IJBFC Chat - May 10, 2009

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[Brad from Georgia] Hi, John, LL!

[Steve .shimp.] Hi John and Laura

[Laura Leff] Hi folks!

[KayLhota] Hello John and Laura

[Laura Leff] How's everyone doing tonight?

[KayLhota] pretty good

[John Petty] hi everyone

[Brad from Georgia] Well, here I am by the Gulf of Mexico, unwinding from a horrific spring semester!\

[Steve .shimp.] Great, just got a job offer as I was telling the others...!

[KayLhota] Laura, did you get the disc that I mailed to you?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Just opened the CD of your reading of Sunday Nights at Seven. Thanks!

[KayLhota] oh! You are welcome

[Laura Leff] Steve - Mazel tov! Anything specific you can share?

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, I'll be moving to the gulf of mexico myself, my new office will be right on the beach!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sorry to hear that the semester was bad...weather, students, faculty, or...?

[Laura Leff] And how did Romeo and Juliet go?

[Steve .shimp.] 'course, I don't know where I'll LIVE, yet...

[Laura Leff] So no more Williamsburg for you?

[John Petty] you should be geeting cheaper home prices wherever on the coast

[Steve .shimp.] Nope. I don't know if I'll be moving before or after Eddie Carroll's show in August here.

[Laura Leff] Important to Benny fans...  

[Steve .shimp.] Believe it or not, that is actually bugging me!

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, cheap homes there.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Just one thing after another: my mom got sick and was in hospital for a week (she's better) and my friend and teaching colleague Tom Deitz had a heart attack, lingered three months, and then died.

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[KayLhota] Hi Mike

[Frank J. Lhota] Hi Mike

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh dear...sorry to hear that.

[Steve .shimp.] Sorry to hear about that, Brad (other than that your mom is better!, that's great()

[Laura Leff] Hi Mike

[Mike Amo] Jello folks...Java loading delay

[Steve .shimp.] Hi Mike

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[KayLhota] oops, there goes Frank

[Brad from Georgia] I was given an overload, at no pay...Tom had no family in state, so Barbara and I and some others were his caregivers. I was with him the morning he passed away. I'd known him for 25 years.

[Laura Leff] Well, as they say, only place to go is up...

[Brad from Georgia] Let's HOPE so!

[KayLhota] Frank didn't know that he left

[Laura Leff] Brad - Gosh, that's got to be hard.

[Mike Amo] Happy Mom's day, moms!

[KayLhota] thanks Mike

[Brad from Georgia] Tom made me his literary executor before he died. He is the author of 19 books, so it's a little daunting.

[Steve .shimp.] I hope the vacation is doing some good for you Brad!

[Brad from Georgia] Well, I'm starting to sleep through the night again, anyway!

[John Petty] is everyone aware that youtube has officially added about 15 full benny Tv shows. not bootlegs

[Laura Leff] As long as we're starting with sad news (and will turn this around soon), we lost one of our rabits very unexpectedly about a week ago.

[KayLhota] awesome!

[Laura Leff] So I guess it's been a time for loss.

[Brad from Georgia] Joun, no I didn't know that!

[Brad from Georgia] John!

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, sorry about the rabbit Laura.

[Brad from Georgia] Sorry.

[Mike Amo] Sorry Brad

[KayLhota] yes, I am sorry for your rabbit

[Laura Leff] John - Public domain shows, I presume?

[Steve .shimp.] Check out veoh.com, there are even more Benny shows (though, probably unauthorized)

[John Petty] go to movies and then put in benny

[Mike Amo] Sorry Laura

[John Petty] they probably are pd

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[Laura Leff] Thanks, folks. Our rabbits are our children, so it's always very hard to lose one. Especially when you're not expecting it.

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, Steve--when you get to Ft. Myers, check out Sanibel Island if you've never been there. Used to be a lovely spot, anyway! Hope it still is.

[John Petty] its the ones that show up on the cutout dvds

[Laura Leff] John - Which ones are they? Do you know off the top of your head?

[Steve .shimp.] Yes, I've been going down to the area ever since I was a kid. Used to love Sanibel.

[John Petty] hold on i'll tell you

[Steve .shimp.] The Bubble Room is still there I believe.

[Mike Amo] Brad, friends visiting there this winter said it still is

[KayLhota] Hello frank

[Laura Leff] John - So jam session, Humphrey Bogart, Road to Nairobi, Jack Dreams he's Married to Mary, etc...

[Brad from Georgia] Was the last time I looked!

[Mike Amo] wb Frank

[KayLhota] no, this is another Frank

[Mike Amo] oh, lol, oops

[Laura Leff] Hi Frank!

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, another Frank!

[Steve .shimp.] Let's all be frank.

[Mike Amo] Where's my scorecard!

[Laura Leff] I am Spartacus

[KayLhota] my Frank is still trying to unfreeze the laptop

[John Petty] they are all dated 1950

[Brad from Georgia] You be Frank, I'll be Furter.

[frank] good evening to all

[Laura Leff] John - Then at least 14 of them are wrong...  

[Steve .shimp.] with the pickle in the middle and the mustard on top

[KayLhota] and welcome to the Jack Benny chat, frank

[John Petty] i grew up in ft myers . grad of FMHS

[Laura Leff] Brad - Don't go any Furter with that...

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, wow! Any pointers for living there John?

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I never sausage a pun.

[Laura Leff] We'll get to Jack Benny in a moment, but first...

[John Petty] dont try to do anything during the winter months

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, I already knew that. It will be interesting being there permanently.

[Mike Amo] My 9-year-old computer is currently locking up fairly often, so if I poof, I'll try to get back...new system with lots more power, will be installed Tuesday

[John Petty] traffic is impossible the population doubles or triples

[Laura Leff] This message from the Fort Myers Visitors' and Residents' Bureau

[KayLhota] Frank Lhota is restarting the window, and it's going slow

[Steve .shimp.] LOL. Sorry. I am excited though, it has been a rough, long ride to get out of here.

