IJBFC Chat - September 12, 2010

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[steve -shimp-] Wonder where Laura is...

[steve -shimp-] speak of the devil

[Chasitykins] Haha

[Josef] Hi Laura

[Laura Leff] Hi folks...apologies, be right back!

[KayLhota] hi laura

[steve -shimp-] Hi Laura

[ed] good luck steve that area i hear is real nice

[steve -shimp-] so far so good. It's been awhile since I've lived in a big city, so it's an adjustment

[steve -shimp-] more people than I care to shake a stick at

[Laura Leff] HI folks!

[ed] and think steve you can join reps and go to their radio show convention in june

[ed] hi LL

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Sounds like you made it safely to the coast?

[steve -shimp-] yes, thanks!

[Laura Leff] Mazel tov!

[steve -shimp-]  

[steve -shimp-] loooong drive.

[Laura Leff] How's everyone else doing tonight?

[steve -shimp-] 8 days

[Chasitykins] 8 days! Steve, I couldn't have done it.

[Laura Leff] Welcome in Chasitykins...I think this is your first time here in the chat?

[Chasitykins] Yes it is, Laura.  Thank you.

[KayLhota] good but zonked. we went to an amusement park yesterday

[steve -shimp-] which one Kay?

[Brad from Georgia] Doing well, but school is crazy this year.

[KayLhota] Canobie lake Park in Hew Hampshire

[KayLhota] oops New Hampshire

[Josef] I'm pretty good. day before classes start for me....last semester

[Laura Leff] New Hamster

[steve -shimp-] nice

[KayLhota] beautiful day.

[Laura Leff] How you doing, Ed?

[ed] doing just fine LL great day here in the land of lincoln

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Thanks for the post re Jennifer's fan fic...she was quite delighted by it

[Laura Leff] I haven't checked back if she responded on the Forum, but I called her attention to it

[Chasitykins] It was my pleasure. I hope we'll see more from her.

[Laura Leff] So what do you all think about the show for discussion tonight?

[steve -shimp-] It's a famous one!

[Laura Leff] Chasity - FYI, I just posted an additional Fathers' Day script on the same page last night.

[Josef] sure is. One of my personal favorite episodes

[Chasitykins] That was a different show, that's for sure. Not hearing JB until almost the end. But I adored it.

[steve -shimp-] I have some cast questions since 39 forever is still packed away

[steve -shimp-] Was Doris Singleton playing Pauline? And who played Susie?

[Laura Leff] And, of course, one of the sources of Benny mythology that's probably only surpassed by the myth that "Your money or your life" was the longest laugh ever.

[Brad from Georgia] Funny, I ALWAYS recall it as Jack's having only one line--"Driver, this is my stop." But of course the studio aduience would have felt cheated!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, and Dorothy (?)

[steve -shimp-] right, jack comes in, what, 3/4 or 2/3 of the way in?

[Laura Leff] 22:10 in

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] Steve - I don't have a last name on Susie's actress.

[steve -shimp-] Hmmm. I wonder who Dorothy might be

[Brad from Georgia] Wonderful showcase for Frank Nelson.

[steve -shimp-] oh, I agree Brad.

[Josef] Yes, agreed!

[Laura Leff] It took me a minute to be sure it was Joe Kearns as Tom

[Chasitykins] It was nice to hear him playing the frustrated person for once, haha.

[Laura Leff] I absolutely love Phil's stumble on "the Big Derby"

[Brad from Georgia] Hmm...I wonder if it might have been Dorothy Dandridge?

[Laura Leff] and subsequent ad libbing

[steve -shimp-] I thought it was a little unusual that Mary got the "Fonzie" applause on her entrance

[Laura Leff] I should check what the original script was.

[steve -shimp-] Yeah, loved the Phil bit. I wonder if Jack was irritated by him ad-libbing?

[Brad from Georgia] He must have just had some cabbage, Laura.

[Laura Leff] I heard a show once where Jack actually got mad on air about the ad libbing.

[Laura Leff] Obviously someone said to "cut it" and they cued the transition music...that almost certainly was Jack.

[steve -shimp-] yeah, isn't there something about that in the latest TIMES?

[Brad from Georgia] Which show was that, Laura?

[steve -shimp-] (which is great, btw - came in my forwarded mail)

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, Dick Lane talks about how Jack always directed/produced the shows.

[steve -shimp-] right, the Dick Lane interview.

