IJBFC Chat - January 9, 2011

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[Chasitykins] I'm usually working Sundays, but my new job lets me have every Sudnay evening off, so I may yet become a regular

[Laura Leff] Hi folks!

[Chasitykins] Hi Laura

[Brad from Georgia] Glad to be here. We're supposed to get 5-10 inches of snow and ice tonight.

[ed] hey it's the boss hi LL

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Chastity- Excellent...glad to hear you may be able to be here more often!

[Brad from Georgia] Chasity--hope you enjoy it!

[ed] no snow in northern cal? LL

[Laura Leff] Nope, no snow here. Heavy fog last night that simulated rain.

Chasitykins makes note to winter in California

[Laura Leff] There may be some in the mountains whent he rain comes through this coming week.

[ed] Hahaha

[Laura Leff] Remember, I'm from Grand Rapids, Michigan. That's one of the reasons I'm here.

[Laura Leff] So how's everyone doing tonight?

[ed] fine

[Chasitykins] I spent a glorious spring break in my college in Michigan...snowiest spring break ever.

[Brad from Georgia] Doing well. Cold but well.

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Where in Michigan?

[Brad from Georgia] Chasity--where, aw, Laura!

[Laura Leff] I remember a spring break that I woke up to two feet of new snow on the driveway.

[Chasitykins] Up north, some rural town with my buddy. The name has escaped me.

[ed] you took his question LL

[Laura Leff] Petoskey.  

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sorry, nothing personal!

[Brad from Georgia] I have friends in Marshall....

[Laura Leff] One of our regulars used to live in Marshall.

[Brad from Georgia] And I attended a magician's conference in Colon. That's a country town.

[Laura Leff] BRB

[ed] I know of a little town up there called-forgive me- Hell, Michigan

[Chasitykins] Colon...Hell...

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, I know that one too. Interestingly, it's currently frozen over.

[Chasitykins] I am seeing a trend.

[Brad from Georgia] Colon is actually named for Cristobal Colon, whom most of us know as Columbus.

[ed] hmmm

[Brad from Georgia] The Abbott Magic Company is, or at least used to be, headquartered there.

[Brad from Georgia] Still there. Just checked.

[Laura Leff] Not to mention Climax, Michigan

[Laura Leff] Where is the Costello Magic Company headquartered?

[Brad from Georgia] Or Dime Box, Georgia. Or Ball Ground, Frogtown, Cumming, and Booger Hollow.

[Laura Leff] Or Blue Balls, Pennsylvania

[Brad from Georgia] Laura--That's on first.

[Laura Leff] But seriously folks...

[Laura Leff] Who listened to the show for discussion?

[Chasitykins] I did!

[Brad from Georgia] I did. It ended abruptly.

[Laura Leff] So whatcha think?

[Laura Leff] Besides lousy and variable audio quality?

[Chasitykins] This is a show I've read about, but today was the first day I actually heard it.

[Brad from Georgia] Fred's writers didn't do right by Jack, but Jack, contrary to popular opinion, ad-libbed some good ones.

[Brad from Georgia] Some of the lines given Jack were SOOOO Fred Allen--"I washed my foot for nothing."

[Chasitykins] I rolled my eyes at that one, haha.

[Laura Leff] I would bet that Jack camed armed with a few lines from his writers.

[ed] how far back did their friendship go back, LL?

[Brad from Georgia] And another thing: I realized listening to it that I'd rather be hit in the head by fifty pounds of Portland cement than listen to five minutes of Portland Hoffa.

[Laura Leff] Back to vaudeville. I don't think there's as clear a time on it as Jack and George Burns meeting around 1920, but it was somewhere in the 20s.

[ed] thanks

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'll second that. And her flute-y voice is hard to hear through the static.

[Chasitykins] I like Portland Hoffa, but I feel like Fred's writers really never know what to do with her.

[Laura Leff] What *would* one do with her?

[Chasitykins] A question for the ages...

[Brad from Georgia] Jack had a heck of a good adlib line--"Well, I killed THAT joke, and I'm glad I did."