[Laura Leff] Steve - You'll have to drop me a line via E-mail and tell all.

[Steve .shimp.] Sure, will do.

[Laura Leff] So what did folks think of Halls of Ivy?

[Steve .shimp.] Well, it was my suggestion, but I got a kick out of it.

[Mike Amo] I was surprised to be not impressed, but it was good to hear everybody anyway

[Brad from Georgia] I love the halls of Ivy that surround me here today, and I will not forget her though I be far, far away....

[KayLhota] it was interesting to hear the blending of the Jack Benny and Colman's and the plot of Halls

[Steve .shimp.] I think the weird post-moderny gags of William Todhunter Hall talking about Ronald Colman didn't go over well with the audience.

[Brad from Georgia] I remember the show, vaguely, from TV, but this was the first radio ep I've ever heard.

[KayLhota] I hadn't heard it in a while, and I don't think Frank had, ever

[Laura Leff] How do you feel it compares to Benny shows with the Colmans as guests?

[Steve .shimp.] Might have been ahead of its time.

[Mike Amo] I did like the college President, but everyone else was themselves ... however, I'd never heard the show before

[Brad from Georgia] I did like Mr. Magoo's turn as Jack's publicist!

[KayLhota] well, I adore the Colmans.

[Steve .shimp.] Was that Jim Backus?

[KayLhota] it sure was!

[Brad from Georgia] Yep, Jim Backus.

[Mike Amo] It was all very listenable anyway

[Laura Leff] Yeah...what Steve said.

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, wow, I didn't put that together!

[KayLhota] the Hornblows at Midnight was a groaner

[Laura Leff] I didn't either...and was probably told about it in the past!

[Mike Amo] I didn't recognize him

[Laura Leff] Don't give up the ship

[Brad from Georgia] Backus even did a proto-Magoo laugh at one point . . . one of those "nya-ah" chuckles.

[Mike Amo] Actually, that was a great line, though I didn't know how they'd construct it

[Steve .shimp.] Thurston Howell III meets Jack Benny. Jack probably tried to borrow money.

[Laura Leff] It might have been even more interesting to have the old Steve Bradley character come on for the role.

[Laura Leff] Steve - More likely Howell tried to borrow from Jack!

[Brad from Georgia] It was funny to have Jack's generous side come out at the end!

[KayLhota] well, the Halls of Ivy is a sweet program

[Brad from Georgia] Although...I think the show could have used a tad more of Jack a tad earlier.

[Mike Amo] I liked that note he left at the end too

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[KayLhota] now we've lost the other frank

[Mike Amo] Two Franks down

[Laura Leff] Two franks, no bun

[KayLhota] boy, something about this room

[Mike Amo] hold the pickle

[Steve .shimp.] I wonder what was cut out for AFRS.

[Laura Leff] I didn't do it... *looks innocent*

[Brad from Georgia] Colonel Mustard in the hall with ivy.

[Mike Amo] Just the commercials

[KayLhota] the beer commercials

[Steve .shimp.]   Brad

[Laura Leff] Well, commercials...and any references that were too "homey"

[Brad from Georgia] What was the Halls of Ivy sponsor?

[KayLhota] Schlitz beer

[Laura Leff] Brad - Timely...just finished watching Gosford Park last night.

[Mike Amo] Really? lol, good college fare

[Brad from Georgia] I did notice Jack humming "Be happy, go Luckie."

[Steve .shimp.] Which is really funny since Schlitz is considered so lowbrow and the Colmans rather highbrow

[Steve .shimp.] But Schlitz used to be classy, or so I hear.

[Laura Leff] Whenever I hear a reference to Schlitz, I always remember the B-school case study where they did something to save costs

[Steve .shimp.] Like taking out the 'l'?

[Laura Leff] and ended up with a bunch of cloudy beer that they had to landfill.

[Brad from Georgia] What was the Champagne of Bottled Beers? I forget. Not a beer drinker.

[KayLhota] Millers High Life

[John Petty] the beer that made milwaukee famous

[Steve .shimp.] What Kay said

[Laura Leff] Well, Lucky Strike is lowbrow now too.

[Steve .shimp.] Lucky Strikes are LETHAL now.

[Steve .shimp.] No filters.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, Miller used to sponsor Amos 'n' Andy on TV.

[Mike Amo] It was a great candy cigarette though, so firm, so fully packed

[Laura Leff] I think I've got an ad for Schlitz with Groucho on it.

[Laura Leff] Maybe one with Liberace too.

[Brad from Georgia] "You've got a better head on your beer than on your shoulders."

[KayLhota] interesting since he had Pabst as his sponsor

[Mike Amo] "National Bo"

[Laura Leff] Kay - I'd have to go really look at it...been on the wall so long that I haven't really seen it in a while.

[KayLhota] that happens

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, how old is Mrs. Hall supposed to be in the show? Jack's note makes it sound as if he were a mere child when he first saw her on the stage!

[KayLhota] I don't think that they give exact ages.

[Brad from Georgia] Well...the character is named for Queen Victoria....

[Steve .shimp.] I don't know Brad - I didn't get that impression ...

[KayLhota] They come off as approaching middle age rather than passing through it

[Laura Leff] Funny...and I thought they named the Hall after Albert.

[Brad from Georgia] How many holes would it take to fill up Toddhunter Hall?

[KayLhota] too much!

[Laura Leff] Maybe they named the Hall after Ivy.

[Steve .shimp.] I liked the gag at the beginning where Ronnie seemed to not be able to hear the words "Jack Benny"

[Brad from Georgia] Ivy, USA.

[Laura Leff] I didn't have time to look up the rest of the cast...anyone else interesting in supporting roles?