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, I'll make a note to throw your address over to the new one. If you could also send me a reminder E-mail to update it in the online database, that would be great.

[steve -shimp-] oh, sure thing. I'm way behind on e-mail.

[Laura Leff] Let's see...got the script...let me scan it and I'll let you know. Keep talking!

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, Laura, I'm mailing a copy of the Times to "Oz" Dillman, who built Eddie's prop mike and met him when he came to GA.

[Laura Leff] Oh interesting...

[Laura Leff] Brad - OK, great! Glad to know you got it.

[Brad from Georgia] Thanks a million!

[Laura Leff] Not too much ad libbing. The original line: "You see, this is the first show of the season and maybe after the program Mr. Benny will take the cast out to the Brown Derby for a big...(TAKE) Say, I musta ate more of them cabbages than I thought...See you

[Laura Leff] later, Tom.

[Laura Leff] Funny how that line is even better with the blooper!

[Brad from Georgia] Everything goes better with bloopers.

[Chasitykins] I agree, the fluff makes it way better.

[Laura Leff] Oh sorry...Jack appears 22:16 into the show.

[Josef] That is true, I loved the blooper

[Laura Leff] What other thoughts, comments?

[Brad from Georgia] I really liked the way Dennis's "scotch tape" gag paid off at the end.

[Chasitykins] Haha, Brad - I nearly spilled my lemonade over that bit

[Laura Leff] Funny how they recycle the appendix gag over and over in different forms

[KayLhota] it is an amazing script that gives you so much character stuff from the entire cast

[Brad from Georgia] Verna Felton had some really funny bits, too.

[Laura Leff] Jack taking out Rochester's appendix, Jack having a medical scene written into his show to have his appendix taken out, etc.

[KayLhota] it is a solid episode

[steve -shimp-] Roch's "yeeeah" about Susie's dress being tight got a big laugh, thought that was interesting

[Brad from Georgia] "Why can't he get married and move out like other sons?"

[Laura Leff] And they use that gag on their first television show!

[Laura Leff] That gag = dress is so tight

[steve -shimp-] Usually black men weren't allowed to show much libido ...

[Laura Leff] That's a very good point

[Brad from Georgia] Didn't QUITE top Eddie Anderson's "Hershey bar with the almonds in the right places: line, but---good, none the less.

[steve -shimp-] yeah, that sprang to mind for me too, Brad

[Laura Leff] That line is clever, but "yeahhhh" needs delivery

[Brad from Georgia] You kin tell I'm on mah laptop 'cause my fat fingers keep hitting the wrong punctuation marks....

[Chasitykins] Brad, I think you would die if you were using my baby netbook, haha. I can't type on normal keyboards anymore.

[steve -shimp-] Anyway I wonder if Brad might be right on Dorothy Dandridge as Susie

[Brad from Georgia] I thought the funnest Rochester line was, "Yeah, but now I'm trying to think of somebody who can take YOU."

[Josef] I loved that line, Brad.

[steve -shimp-] she would've been doing bits like that in radio at the time

[Brad from Georgia] Mine's actually an ASUS netbook. I've been working on my novel downstairs in my office, and I got claustrophobic, so now I'm sitting propped up in bed typing.

[Laura Leff] Any evidence that Dandridge was doing bit parts in radio at this time?

[Brad from Georgia] Dandridge was a MUCH underrated talent, I think. She had acting and singing chops that rarely got used.

[steve -shimp-] it's in her wikipedia entry

[steve -shimp-] take that for what you will ...

[Laura Leff] Indeed

[Chasitykins] It would be interesting to find another radio show where we know it's her from the time period and compare

[steve -shimp-] It'd be a fun voice comparison

[steve -shimp-] right

[Laura Leff] Absolutely.

[Laura Leff] Everyone was able to ID the other voices?

[Brad from Georgia] Dorothy's sister Vivian is the voice of "So White" in the infamous Warner Bros. "Coal Black an de Sebben Dwarfs" cartoon; I think that was made in '42.

[Laura Leff] Whoa...I don't think I've seen that one!

[Brad from Georgia] Okay, who was the male tourist on the bus? I've forgotten the character's name.

[KayLhota] is "so White" on youtube?

[Laura Leff] I'll hold back and see if someone else got it

[Josef] I had the same question Brad.

[Laura Leff] Fortunately, watching all the TV shows, I've heard/seen that actor so often that I'm now able to ID him readily.

