IJBFC Chat - November 14, 2010

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[Laura Leff] Hi folks...

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Laura.

[Laura Leff] Looks like the East Coast is covered...

[KayLhota] Hi Folks!

[Laura Leff] How are you both doing?

[KayLhota] Pretty good, thanks.

[Brad from Georgia] Doing okay. Really worn out from school.

[Brad from Georgia] Been working on a book, too, but it goes slowly.

[Laura Leff] Yes, it's been an insanely busy time for me as well.

[Laura Leff] I am 86% through all the shows I need to watch for Volume 3. Just recalculated it last night.

[KayLhota] wow, that's really great, Laura.

[Laura Leff] Yes, I'm quite awash in data.

[Laura Leff] BRB

[Brad from Georgia] I'm pretty close to 47,000 words on a 55,000 word book (first draft, though) In the summer I can do maybe 4000 words a day...I'm lucky to get 2000 a week during school.

[Brad from Georgia] Hope a few other regulars turn up tonight!

[KayLhota] Yes, tonight's turnout is low so far.

[Brad from Georgia] But what there is...is cherce.

[KayLhota] I almost didn't make it, either.

[Brad from Georgia] What happened?

[Laura Leff] Yes, I've often said that I consult, and between gigs, I write my books.

[KayLhota] A busy day, and my husband didn't give up the computer until 7:40 my time.

[Laura Leff] Volume 3 is the first book I've ever written while working. Thank goodness I have a very understanding boss.

[Laura Leff] Sounds like everyone's busy these days!

[KayLhota] I had less than 20 minutes to listen to tonight's episode. I got almost up to Dennis' song

[Brad from Georgia] I drove down to Atlanta for the monthly meeting of the Dark River Writers, my writers' support group.

[Brad from Georgia] You know, Dennis's "suicide" gag probably wouldn't make it on the air today.

[Laura Leff] I presume that Westinghouse must have had a tag line like, "Westinghouse...when you want to be sure"

[KayLhota] I was having fun listening to the Ed part.

[Laura Leff] I sometimes wonder if Mel killing himself at the end of the Christmas shopping show would make it today.

[Laura Leff] There's a television version of this show.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Yes, that was the ad line for Westinghouse: "Be sure ... with Westinghouse." Had to do with light bulbs especially, as I recall.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--In the TV version, it's Bert Mustin as Ed, right?

[KayLhota] Ed didn't know what electricity was.

[Laura Leff] OK, thanks for that. There was also a reference to George Gobel being younger than Jack, which sounds like it was a reference to some other current comment or joke based on the audience reaction.

[Brad from Georgia] Burt Mustin.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, that's right. It was Burt Mustin.

[Laura Leff] Oh heck...BRB again.

User Mike Amo has entered this room.

[KayLhota] I try to imagine Joe Kearns, and it is hard to see him as Ed.

[Brad from Georgia] (Bert/Burt: I wrote a silly little pastiche of a P.G. Wodehouse "Bertie Wooster" story recently)

[Mike Amo] Jello folks!

[Mike Amo] I had to reinstall Java to get in

[KayLhota] Hi Mike

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Mike.

[Brad from Georgia] I had to drink Java to stay up. Daylight savings--the government's way of showing those of us who rarely fly what jetlag is.

[Mike Amo]  

[KayLhota] I am not looking forward to the next two months of darkness, but we have no choice on that.

[Laura Leff] Hi Mike!

[Brad from Georgia] The end of the show is so weird...Ed's wanting to go back to the vault doesn't provoke a laugh, just an "Aww..." reaction from the audience.

[Laura Leff] Kay - I'll second that emotion.

[Mike Amo] Hi LL

[Laura Leff] Yes...I know I've said this before, but the first time I heard this show, I was almost in tears at that--it's very poignant.

[Brad from Georgia] Very odd, wistful feeling. Kearns does a good job.

[KayLhota] It's one thing that I love towards the end of January when the sun is setting closer to 5:00 than 4:30.

[Laura Leff] The bit with the lineup being the orchestra is reused in the first live television performance of Jack going to the Beverly Hills Police Department over his Maxwell being stolen.

[Laura Leff] Here's an off-the-wall question...have any of you seen "A Beautiful Mind"?

[Brad from Georgia] I think it's probably more effective in radio, with the "March Rods" doing the sfx.

[KayLhota] I have not, Laura.

[Mike Amo] I did

[Brad from Georgia] LL--No, I haven't.

[Brad from Georgia] I did see a film called "A Dirty Mind," but it had a lot of ladies with not enough clothing....

[KayLhota] blush

[Laura Leff] Well...I'll just say this briefly for Mike. Remember the scene where she walks into the shed and the walls are covered in clippings and all the strings showing connections between them?

[Brad from Georgia] Um...no.

[Laura Leff] By the way, I recommend the movie. I'm not much of a Ron Howard fan (too sappy for me normally), but I like this one.

[Laura Leff] Well, whatever. Basically I feel like that in listening to and watching the Benny shows, because I see/hear a gag and remember it being done on one or more other shows with variations.

[Laura Leff] Nuff said.

[Brad from Georgia] I'm waiting for "Death Comes to Mayberry: Opie's Revenge".

[Laura Leff] And actually, I think Ray may have added a little "march rod" embellishment for the lineup on television, but I'd have to look at it again.