[Laura Leff] Notice the reaction that "we've got an egg to go with that butter" got.

[Laura Leff] I was multitasking and not completely hearing all of Portland's lines--and not caring--but then came running over when I heard the long laughter and backed it up.

[Brad from Georgia] The butter line did bomb.

[Laura Leff] I'm serious...if you were writing the Allen show, what would you do with Portland if you had to incorporate her?

[Brad from Georgia] I'd get rid of the fluty voice, for one thing.

[ed] was portland as nervous on radio as mary was?

[Laura Leff] Ed - I don't think so. I think Portland came from performing stock, IIRC.

[Laura Leff] Or had more exposure to it than Mary did.

[Chasitykins] Sometimes it sounds like Allen is more nervous around an audience than Portland, but that might just as well be part of his personality.

[ed] fred had a great laugh when a joke would not go over

[Laura Leff] Or possibly that Allen is essentially playing himself, whereas Portland has this ridiculous character to portray.

[ed] or was better than his

[Brad from Georgia] By the way, who played the part of Flugelman, Piastro's manager? Alan Reed again?

[Brad from Georgia] (He was Falstaff Oppenshaw, I know)

[Laura Leff] I should know that. But I don't.

[Brad from Georgia] Of course, he later found fame 'n fortune as Fred Flintstone....

[Chasitykins] Was Portland's flute-y voice part of her character, or did she really sound like that all the time?

[ed] he had a natural voice which did not have to change like mel blanc's

[Brad from Georgia] No, she had a pleasant speaking voice.

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Oh what a fate that would be. It sounds really put on.

[Laura Leff] What else about the show?

[Brad from Georgia] There's a Benny show done at a time when Fred was off the air (for medical reasons) and Portland and Fred are guests. Fred tells her, "Portland, we don't have a show any more. You don't have to talk like that." So she doesn't from then on.

[Chasitykins] Haha

[ed] reed was a very good character actor on radio and TV

[Laura Leff] Brad - You know you're right..

[Brad from Georgia] I don't think Jack would have telegraphed the joke the way Allen does--"I'm hiding from Jack Benny." If the guest star was supposed to be a surprise on the Benny show, he/she would be a surprise.

[Laura Leff] Which didn't happen often.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack's crack about getting "five more gray hairs during rehearsal" is probably a joke about the way that Fred ad-libbed unpredictably. Jack liked a more polished show. One lousy rehearsal was all he asked, but he liked things to run smoothly.

[Laura Leff] This was also 1943, which was a transitional time between the late 30s, when the shows were a little more free-wheeling, and the late 40s, where the shows run like a Ferrari.

[Laura Leff] (That meaning, of course, Jack's show.)

[Laura Leff] How would you compare this to King for a Day?

[Brad from Georgia] Interestingly, the Allen's Alley bit is current. There's been a suggestion that horsemeat ought to be more widely available for human consumption in the US. Saw it this week.

[Chasitykins] Ewww

[Laura Leff] What makes one work over the other? Or how do they work differently? Compare and contrast.

[Brad from Georgia] Well, I'd have to listen to KfaD again to do a good job on this.

[Chasitykins] I think King for a Day really gets down to what the audience is eager to hear - Jack and Fred feuding.

[Laura Leff] Just from the gut...your sense based on memory

[Chasitykins] This show, with the guest violinist, has another person thrown into the mix...

[Chasitykins] And that kind of pulls away from Jack-Fred interaction.

[Laura Leff] Jack is still in a "pretending to be someone else" mode

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, I agree with Chasity. It's more of the standard Jack/Fred feud on "King," but very well done and the timing is great.

[Laura Leff] Yes, Jack is more the underdog in this interaction. Never gets the upper hand

[Brad from Georgia] The timing in the violin episode is fuzzy. Not BAD, but not spot-on the way both Jack and Fred could be.

[ed] king for a day was their cklassic feuds

[ed] classic*

[Laura Leff] I'm trying to remember...do we ever get a clear sense why Jack is masquerading here?