[Brad from Georgia] It's online somewhere, I'm sure. It's one of the "Censored 11" and is definitely racist--though it has an almost all-black cast (Mel Blanc being the sole exception).

[Laura Leff] No one knows who played Henry Fitzpatrick?

[KayLhota] yes, I've seen it, but never a print that wasn't red and dupey

[Chasitykins] Reveal to us, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Come on, Kay...you should be able to ID that actor.

[Josef] I know I've heard his voice a bunch, but can't place a name to it

[Laura Leff] OK, OK...it's Herb Vigran.

[Laura Leff] And who plays his wife? That should be easy.

[KayLhota] oh. I'm sorry. I wasn't sharp tonight

[steve -shimp-] Herb Vigran's in a LOT of the TV shows

[Josef] Bea benaderat, right?

[Brad from Georgia] It's at www.mostoffensivevideo.c иии ned.html Be warned, though; "Coal Black" is extremely un-PC.

[ed] great voice talent he shows up several JB TV shows

[Laura Leff] Yes, a LOT!

[KayLhota] I knew Herb Vigran was in the cast of the episode, but I couldn't remember who he played

[steve -shimp-] You can see his eyebrows coming a million miles away

[Brad from Georgia] That should have been ....video.com/banned.html.

[KayLhota] I didn't get a chance to hear tonight's episode tonight. I last heard it about 3 years ago.

[steve -shimp-] I guess Vol. 3 would answer this but I wonder if Benny Rubin or Herb Vigran did more guest shots on TV. I'd bet they're really close.

[Brad from Georgia] Yeah, Vigran is one of those "I've seen him in SOMETHING before" kind of guys.

[Laura Leff] I always have to listen to the shows again before the chat...so much Benny being parsed through my brain for research that the details fade over time.

[KayLhota] oh, when I saw him in "Amazon Women On the Moon" I couldn't believe he was still alive

[Laura Leff] Steve - Actually, I can take that bet right now. I'll go see.

[Laura Leff] Anyone want to venture a guess? Who was on more on TV...Benny Rubin or Herb Vigran?

[steve -shimp-] Hmmm. I'm putting a nickel on Rubin.

[Brad from Georgia] I'd say Rubin, too.

[Josef] Rubin

[KayLhota] I'm betting on Herb Vigran

[Laura Leff] It will take me a few minutes to figure it...I'll be Bach...

[Chasitykins] I'm betting Rubin.

[Laura Leff] But keep going folks!

[ed] coal black is also on youtube just saw the intro to the cartoon logo merrie melodies runs about 7 minutes

[steve -shimp-] Are you going to be Johann or Catherine Bach?

[KayLhota] oh good, you found the cartoon on Youtube.

[Laura Leff] Herb Vigran - 23 appearances

[ed] yes

[Brad from Georgia] Surprising, that.

[Josef] yeah

[Laura Leff] Benny Rubin....

[steve -shimp-] I love getting sneak prevue data of Vol. 3 ... can I just say.

[ed] it's not your father's cartoon

[Laura Leff] *drumroll*

[Laura Leff] *suspense building*

[Laura Leff] Any guesses?

[steve -shimp-] 54

[Chasitykins] 39!

[ed] Suspense

[Josef] 29

[Laura Leff] Come on, everyone in the pool

[Laura Leff] Price is Right rules

[KayLhota] 21

[ed] how about 50

[Brad from Georgia] Ok...41

[steve -shimp-] one dollar

[ed] my age

[Laura Leff] Steve wins based on Price is Right rules...65!!!!!!

[ed] the yodler just fell over

[KayLhota] wow

[steve -shimp-] cha ching!!!

[Chasitykins] Holy moley!

[Josef] oh wow!

[Laura Leff]  

[Brad from Georgia] Should've guessed my age. At least I picked the right guy.

[steve -shimp-] That's about a third of them, right? How many total TV shows again?

[ed] 22

[KayLhota] So, Benny Rubin did a lot of the program. I hope to see more of them one day.

[Laura Leff] Fortunately, my cast listings are pretty complete already, even though I've still got a number of shows to see

[Laura Leff] Steve - 261, not counting reruns

[ed] wow

[steve -shimp-] does that include the specials?

[Laura Leff] Steve - No, just regular series TV shows

[steve -shimp-] wow

[Laura Leff] 10/1950 - 4/1965

[steve -shimp-] so about a 1 in 4 chance of seeing Benny on Benny.

