IJBFC Chat - April 5, 2009
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from Georgia] Hi, Frank! On your laptop tonight?
J. Lhota] Ye ...... s
from Georgia] Sorry, I was answering a question from Mrs. from
Georgia. I'm in my home office for a change, on the desktop.
J. Lhota] User Don Wilson has entered this room, leaving no space for
from Georgia] I thought he was on the other side of the street! Oh,
Maxwell has entered this room.
Hey Brad, Frank!
from Georgia] Hiya, Maxwell!
J. Lhota] Jello folks.
How's the weather in GA?
It's in the 30s and raining here...and expecting snow overnight.
from Georgia] I liked tonght's Easter show. Yum tum tum ta tum
I like any show where Mary sings.
from Georgia] We've got light rain, in the fifties, but it's supposed
to drop down to freezing in a couple of days!
White Sox already called off opening day tomorrow.
from Georgia] Our drought has officially broken, by the way. Our
lake, which has a "normal" level of 1071 feet (above sea level, not
depth) is now only ten feet low instead of 21!
That's good to hear. That drought seemed to last forever.
KayLhota has entered this room.
from Georgia] Hi, Kay!
Hi. Brad Max
Frank I can say hi to out loud
I was thinking along similar lines.
from Georgia] I'm lucky to be able to chat tonight. I'm in our
college's cast for "Romeo and Juliet," and this is the only night for
the next three weeks that I'm not either rehearsing or in the actual run.
J. Lhota] In Mass, we've had quite a bit of rain this week; we're
trying to be more like California.
what part are you playing?
from Georgia] I'm Romeo's pop, Mr. Montague.
from Georgia] I'm playing him like Frank Nelson.
from Georgia] Not really. Director wouldn't let me!
I'm not surprised.
but, in rehearsal, you'd be breaking me up
from Georgia] Capulet: Are you Montague? Me: Well, who did you THINK
I was in these tights? Errol Flynn?
J. Lhota] I once saw a production of "How to Succeed in Business
Without Really Trying" where Mr. Bigly was played Frank Nelson style.
from Georgia] I wouldn't mind playing that role.
from Georgia] I like small parts.
he would have been good in that role
J. Lhota] Romeo: Apathacary! Apathacary: YEEEEEEEESS!
you're killing me, Frank!
Now I'm picturing that scene as Frank and Jack.
from Georgia] You know that Eddie Carroll and Frank Ferrante once
were in "The Odd Couple," and played Felix and Oscar as Jack Benny and
from Georgia] I wanted to play the Apothecary, in fact. "Put
this in any liquid soever and drink it straight, and it shall be your end though
you had the strenth of twenty men. Side effects are rare but include dry mouth,
itchy scalp, smelly feet, and living."
Laura Leff has entered this room.
[KayLhota] I came across a mention in book that Hilliard Marks
partly wrote that Hilliard was Felix and Jack was Oscar
[KayLhota] Hi Laura
[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Laura!
[Laura Leff] Hi folks!
[Maxwell] Hey Boss
[Laura Leff] Kay - Oh, the Benny biography by Marcia Borie?
[Frank J. Lhota] Romeo: Is this poison effective?
Apothecary: OOOOOOOOH IS IT!
steve -shimp- has entered this room.
[Maxwell] Hey steve
[Brad from Georgia] Hiya, Steve!
[steve -shimp-] Hi Evabuddy
[Laura Leff] Kay - Hilliard and Mary's contributions to the book
are mainly relegated to the places where they're being directly interviewed,
[Laura Leff] Hi Steve!
[KayLhota] We should paste up the conversation before Laura
arrived and email it to her
[Laura Leff] Sure, that would be great!
[Brad from Georgia] Somebody do that as knows
[Maxwell] My email isn't open.
[steve -shimp-] What'd I miss? Geez, it's a minute after eight!
[Laura Leff] Click on that part of the screen, do Ctrl-A, then
Ctrl-C it into an E-mail.
[Laura Leff] Or rather Ctrl-V it into an E-mail.