[Laura Leff] Just the money, or something else?

[Chasitykins] I was wondering about that myself.

[Laura Leff] Is it ever explicity mentioned?

[Brad from Georgia] And of course there's the quality of the recording. Doggone it, I wanted to hear the violin competition, but it just stopped.

[Laura Leff] He's obviously got a vested interest in the prizes on King For a Day.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Are you sure? I just listened to the show, but don't remember that abrupt ending.

[Laura Leff] Listening again...I can hear the closing commercial

[Laura Leff] No, it's a complete show.

[Laura Leff] I hear the NBC announcement under the applause at the end.

[Brad from Georgia] I downloaded the .mp3, and it just quits as Fred announces (erroneously, in fact) that Jack will give 6000 bucks to anyone who CAN'T tell the difference. It just stopped. I listened to it again today in the car, and the same thing happened.

[Chasitykins] Yeah I remember the violin competition - Jack and the violinist are talking afterwards

[Brad from Georgia] So I guess my download got clipped somehow.

[Chasitykins] That must be it, Brad.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sorry about that. Try downloading again, and if that doesn't work, let me know and I'll E-mail it to you.

[Brad from Georgia] I'll just listen to it on the computer. That usually works.

[Laura Leff] What else about the show?

[Chasitykins] I had to grin when Jack was critiquing the violinist (I am not attempting to spell his name, I will get it wrong) afterwards.

[Brad from Georgia] Piastro.

[Laura Leff] Misch

[Chasitykins] I'd say the violinst got the best line in the whole show, really, when he mentions that Jack would know best about what's lousy.

[Laura Leff] I wonder if the concept of putting Jack next to an accomplished violinist is always considered sure-fire.

[Laura Leff] Jack and Isaac Stern

[Brad from Georgia] Jack was actually right: the pizzicato passage threw Piastro off just a bit and the following few notes were too sharp.

[Laura Leff] Jack and Stuart Canin

[Laura Leff] Jack and Josef Szigeti (Hollywood Canteen)

[Laura Leff] etc.

[Chasitykins] Was this show before or afer Jack's program where Mary told Jack to shut up?

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'm impressed you could tell that through the static.

[Chasitykins] I forget the singer's name that is on there.

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Before

[Laura Leff] Dorothy Kirten

[Brad from Georgia] Kirsten.

[Laura Leff] Thanks, Brad

[ed] he showed up on lawrence welk once they showd it once on PBS and here was very good

[Laura Leff] Didn't notice my typo.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack could play passable violin. Not really concert-violinist quality, but not bad.

[Laura Leff] On the 1964 television show with Stuart Canin as a guest, they play a serious violin duet together. It's quite good.

[ed] typo problems for me too

[Chasitykins] Was it the 40's or 50's that Jack took it up seriously again?

User KayLhota has entered this room.

[Laura Leff] Hi Kay!

[KayLhota] hi gang

[Brad from Georgia] On the interview that I mentioned to you, LL, Jack says one of his regrets is that going into Vaudeville meant that his study of the violin ended. "I could play," he said, "but I could never get any better because I didn't have any instruction."

[Chasitykins] Hi, Kay, glad to see ya.

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Kay! Good to see you~

[ed] hi kay

[KayLhota] thank you

[Laura Leff] Chasity - It was after Danny Kaye introduced Jack to Isaac Stern, which I think was 1946.

[KayLhota] sorry to be late.

[Brad from Georgia] No hay de que, Kay.

[Chasitykins] Better late than never.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yeah, hard to attend lessons when you're on tour!

[Brad from Georgia] (That there is a multilingual pun)

[Laura Leff] Kay - Any Boston comments about the Fred Allen show?

[Brad from Georgia] I wish I knew about the source for that interview. There's no sign of when it was done, and I don't know who the interviewer is. I can't even tell if the interviewer is male or female!

[KayLhota] Boston comments?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Since you're in that area.

[Laura Leff] And Fred was from there.

[Laura Leff] Brad - How odd.