[KayLhota] Did Benny rubin do any of the later NBC specials, Laura?

[Laura Leff] I am 72% through viewing the television shows. (she said proudly)

[steve -shimp-] bravo

[KayLhota] that is something to be proud of!

[Laura Leff] Kay - Hmmm...probably. I haven't done the cast lists for those yet. Volume 4.

[ed] let's give a big hand for LL

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, I was looking through an old stack of floppy disks the other day and discovered my Jack Benny fanscript that I wrote back in 1996. I had to get the IT folks at school to translate it into Word so I can read it. When I dare...

[Laura Leff] Ah thanks...

[Josef] *claps hands

[Brad from Georgia] It's probably nowhere near as funny as I used to think it was.

[Chasitykins] Brad, I absolutely want to read it, hahaha.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Send it over so I can add it to the fan fic

[Chasitykins] We should have a forum game where we make an episode of JB, one line at a time.

[Brad from Georgia] Let me have some time to look at it first...might be too embarrassing! The title is "Jack Listens to 'Lights Out,'" and it deliberately scrambles chronology.

[Laura Leff] Benny mad libs

[steve -shimp-] I think there was one like that for awhile Chas ... you should search it out and restart that!

[Laura Leff] I still like when we take some modern thing, like "Pulp Fiction" or "Star Trek" and recast it with the Benny characters

[ed] instead of saying im thinking it over he says i forgot my wallet

[Laura Leff] Somehow it just doesn't play the same

[Brad from Georgia] I wisht the Cartoon Network would get the rights to do an animated Jack Benny show. Wait a minute, they brought us "Squidbillies." I take it back.

[Laura Leff] But it's about on par with some of the misquotes I've heard of that line

[Laura Leff] Brad - And who does the show...um...it's been mentioned on the forum

[Laura Leff] There's some kids show that has a Jack and Mary and some takeoff on the Sportsmen Quartet, etc.

[steve -shimp-] "Jack's Big Music Show"

[Laura Leff] That's it

[ed] shew

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, yeah--"Jack's Big--darn you, Steve!

[steve -shimp-] There's a "Mel" on it too

[Laura Leff] No no...that's an adult movie

[Chasitykins] Hahaha

[Laura Leff] Or a Tijuana Bible

[Chasitykins] Oh, a JB Tijuana Bible...

[Chasitykins] that would be horrifying.

[KayLhota] hoo boy

[Josef] sure would

[Laura Leff] Chasity - There is one

[Chasitykins] I don't want to see it. Ever.

[Laura Leff] Or it's really a Mary Livingstone TB, Jack's not in it

[Brad from Georgia] On a cartoon discussion group recently someone asked if anyone could identify a "classic cartoon grouch." I guessed right--he was thinking of the Ned Sparks caricatures. I mentioned "Malibu Beach Party."

[steve -shimp-] You can buy it from a guy named Sy.

[Laura Leff] There's an Alice Faye one as well. At least one.

[ed] see

[KayLhota] yes, it was Ned Sparks and Baby Snooks

[ed] si

[Laura Leff] Brad - Funny, I think of Ned Sparks as a live-action grouch.

[Brad from Georgia] There's a Phil Harris one, but he passes out in the first panel, and the rest is just a notebook.

[Chasitykins] LOL, brad

[Laura Leff] Brad - Har har

[KayLhota] oh my

[Brad from Georgia] LL--the questioner didn't know there was a real Ned Sparks, alas. You know, the voice of Squidward in "Spongebob" is a lot like Ned's, though the animators supposedly based the character on Jack.

[Laura Leff] I was telling Dan that I noticed I've fallen into filling a character at my Jewish group, where I am asked a question by one of the leaders and give some kind of humorous, cynical answer.

[Laura Leff] I said, "I'm Keneset Ha Lev's Ned Sparks. Or Fred Allen."

[Brad from Georgia] So by you that's a bad thing?

[Laura Leff] Not necessarily...it seems to get laughs

[KayLhota] aww, good.

[Brad from Georgia] I'm kidding. I kid because I love.

[Laura Leff] The Maggid asked me how I made the challah. I said, "With my hands."


[Laura Leff] That sort of thing

[Laura Leff] And a bunch of ingrediments

[Laura Leff] Maybe I'll try cimerron challah some day

[KayLhota] oh, that makes me hungry for cimarron rolls

[Laura Leff] But anyhow...enough about me. What do you think about me?