[Mike Amo]  Been too long, didn't remember the scene, but awww

[Laura Leff] Mike - Yeah, that's what it feels like for me in writing Volume 3!  In a good way.

[Brad from Georgia] Anyone going to see "Harry Potter VII" next week? My son and daughter-in-law are planning a midnight jaunt to the movie.

[Laura Leff] Aren't they all basically the same movie?

[KayLhota] I wish I could have gotten to the 2nd half of this episode, but today was busy even more than usua;

[Laura Leff] I'd consider it with Ralph Fiennes in it...one of my faves.

[KayLhota] I am going to see the Harry Potter movie

[KayLhota] I loved the books

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--Ed comes up from the vault, is frightened by the modern world--in which he observes no one is happy--and begs Jack just to be allowed to go back down again.

[Laura Leff] Jack and Rochester go to the police station because Ed has run off, and encounter Mel Blanc, Benny Rubin, and Frank Nelson.

[Laura Leff] Er...sorry...Jack and Don.

[KayLhota] Brad, it would be an "aww" moment for Ed, but even in the 1st half they were really giving Joe kearns a lot of good material to act with

[Brad from Georgia] Frank is in "Missing Persons" because the usual cop who mans that desk is...missing.

[Laura Leff] Frank really hits his "YESSS" hard on this entrance!

[KayLhota] I'll have to give this a listen, just sorry that it's late

[Brad from Georgia] And Rubin is the "I dunno" guy.

[Laura Leff] I only finished it moments before logging on .

[KayLhota] classic Jack Benny cast, all right

[Laura Leff] Of course no Mary. Classic late 50s Benny cast.

[Brad from Georgia] I listened twice, once about a week ago as I walked on the trail, once today driving back home from Atlanta (about an hour's trip).

[Laura Leff] And no Bob Crosby either, IIRC

[Brad from Georgia] Though he is named in Don's intro, no Bob.

[Laura Leff] Not that it takes away much...sorry Bob...Manischevivivitz aside.

[Laura Leff] Isn't Mary there too?

[Brad from Georgia] She didn't make much of an impression on me!

[KayLhota] I guess Mary was having more and more anxiety towards the end of the radio era

[Laura Leff] It's nice to have Don doing the commercial as opposed to the George Washington Hill assortment of folks...classic though they are

[KayLhota] and into the TV era

[Brad from Georgia] This is one of those Benny shows that preceded a TV show. Sometimes those have a kind of slapped-together feel.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, I talked about that in the intro.

[Laura Leff] Intro to V2.

[Laura Leff] Just confirmed...Mary is in the opening credits.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Basically what was happening was that Hal and Al were recycling bits from prior scripts, and adding a few of their own to freshen it up.

[Brad from Georgia] In late '44 and early '45 Mary seemed to have a lot of "colds" and "laryngitis."

[KayLhota] I read your books and I refer to them often, but when it comes to the listening for yourself, you get reminded when she is missing

[Laura Leff] Of course, the whole "Ed comes up from the vault" was original. But you can see the recycled material from other shows because it doesn't form a cohesive whole.

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis's "suicide" gag had been used before, I think.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Let's see if I can come up with something quickly on that...

[Laura Leff] 2/25/51 - Dennis wants to miss rehearsal, going to commit suicide.

[Brad from Georgia] Someone told me recently that Frank Remley got along so well with Jack because they were both Midwesterners. Remley came from Minneapolis? St. Paul?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Sorry if it sounded high-handed of me to refer to the V2 intro. There's just a lot of analysis I put in there, and figured I'd just point to it rather than spin it out here.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Hal Goldman was from Minneapolis. I'm trying to remember Remley's home town.

[Laura Leff] I just got a beautiful professional photo of him from the early 40s. Will probably be the cover of the second 2011 issue

[Brad from Georgia] Sure, I love Vol. 2. I know more of those shows than the ones in Vol. 1, since so many of those don't seem to exist any more.

[Laura Leff] So sorry...BRB again

[Brad from Georgia] Where are all the regulars, I wonder? Yht and those guys...

[KayLhota] my goodness, there goes Laura

[KayLhota] smallish turnout tonight

[Brad from Georgia] Hope the dragon doesn't eat her....(reference to a gag in the show, Kay).

[Brad from Georgia] Probably my fault...I suggested that show.

[KayLhota] I finally did the smart thing, and pulled out the episode from my own collection to listen to the 2nd half while we chat

[Mike Amo] Sorry I haven't been here in ages, y'all...treveled everywhere the past several months and a little more to go

[Brad from Georgia] Well, let's see...I've regrown about half of my left big toe nail. I won't go into the gruesome details.

[KayLhota] ouch Brad

[Brad from Georgia] Oddly, it wasn't painful after the first day or so of the injury. Later when it, um, came off, it didn't hurt at all, but it really creeped me out.

[Laura Leff] Ouch

[Mike Amo] ew

[Brad from Georgia] Yeah, I blame San Antonio. Barbara and I walked ten miles along the Mission Trail, and it turned out my shoes were defective.

[KayLhota] oh, that does sound painful!

[Laura Leff] As long as we're discussing disgusting maladies...suffice it to say that I did a deep cleanse yesterday, and somehow some of the after-effects have set in immediately coincident with the start of the chat.