[Brad from Georgia] We were talking about my
theatrical career, Laura. I'm in "Romeo and Juliet" for our college as
Montague, Romeo's pop.
[steve -shimp-] Congrats Brad!
[KayLhota] what is your email, Laura?
[Laura Leff] Brad - Ah yes, I remember you mentioning that last
month. How's it going?
[Frank J. Lhota] Jack Benny to Frank Nelson:
"Doest though bite your thumb at me?" Frank: "No, I'm a late
[Laura Leff] firstname.lastname@example.org
[steve -shimp-] Hey Max has the same e-mail as Laura!
[Laura Leff] Is that why I keep getting his mail?
[steve -shimp-] Does he send the bills to you?
[Maxwell] That explains EVERYTHING!
[Laura Leff] They do seem to stay there...
[Brad from Georgia] It's going fine, Laura. We
begin performances a week from tonight--this is my only off night for about
[Laura Leff] Is it community theatre, or what?
[Brad from Georgia] College theater, with some
[Maxwell] You need to start the play like the opening to Mr.
[Brad from Georgia] In my last scene, I come in
to find everybody dead and tell the Prince that my wife is dead too. I knew my
lines long berfore anyone else ('cos I don't have very many).....
[Laura Leff] And here comes Lord Capulet...do you have a few
words for our listening audience?
[Brad from Georgia] ...so one night I SANG my
lines, to the tune of "Greensleeves": Alas, my liege, my wife is
[Maxwell] I'm cracking up here.
[steve -shimp-] Lord Capulet would like to remind you that half
the price of every cigarette you buy supports your local, state, and federal
[Laura Leff] So remember, kids, smoking is good for the economy!
[Maxwell] Ironic opening to tonight's show considering the fact
that the Feds just raised the cigarette tax.
[Frank J. Lhota] Don, announce Juliet's
betrothal, but first put in a good word for Lucky Strikes.
[Laura Leff] So just keep tearing up those cigarettes instead of
[steve -shimp-] And it's a lot more free, smooth, and easy on
the draw than that poison Romeo and Juliet took.
[Brad from Georgia] Another night the director
started talking to another actor as I was starting the line, so I said,
"Alas, my liege, my wife is dead tonight. Grief of my son's exile hath
stop'd her breath. So do you know any chick interested in an older man? I'm
[Maxwell] But she must be so round, so firm, so fully packed....
[Laura Leff] Come on, it's the 1560s...why can't these kids just
smoke pot instead of killing themselves?
[Frank J. Lhota] It's amazing that cigarette
prices were 50% tax even back then.
[Brad from Georgia] I think the funniest moment
came when Friar Laurence said, "For doting, not for loving, pupil mine. O
$#!7, I have forgot the very next line."
[steve -shimp-] If it was the 1580s, they'd be so coked up no
one would care about this silly family feud.
[Brad from Georgia] I did like tonight's show.
Yah tum te ta tum te tum, Happy Easter....
[Laura Leff] Thanks for the transition back to tonight's show!
[KayLhota] the singing was so cute
[steve -shimp-] Jack's bad singing always makes me laugh. He's
still better than me though!
[Laura Leff] Mary's deep, Parliament singing voice.
[KayLhota] and, Arthur Q. Bryan's bit was hysterical
[Brad from Georgia] It's a shame that Arthur Q
Bryan died in 1959. He would have been great if he could have been cast as Dirty
Harry! "Do ya feel wukky, punk?"
[Maxwell] Wucky Stwikes.
[KayLhota] oh, he was very good
[Laura Leff] He was used several times on the show...easy voice
to spot. Even easier than Joe Kearns.
Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[Laura Leff] Absolutely no one else sounds like that.
[Maxwell] Just listen for Doc Gamble.
[KayLhota] Mary's voice was deep but in pitch
Mike Amo has entered this room.
[Brad from Georgia] "Do you want some
[Brad from Georgia] Hi Mike!
[Laura Leff] Hi Mike!