[steve -shimp-]  

[Laura Leff] Sad that Ned isn't better known.

[Laura Leff] He plays Mary's boyfriend in "This Way Please"

[KayLhota] I love you, Laura. I'm still chuckling

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, the "by you" reminds me that last week I got a tune stuck in my head: "Bei Mir Bist du Schoen." Trust me to get a 73-year-old earworm.

[Laura Leff] How Ned Sparks got to be anybody's boyfriend is beyond me, but there's got to be a joke there about it being Mary.

[steve -shimp-] He drew the short straw?

[Laura Leff] Brad - I get those all the time

[Brad from Georgia] What was the backstage musical in which Ned was a bigtime but impoverished Broadway producer...of girlie-type musical COMEDIES, for cryin out loud.

[Laura Leff] Brad - The Barry Sisters version or the Andrews Sisters?

[KayLhota] Golddiggers of 1933

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Dennis Day's of course. "Vunderbar" had an Irish accent.

[Brad from Georgia] Right, Kay!

[Laura Leff] I don't like to go anywhere...I don't like to do anything...I don't like to have A-NY fun!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh silly me.

[Brad from Georgia] "I don't WANT to be covered with sand."

[Laura Leff] (Apologies to anyone who hasn't seen "Malibu Beach Party" and doesn't get the reference.)

[Laura Leff] WAHHHHHHHH!

[Brad from Georgia] "Aw, shut up, ya ol' crab!"

[Chasitykins] Haha XD

[Laura Leff]  

[ed] yes

[Laura Leff] See, it's more fun throwing lines from other stuff at each other

[Laura Leff] Well, at least if we all KNOW it.

[KayLhota] laura, do you remember when I wrote out every personality that cartoon and sent it to you?

[Laura Leff] Sometimes this crowd gets on a tear of Pogo lines and I'm the one in the dust.

[Brad from Georgia] You know, I did sort of miss Mel in tonight's show.

[KayLhota] There was only one that I do not know.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, I remember that.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Mel was in tonight's show.

[Brad from Georgia] Was he? How'd I miss him?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Apparently you did miss Mel in tonight's show.

[Josef] Brad, he was the guy in the crowd at the end of the show. had like two lines to jack

[Laura Leff] Cracker jack

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, yeh! Completely forgot that! (I listened to the show on Friday as I drove 130 miles to Milledgeville, GA. for a committee meeting).

[Brad from Georgia] Last week on my walk I heard Mel's classic English horse: "Whinnnnnnnnnnnny...aw-haw, haw!"

[KayLhota] that's such a brilliant bit

[Josef] It is.

[Laura Leff] IIRC, on the show where Mel returns and is in a wheelchair, I think he does that bit as well.

[Laura Leff] I wish I could spring that show.

[Brad from Georgia] The story was that the writers were just teasing Mel when they wrote the line--but he came through.

[KayLhota] CBS likes to hold it hostage, huh?

[Laura Leff] Oh hey, I hope it wouldn't be too indulgent if I shared a really proud moment with y'all.

[Chasitykins] Share away, southern belle.

[KayLhota] share!

[Josef] go ahead!

[Laura Leff] Kay - I don't think that one's at CBS...I'd have to check if it's NBC owned or now.

[Laura Leff] not

[Brad from Georgia] Go 'head, but watch your step. You know what pride goeth before....

[Laura Leff] Niagara Falls

[Brad from Georgia] Slowly I turned...

[steve -shimp-] slowly I turned

[Josef] step by step

[steve -shimp-] see Brad beat me on that one

[Laura Leff] So...how many of you have seen the San Diego TV show that we sprung earlier this year?

[Brad from Georgia] Steve: Neener, neener.

[steve -shimp-]  

[KayLhota] but, Mel's accident would have been during the CBS years.

[ed] NBC just had their 84 anniversary on wed.or thurs

[Brad from Georgia] I haven't.

[steve -shimp-] Folks, I need to head out to a dinner invite I have

[ed] bye steve

[Brad from Georgia] At the Big Derby, Steve?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, but NBC owns the copyrighted shows now, since they bought MCA Universal.

[Josef] bye steve, have fun!

[Chasitykins] Have a good night, Steve.

[steve -shimp-] But it has been great chatting, I need to get used to the west coast timing

[steve -shimp-] bye!