[Laura Leff] Suffice it to say.

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, hence the occasional absences.

[Laura Leff] Yep

[Laura Leff] At least I don't have to run all the way down to the vault.

[Laura Leff] Oh you know...talking of connections of bits in the show...

[Laura Leff] Paul Lynde plays a veterinarian caring for one of Jack's alligators on one TV show.

[Brad from Georgia] You know the story of Walter Cronkite, on the air during the first moon landing. He had an upset tummy...but couldn't leave the desk. He reportedly had to pay for his chair.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Must have been a young Paul Lynde!

[Laura Leff] And IIRC--this may be on a different show--one of the alligators is named Jeanette--oh yes, this is where Jack takes the IRS agents down to the vault--and a literal "clinging vine" is named Irving!

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, I recall that episode.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, very. Bye Bye Birdie days.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh my...is that why no one wanted to get close to him...

[Brad from Georgia] My son once played his role in the play version of BBB. Creepily, his sister played his daughter.

[Laura Leff] Kids...I don't know what's wrong with these kids today...

[KayLhota] Is your son older than your daughter at least?

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--Yep, two years.

[Laura Leff] Not enough to be her father, but...

[Laura Leff] Well, here's a thought.

[KayLhota] Bye Bye birdie is one of my favorite shows

[Brad from Georgia] My son wrote and directed "The Return of the King and I," a musical version of the Tolkien story. I played Gimli the Dwarf and Treebeard. My daughter played Arwen.

[Brad from Georgia] I sang a song, "Elves", which was based on "Kids".

[KayLhota] that must have been charming, Ed

[KayLhota] Brad!

[Laura Leff] If we're all busy and worn out, I'm happy to call it good early so we can all get some time back in our schedules. Your thoughts?

[Laura Leff] Brad - One of our rabbits is named Gimli. He's a dwarf.

[Brad from Georgia] I suppose it's okay. But you know this is my only human contact. I don't count fellow writers and students.

[Laura Leff]  

[KayLhota] I can talk a little longer, Laura if you are up for it

[Laura Leff] I'm fine...just wanted to throw out the option.

[KayLhota] but if you are not feeling well, I understand

[Brad from Georgia] Elves! I don't know what's wrong with these elves today! Elves! They have pointy ears and their clothes are fey!

[Laura Leff] Since everyone was talking about how blitzed they are.

[Mike Amo] I didn't get to hear the show yet...this is my first real day home in weeks, but it's good to be here when you're online

[Laura Leff] Brad - I like it...

[Brad from Georgia] Mike, whither are you bound on the road?

[KayLhota] Laura, it's so nice to leave the craziness and relax and chat right now.

[Brad from Georgia] (Notice dat "whither." It show I gots class.)

[Mike Amo] Crossed all of the US and Canada...even looked for Jack's star in Palm Springs last weekend

[Mike Amo] In Australia-New Zealand mid-December to mid-january

[Laura Leff] Kay - Gotcha.

[Mike Amo] And I did not wither...yet

[Brad from Georgia] Good golly, Miss Molly! What are you gonna be doin' in the Antipodes?

[Mike Amo] Exploring, and spending a lot to do it,  

[Laura Leff] Mike - Good for you. Hoping to get to Australia next year to visit some friends.


(some loss)


[Brad from Georgia] Some o' them Betty Boops wuz purty wild....

[KayLhota] yes, and a lot of the stuff in "So This Is Harris" got expanded upon in the movie "Melody Cruise"

[Mike Amo] I saw Craig Ferguson's show Wednesday night at CBS...three large b&w framed shots are in the entrance to the taping area: Jack with one of the Marquis Chimps, Carol Burnett, and Red Skelton in full clown makeup

[Brad from Georgia] The Betty Boop "Snow White" looks as if the animators were on serious drugs.

[Laura Leff] Just checked...it is "Melody Cruise"

[Laura Leff] That's the only thing he did in 1933.

[KayLhota] So, I'm not crazy. He was in that movie.

[Laura Leff] I still like Tex Avery's "Red Hot Riding Hood"

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, I got the "Laughter in Bloom" DVD. I love it, but I get all misted up.

[KayLhota] I want to see it again.

[Brad from Georgia] Avery said someone swiped all his original drawings of Red--which were nude studies (they drew in the costumes later).

[Laura Leff] Mike - Oh yes, I've seen those! When I was there watching the transfer of the color specials, someone showed me around.

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie gets a neat reaction from his opening story regarding one of the Marquis chimps riding the bus from LA to Vegas.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I remember there was a classic artist who used to draw his figures nude first and then paint clothes on them.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Chi Chi

[Mike Amo] Also got a tour of Jim Henson Studios, used to be Red's & originally Chaplin's

[Brad from Georgia] LL--not unusual. Lots of artists do that. I once took a life-studies painting class in which we had to paint a nude model. I failed the class, though I gave her two coats.

[KayLhota] Good one, Brad!

[Brad from Georgia] Mike--Cool! The Hensons are currently planning a permanent Henson Museum in Atlanta, at the Center for Puppetry Arts, where my daughter works.

[KayLhota] that would be wonderful

[Mike Amo] Cool, Brad!

[Brad from Georgia] Amy's good friends with Heather Henson, and she knows a couple of the other Hensons, too.