[Laura Leff] Besides Mr. Magoo?

[Brad from Georgia] And he was right..there was an early movie star named John Bunny!

[KayLhota] I don't think so, Laura

[Laura Leff] Oh definitely...very broad-faced, kind of sea captain looking guy.

[Brad from Georgia] Herbert Butterfield was Mr. Wellman.

[Mike Amo] I forgot the names he used, but they were pretty good

[Laura Leff] Not sure if anyone answered this...compare and contrast Jack on the Colmans' show vs. the Colmans on Jack's show.

[Brad from Georgia] On TV, anyway. I hit return too soon!

[Brad from Georgia] You could tell that Jack's writers did not work on his lines, I thought.

[Steve .shimp.] I think almost any Jack guest appearance on anothers' show seems a touch off...

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[Brad from Georgia] The gags were Jack-centered but somehow "softer" than on Benny's show.

[Laura Leff] WB Frank!

[KayLhota] You made it at last

[Steve .shimp.] And, I agree with Brad, it is the lack of subtlety in the writing, or the writers missing the beat a bit.

[Laura Leff] Which also points out that even when you "know" a character, it's hard to perfectly craft lines that fit in their mouth.

[Brad from Georgia] Still, it was nice that at the end of the show Jack's real-life generosity peeked through the usual cheap jokes.

[KayLhota] different writers trying to do Jack Benny material, perhaps?

[Mike Amo] wb Frank

[Steve .shimp.] I have trouble finding a comparable moment from the Benny show with that sweet "note" ending though.

[Steve .shimp.] Maybe Jack & Roch on New Years, but that's about it.

[Steve .shimp.] I kind of liked it.

[Laura Leff] And a lot of shows depend heavily on all the stereotypical traits. Cheap joke, toupee joke, cheap joke, violin joke, etc.

[Brad from Georgia] Maybe the New Year's....aw, Steve beat me.

[Steve .shimp.]  

[Laura Leff] Steve - Colman's toast to the world.

[KayLhota] it's a lot like the warmth of "The Halls of Ivy"

[Steve .shimp.] Interesting LL! and apt.

[Laura Leff] And maybe the winner of the "I Can't Stand Jack Benny" contest.

[Steve .shimp.] The note is a little more low key, for lack of a better term.

[Steve .shimp.] Ah, the Can't Stand contest. Great example.

[Brad from Georgia] And Jack's meditation at the end of 1945...hoping for a better world.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Ah, my favorite.

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[Steve .shimp.] I think that was something grander than this little "character" bit though.

[KayLhota] hi Ed

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, ed!

[Laura Leff] Hi Ed!

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, agreed, Steve.

[Steve .shimp.] Not that it isn't excellent.

[Frank J. Lhota] Hi Ed.

[ed] hello from my slow computer....

[KayLhota] you and Frank, ed.

[Steve .shimp.] Benny's show kind of followed the supposed "Seinfeld" rule - no hugging, no learning.

[Laura Leff] That's OK...we seem to have had a number of technical issues with folks tonight.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Say more about that...not sure exactly what it means.

[Steve .shimp.] And, to be honest, I usually prefer it that way!

[Frank J. Lhota] My laptop looks upon the Commodore 80 with envy.

[Steve .shimp.] Seinfeld was supposed to be a reaction against the Cosby-influenced sitcoms where there was a lot of love and messages.

[Brad from Georgia] I remember Jack's show just post V-E day (think it was a Mother's Day episode, too) in which he offered the hope that sons and mothers would be reunited next year...and pointed out that some sons would never come back. Very low-key and touching, I thought

[Steve .shimp.] So their motto was "no hugging, no learning".

[KayLhota] yes, Brad

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, I get it. Thanks!

[Steve .shimp.] I think Jack's show had that philosophy a long time beforehand though.

[Laura Leff] I'm remembering an interesting vignette where Jack and Mary are looking through a store window at wedding rings

[Brad from Georgia] Yeh, as you know I'm a sucker for the New Year's show!

[John Petty] but you sure had to know a fair amt of cultural references to get Seinfeld

[Laura Leff] and Mary's kind of coyly asking about buying one

[Laura Leff] and Jack says something like, "Oh you know I'd never wear it."

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, there are flashes of sentiment here and there.

[Steve .shimp.] Interestingly, often with Mary - the dream where they are married as well.

[Laura Leff] If Jack and Mary got married on Jack's show, would they have become George and Gracie?

[Brad from Georgia] It's amazing how widely the "rose a day" story spread a few years ago as an Internet meme.

[Steve .shimp.] LL - No, I can't really see that.

[KayLhota] I think that they could have, Laura.

[Steve .shimp.]   Kay

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yeah...someone even wrote a song about it.

[Brad from Georgia] Another glimpse of sentimental Jack.

[Steve .shimp.] Mary wouldn't have wanted to, for sure.

[Laura Leff] Just since we're on the subject...what are other examples of "sentimental Jack"?

[KayLhota] why, Steve?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Professional jealousy

[Frank J. Lhota] I think it was Norman Lear who invented the "special episode"

[Steve .shimp.] Mary in real life wouldn't have wanted that big/demanding a role.

[KayLhota] hmmm...

[Laura Leff] Steve - Good point

[Brad from Georgia] "St. Joe. Gee, they loved me in St. Joe." Thanks for the newsletter, Laura! I know getting this one out had to be a strain, what with your project and all!

[Steve .shimp.] Gracie was run ragged on her show.

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, yeah, great TIMES issue!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Much appreciated. I just sat down and banged it out in a weekend, and fortunately had plenty of material for it!

[KayLhota] and Gracie was show business, while Mary was not as comfortable at it

[Steve .shimp.] Speaking of Mary, I liked the story about her "passing the Deutsche"...  

[KayLhota] oh, that reminds me-- Frank, we need to renew

[KayLhota] our subscription

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh yeah, isn't that a pip?

