of what they see
Laura Leff 3:58 PM
But once again, I think that's people reading into things what they want to see.
Laura Leff 3:58 PM
There ya go.
Pam Dunn 3:58 PM
To me, the surprising thing is how little is really done in Waukegan to keep his memory alive.
Marc Thorner 3:58 PM
never saw it that way before... I mean Jack's about Jack's performance?!?!
Laura Leff 3:58 PM
I should tell you about trying to donate CDs of all of Jack's radio shows to the Waukegan Public Library.
R. Hookie 3:58 PM
Start a fan club chapter there
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 3:58 PM
well, can they keep ANYTHING alive in Waukegan, or is the town more like Detroit?
Laura Leff 3:59 PM
Hookie - Actually, we had one at the Middle School.  But then the teacher spearheading it went elsewhere.
Chris D 3:59 PM
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Channeling jack.
Laura Leff 3:59 PM
He looks like Drew Carey.
R. Hookie 3:59 PM
Was the teacher fired?
Laura Leff 4:00 PM
I don't think he was fired...he just kind of disappeared and I never heard from him again.
Pam Dunn 4:00 PM
It has potential, but when I think of how Jack promoted Waukegan it is annoying
Laura Leff 4:00 PM
Maybe he was rubbed out.
R. Hookie 4:00 PM
Should have been fired
or rubbed out!
Laura Leff 4:00 PM
Hookie - For running an IJBFC chapter?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:00 PM
sounds subversive to me
R. Hookie 4:00 PM
Sure, what's it pay?
Laura Leff 4:00 PM
Gee...he never did send any money to me....hmmm
Laura Leff 4:01 PM
Maybe he was extorting money from the students.
Laura Leff 4:01 PM
So just quickly, I called the Waukegan Public library a LONG time ago (maybe about the time we unveiled the statue) and offered to give them, no strings attached, all the Benny radio shows in circulation then.
R. Hookie 4:01 PM
Well if that don't burn my biscuits
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:02 PM
I have another little thing to post to the facebook site, when they dedicated the middle school, Jack set up bank accounts for each baby born in Waukegan that day, $39 (plus interest) to be paid out when the babies reached 39!
Laura Leff 4:02 PM
And I got handed from person to person, getting a "Well....I don't know about that...." answer from everyone.
Laura Leff 4:02 PM
Kathy - Ah yes, that's funny how those ended up.
Laura Leff 4:02 PM
Finally, the answer I got was, "Well, I just don't know where we'd put them, so thanks but no thanks."
Laura Leff 4:03 PM
I didn't know that 7 CDs were so space-consuming.
R. Hookie 4:03 PM
their loss
Laura Leff 4:03 PM
So I called my friend with the City, and he got the Mayor to announce that I was donating the shows to the library.
Laura Leff 4:03 PM
Somehow they found a way to make a little room for them then.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:03 PM
oh I am sorry, but not terribly surprised. I was trying to do research in Poughkeepsie, and local kids kept stealing the microfilms and throwing the reels at each other in the streets
Laura Leff 4:03 PM
Or maybe they took them and sold them at the next book sale.  I don't know.
Pam Dunn 4:03 PM
sounds like the birth town of Phil Harris. We had to drive all over to find all the stuff he and Alice had donated and then we couldn't see it cuz it was all locked up
Laura Leff 4:04 PM
Kathy - Ouch!  Tell them to pick their feet instead!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:04 PM
Oh no! I was going to go to Linton someday, too, shucks
Laura Leff 4:04 PM
Pam - Oh down in Southern Indiana?
Laura Leff 4:04 PM
Yeah, I should get to Linton some day.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:04 PM
there ain't much there once you arrive!
Laura Leff 4:05 PM
But some stuff isn't there.  There's a private collector who has some jewels of transcription discs that Alice lent him for transfer, and then she died.
Pam Dunn 4:05 PM
yes, Linton. On the other hand, 30 miles down the road in Vincennes they have a 4 million dollar museum for Red Skelton.
Laura Leff 4:05 PM
Including some lost later Benny radio shows.