[KayLhota] earlier this year we got to see an exhibit of Henson art and storyboards, puppets and all sorts of goodies at a local museum

[Laura Leff] So where's Kermit?

[Mike Amo] At Disneyland

[Mike Amo] And on top of the Henson Studio entrance

[Laura Leff] Appropriate. Is he really the original?

[KayLhota] the La Choy canned Chinese food commercial with a clumsy dragon had us all laughing

[Mike Amo] No, it's a statue

[Brad from Georgia] One original Kermit is in the Smithsonian

[Laura Leff] Or is Kermit like Howdy Doody or Charlie McCarthy where there are multiple...

[Laura Leff] Brad - OK, that makes more sense.

[Mike Amo] Someone was talking last week about the original Kermit being bought at auction and having been made from Jim's mother coat

[Mike Amo] mother's

[Brad from Georgia] The very first Kermit was made from his mom's coat, yes.

[Laura Leff] That reminds me of Jack's TV show with Darla Hood, where in the "My Gang" sketch, they paste lambs' wool from the mother's coat onto the dog

[KayLhota] Darla was a cute guest on the show.

[Brad from Georgia] There have been a couple of dozen Kermits. Some were non-puppets, used for still photos only.

[Laura Leff] I should see if I can find her one of these days.

[Laura Leff] Brad - OK, like Photo Doody.

[Laura Leff] I figured there had to be more than one.

[Brad from Georgia] Yep, like that, LL.

[Brad from Georgia] The Puppetry Arts Center has one of Shari Lewis's original Lamb Chop puppets.

[Laura Leff] I remember when Kermit guest hosted The Tonight Show

[Laura Leff] Sorry I don't know, but isn't Shari Lewis still around?

[Laura Leff] Her guest shot on Jack's show is quite adorable.

[Mike Amo] wow, I should remember that

[KayLhota] Shari Lewis died years ago

[Brad from Georgia] Jim Henson said it was incredibly hard to make the "next-generation" Kermit match the one that was wearing out--sometimes they'd make three or four before one looked right.

[Laura Leff] Really? She must have been young.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--No, Shari died some years ago.

[Mike Amo] No, she passed away about 10 years ago

[Laura Leff] That's a shame. She was quite talented.

[Mike Amo] I did get to see her do her show in Baltimore Inner Harbor in the early 1990s

[Brad from Georgia] We did see her daughter, who now does an act with her mom's puppets, including Lamb Chop. She's quite good.

[KayLhota] Yes, she had just produced a show called "Charlie Horse's Mystic Pizza"

[Mike Amo] Her daughter took over for her since, but I don't know much past that

[Mike Amo] Thanks Brad

[Laura Leff] It's a shame that show isn't in circulation...she does Lamb Chop, sings and dances, and various things.

[Brad from Georgia] She performed in the same theater that Eddie did "Laughter in Bloom" in, matter of fact.

[Laura Leff] It's one of those where Jack was clearly trying to provide a showcase for the young talent, like Gisele or Johnny Carson.

[Laura Leff] Oh well...hopefully some day.

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, the Puppetry Arts Center also has a Skeksis form "Dark Crystal," along with a host of puppets from "Labyrinth," including the fox-knight who rides a sheepdog as his steed.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise or other-wise is on everyone's mind tonight?

[Laura Leff] You know, there's a good short series called something like "Jim Henson's Greek Myths"

[Brad from Georgia] Hmmm. I've been listening to two shows a day as I do my walk. I'd finished the run in the fifties, so I arbritrarily went back to 44-45.

[Mike Amo] Skeksis on display at Henson's studio

[Laura Leff] At least one is out on DVD...it's quite good.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--That's "The Storyteller," volume 2.

[Mike Amo] Listening to Jack a lot, but on XM Radio Classics while I drove 13,500 miles

[Brad from Georgia] The first volume is folk tales, with John Hurt as the Storyteller.

[KayLhota] I like the Grape nuts and early Lucky Strike period a lot.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yeah, that's it!

[Brad from Georgia] The second series has Michael Gambon in the role. I don't like him as much.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I've only seen the Michael Gambon episodes.

[Laura Leff] I wish there was more available.

[Brad from Georgia] Hurt is wonderful--he obviously loves the language, and it's superbly written. You can get it thru Netflix.

[KayLhota] One of my favorite Muppet things is "The Frog prince" from 1971

[Laura Leff] Brad - You sure? I put it in queue, but it just Saved it because it's not available yet.

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--one of our faves, too. The other is "Hey, Cinderella."

[KayLhota] Yes, "Hey Cinderella" is cute.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I watched it via streaming Netflix, so yes.

[Brad from Georgia] I also signed up for "Angels with Angles" on Netflix, but it isn't on DVD. Probably never will be....

[Laura Leff] Brad - Aha...I haven't done a lot of streaming from them.

[Laura Leff] Brad - For your sake, I hope not.  

[Laura Leff] Oh speaking of bad Benny-related movies...

[KayLhota] yes?

[Laura Leff] Someone from behind the scenes of "The Jet Benny Show" has given me some insights that I need to turn into an article

[Brad from Georgia] Since there are only a few of us...I asked Eddie why he didn't get cast as Jack Benny in that film. He said the actor who got the part had the nerve to ask him to let him replace Eddie in "Laughter in Bloom" for one show.