[KayLhota] Did he mention boston? All I got was horse meat and violins!

[Laura Leff] Brad - I wonder where they sourced it from.

[Brad from Georgia] It's one of those throaty, high-pitched, androgynous voices.

[Laura Leff] Kay - No, I just can't think of Fred Allen without thinking of Boston!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Jack Benny, as interviewed by Bjork

[Brad from Georgia] And I can't think of him without thinking of Jack with a clothespin on his nose!

[KayLhota] Ah, indeed. I do like Fred Allen, and I have a dear friend from Dorchester that adores Fred Allen

[Laura Leff] Has anyone ever seen a photo of Jack with the clothespin on his nose?

[KayLhota] yes, I've seen the picture

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, twice on the show I heard Fred's trademarked "Ho-ho" laugh sort of off-mike but audible.

[Chasitykins] I haven't

[Brad from Georgia] Jack nailed the "ho-ho" when he imitated Fred.

[Laura Leff] I was trying to remember if I'd seen an actual photo, or if the image was just so easily imaginable that I'd conjured it in my mind!

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, before I forget, thanks, Laura, for taking my penny for "Penny for Benny.

[KayLhota] I feel certain I've seen a picture of Jack with the clothespin and Mary is to his left, our right

[Laura Leff] Brad - Absolutely. Have you been able to look at the videos or photos on the site?

[Laura Leff] Kay - OK, then I didn't imagine it. Thanks!

[Brad from Georgia] Yes--though I can only open the first video for some reason. Probably because I'm using the Google Chrome browser, not Internet Explorer.

[KayLhota] or, maybe we both imagined it, but I'm pretty sure that I saw it

[Laura Leff] Try right-clicking and downloading the file to your hard drive. You can probably play it from there.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Mass hysteria, as it were.

[Brad from Georgia] TV's announcing that school's closed tomorrow. Public school, but not our college so far.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I will try that.

[Laura Leff] The man in brown in the second video is Michael Rudolph, Jack's oldest grandchild.

[Brad from Georgia] I think I once saw Michael's photo in LIFE magazine....

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind?

[Laura Leff] Brad - As a babe in arms?

[KayLhota] you mentioned Michael Rudolph and that reminded me of a story

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Yes. Jack was playing on the floor with his grandkids.

[Laura Leff] Or him and Maria with their hands out for money from Jack?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Go for it.

[KayLhota] in my home town there is a guy named Steve who runs a comic book stoe

[KayLhota] store. His mom worked for a catering company\

[KayLhota] and she loved going to Jack Benny's home because he would entertain the kitchen help

[Laura Leff] That sounds like Jack.

[Chasitykins] Aw  

[KayLhota] he took the time to talk to everyone and when he found out that she had a son, he gave her clothes that his grandson had outgrown

[KayLhota] age-wise that would have been michael

[Laura Leff] Yes, that also sounds like Jack.  

[Chasitykins] Oh, gosh, that's really generous. :D

[Brad from Georgia] ...and in the sleeves of the shirts were Jack Benny cufflinks....

[Laura Leff] I wonder if Bobby hadn't come along yet, or they just were too well-to-do to do hand-me-downs!

[Chasitykins] I can't imagine Mary allowing her grandchildren to wear hand-me-downs.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Ah, one of our members just picked up a pair of those!

[KayLhota] she had fun at Groucho Marxes as well, and he also would entertain the kitchen

[Brad from Georgia] But I'll bet Grouch worked blue, even with kids....

[ed] hey groucho is on the caption pic this month

[KayLhota] Groucho didn't usually go blue around kids

[Brad from Georgia] Yep, he and Jack look like a couple of warm-weather penguins.

[Laura Leff] Yes, someone sent me that link right when I was going to do the contest, and it looked like I could use it there.

[Laura Leff] But kids would go blue around W.C. Fields...being choked...

[Chasitykins] Ba-zing.

[KayLhota] from what I read, it was easier for him to be around and entertain kids. It was harder when they got older.

[Laura Leff] Who, Groucho? Or Fields?