Laura Leff 4:05 PM
I think they also have a theatre for him there too, don't they?
Laura Leff 4:06 PM
Because I think a friend of mine and member of the IJBFC did his show there.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:06 PM
so it can happen in big universities too -- I asked to see Benny and John Crosby the radio critic clippings from the New York Herald Tribune Collection, and they eventually told me that I could not see them, because the archive was so short of storage room that there were so many boxes piled up that they could not get to them!
Chris D 4:06 PM
Stuff suposedly in som etown arts center, but the person running it that day could not show up.   so we sat around while we tried to find someone to open it.  Listened to piano music lessons being given on the second floor... never did get in.
Laura Leff 4:06 PM
DAWWW!  *Slapping self in head with both hands*
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:07 PM
the Alice Faye stuff could be fabulous, I am sorry it was a no-go
Laura Leff 4:07 PM
Yeah, I try to make my connections before getting to town so they know I'm coming.
Pam Dunn 4:07 PM
even the sign at the Phil Harris golf course was in desperate need of a fresh coat of paint... that would cost all of 10 bucks.
Laura Leff 4:07 PM
Maybe the club should donate it.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:07 PM
well, not sure anybody in Linton HAS 10 bucks, its pretty shabby territory
Laura Leff 4:08 PM
That's why I'm offering...
Laura Leff 4:08 PM
Which makes you wonder how the play golf.
Laura Leff 4:08 PM
they...not the
R. Hookie 4:08 PM
someone in town surely has a bucket of paint
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:08 PM
Used to have to drive through there with ex and his parents. do not miss those trips : )
Laura Leff 4:08 PM
Speaking as a very happily divorced woman, I can well imagine that.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:09 PM
: )
R. Hookie 4:09 PM
So, I'm single too
Pam Dunn 4:09 PM
after being in the state of the art Skelton Museum and then seeing Linton, well it broke my heart.
Laura Leff 4:09 PM
The Friars Club in LA doesn't even exist any more
Laura Leff 4:09 PM
Georgie Jessel would be disappointed.
Marc Thorner 4:09 PM
really?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:09 PM
I wonder if THEY had any archives, that is a shame
Laura Leff 4:10 PM
Chris/Pam - Have you seen the Waukegan Historical (Hysterical?) Society?
Pam Dunn 4:10 PM
no, we went to the performing arts center .... that was a joke
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:11 PM

Laura, speaking of archives, have you ever been to the library in Sherman Oaks, they have Rudy Vallee's papers and supposedly LOTS of fan mail, couple of people have said I should go there

Laura Leff 4:11 PM

You should see if you can see Jack's vaudeville trunk at the Historical Society.

Pam Dunn 4:11 PM
ok, we'll check it out
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:11 PM
oh neat, that sounds like a find! when did he give it, or who gave it?
Laura Leff 4:11 PM
Kathy - Sherman Oaks or Thousand Oaks
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:11 PM
1000 oops
Laura Leff 4:12 PM
Kathy - I'm not sure when they got it, but it's got Salisbury and Benny painted on it.  It's nice.  They asked me to appraise it for them for insurance purposes once.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:12 PM
very, very cool!
Laura Leff 4:12 PM
I've heard a LOT about the 1000 Oaks library collection, but I've never been there.  Many people have donated papers there.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:12 PM
yeah, I have to get there one of these days
Laura Leff 4:12 PM
I should have photos of it on the IJBFC Web site...
Laura Leff 4:12 PM
*going to look*
Pam Dunn 4:13 PM
They have painted a mural across the street from the Genesee Theater thant includes Jack.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:13 PM
that is really neat, too! I am envious, Pam : )
Laura Leff 4:13 PM
Hm...maybe not.
Laura Leff 4:14 PM
Indeed!  The building that was there burned to the ground some time around the statue unveiling.
Laura Leff 4:14 PM
I haven't seen the mural.
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R. Hookie 4:15 PM
Welcome back Chris
Pam Dunn 4:15 PM
the area around the statue and theater seems to be becoming a little more arty and more of a tourist draw so that is good.