[Laura Leff] He asked EDDIE if he could replace him?!?!

[Brad from Georgia] Yep, so's he could get practice imitating Benny. Eddie was (politely) furious.

[Laura Leff] And moreover, the guy is ATROCIOUS!

[Laura Leff] Apologies if he ever happens to read this, but...well...*sigh*

[Brad from Georgia] So I've heard. I know two people who saw the movie, you and a guy who told me he would have left the theater halfway through if he had to saw his own leg off to do it.

[Laura Leff] What can you do.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes. "Angels With Angles: What Seemed Like 127 Hours"

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] Actually, having Irving Fein sleeping on my shoulder during it made it a little more fun.

[Brad from Georgia] The tiny clip that I saw featured mainly "WC Fields" and the "Marx Brothers," who at least looked their parts.

[Mike Amo] Never saw the movie

[Laura Leff] But that's not hard.

[Brad from Georgia] Rod Steiger did a passable WC Fields.

[KayLhota] when was this made?

[Brad from Georgia] But not in that film!

[Laura Leff] I saw it by going to the world premiere of it.

[Brad from Georgia] Which, oddly enough, was nearly the closing night of it, too.

[Laura Leff] 2005

[KayLhota] I can't imagine how I missed it.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Pretty much. I see the theatre where they did the premiere regularly and it's now closed.

[Brad from Georgia] I understand that the main problem was the writing, direction, and acting of the main roles. Some of the supporting players were good. Frank Gorshin as George Burns...

[Laura Leff] Frank plays a fine Burns, but he had lousy material to work with.

[Laura Leff] There's a strange sequence where he's riding back and forth on a motorcycle in the background, doing wheelies, etc.

[Brad from Georgia] Shame. His last film, Rodney Dangerfield's last film...

[Laura Leff] Oh...but here's a good part of the movie...if I can remember it

User ed has entered this room.

[Laura Leff] I think Adam West plays Alfred

[KayLhota] hey, Hi Ed

[Laura Leff] Hi Ed!

[Brad from Georgia] Hey, ed! You came up from the vault!

[Mike Amo] Hi Ed

[ed] hi everyone glad to come even if i am late

[Brad from Georgia] Which is funny 'cause Batman's butler was Alfred...

[Laura Leff] Brad - And that's the joke exactly.

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's the one part of the movie I remember being a little funny.

[KayLhota] geesh

[Brad from Georgia] Yip yip yhtapmys, yip yip yhtapmys, drive your blues away....

[ed] alfred the butler alan napier is the grandfather of the second chris partridge brian forster

[Laura Leff] Oh, and the sound editing is poor as well. I think I've told you that in an early scene, Irving turned to me and said loudly, "Can you understand ANYTHING they're saying?"

[KayLhota] what a shame

[Brad from Georgia] And Brian Forster is the grandfather of Michael Caine...this means something....

[ed] huh???

[Brad from Georgia] Just being nutty.

[ed] oh

[KayLhota] my head is spinning

[Laura Leff] Who worked with Kevin Bacon in...

[Brad from Georgia] "Bringin' Home the Bacon."

[KayLhota] I've seen Alan Napier in movies in the 1940's and he looks and sounds the same, just not a wrinkly

[ed] napier is related to charles dickens

[Brad from Georgia] "Ma and Pa Kettle Bring Home the Bacon."

[Laura Leff] If you Can't Bacon Every Night, You Can't Bake At All

[Brad from Georgia] "The Devil and Kevin Bacon."

[Brad from Georgia] "Bacon Whoopee"

[Laura Leff] The Devin and Kevil Bacon

[Laura Leff] Welcome to the Free Association section of the IJBFC chat room

[KayLhota] So much for Baconian wit

[Laura Leff] Francis Bacon

[ed] bacon in the morning bacon in the evening bacon at suppertime

[Brad from Georgia] I recently saw "Action in the North Atlantic." Humphrey Bogart did his own stunts, but he had someone else eat the bacon in the diner scene.

[Brad from Georgia] "Bacon County Line"

[KayLhota] That was on yesterdday morning on TCM

[Laura Leff] Easy Bacon Oven

[Brad from Georgia] Yup, I Tivo'd it because I'd never seen it all the way through.

[KayLhota] I still haven't!

[KayLhota] I don't have a DVR or a TIVO.

[Laura Leff] Bacon-flavored Jell-O

[Laura Leff] TIVO-flavored Jell-O

[Brad from Georgia] There's some WWII-era movie I caught on TCM...plot is sort of a cross-country trip with a gal and a soldier...and Jack Benny has a cameo as himself. I didn't know the title and never did check.

[Laura Leff] Jell-O flavored TIVO

[Laura Leff] Brad - Um....

[Laura Leff] ???

[Laura Leff] Really?

[Laura Leff] You sure?

[KayLhota] I was telling my son at dinnertime about how I used to eat peanut butter and bacon sandwiches during my skinny youth

[Laura Leff] Kay - When you had the metabolism of a garden shrew

[Brad from Georgia] Jack's scene is in a train station. The gal is a writer, and Jack exchanges a few words with her.

[KayLhota] can't go near them now

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh...crap...wracking my brain...

[Brad from Georgia] I saw this thing about two in the morning, so I can't remember who else was in it....