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--I know. I sort of found it funny that in his books Groucho boasted that he and his brothers NEVER had to do off-color humor...and then later I read stories of him telling dirty stories all the time.

[KayLhota] groucho

[KayLhota] well, any blue jokes were for the boys at hillcrest, weren't they?

[Laura Leff] Well, they never had to do off-color humor on stage.

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, the Benny interview available thru Amazon is labeled "EXPLICIT," but I haven't hit anything too off-color so far. I'm going to listen to it when I walk on the trail one day next week.

[Laura Leff] John Tackaberry supposedly had a blue streak in him a mile long. But it never translated to air.

[KayLhota] hey, shows the talent that they could tell good clean fun

[Brad from Georgia] The Warner Bros cartoonists liked to put questionable bits in their films. ALMOST all of them got censored out, as the cartoonists expected. A few got through, though.

[Laura Leff] I wonder how many of the gags intended for the censors to remove were written by him!

[Chasitykins] Hahaha

[Laura Leff] Brad - I bet they were doing it like Jack's writers...you put in something for the censors to take out in order to keep in other things.

[Brad from Georgia] I wonder if the censors knew that the writers deliberately included "censor bait" as bargaining chips.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Well, you know the story of the censor and Veola Vonn's pins, right?

[Brad from Georgia] No, I don't think so.

[Laura Leff] OK...I haven't read the story in a while so I may be off in spots, but you'll get the gist.

[KayLhota] no sweater, just pins

[Laura Leff] So there was a college skit, and Veola Vonn (who was very well-endowed in her female virtues)

[Laura Leff] is described somewhere as wearing something like 15 fraternity pins.

[Laura Leff] No sweater, just pins.

[Laura Leff] Which, to me, sounds painful.

[Brad from Georgia] Ah...so that's where the Simpson writers got the gag!

[Laura Leff] And the censor said that was too explicit, because it would have left so much of her exposed


[Laura Leff] And insisted that they say something like "she was wearing 57 pins"

[Laura Leff] Milt has a wonderful comment about not knowing how the censor came up with that exact number

[Brad from Georgia] Lisa gets obsessed with collecting Olympic pins. At one point Bart says, "Your dress is completely covered with pins!" And she hoarsely whispers, "There is no dress...only pins!"

[Laura Leff] Or what sort of slide rule and protractor he must have used on a photo of Veola Vonn

[KayLhota] yes, his book is marvelous

[Brad from Georgia] LL--It's obvious. He used to work for Heinz.

[Laura Leff] But it actually makes the joke a lot dirtier...thanks to the censor's meddling!

[Laura Leff] So censors weren't necessarily all that bright.

[Chasitykins] hilarious

[Laura Leff] Cue clip from "Cinema Paradisio" of the Priest ringing a bell.

[KayLhota] Milt's book is written by a man who has a gift for story telling. I can't read it and not laugh out loud

[Laura Leff] Milt's book is fabulous. I must read it again one of these days.

[Chasitykins] That's next on my list of books to by.

[Brad from Georgia] You know, for years and years as a kid I thought there was a swear word in "Wizard of Oz." Elmyra Gulch snaps, "I'll slap a damage sut on you that'll take your whole farm!" I heard that as "a damn suit," which I still like better.

[KayLhota] My son Daniel started to read it with me, but I don't think he ever finished it

[Chasitykins] Hah!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Funny, I never got that line clearly. Just the sense that she was going to take the farm.

[Chasitykins] I've been reading Bob Newhart's book, and today I read a passage where he was talking abot Jack

[Laura Leff] I swear there's a 1934 Jell-O show where Jack says "damnit" or something on air.

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Fill me in. I've been trying to arrange an interview with him.

[Brad from Georgia] Chasity--the submarine gag?

[ed] or clark gable

[Laura Leff] I was next in line to talk with him at an event when they decided he had to leave.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Call him on the phone. He's used to that.