[Mike Amo] Jello folks
[steve -shimp-] Hi Mike
[KayLhota] Hi Mike
[Maxwell] Hi Mike
[Brad from Georgia] After Bryan passed away and
Mel Blanc started doing Elmer, it was never the same--rarely even close, to my
[Maxwell] Hal Smith also did Elmer in a cartoon or two.
[KayLhota] Mel Blanc didn't like to do imitations
[Mike Amo] I never make it, but I'm at a working computer, awake
(I think), and not in Africa
[Laura Leff] So just a general question...Mel Blanc did so many
voices for WB. Why, other than simple talent, was Bryan the one seeming holdout
who did a different voice?
[Brad from Georgia] Ya know, I've heard Bryan as
Doc Gamble on "Fibber McGee," but I can't recall his voice at all!
[KayLhota] I'm not sure I understand your question, Laura.
[Brad from Georgia] Laura--I know! Elmer was
actually physically modeled on Bryan in the first cartoons. That's why they
ballooned him up.
[steve -shimp-] Good question. June Foray makes sense since she
could do more feminine voices than Mel.
Frank J. Lhota has entered this room.
[Mike Amo] Hi Frank
[KayLhota] hi again Frank
[Laura Leff] Brad - OK, thanks! I did notice the physical
resemblance when I saw a film of Bryan.
[Brad from Georgia] They wanted the voice to
match the physical reprentation.
[Laura Leff] So Mel looks like Foghorn Leghorn and Yosemite Sam?
[Laura Leff] (Not to mention Bugs Bunny?)
[Maxwell] The Elmer Fudd name was originally used in a cartoon
with Egghead, who is generally accepted as being the direct ancestor of Elmer.
[Maxwell] But who looks nothing like Elmer.
[KayLhota] a lot of actors did voices for the WB cartoons, but
Mel got sole credit because of the good deal he got
[Brad from Georgia] I've mentioned it before, but
a jolting moment in the radio version of "It's a Wonderful Life"
occurs when Bryan speaks as Clarence the Angel..in Fudd's voice.
[Laura Leff] Egghead is the ancestor of Elmer, or the character
with Egghead is?
[KayLhota] yes, that is unnerving, Brad
[Maxwell] Egghead supposedly evolved into Elmer.
[Brad from Georgia] Egghead was the remote
ancestor of Elmer--he is identified as Elmer Fudd in a stencil on the side of a
scooter in one cartoon.
[Laura Leff] cwawence?
[Frank J. Lhota] Bob Clampett orinally wanted
Elmer Fudd to look like Don Wilson.
[KayLhota] when he says, "You wished it so"
[steve -shimp-] I loved him on BATMAN
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OK, thanks for the clarification.
[Laura Leff] Frank - No kidding!
[Brad from Georgia] But when they decided to
create a hunter nemesis for the wabbit, someone thought of Bryan's double-you
laden voice and they sent for him and redesigned the character completely.
[Laura Leff] Frank - But when was that? It had to be early 30s,
and Don wasn't that well-known yet.
[Maxwell] Elmer started out looking more like his modern
version, but then (I think) Friz Freleng decided to model him more on Bryan's
[Maxwell] Elmer didn't come into being until the late '30s.
[steve -shimp-] No offense to Donsie, but there isn't much about
him other than size that would make an appealing cartoon model.
[KayLhota] What I didn't realize until recently was that Bryan
was doing that voice a lot on radio. "Waymond Wadcwiffe"
[steve -shimp-] On Jack's TV show his face is always so frozen
that he looks like an early Botox test case.
[Mike Amo] He's kind of Santa-like to me
[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--I think it was Bob
Clampett, but even in the first appearance, Elmer's face was modeled on Bryan's.
The nose is vewy wewy red.
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OK, got it. By that time, Don was known.
I think of the early 30s Porky Pigs that were basically a ball with a head.
[Maxwell] might have been Clampett.
[Frank J. Lhota] No, that was early forties. And
besides, I was just joking about the fact that the early Bob Clampett Elmer was
[Mike Amo] And the head is vewwy big
[Brad from Georgia] I did like Mary's singing and
Jack's, uh, laid-back Midwestern scat-singing!
[steve -shimp-] flat scat singing?