[Brad from Georgia] Anyway, the thing is...Jack played himself.

[Brad from Georgia] And he wasn't at all convincing.

[KayLhota] Oh, I know the movie!

[KayLhota] Claudette Colbert and John Wayne

[Brad from Georgia] You nailed it, Kay.

[Brad from Georgia] Unusual role for Wayne. He played Frankie Remley.

[Laura Leff] Well, that should narrow it down

[KayLhota] I'm blanking on the title

[KayLhota] I can look it up

[Laura Leff] Looking it up on IMDB

[Laura Leff] Without Reservations?

[Brad from Georgia] Yup, it's "Without Reservations."

[KayLhota] yes

[Laura Leff] Huh!

[Brad from Georgia] Saw it while sitting up with my mom when she was in the hospital a couple of years ago. I had no idea that Jack was in it. Not a great movie.

[Laura Leff] Something new for Volume 4...

[Laura Leff] Just wrote it in my working copy of 39 Forever First Edition!

[KayLhota] Colbert is an author that has written a novel, and she meets John Wayne on the train and he is her novel hero in flesh

[Laura Leff] Oh how...formulaic.

[Laura Leff] I guess in 1946 there was a lot of money to make movies.

[KayLhota] there was, laura.

[ed] did a collector's day at the Illinois state museum yesterday and my cathedral radio bank had 39 cents in it because of jack

[Brad from Georgia] Jack was uncredited, according ti IMDB, but they do list him. He had about a 1-minute scene.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yep, noticed that!

[Brad from Georgia] to IMDB....

[KayLhota] it was after 1946 that the studios cut back production and cut down their actors roster

[Laura Leff] Ed - Great! Was that all you had there?

[ed] no had a baseball sports theme and played a lux with joe e brown

[Laura Leff] Kay - Right...IIRC, 1946 was the biggest money-making year for the movies as far as the number of people going to theatres.

[Brad from Georgia] Joe E. Brown was once sued by Bert Lahr.

[Laura Leff] Brad - For what?

[Laura Leff] Did he try to steal the cowardly lion?

[ed] they looked alike?

[Laura Leff] I don't think they look alike...

[Brad from Georgia] Silly thing. Lahr had been promised a role in a play, but he held out for more money, they cast Brown, Lahr claimed he was entitled to recompense because Brown resembled Lahr....

[Laura Leff] Lahr has the nose...Brown has the mouth

[KayLhota] For playing Bert's role in the movie version of "Hold Everything" and stealing every bit of Bert's business including "Yong, ong ong!"

[Brad from Georgia] Case was thrown out.

[Brad from Georgia] Kay, yes, that was it. Lahr thought he had been promised the movie role.

[Laura Leff] Sounds a tad like Al Jolson getting "The Jazz Singer" instead of Georgie Jessel.

[KayLhota] The film elements of it are lost, but I got the chance to hear the vitaphone disc, and by golly--Joe sounded just like bert Lahr

[Brad from Georgia] Did Georgie sue Jolie?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Not as far as I know. But I don't think he was happy about the switch.

[Laura Leff] I can't remember the specifics.

[KayLhota] Georgie didn't sue Jolson but he never forgave him for being a hit

[Laura Leff] Now the two of them are just steps away from each other at Hillside.

[Laura Leff] Sadly, I think I'm the only one who still visits Jessel's grave.

[Brad from Georgia] In his autobiography, Brown said he had never seen Lahr in the play and followed the director's lead. Lahr's son said he didn't think the film role was a great loss for his dad.

[KayLhota] ironic twist of fate, laura

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I visited it when I was in LA a few years back (when I brought pebbles for Jack's grave, but also left some change because others were leaving pennies).

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sorry for not knowing...did this predate "Oz"?

[KayLhota] Brad, "Hold Everything" is a lost film, and Bert Lahr got his screen chance in "flying High"

[Laura Leff] Since you said Vitaphone, I'm assuming it did.

[KayLhota] yes, Laura

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Yes, by some years.

[KayLhota] Bert Lahr did "Flying High" in 1931

[Laura Leff] Brad - I got asked by some folks at Hillside about people leaving pennies at Jack's grave when I was doing some maintenance on it.

[Brad from Georgia] So "Hold Everything" was '29 or '30.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Gee, didn't they get it?

[Laura Leff] Gotcha. Thanks.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Well, I think they were looking for confirmation. They had a few other questions as well.

[Laura Leff] And actually, they weren't Jewish, so I had to explain to them about leaving rocks.

[Brad from Georgia] Like "How did he take it with him?"

[Laura Leff] And then how that translates to pennies for Jack.

[Laura Leff] Brad - "Well, we keep leaving it and eventually it disappears, so we figure he's got a transporter somewhere!"

[Brad from Georgia] You know, I actually went to a stream and found the prettiest Georgia pebbles that I could for Barbara and me to leave. I felt I owed it to Jack for all the laughter.

[KayLhota] brilliant!

[ed] i also showed off my 1946 philco '46/350 radio it was a big hit with all who showed up

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's great. I think I remember someone telling people who were coming to the 2003 convention to bring rocks from all over the country.

[ed] and a few JB radio show records

[Brad from Georgia] Whoo! I always thought my parents had an Atwater-Kent, but they also had a Philco, which no longer works.