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Laura Leff 4:15 PM
Yes, they've been trying to do that for some time.  Is there anywhere decent to eat down there yet?
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:15 PM
maybe there is hope yet for Waukegan....
Pam Dunn 4:16 PM
nothing really exciting. We try different places looking for good spots.
Laura Leff 4:16 PM
They had an Italian restaurant when we did the statue, which was a Mexican restaurant when I returned.
R. Hookie 4:17 PM
Same owners?
Pam Dunn 4:17 PM
oops, gotta run, have a great night all!
R. Hookie 4:17 PM
Good night Pam'
nice chat
Chris D 4:18 PM
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Chris D 4:18 PM
Sorry for the delay...  computer acting up.
Laura Leff 4:18 PM
Good night, Pam!
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:18 PM
gosh at least its green in Linton! I am sorry about that flaking old paint
Laura Leff 4:18 PM
Oh man...let's send them some white paint and a brush.
Marc Thorner 4:18 PM
yeah really
Laura Leff 4:18 PM
It looks like a cemetery.  
:)
Laura Leff 4:19 PM
*scratching head* Don't know why I can't find photos of that trunk.  Maybe I took them all on film cameras.
Laura Leff 4:19 PM
It has been a while since I've been in Waukegan.
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Suposedly where the phil and Alice stuff is.
Marc Thorner 4:19 PM
in a giant Lego brick?
oh
Laura Leff 4:20 PM
Who knew?
R. Hookie 4:20 PM
That does look like a Lego toy
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:20 PM
shucks, and when they promised that everything was awesome, too  : (
Chris D 4:20 PM
It IS a lego.. part of an exhibit at the place.
Laura Leff 4:21 PM
Lego is apparently more awesome than Phil and Alice.  
:(
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:21 PM
Hey Laura, speaking of Jack's things, is there stuff that Joan is still holding on to, do you think? I mean documents
R. Hookie 4:22 PM
No, I don't think so. Maybe to a 10 year old
Marc Thorner 4:22 PM
just a thought.. Lego Jack Benny play set?
R. Hookie 4:22 PM
Build a Maxwell
Marc Thorner 4:22 PM
The Vault
Laura Leff 4:23 PM
A violin
Laura Leff 4:23 PM
What special pieces would be needed to make it Jack's set?
Laura Leff 4:23 PM
Would Don be a larger character piece than the others?
R. Hookie 4:23 PM
A while back I found a Maxwell for sale a Ebay, claiming it was once Jack's
Laura Leff 4:24 PM
I think EVERY Maxwell wants to claim it was Jack's.
Laura Leff 4:24 PM
Some of them were used for Jack in publicity stunts.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:24 PM
poor Jack was always being offered junk Maxwells to buy, I bet!
Laura Leff 4:24 PM
Like picking him up at an airport.
Laura Leff 4:24 PM
Kathy - I bet you're right.
R. Hookie 4:24 PM
I think I sent you the link, or did I?
Laura Leff 4:25 PM
To the Maxwell on Ebay?
R. Hookie 4:25 PM
If I did it was a few years ago
Laura Leff 4:25 PM
One of the real ones I have actually had the pleasure of sitting in.
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:26 PM
unless it was a mid-1920s model, I bet it was not too comfortable, haha?
Laura Leff 4:26 PM
Hookie - You well may have and it's just not ringing a bell now, because my reaction was probably, "Oh great, another one."  Not saying that about you, just that everyone wants their violin or Maxwell to have Jack in its pedigree.
Laura Leff 4:26 PM
I believe it actually was a mid-1920s model.
Laura Leff 4:26 PM
1924 IIRC
R. Hookie 4:26 PM
You're probably right
Laura Leff 4:26 PM
It was (and I think still is as far as I know) in a private collection in Frankfurt, Indiana.
R. Hookie 4:27 PM
I think I was hoping you could give some authenticity on that listing
Laura Leff 4:27 PM
I define a "real one" as being one used on the actual program/movie or in standard network/studio-issued publicity stills.
Chris D 4:28 PM
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Just because.