[Brad from Georgia] Bye, bye!

[Laura Leff] Have a good one, Steve!

[KayLhota] oh, good lord, Laura!

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[KayLhota] by ed

[ed] i am not leaving

[Laura Leff] Kay - I know...ironic, isn't it?

[KayLhota] oops, I meant steve

[Laura Leff] So how many of you have seen that San Diego show?

[Chasitykins] I haven't.

[Brad from Georgia] Not I.

[Laura Leff] I can't remember if any of you have ordered it

[KayLhota] so, you have both CBS and NBC to deal with, with them going, "Aw, who wants to see an old show?"

[Josef] I haven't either

[ed] though iam watching skins vs dallas

[Laura Leff] Kay - NBC is "they can see it if they can pay for it"

[Laura Leff] Well, OK. There's a woman on the San Diego show...her name is Leigh Snowden.

[Laura Leff] She's gorgeous.

[Laura Leff] Easily could give Marilyn Monroe a run for her money, and was very much in that vein.

[Laura Leff] Well, her daughter had been in touch with me some time ago wanting to get hold of that show.

[Laura Leff] So I'd had her on the line for about a year while I pursued different ways of getting it.

[Laura Leff] Then we had the vertical alignment problems, and then got them resolved.

[Laura Leff] So I sent them the show.

[Chasitykins] Andddd?

[Laura Leff] After a while, she wrote me back a really beautiful letter about how she and her brother gasped and laughed and cried over watching their (now crossed-over) mother.

[Chasitykins] Awww

[KayLhota] oh, wow.

[Laura Leff] And their father watched in silence, and then said, "THERE she is" when she appeared and was able to say no more.

[Brad from Georgia] NICE story. (BTW, I have dropped a heavy hint to Mrs. from Georgia that I want the DVD of "Laughter in Bloom" for my birthday next month. By sending her the URL and saying "Get this for me.")

[Chasitykins] Oh, that's so touching.  

[Laura Leff] I just love reconnecting people with their work--or in this case, their loved one's work--on the Benny show.

[Laura Leff] It made me happy, and thanks for allowing me to share it with you.

[Josef] that really is an awesome story

[Brad from Georgia] (I suspect I'll have a similar reaction on seeing the DVD. Still can't bring myself to watch the DVD of Eddie's memorial service.)

[Laura Leff] Brad - Gosh, and you SAW it once already!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Unfortunately, they edited my line about "They saw this...........not me on the screen..."

[Brad from Georgia] In the flesh. After it was all over, Jamie Farr said he would have been fine if I hadn't started to sob during my little bit. Oh, no, LL!

[Laura Leff] (That won't mean anything to anyone who wasn't there. Sorry.)

[Laura Leff] Brad - I thought Jamie did fine anyway!

[Brad from Georgia] I did too. Nice gentleman.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind tonight?

[Brad from Georgia] Mr. Farr promised to give Rip Taylor my best...just to keep the story going  

[KayLhota] I have to go. phone call. see you next month.

[Chasitykins] Well, I don't have much Benny-wise, but I am thinking about a line from 30 Rock I heard in reference to Gracie Allen...

[Brad from Georgia] Bye, Kay.

[Laura Leff] Take care, Kay!

[Chasitykins] Good night, Kay!

[ed] bye kay

[Josef] Bye kay!

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[Brad from Georgia] What is it, Chas? (May I call you Chas?)

[Chasitykins] You sure can, Brad.  

[Brad from Georgia] Thanks. My name's already short. Nobody calls me Bra.

[Brad from Georgia] What was the Gracie Allen line?

[Chasitykins] One of the characters on the show, Kenneth, is giving a tour of NBC...and he says "And now you're standing on the exact spot where Gracie Allen took Jack Paar's virginity."

[Chasitykins] And I just...I have no idea what that even means.

[Brad from Georgia]  

[Josef] huh

[Brad from Georgia] Well...George was known for chasing girls. I don't think Gracie had the same kind of reputation with men.

[Laura Leff] Odd

[Laura Leff] Maybe they were just pulling old names?

[Chasitykins] I wonder? So strange for Gracie of all people to come up though.

[Laura Leff] It would make sense if they said something like Joan Crawford took Jack Paar's virginity

[Brad from Georgia] I think it was just an off-the-wall remark. Or maybe someone wanted to needle Paar because he criticized Burns and Allen's radio show as "tired old comedy" at one point.