[Laura Leff] Ed - Very nice...remind me, is that a floor or table model?

[Laura Leff] Oh I see it...just Googled that model

[ed] table works but has now cloth handle

[Laura Leff] Lovely wooden louvers

[ed] no*

[ed] yes LL

[Brad from Georgia] My uncle had a floor-model radio that I wish I had today. It had ELEVEN BANDS, including aircraft, naval, and some that hadn't yet been invented, I think. And a bazillion buttons.

[Laura Leff] The woman who married my father sold my Recordio before I could get back to it. But oh well...I don't have room for it anyway.

[ed] paid $20 for it worth much more since it works

[Brad from Georgia] And I think I remarked once that my eccentric great-aunt Mary had an Edison wax cylinder phonograph.

[Mike Amo] My grandparents had one like that, Brad...wish I could remember what the model was...and wish I had gotten it when they passed away...I have no idea where it went, but I figure it was trhown away  

[Laura Leff] Brad - What kind? Like a lunchbox model?

[Brad from Georgia] Those maroon buttons fascinated me. You could pre-tune about fifty stations, i estimate.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Floor model, with an enormous horn.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oooh...neat!

[Laura Leff] I've got a lunchbox model with a brass belled horn, but it's small.

[Brad from Georgia] I can only remember a couple of the recordings...one was William Jennings Bryan. He gave part of the "Cross of Gold" speech and then sang "That's What I Like about the South."

[Laura Leff] Even portable.

[Laura Leff] Brad -  

[KayLhota] Brad!

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] Golden throat indeed

[Brad from Georgia] Willie swung a little.

[Laura Leff] The things you learn

[Laura Leff] Say...any requests for next month?

[ed] all I can say i had a blast and soon i will have it on my site www.afanofoldradio.org

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, we're going into the studio in Dec. to record "The Dancer in the Dark," which is a horror radio show in five parts.

[ed] the picture they took

[Brad from Georgia] I play an elderly New England professor in the H.P. Lovecraft tradition. Anyone wants to hear it, I'll see if I can wangle a few disks. They don't pay me for these...

[Laura Leff] Brad - Too bad you can't post it online

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I suggested this month's show, and look at the small turnout. I leave it in your hands.

[Laura Leff] You should be a New England professor in the Parker Fennelley tradition

[Mike Amo] Good night for me, Brad!

[Laura Leff] OK. Being a December chat, it's easy to narrow it.

[ed] sounds great brad send it to the US mail address listed on my site

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, if you go to Youtube and look up "Atlanta Radio Theatre" and "Guards! Guards!" you can hear me and my son in a Terry Pratchett adaptation. I play Sergeant Colon, he plays Nobby Nobbs.

[Laura Leff] Oh cool!

[Laura Leff] Have the book, but haven't read it.

[KayLhota] that must be wonderful Brad

[KayLhota] I'll have to look out for it

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I use Parker Fennelly as a way of getting the voice. I start with "Pep'ridge Fahm remembahs."

[ed] wow

[Brad from Georgia] In the end, I wind up sounding a lot like the later Katherine Hepburn.

[Laura Leff] That's a good way to get in character

[Mike Amo] :D

[Mike Amo]  

[KayLhota] yes, that does say New England, and I would know!

[Laura Leff] As long as you're not exhaling at the end of each line: "Howdy Bub *ehhhh*"

[Brad from Georgia] All voice actors have their little touchstones. For Jiminy Cricket, Eddie used to repeat, "Ya know, Pinohch' if ya tell a lie, your nose will grow an' grow" until he got into the mood.

[Brad from Georgia] Should be Pinoch' o' course.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh yes, I heard him pull that line any number of times.

[Laura Leff] I was at a Paley Center event with Bob Hope

[Laura Leff] Er...Bob Newhart

[Laura Leff] Duh

[Brad from Georgia] I wasn't aware of what I was doing--sounding like a male Hepburn--'til I heard a playback of some of the narration (which I recorded last summer). Then I had to reproduce it!

[Laura Leff] And seeing Bob Newhart made me miss Eddie.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Did they know each other? I know Newhart had a soft spot for Jack Benny.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh, and it's so hard to reproduce yourself after you've heard the recording!

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'm trying to find that out. I'm pretty sure they crossed paths, but I'm having a hard time getting Newhart's publicist to respond to me.

[Laura Leff] I was the next in line to talk with him when they ushered him out.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Yup. The director stopped me halfway through the rehearsal to tell me I'd changed the voice and was sounding like Mr. Peabody the dog from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show.

[ed] oh LL the JB impersonator who was here in Springfield in 2003 was jack milo

[Laura Leff] Ed - Yes, I remember that name. Was he any good?

[ed] i found the newspaper article for museum day

[Laura Leff] I'm getting a demo DVD of another Benny impersonator.

[Brad from Georgia] Thing about Eddie was he didn't impersonate Jack, he acted him.

[Laura Leff] I'm not expecting to find another Eddie, but would be good to have someone up my sleeve.

[Laura Leff] Brad -Yes, well-said.

[ed] yes i had to close my eyes and listen i remember that

[Mike Amo] I talked with Bill Daly in Atlanta (from I Dream of Jeannie)...his favorite comedian...Jack

[Brad from Georgia] LL--did I send you the "Jack Listens to 'Lights Out'" script? I don't remember.