[ed] laura is there a way to find out how many episodes of the JB show was mickey carrol in?

[Steve .shimp.] I just picture Mary with some Hendrix playing in the background.

[ed] was*

[Laura Leff] Ed - Mickey Carrol?

[ed] one of the munchkins from the wizard of oz who died the other day

[KayLhota] I read about that. He was 89 years old.

[ed] they say he was in some JB shows along with george and gracie

[ed] among others

[John Petty] interesting side note. heard Advetures by Morse for the first time this weekend. the lead is played by Elliott Lewis who played Frank remley on Jack's and the Phil and Alice Show

[Laura Leff] Ed - Is this radio or TV?

[ed] radio according to the chicago tribune and AP

[KayLhota] I'll have to give that show a listen. I'm getting to like Elliot Lewis.

[Laura Leff] John - Elliott Lewis was a very talented actor.

[Brad from Georgia] Hmmm....I wonder if Mickey played Charlie McCarthy in the TV show?

[John Petty] completely diff than anything like he played on Jack's show, a real adventure cliffhanger

[KayLhota] Yes, very talented.

[Laura Leff] Ed - Well, if he's credited in the script (hard copies), I'd have him in 39 Forever.

[Steve .shimp.] Just checked 39 Forever on Mickey Carrol, no refs in either volume.

[Steve .shimp.] Maybe a TV show?

[Laura Leff] Thanks, Steve!

[ed] I wonder if he was uncredited in the shows

[Steve .shimp.] Thanks for WRITING them!

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[Laura Leff] Volume 3 is probably at least a couple years off, unfortunately...

[ed] hi max

[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell!

[KayLhota] hi maxwell

[Steve .shimp.] Hiya Maxwell

[Mike Amo] Hi Maxwell

[Laura Leff] Hi Maxwell! Good to see you again!

[Maxwell] Hey there, everybody!

[Laura Leff] Oh and Steve...thanks for inspiring that bit about the Clayton house in the newsletter!

[Steve .shimp.] We will wait happily, patiently, for vol. 3 Laura

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, yeah, thanks for mentioning it in the letter. That "Where's Jack" thread has become

[Steve .shimp.] quite fun.

[Laura Leff] Your patience is greatly appreciated! Would love to take a 2-3 month sabbatical from work and bang out the volume, but you know how it is...gotta pay the bills.

[Brad from Georgia] Wish I'd had more time to participate!

Maxwell likes the "Where's Jack" thread.

[Laura Leff] I've got to catch up on that thread one of these days.

[ed] he also did some phillip morris ads i don't know if they had him playing johnny when he might have been doing other shows

[Steve .shimp.] Maxwell's good at it!

[Maxwell] When I get good hints I am!

[Laura Leff] Ed - Hmmm...I remember hearing the name of Johnny a time or two...

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[KayLhota] oops, there goes Frank

[Brad from Georgia] Now that the semester's over...I'm a month behind schedule on my next novel. Worked on it some today. I sympathize, LL!

[Maxwell] We need a "Where's Frank" thread.

[Steve .shimp.]  

[Laura Leff] In fact, I think the character was inspired by someone from my home town. There's an exhibit on him at the local public museum.

[KayLhota] geesh.

[Steve .shimp.] Frank is ephemeral.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, you of all people, know how it is to "birth" a book!

[KayLhota] this is a different laptop, so I don't know what the problem is

[Steve .shimp.] Jello is not ethereal, it's a dethert.

[Laura Leff] The Evitable Frank Lhota

[Steve .shimp.] LOL!

[Brad from Georgia] Oog, Steve!

[Maxwell] That'th right. Ethereal is for breakfatht.

[Mike Amo] I didn't realize how many different things Mickey had done over the years

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, maybe Mickey played Charlie McCarthy in that Creepy TV episode.

[Laura Leff] I don't remember ever seeing a munchkin-sided person on Jack's TV show...does anyone?

[Steve .shimp.] I am trying to think of ones with little people.

[KayLhota] I thought that was billy Barty

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh, good point!

[Steve .shimp.] There was also Mortimer Snerd in there too.

[Laura Leff] Tell you what...I may be able to conjure the credits of that one quickly. Keep talking...I'll be Bach.

[Steve .shimp.] That one'll give you nightmares.

[ed] billy barty was a fine actor

[Laura Leff] Just like our Governator.

[KayLhota] but not at the same time?

[ed] our ex governator also

[Steve .shimp.] I thought you saw them both, but can't recall.

[KayLhota] I haven't seen it in years.

[Steve .shimp.] I have it on a disc somewhere.

[KayLhota] and, I thought it was creepy too

[Steve .shimp.] But sounds like Laura's on the case.

[Steve .shimp.] It's creepy in a funny, surreal way.

[KayLhota] yeah

[Steve .shimp.] I like it. And, it's funny that Frances is in it more than Edgar.

[Maxwell] Somebody get Laura off the case! It's too wobbly!

[Maxwell] Hmmm...this sounds like a show I've never seen, and I thought that was impossible.

[Laura Leff] I've got a Billy Curtis and a Karl Swenson in that episode...no Mickey Carrol.

[KayLhota] okay

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, well, it was worth a shot.

[KayLhota] Billy Curtis was also a munchkin

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[ed] bye john

[Laura Leff] Maybe they got confused...

[Laura Leff] Oh, mind if I drop a name?

[KayLhota] sure

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[Brad from Georgia] Bombs away!

[KayLhota] oops

[Maxwell] They're dropping like flies!

[KayLhota] yeah

[Steve .shimp.] Sorry, I must be on the same connection as Frank!

[KayLhota] you can't be, because he is still stuck

[Laura Leff] I got into my E-mail today and found that I had one from Leonard Maltin, giving me some additional feedback on the cufflinks story in the most recent Times. Pretty cool. I'll put it in the next issue.