Laura Leff 4:28 PM
Um...do you remember what I said?
Laura Leff 4:28 PM
Interesting perspective...
R. Hookie 4:28 PM
There was a Maxwell in Benny's Bag
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:28 PM
that's a great statue! The one in Cucamonga just has his arms crossed
R. Hookie 4:29 PM
and in a Texaco commercial
Laura Leff 4:29 PM
The Cucamonga and Waukegan statues are overall very similar, although the Waukegan artist claimed never to have seen the Cucamonga one when he was designing it.
Laura Leff 4:29 PM
Hookie - Not the one they build around him with Eddie Carroll, right?
Laura Leff 4:29 PM
Oh right, Jack drives it.
R. Hookie 4:29 PM
What ever happened to the Texaco commercials you had on the site?
Laura Leff 4:30 PM
Hookie - Is that the one I used on the cover of the color newsletter issue, with a non-Roch chauffeur?
R. Hookie 4:30 PM
Yes, where Dennis fills up one gallon
Laura Leff 4:30 PM
My name is Rodney!
Laura Leff 4:30 PM
(At least, I think that's Dennis' line...)
Chris D 4:31 PM
Anyone notice what the did to that yellow street sign in the last picture ?
R. Hookie 4:31 PM
But you're Dennis Day....
Laura Leff 4:32 PM
Chris - I hadn't zoomed on it...is the walker carrying a violin case?
Chris D 4:32 PM
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Waukegan trying to be artsy
Marc Thorner 4:32 PM
Oh that's too funny!!!
Laura Leff 4:32 PM
Cute!
Laura Leff 4:32 PM
I'll have to comment on that to my friend David, who's PR for Waukegan.
Laura Leff 4:33 PM
I bet that's his handiwork right there.
Laura Leff 4:33 PM
Too bad it's a guitar and not a violin
Chris D 4:33 PM
aye.
Laura Leff 4:34 PM
So what else Benny-wise for discussion today?
Chris D 4:34 PM
Pix from our 2013 visit.  we actualy didnt get close to the statue this year as it was dark after the show and we had Pams mom along and she was cold.
Laura Leff 4:34 PM
Where was the show done?
R. Hookie 4:35 PM
I had fun tonight
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:35 PM
gosh I have to go, THANKS Chris for the photos from Waukegan!
Laura Leff 4:35 PM
Thanks again for calling me back, Hookie!
R. Hookie 4:35 PM
You got it
good night Kathy
Kathy Fuller-Seeley 4:35 PM
thanks it was fun!
Laura Leff 4:35 PM
Thanks for stopping Kathy!  Always great to have you here.
Laura Leff 4:35 PM
OK, see you all in April!  Thanks for sharing!
Chris D 4:35 PM
Clockwize theater, about a block from the statue.  Right next to the big theater
Laura Leff 4:36 PM
Ah next to the Genesee
Chris D 4:36 PM
yes
Laura Leff 4:36 PM
OK, then that's new.
Laura Leff 4:36 PM
Cool.
R. Hookie 4:36 PM
I need to travel more....
Laura Leff 4:36 PM
There is more to life than the prairie.
Marc Thorner 4:36 PM
heh yeah
R. Hookie 4:36 PM
I'm missing out on so much
But the prairie is nice
Laura Leff 4:37 PM
You should come see the Jack Benny museum in California.
Laura Leff 4:37 PM
But give me some notice so I can get the house cleaned up a bit.
R. Hookie 4:37 PM
That's a long drive
Laura Leff 4:37 PM
They fly planes now.
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This from 2014 the mural
R. Hookie 4:38 PM
You know I don't use a horse and wagon, right?
Laura Leff 4:38 PM
OK...I'm going to be here for a short bit scraping the chat for the transcript.  Oh great photo!
Chris D 4:38 PM
later folks!
Laura Leff 4:38 PM
Hookie - Little would surprise me.  
:)
Laura Leff 4:38 PM
Have a good night, folks!
R. Hookie 4:38 PM
good night Chris
Marc Thorner 4:38 PM
'night everyone!!