[Laura Leff] Brad - It's not ringing a bell.

[Brad from Georgia] It's the fanscript I did back around 1990 or so. It ain't so good as I remember it, but...I'll dig it up and send it.

[Laura Leff] Yes, please! And let me know if I can put it on the Web site, if appropriate.

[Brad from Georgia] (I also wrote a movie short at the same time: The Stooges Meet the Alien," with Larry, Moe, Curly AND Shemp VS the Alien from "Alien."

[Laura Leff] Brad - I have a friend who would probably enjoy that if you feel like sharing it...

[Brad from Georgia] OK. I may have to go thru and fix glitches--we had to translate it from a 5.25-inch floppy disk.

[ed] the 3 stooge movie jim carrey was thinking about doing is being shelved

[Laura Leff] At least you didn't have to translate it from wire recording.  

[KayLhota] Which reminds me that the Three Stooges Farrelly brothers movie is not going forward anymore

[Laura Leff] Jim Carrey should stick to doing Jerry Lewis.

[Brad from Georgia] Wire recording? Wire-a no duck?

[ed] really LL hollywood can't come with better movies anyway

[Laura Leff] Oh, we were trying to figure out a telecom acronym in a meeting recently, and it's usually "LD" for Leased Duct.

[Brad from Georgia] I am soooooooo sick of movies based on video games, old Japanese cartoons, sitcoms that weren't funny in the first place.....

[Laura Leff] But in this spreadsheet, it was written "LV". And we were trying to figure it out.

[Brad from Georgia] Leased Viaduct, of course.

[Laura Leff] And my Systems Analyst (very serious) turns to me and says, "Leased Viaduct."

[Laura Leff] I turned to her and said, "Hey, I'm not going to play the Marx Brothers with you here."

[Laura Leff] My boss, who is very cool and knowledgeable about older comedy, started laughing.

[KayLhota] that's marvelous!

[Brad from Georgia] I go to the movies nowadays and think of Krusty the Klown: "Ahhh, I could pull a better movie out of my--ahhh, boys and girls, we're back!"

[Laura Leff] Later someone started talking about Triggers, and I said something about Roy Rogers' horse. It was that kind of day.

[Brad from Georgia] Did Roy Rogers ever do a guest shot for Jack?

[KayLhota] it sounds very surreal

[Brad from Georgia] I could see Jack discovering that Trigger the Wonder Horse was really two guys in a suit....

[Laura Leff] Brad - Not of which I'm aware. They might have been on one of the multi-star shows together, but ask me again in a few years about that.

[KayLhota] Roy Rogers and Dale Evans guested on the Muppet show

[Laura Leff] Brad - And one of them is (Remley, Fred Allen, Rochester, Frank Nelson, etc.)

[Brad from Georgia] When my desk computer shuts down, it plays "Happy Trails to You."

[Laura Leff] And on that note...

[Brad from Georgia] LL--That would be great. "You're Trigger?" "Well, who did you THINK I was in this bridle? A PONY boy?"

[Laura Leff] Brad - OH, that's good.

[Laura Leff] I can just hear it

[ed] hmmm

[Brad from Georgia] Yeh, but it's a little blue....

[Laura Leff] Or Rochester with something like, "On my salary, I had to find SOME other way of getting my oats!"

[Laura Leff] Not as good as your line, though.

[Brad from Georgia] "But--didn't it hurt when they branded you?" "OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH, did it!"

[Laura Leff] (Joe Besser delivery) "I don't mind the bit so much, but the shoes are MURRRRDER!"

[KayLhota] dying here!

[Brad from Georgia] Jack playing Gabby Hayes opposite Roy.....

[KayLhota] No, Dennis would play Gabby Hayes!

[Laura Leff] Are you Trigger?

[Laura Leff] Si.

[Laura Leff] And you're a horse?

[Laura Leff] Si.

[Laura Leff] Argh...don't have anywhere to go with that.

[Brad from Georgia] So?

[Mike Amo]  

[Mike Amo] Heard Jerry Lewis as Trigger with Roy & Dale on a Martin-Lewis show

[Laura Leff] A Mexican horse as opposed to an English horse

[Brad from Georgia] "Gabby, we've got to get the bad guy out of his hide-out. Break out your fiddle."

[Laura Leff] Actually, the discussion about "Without Reservations" reminded me that Jack was in "Who Was That Lady" with Dean Martin

[Brad from Georgia] Hope he wasn't playing the title role.

[Laura Leff] On second thought, just break your fiddle.

[Brad from Georgia] Fred Allen as Roy Rogers....

[Laura Leff] Brad - I did recently see a cute exchange with Jack and Jayne Mansfield where Jack lost a part to her.

[Brad from Georgia] Jayne had parts that Jack could only dream of.

[Laura Leff] Indeed.

[KayLhota] folks, I'm fading out here, so I'll see you next month. goodnight!

[ed] night kaye

[Laura Leff] OK, goodnight Kay. Shall we call it good?

[Mike Amo] Goodnight Kay

[Brad from Georgia] I'll go, too. 'Sbeen small but fun. Bye, y'all~

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[Mike Amo] Cya Brad

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[Laura Leff] Have a good one folks! See you in December.

[Mike Amo] Take care, LL!

[ed] same here my picture