Maxwell waits for the other name to drop.

[KayLhota] awesome

[Maxwell] Cool!

[Steve .shimp.] Did I miss any resolution on Mickey as Charlie McCarthy?

[KayLhota] Leonard Maltin seems to be a nice guy

[Laura Leff] A little ashamed that he should have gotten the Times and already read it, and I haven't even opened his that I just got (we trade).

[Brad from Georgia] Tell Leonard I like his intros on the cartoon DVDs!

[KayLhota] Billy Curtis and Karl Swenson were Charley and Mortimer

[Laura Leff] Steve - I'm not seeing him in the credits.

[Steve .shimp.] Ah, OK.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'll pass that along.

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[KayLhota] yay Frank

[Laura Leff] WBB Frank

[Maxwell] And now, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Frank!

[Laura Leff] Looks like we never got "other Frank" back.

[Brad from Georgia] A colleague at school and I are talking about collaborating on a history of animation textbook.

[Frank J. Lhota] Jello again.

[ed] hello frank

[KayLhota] oh Brad?

[Mike Amo] I worked on a short project with him years ago in my job, Kay...I thought the same, but he has an ego

[Laura Leff] Brad - Whoa...that would be quite a job.

[Brad from Georgia] Yep. I sat in on his history of animation class last fall, and we both bemoaned the fact that there's not a good, up to date text. Maltin's is about the best one, but it's dated now.

[Maxwell] Yeah, Maltin's has to be at least 20-25 years old.

[KayLhota] 1980

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Nah, he's the expert. I'd help with the research and would do the final edit/rewrite on it. And I came up with the title.

[Laura Leff] The San Francisco Silent Film Festival had a fantastic section on very early Disney animation a few years ago. Including the little girl (now much older) who was the original animation-live action girl.

[Mike Amo] I have books of his from about 1980, always like his TV movie review book too

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, Alice! There were three Alices at least, you know.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Assuming she's still alive, you'd better grab her if you want an interview!

[Maxwell] Yeah, she'd have to be about 90 now.

[Laura Leff] She was still pretty sharp at the festival, but you know...

[Brad from Georgia] Was it Virginia Davis, by any chance?

[Steve .shimp.] sort-of related, I heard the Lux Radio Alice in Wonderland adaptation of the 1951 Disney film recently.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, I believe it was.

[KayLhota] not a bad LUX show, was it?

[Steve .shimp.] Interesting to hear an animated film translated to radio for some reason.

[Steve .shimp.] It had most of the movie voice cast.

[Laura Leff] Wasn't someone in the Benny family the voice of something in the Disney version?

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, Joe Kearns was the doorknob.

[KayLhota] Joe Kearns

[Maxwell] Wasn't Verna Felton one of the voices?

[Steve .shimp.] Vera Felton was the Queen of Hearts

[Brad from Georgia] The others that I know were Dawn O'Day and Margie Gay. Margie was the youngest.

[KayLhota] yes

[KayLhota] Verna Felton did other Disney voices too

[Laura Leff] I thought someone was the Cheshire Cat. Or you know...I think maybe I'm confusing it with something I read about Stephen Fry playing that more recently.

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, Sleeping Beauty, Jungle Book off the top of my head.

[Steve .shimp.] Sterling Holloway was the Cheshire Cat

[KayLhota] she's the fairy godmother in Cinderella, and a mean elephant in dumbo

[Brad from Georgia] Cheshire Cat was...aw, Shimp did it again!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Then it was definitely Virginia Davis. The other names don't sound familiar.

[Maxwell] You gotta be fast to beat shimp.

[Laura Leff] Ah Sterling Holloway...no Benny connection, but a great entertainer.

[KayLhota] Sterling Holloway was the Cheshire

[Maxwell] Winnie the Cat.

[Steve .shimp.] Winnie the Pooh and Jack - commonalities? Discuss.

[Laura Leff] Steve -  

[ed] winnie the pooh

[Steve .shimp.] Jack = Money, Pooh = Hunny

[Laura Leff] Well, Jack lived in the Hundred Acre Wood on Roxbury Drive...

[Brad from Georgia] Sterling Holloway was born in Cedartown, GA. I've met some of his family, but alas, never met him. What a charming voice he had.

[Laura Leff] Piglet, Rochester...hmmmm

[Maxwell] He wasn't a bad dancer either.

[Steve .shimp.] Owl = Don?

[Laura Leff] Eyore, Phil....hmmmm...

[Steve .shimp.] Tigger = Dennis?

[ed] kanga-mary?

[ed] or roo?

[Steve .shimp.] The Beverly Hills Roos

[Frank J. Lhota] Pooh Bear kept his honey in a secret vault...

[Laura Leff] The Tao of Jack Benny

[Laura Leff] Guarded by....a polar bear?

[Brad from Georgia] No, my daughter played Roo. At least at the Center for Puppetry Arts, she did!

[Brad from Georgia] LL--maybe by a bipolar bear? Fierce every other day?

[Laura Leff] Hundred Acre Wood vs. Thousand Oaks

[Steve .shimp.] Jack's vault was full of Heffalumps and Woozles

[ed] as long as the 100 acre woods has not burned in california yet

[Laura Leff] Manic depressive bear...goes on hunny benders.

[Frank J. Lhota] "Youn money or your life!" -- "Oh, bother!"

[Steve .shimp.]   Frank

[Mike Amo]  

[Laura Leff]  

[ed] good one frank

[Steve .shimp.] And, I think that tops out the Pooh discussion!

[Laura Leff] I certainly can't top it.

[Laura Leff] I love the recasting discussions...always so fun.

[Brad from Georgia] FINALLY got my wall o' fame photos up in my office at school: lobby card for TO BE OR NOT TO BE, framed Hirschfeld caricature of Jack + my Jack Benny autograph, framed postcard of Jack's house, framed signed program from "Laughter in Bloom."