[Chasitykins] Bob was talking about how Jack's favorite routine of his was the Abe Lincoln one, and he came backstage after the first show he saw it and told him that if Bob ever saw him in the audience, that he had to do the Abe Lincoln routine

[Chasitykins] And one night, Bob saw him, but he knew that the Abe Lincoln routine was much too long...

[Laura Leff] Brad - I have to call George Jessel first.

[Chasitykins] So he did a shortened version of it to fool his audience and Jack, but Jack came backstage and told him every gag that he left out from the routine. Bob stated that he cold never make a fool out of Jack.

[Brad from Georgia] Huh. I heard Newhart tell the story, and in that version it was his "Submarine Commander" skit that he cut and that Jack repeated word for word afterward.

[Laura Leff] Har har har

[KayLhota] wow


[Laura Leff] Whichever story comes to mind. The story still plays just as well.  

[Brad from Georgia] Well, memory is a strange thing.

[Laura Leff] Hey, Jack was never offered the opportunity to sing "Thanks for the Memory" either. *wink/nudge to those in the room who get the reference*

[KayLhota] speaking of which-- excuse me while I look for the clothespin picture

[Brad from Georgia] They used to tell me that as I got older, my memory would fail. Actually, I'm remembering a lot more things than I used to. Like the day the Pope rode up to our house on an elephant and asked to see my pet squirrel.

[Chasitykins] Haha, Brad.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, I frequently heard Eddie Carroll tell that story, LL!

[Chasitykins] Fill me in, please.

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, have you seen Carolyn lately? We email each other from time to time.

[Laura Leff] I've probably said it before, but Larry Adler had a wonderful story in the intro to his autobiography about

[Laura Leff] vividly remembering something happening, then finding his diary from the time and finding out it never happened.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I saw her in November at the SPERDVAC luncheon. She wasn't able to make Pennies for Benny.

[Brad from Georgia] Chasity-In "Laughter in Bloom," Eddie (as Jack) said he had been cast in a movie but turned the part down because he didn't think much of it. He said a new comedian took it instead...Bob Hope. "If I'd played the role, my theme would have been 'Thanks for

[Laura Leff] Chasity - On which comment?

[Brad from Georgia] the Memory."

[Laura Leff] Ah, Brad's got this one.

[Brad from Georgia] But that never happened.

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[Chasitykins] Ohh, I feel like I've heard that gag before.

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie was an entertainer, not a biographer--if it made a better story, he'd change the facts.

[Josef] Hi everyone

[Chasitykins] Hi, Josef.

[ed] josef hi

[Laura Leff] The first time we ever had dinner (it was in Waukegan), and Eddie summed it up nicely, "You're a researcher. I'm an entertainer. This plays better."

[Laura Leff] Hi Josef!

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Josef. You know, they loved Jack in St. Josef.

[Josef] Hi Chasitykins, ed, Laura

[Chasitykins] Haha

[Josef]  Brad

[Laura Leff] So I respect that.

[Chasitykins] I fell like that when I read any of Burns' books and he's telling the reader that he might be lying about something...

[KayLhota] Hi Josef

[Chasitykins] It hardly matters to me if he is lying or not, the story is entertaining.

[Laura Leff] It's actually his ghostwriter lying for him.

[Chasitykins] True, haha.

[Josef] Hi KayLhota

[KayLhota] wow

[Brad from Georgia] When Eddie played our town, he actually emailed Laura to ask if Eddie Anderson hadn't been called "Syracuse" instead of "Rochester" in his first appearance. He wasn't, but Eddie didn't change the story, 'cause it got a laugh.

[Laura Leff] Which was Hal Goldman much of the time.

[Laura Leff] I finally did figure out how they came up with that confusion.

[KayLhota] Laura, do you have the documentary, "The Great Radio Comedians?"

[Laura Leff] There's a gag about Rochester having a brother named Syracuse in the television version of Jack finding Rochester.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Ah yes. I almost wore that tape out watching it in the 80s.

[KayLhota] I believe that the clothespin still is in that movie.

[Brad from Georgia] Ah hah! You're a Sherlock Holmes of Benny info, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Kay - OK, so it's way back in my "mental filing cabinet". Just saw it a million times when I was starting out.