[Brad from Georgia] Paar could be...snippy. And he had a definite superiority complex.

[Laura Leff] And a water closet complex

[Chasitykins] I don't know much about Jack Paar - were Burns and Allen more popular than him?

[Brad from Georgia] Definitely.

[Laura Leff] They were different eras

[Laura Leff] So it's not like they were besting him in the ratings

[Brad from Georgia] Jack Paar's first really big network break came just after the second World War, when he was Jack Benny's summer replacement.

[Laura Leff] Didn't B&A go off the air about the time that Paar took over the Tonight show?

[Laura Leff] Right...but I don't think of him as really breaking out until he took over the Tonight Show.

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[Brad from Georgia] Unfortunately, later Paar referred in public to Jack and George in unflattering terms, saying their style of comedy was old-hat, and his was much more sophisticated....

[Laura Leff] Right, I remember that.

[Chasitykins] Hmm.

[Josef] Seems kind of a sad statement, considering Benny and George lasted for years with their comedy

[Laura Leff] Similar kind of dynamic, I think, in Jack helping Joey Bishop to get established, then Bishop became something of a jerk.

[Laura Leff] At least, in Milt Josefsberg's eyes...and a few others...

[Laura Leff] So...any requests for next month?

[Josef] Oh. Laura, I noticed that you wrote the program guide for a new JB collection at Radio Spirits. Is that a collection worth purchasing?

[Brad from Georgia] Jack was very generous in promoting younger comedians. Danny Kaye always said he owed a lot to Jack, and Bob Newhart said that Jack personally dragged most of his first audiences into the theater.

[Laura Leff] Josef - Ha! I didn't know the set was out yet. It's all Colmans episodes. If you like the Colmans, it's a good set.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Danny Kaye was also Joan's godfather.

[Josef] I love the Colmas. yeah, comes out this week

[Chasitykins] As a huge Ronald Colman, I am quite interested in this.

[Chasitykins] colman fan*

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'm hoping to buttonhole the button-down mind at an event in October. Wish me luck.

[Chasitykins] Maybe I've taken to eating too many cabbages...

[Laura Leff] Josef - Cool! Thanks for the heads up.

[Brad from Georgia] And in one of the skits, Jack and Mary played a couple named Danny and Sylvia Kaminsky....

[Josef] You're welcome. Saw it in the new catalogue I received this past week

[Laura Leff] Josef - I'll have to look it up on line. I actually haven't heard the restored shows, so can't speak to the audio. But they always do a good job.

[Josef] Thinking of buying it for my b-day

[Brad from Georgia] Gee, I can't think of the exact show...maybe you can track it down, I just thought it was funny, Laura--in it, Jack is in Scotland and bargains with a Scots department store clerk about the price of a bottle of perfume.

[Josef] Yeah they do. I've never complained about their quality....maybe their price at times  

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh yeah...October of 52 I think.

[Brad from Georgia] You are amazing.

[Laura Leff] 9/21/52

[Laura Leff] I've just heard that show about a thousand times and remember that they took that trip in the summer of 52

[Brad from Georgia] Anyway, that might be a good October show...there not being that many Halloween episodes...oh, well, it was September. But LATE September.

[Laura Leff] OK, I'm good with that. Haven't heard it in a while!

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[Josef] I know I haven't heard that episode

[Laura Leff] OK, 9/21/52 it is. Assuming I've got it in MP3, and I'm pretty sure I do.

[Laura Leff] Anything else, or shall we call it good for September?

[Brad from Georgia] I'm up to the fifties now--I listen to at least two shows a week on my exercise walks. Other times, I listen to Garrison Keillor, but he makes me walk too slow.

[Brad from Georgia] Good chat. Goodnight, all! Be well.

[Chasitykins] Can someone pass on the name of the collection with the Ronald Colman episodes that's being released?

[Chasitykins] I have a birthday at the end of this month...  

[Laura Leff] Chasity - Look at www.radiospirits.com

[Josef] It's called: Jack Benny--Neighbors

[Chasitykins] Thanks  

[Josef] yep!

[Brad from Georgia] So does my wife, Chas! And Stephen King!

[Laura Leff] OK, have a good September, folks! Thanks for stopping!

[Josef] well, happy early b-day Chasitykins

[Chasitykins] I'll have a drink for her when I'm celebrating, Brad.  Maybe not so much Stephen King.