[Maxwell] Senator Ford says he can't top it either.

[Steve .shimp.] Nice set, sounds like, Brad

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on folks' minds?

[Maxwell] Dare I bring up the Eddie Carroll discussion from the message board?

[Brad from Georgia] And the Jimmy Stewart 8 x 10, rather charmingly autographed "To Harvey--Best Wishes--Jimmy Stewart."

[Steve .shimp.] Sure Max

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I think I'm out of the loop...go for it.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh cute

[Mike Amo] Just curiou show long Halls of Ivy was around...I'd barely heard of it before

[Mike Amo] +s

[Maxwell] The question seems to be, would Jack have told the saltpeter in the road joke?

[Brad from Georgia] Yep. Harvey apparently worked in some capacity on "Winchester '73" according to the Certificate.

[KayLhota] 1950 to 52 on radio and another 3 on TV

[KayLhota] 2 on TV

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - A-ha.....  

[Laura Leff] What's the consensus from the Forum?

[KayLhota] the TV series recycled a lot of the radio scripts

[Mike Amo] wow, I guess it never did reruns...I saw everything on TV as a kid...Peoples Choice was apparently an addiction at 2

[Laura Leff] And would he have told the Mary exercise joke...

[Maxwell] I remember watching reruns as a kid.

[Steve .shimp.] Well, the forum discussion was prompted by a new poster who was offended and walked out on Eddie's show.

[Maxwell] That was the more memorable one LL.

[Brad from Georgia] I remember Cleo, the talking basset hound!\

[Laura Leff] Wow!

[Maxwell] At least to me.

[KayLhota] it did rerun a little I think up to the mid 1960's

[Laura Leff] I've got to catch up on the Forum.

[Mike Amo] My folks bought me a stuffed Cleo, I'm told

[Maxwell] I remember seeing reruns Saturday afternoons in the early '60s.

[Mike Amo] What the heck did he walk out on?

[KayLhota] I had to do a little research on "Halls of Ivy" for the Radio Researchers

[Brad from Georgia] I think Jack's Las Vegas shows were probably about as raunchy as Eddie's!

[Steve .shimp.] I pointed out that Jack had used some more off color stuff even on TV in the '70s, on chat shows.

[Maxwell] Probably the exercise joke. I think that was about the fourth one.

[Laura Leff] And that's pretty early in the show!

[Mike Amo] I remember he had a few more than G-rated lines in the show I saw

[Laura Leff] And would Jack have done the chimp impersonation in the Chi-Chi joke right at the start.

[Brad from Georgia] The Rochester golf joke....

[Laura Leff] See, Jack could have told the Rochester golf joke.

[Laura Leff] In Vegas.

[Mike Amo] That Las Vegas show was great, LL

[Laura Leff] There's nothing that dirty in there.

[Maxwell] Well, I guess this lady and her husband were offended.

[Brad from Georgia] My wife and I were never offended...and we've seen Eddie's show about four times now.

[Brad from Georgia] And we're prudes.

[Steve .shimp.]  

[Brad from Georgia] Or prunes. I can never get that right.

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[Laura Leff] When I think of Jack working blue in Vegas, I think of him telling the joke about him being born so long ago in Waukegan that the mohel was an Indian.

[Maxwell] I think prunes, Brad.

[Laura Leff] He used a tomahawk.

[Brad from Georgia] No, wait, we're the California Raisins. I heard that through the grapevine.

[ed] there goes frank again

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, we went through the tomahawk joke on the forum. He told that on Dick Cavett!

[Maxwell] Yeah, Steve (I think) linked to that joke on YouTube.

[KayLhota] yeah, I turned towards my husband just now and said, "What happened to you?" "Frozen again"

[Brad from Georgia] Gosh, there's a beautiful moon over Apalachicola Bay.

[Laura Leff] OK, then I'm just echoing. I'll have to read the thread.

[Steve .shimp.] So, it was OK for TV broadcast standards in 1973.

[KayLhota] it must be a gorgeous waning moon

[Maxwell] She seemed upset both at Eddie and at Chuck Schaden.

[KayLhota] it was full on Friday night

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[KayLhota] hi again Frank

[Laura Leff] It's just funny...because people remember Jack in the way that they can still experience his work. Radio, TV shows.

[ed] who is mad at chuck?

[Brad from Georgia] Just peekin' over the water right now. Trail of golden light leading to it.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Oh my...this happened at the Chuck Schaden show?

[Maxwell] The lady in the thread.

[Maxwell] Yeah.

[Steve .shimp.] Everyone has their own right to be honked off at whatever, but I don't think Eddie's show is considered obscene in 2009.

[Brad from Georgia] I think women should be obscene and not heard.

[Steve .shimp.] Ouch!

[Laura Leff] It's definitely not obscene by 2009 standards. Not even close.

[Brad from Georgia] Stole that from Groucho.

[ed] GOOD!!!

[KayLhota] boy, when Ed said "Chuck" the first thing that I thought of was the current NBC TV series "Chuck"

[KayLhota] totally different

[Steve .shimp.] And, Max, you go around like a sailor with Tourette's!

[Steve .shimp.] Kidding.

[Laura Leff] So this was at the Chuck Schaden retirement show?

[Maxwell] Right.

[Maxwell] Not the retirement...the 39th anniversary.

[Brad from Georgia] I once stayed in a Tourette's camp...didn't get a wink of sleep.

[Laura Leff] You know...I've got to share something then.

[Maxwell] The retirement show is at the end of next month.

[ed] he started collecting reel to reels in '64

[Steve .shimp.] Do tell, LL

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Is Eddie playing there again? I thought they were the same thing.

[Maxwell] No, he's doing a live broadcast with an audience. (He = Chuck)

[Maxwell] That'll be his final broadcast.