[Laura Leff] Brad - It's the 80-year breadcrumb trail. I'll never get them all, but sometimes there are specific ones that need to be found.

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, the Lee Trevino footage that someone referenced on the BB is great. Jack is very natural, relaxed, and funny, ad-libbing away. And he looks like he's having a wonderful time.

[Laura Leff] Do you remember that strange line drawing of Jack and Mary on Wilshire Boulevard looking at Don in drag, Rochester, and Dennis riding a goose?

[KayLhota] it's in the clip from the feud bit from the Jan 1937 show when he goes into his Fred imitation, and says: ..."Portland, I mean, Mary!"

[Brad from Georgia] I do have a memory of that, LL--though I was thinking it was the Pope on the goose.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Ah, that brings up such a vivid auditory memory!

[KayLhota] well, I had that documentary on audio tape from when I saw it first in 1972

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[KayLhota] I still have that tape

[Brad from Georgia] Bye, Chasity. Hi, Chasity.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Nope. I finally saw the television show that inspired that drawing about six or so months ago. And I'm sitting there with my arms folded saying, "Oh is THAT what the **** that was?!?!"

[Laura Leff] Kay - Gotcha. I recorded it off of PBS around 1981.

[ed] she's baaaack

[Chasitykins] Whew, I was afraid I was talking to myself for a moment there.

[Laura Leff] Betamax. It's tape 9 of my original collection.

[Laura Leff] Do we not have it in the video library? Maybe should transfer it some time...

[KayLhota] I recorded it in 1981 on VHS, but my Mom recorded over it

[Chasitykins] I would love to see it.

[Brad from Georgia] Somewhere I have audiotapes of the two memorial TV shows done not long after Jack's passing. Didn't have videotape back in those days.

[KayLhota] it is an excellent documentary, and provides a lot of info on the classic radio shows

[Brad from Georgia] Used to have to put Silly-Putty on the TV screen to save the pictures...

[KayLhota]  Brad

[Chasitykins]  Brad

[Brad from Georgia] Try telling that to the young folks today. We didn't have no MP3s neither. We used to have to take drugs and go to rock concerts.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Obviously a Winky Dink fan...

[KayLhota] I got a DVD of "The Great Radio Comedians" a couple of years ago.

[Laura Leff] Here's a link to that drawing: http://www.jackbenny.org иии JBA3.htm

[Brad from Georgia] Winky Dink broke my heart.

[Josef] Wow Brad. I really feel young tonight

[KayLhota] It's a little bawky, though. It likes to freeze up in some DVD players.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Ah, then I won't transfer my old copy if it's in circulation.

[Chasitykins] My that is a strange drawing.

[Brad from Georgia] One day I didn't draw the bridge, hoping he'd stop. But he drove right across on thin air. I lost my faith in magic.

[KayLhota] laura, if you like, I can try to make a copy of my DVD to send to you.

[KayLhota] If it works for you, maybe you can circulate it around.

[Brad from Georgia] That is a strange cartoon. But I do remember it.

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[Laura Leff] Kay - Sure, that would be great.

[Josef] im back. had a computer problem

[Brad from Georgia] Horrible likeness of Rochester. In fact, it's not a likeness. It's a differentness.

[Laura Leff] I always thought it was drawn by someone who was suffering from some kind of psychological affliction.

[Laura Leff] But then I saw the show and all became clear.

[Laura Leff] And that's not Mary.

[Brad from Georgia] So what in the show referenced that?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Referenced which?

[Brad from Georgia] The goose, Don in drag, etc.

[Brad from Georgia] (The TV just announced that our college is closed tomorrow. So I have to remember to turn off the alarm.)

[Laura Leff] Congrats

[Laura Leff] The show in question is 4/17/60

[Laura Leff] The woman with Jack is Barbara Nichols

[Chasitykins] I do see the likeness.

[Laura Leff] Don appears in drag in the middle commercial, talking about how much he loves Lux

[Laura Leff] Let me scan my notes for the goose...

[Laura Leff] Dennis got a duck from his aunt as an Easter present, is walking it on a leash--going to eat it tonight

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, that's a duck? (and don't give me any guff about a viaduct. I get enough of that from Chico).

[Laura Leff] Don is walking around without gloves because he wants everyone to see how nice his hands are with Lu

[Laura Leff] Lux

[KayLhota] okay, now I've got the picture that you are talking about.

[Josef] me too

[Laura Leff] Y'see, it all makes sense once you've seen the show.

[Brad from Georgia] On one of Jack's radio shows, someone refers to Jack "Luxing his undies." I was surprised the censors didn't clip that.

[Chasitykins] Hah!

[Laura Leff] Oh and Dennis returns later in the show, having taken the duck to a maternity hospital because "he" laid an egg

[Laura Leff] Jell-O and Lucky Strike didn't compete with Lux.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise?

[Brad from Georgia] Now, this is odd but actually true. My uncle once gave me a duckling for Easter. I kept it, and it grew to adult duckhood.

[KayLhota] well, there isn't anything really bad about Jack's undies, if the girls do it with LUX, why not Jack?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Did it ever work for Groucho?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Probably a reference to the delicacy of the fabric.

[Brad from Georgia] No, no it didn't. It's name, for some reason I don't remember, was "Diddle." Eventually my parents made me take it up to granpa's farm, and...a fox got it. Sigh.

[KayLhota] I have a girlfriend that has a pet duck. She even has ducky diapers so the duck can stay inside the house.

[Laura Leff] There's got to be a joke in there somewhere.

[Brad from Georgia] Actually that should be "Its," but since I don't have to teach tomorrow, the hell with it.

[Laura Leff] Any thoughts on a show for next month's discussion?

[Chasitykins] A birthday show?

[Josef] Well, next month is Jack's b-day

[KayLhota] birthday show, for sure!

[Brad from Georgia] The "Family Guy" tonight is about dialysis, which reminds me that I have three kidneys, one on the left, two on the right. And yet I'm not conservative. Go figure.

[Laura Leff] OK, I'll find a birthday show. But I think we've done the one where Jack turns 40...er...39.

[Josef] Did he ever do a straight Valentine's Day show?

[Josef] or was it always connected to his birthday?

[Laura Leff] Josef - I'll have to look. There were certainly references to it, but they usually centered around his birthday being coincident with it.

[Brad from Georgia] And although I have three kidneys, I can sing "La Mer" in French. No lie. Yet my shoe size is ten-D. Oh, sorry, where were we?

[Chasitykins] Brad's memory prevails once more.

[Josef] okay, was wondering about that. I still need to learn more about Benny, even though I've been a consistent fan of his since high school

[Laura Leff] Josef - No problem. I'm always learning new stuff about him!

[Brad from Georgia] I keep learning about Benny, thanks largely to the Jack Benny Times. Thanks, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Anything else, or should we leave Brad to his free association?

[Laura Leff] Hey, happy to be able to provide new information!

[Brad from Georgia] I want to know now what song Jack and Dennis got sued for....

[Josef] Yeah, once I get my new paycheck I think I'll subscribe again. Been off the trail Benny-wise lately

[KayLhota] I can't think of much. I'll mail you the DVD, and you have to let me know if it plays properly.

[Laura Leff] Josef - Fortunately, you can subscribe any time during the year and get all the issues.

[Josef] yay!

[Laura Leff] Kay - Will do. I can't guarantee I'll try it immediately, but I'll give it a shot.

[Laura Leff] OK, sounds like a wrap for this month.

[Brad from Georgia] Barbara teases me that no matter what I have to do, when the JBT appears, I drop everything and read it cover to cover.

[Brad from Georgia] It's been fun. Night, all!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sound of crashing dishes

[Chasitykins] Haaaaaaaa


[KayLhota] goodnight all and see you next month

[Laura Leff] Thanks for stopping...see you in February!

[Chasitykins] Good night everyone, keep warm!