[KayLhota] well, no opinion. I don't know Chuck Schaden

[Laura Leff] So Eddie, Carolyn and I developed a bit of a joke between us.

[ed] chuck is a very nice man i have met him twice

[Laura Leff] Because it seems that every time I see his show (although nothing happened when I saw him in Fullerton), something strange or bad happens.

[Laura Leff] Once, he fell off a stage.

[ed] and a very good radio man

[Brad from Georgia] He told Barbara and me about that! Sounded as if he recovered nicely, though.

[Laura Leff] Most recently, the audience was apparently of the ilk of the person on the Forum and a bunch of people left at intermission.

[Maxwell] A lot left at intermission last Sunday, but that was to feed the parking meters.

[Laura Leff] And when they were trying to get me to come to Chicago for that presentation, I said that I was concerned that if I did, I was going to jinx him again!

[Maxwell] They came back.

[Laura Leff] Looks like he didn't need me...something odd happened anyway!

[Steve .shimp.] Man, I can't believe Eddie is coming right to town and I may miss him in August.

[Steve .shimp.] I still haven't seen the show.

[Steve .shimp.] And he's doing it in the perfect little theater here.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Any chance he's coming to Florida?

[Maxwell] Well, it was just one person walking out. It seems that the wife (who is the poster here) stayed.

[Steve .shimp.] Probably can find an audience there!  

[Laura Leff] She stayed and she's still ticked off?

[Laura Leff] And what did he do? Just go sit in the car?

[Steve .shimp.] I got the impression they both left.

[Brad from Georgia] We went all the way from GA to New Jersey to see the show the first time. The kid at the box office had to call his manager when I called to order tickets!

[Maxwell] She didn't say anything about walking out. All she said was that her husband walked out.

[Brad from Georgia] Didn't trust a Confederate credit card, I guess.

[Laura Leff] Were you there? Did you see it? Did they make a scene or something?

[Steve .shimp.] Ah, I'll have to reread the post.

[Laura Leff] Suddenly this is hot gossip...

[Maxwell] I didn't even know anuyone had walked out until she posted here.

[Steve .shimp.] Well, Brad, if I'm still in town and you want to come to Williamsburg, you have an invite!

[Laura Leff] OK, so no big Don Rickles-type scene or anything...

[Brad from Georgia] What's the date, Steve?

[Maxwell] No, nothing like that.

[Steve .shimp.] August 8-9, I think.

[Laura Leff] (If anyone knows what I'm talking about...Rickles walks out on Jack's Birthday Party, I think)

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, first week of school. SorryQ

[Brad from Georgia] Sorry!]

[Laura Leff] That's IQ to you.

[Brad from Georgia] I'm typing in the dark, watching the moon.

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, well! Like I say, I may be moved out by then.

Maxwell has a sorry IQ.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Don't worry...we won't tell your wife.

[KayLhota] well, you must have a gorgeous moon to look at

[Steve .shimp.] By the light, of the silvery moon ... I want to spoon ...

[Laura Leff] But ANYHOW...

[Maxwell] To my honey I'll croon loves tune.

[Laura Leff] So what's the upshot of the discussion?

[KayLhota] we won't be able to see it until around 11:00 pm. The houses on the east side blocks our vision

[Laura Leff] Or debate?

[KayLhota] no debate

[Laura Leff] And the sun is still up here.

[Brad from Georgia] My late friend Tom Deitz was a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism. He introduced the Order of the Displayed Moon to the Barony of Bryn Madoc...you got it by mixed-gender skinny dipping.

[Maxwell] She thinks Chuck should have warned people about the blue humor. I said I wasn't offended.

[Steve .shimp.] I think we just kind of came back to Jack having a more off-color side, and it was real, not Eddie's invention.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I have a friend who's in SCA...I'll have to ask her about that.

[KayLhota] well, this has nothing to do with Jack Benny, but my favorite TV show "Chuck" is in danger of cancelation by NBC

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, that's a pretty good answer.


(some loss)


[KayLhota] night brad

[Steve .shimp.] Bye Brad!

[Maxwell] So long Brad!

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[Laura Leff] Oops...too late! Bye Brad...

[Mike Amo] oops

[Mike Amo] me too

[Frank J. Lhota] Another person who is not Twiggy is Kristie Alley.

[Laura Leff] I was switching discs for orders.

[KayLhota] nope

[ed] not since the front page of people mag

[Laura Leff] Maybe Jayne Mansfield can supply them.

[Laura Leff] But anyhow...

[Laura Leff] What else Benny-wise?

[KayLhota] I can't think of anything.

[Steve .shimp.] Hmm. I am drawing a Benny blank!

[Steve .shimp.] And it ain't Mel!

[Laura Leff] After losing weight, I'm closer to Twiggy than I used to be...but still a long ways off.

[Laura Leff] I like my curves and want to keep them.

[Mike Amo] Unrelated, but I'm retiring in 3 weeks

[KayLhota] it's an ongoing fight, Laura

[Steve .shimp.] Congratulations Mike.

Maxwell is closer to Ollie than Stan in the weight category.

[ed] from what mike?

[Laura Leff] Mazel tov, Mike!

[Steve .shimp.] And Laura, actually!

[Mike Amo] Maybe I can make it related...and I'm only 39!

[Mike Amo] ty LL

[Frank J. Lhota] If Jack Benny was sponsored by Subway, would Don lose weight?

[Mike Amo] I'll finally have time to read back issues and your books all the way through  

[KayLhota] I knocked back my weight a bit, but it's hard to maintain, and easy to gain

[KayLhota] not if Don ate the $5 footlongs

[Mike Amo] Don would keep Subway cool by blocking out the sun

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, I hear the ever-slowing metabolism.

[Laura Leff] Mike - Glad they're an inspiration to your retirement!   

[ed] my papoose is still in my stomach

[Maxwell] My metabolism stopped when I hit 25.

[Mike Amo] LL, everything is an inspiration to my retirement

[ed] i weigh more than my twin brother

[Laura Leff] Well, having just turned 40, I had to reinvent myself. I decided to reinvent myself as an athelete.

[KayLhota] that's a tough thing to do.

[Steve .shimp.] Laura, as president of the IJBFC you are not ALLOWED to turn 40.

[Maxwell] That's what I'll do when I turn 60!

[Laura Leff] I'm running the Bay to Breakers race a week from today.

[ed] i would re-invent myself too but the patent randry

[KayLhota] I've never been an athlete. Thin once, but never athletic

[Steve .shimp.] Wow, cool Laura!

[Mike Amo] 15th anniversary of 39 here

[Steve .shimp.] I've been slacking on the running and trying to get back up to speed.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh yes I am...I hid from people for a whole year because I didn't want to hear corny comments. And I did it!   

Maxwell has turned 39 21 times.

[KayLhota] good for you, Laura

[ed] my 10th anniversary of 39 is next sunday

[Laura Leff] I may stop at 40.

[Steve .shimp.] I've got a few -very few- years till my first 39.

[Laura Leff] It's not a funny number, but hey, I'm not a comedian.

[Mike Amo] I remember Jack being athletic from the episode with Carol Burnett as Tarzan and Jane

[KayLhota] I was 39 back in 1996

[Laura Leff] Mike - I think he had some steroid help for that.

[Maxwell] My first 39 was 1989.

[Mike Amo]  

[ed] 39 is a number that just stood out

[Laura Leff] Jack Benny suspended for 50 episodes for steroids.

[KayLhota] good one Laura

[Mike Amo] Orson Wells to stand in

[Steve .shimp.] Can you imagine Jack with 'roid rage?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Knew the Red Sox fans would get that...

[KayLhota] yeah, I sure did

[Maxwell] Manny Benny

[Laura Leff] Jack tries to drive the Maxwell insanely down Wilshire Boulevard, but can't get it over 20MPH

[KayLhota] I like that

[Steve .shimp.] LOL. With a mustache and breasts.

[ed] sox' fans are loving manny now-not

[Mike Amo] lol!

[Maxwell] That would be Red Sox fans.

[Laura Leff] Jack or Mary? You be the judge.

[ed] yes

[Maxwell] White Sox fans couldn't care less. (White Sox fan here.)

[KayLhota] oh, don't hold it against me for being from Boston

[ed] yes boston fans

[Laura Leff] There's got to be a joke here somewhere about Babe taking steroids...

[KayLhota] Well, I was born in Chicago, so the White Sox and the Cubs are great too

[Maxwell] Besides, the Boston team is the Sawx.

[Maxwell] The Chicago team is the Sahx.

[Steve .shimp.] Well, Babe in real life fighting off four cops was pretty impressive!

[KayLhota] true

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yeah, how about that! New one on me.

[ed] i am cards fan and they have albert nuff said

[Laura Leff] Her and her weed-smoking sister.

[Steve .shimp.] She must've been eating testosteroni for dinner.

[Maxwell] Kay, what are these Cubs of which you speak?

[Frank J. Lhota] I'm packing it in early tonight. See you next month.

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[KayLhota] did something happen to the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field that I don't know about?

[Steve .shimp.] Night Frank!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I haven't the slightest. Not since about 1988.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Bye to Frank by proxy!

[ed] WF is still up last I heard

[Maxwell] Kay, Oh, you mean that minor league team in the ball park that's falling apart?

[Laura Leff] Kay - Are we talking about the goat?

[KayLhota] I wouldn't talk about the goat, and I am sorry to hear that they are falling apart

[Maxwell] Only the ball park is crumbling.

[KayLhota] okay

[Laura Leff] So was Comiskey, to my understanding.

[Maxwell] The Sox play in a state of the art facility.

[Laura Leff] They do now.

[KayLhota] now, if NBC's "Chuck" will get renewed for the fall, I'll really be a happy lady

[Maxwell] And have for nearly 20 years.

[Laura Leff] So...sounds like we're ready to wrap up for the month...

[Laura Leff] Any requests for June?

[ed] only if ABC picks it up

[Mike Amo] NBC is sitting on that, Earl, and two other shows for now

[Laura Leff] And I'm going to have to push it off a week in June because I'll be out of town the first weekend.

[Steve .shimp.] I'm out of requests, luck of the draw is good for me!

[KayLhota] NBC is holding so that no other network can pick it

[Laura Leff] Oh and thanks to everyone for your flexibility on the reschedule this month.

[Steve .shimp.] Worked out fine.

[KayLhota] luck of the draw is fine

[Maxwell] It worked better for me. I never would have made it last week after Eddie's show.

[Mike Amo] Will be more flexible and available in the future

[Laura Leff] OK...I'll surprise you.

[Laura Leff] Thanks for stopping tonight! Always a pleasure!

[Maxwell] Just a suggestion...It is summer, so maybe a guest spot again.

[Steve .shimp.] Oooh, Goody! A Surprise (/Joe Besser)

[Mike Amo] Maybe a Buck Benny show, but I can wait...  

[Laura Leff] Oh yes...I always do that in the summers.

[KayLhota] ooh, a Buck Benny show!

[Laura Leff] I'll find you something interesting.

[Maxwell] Sounds good.

[KayLhota] I know you will

[Steve .shimp.] We'll look forward to it. Everyone have a great night and rest of the month!

[Laura Leff] Have fun folks...see you next month!

[KayLhota] thanks Steve

[Steve .shimp.] Night all.

[Maxwell] So long everybody!

[Mike Amo] Take care LL

[KayLhota] night

[ed] bye and see you all

[Mike Amo] Good night folks!

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[ed] nite