[Maxwell] That's the way we scat around these parts.
[KayLhota] it's a charming episode, and I haven't heard as much
from that period
[Laura Leff] Well, he was from near Chicago, so maybe that gives
him some license.
[KayLhota] I'm still catching up on 40's episodes
[Brad from Georgia] I've heard a lot of Benny
shows lately, so I can't remember which one it was, but in one of the shows Jack
breaks character and asks the audience, "Gee, isn't this a silly way to
earn a living?" Fits this show.
[Maxwell] I'm waiting to retire. Then I'll listen to all that
[Laura Leff] It's one of the last really good episodes, because
Phil was about to leave and Jack's TV show was going to ramp up.
[steve -shimp-] Did anyone ever live in a town where they HAD an
Easter Parade? That seems to have dropped from civic life before my time.
[Brad from Georgia] I find this show charming,
too, despite the fact that I love the loosey-goosey feeling of some of the
[Maxwell] My town was too small to have an Easter parade.
[Brad from Georgia] I don't remember any Easter
parade in our town, ever. Egg hunts, yes, parades no.
[Frank J. Lhota] Looking at my 401K, I may have
to delay retirement until my next life.
[KayLhota] Yes, my town had a big Easter Parade when I was
growing up. But it was a week or so before Easter
[Laura Leff] It is, as I'm sure 39F owners know, a heavily
recycled show from 1949.
[steve -shimp-] There are other radio shows from about this time
that talk about them, similar vein, with the whole town in their Sunday best
[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--in Marshall,
Michigan there's a big Halloween parade. About everyone in town's in it! So
after one block, the leading marchers peel off and become spectators, then in
the next block the next batch peels off....
[Laura Leff] My school had a Halloween parade where all the kids
dressed up in their costumes and walked around.
[steve -shimp-] We had kids Halloween parades in my town in Mich
[Laura Leff] It must be a Michigan thing.
[Maxwell] They must love parades in Michigan.
[steve -shimp-] I guess we're more Satanic up there. Halloween,
yes, Easter, no.
[Maxwell] We used to have a parade on May 1.
[Laura Leff] Western Michigan
[KayLhota] Or a midwest thing. Park Ridge IL had a Halloween
costume parade when I was little
[Laura Leff] Too *@($@ cold on Easter, sometimes.
[Maxwell] "Loyalty Day" (to combat the threat of
[steve -shimp-] True that!
[Brad from Georgia] It's interesting that Jack
had so much fun with two Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter. Though I
think he actually was going back to the roots of jolly Yule and the Eostre
celebration of new life.
[Maxwell] We also had a parade for the high school homecoming.
[Brad from Georgia] Is there currently an Easter
Parade in Hollywood?
[Laura Leff] Well, the hare and egg are the symbols of one of
the fertility goddesses...
[steve -shimp-] But which came first?
[Maxwell] Mary's mink.
[Brad from Georgia] I remember always getting a
new set of Sunday clothes for Easter to wear to church.
[steve -shimp-] the hare or the egg that is?
[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, but not like this. I think it's a
little more tawdry...
[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--That was a great
gag, wasn't it? Really well paced and the payoff was perfect.
[Maxwell] Yup...I think that was my biggest guffaw as I
[Laura Leff] Probably the egg, because you need Rogaine to make
[Brad from Georgia] You know that
"tawdry" is short for "St. Audrey," the tackiest saint in
[steve -shimp-] LL - OUCH!
She was married to St. Jackie, wasn't she.
[Laura Leff] St. Jackie Mason
[Brad from Georgia] I dunno. It's sort of
charming in itself to think of people dressed to the nines (and three sheets to
the wind in Phil's case) and promenading on a sunny Sunday in spring.
[Mike Amo] I wondered myself...checked Google...other than
Irving Berlin's 1948 film, the Easter Parade was a popular tradition in many
cities during the 1880s-1950s
[Brad from Georgia] The song is much older than
the movie, isn't it?
[steve -shimp-] I agree Brad, it's one of those corny things of
a byegone age that's a bit sad it's gone.
[Laura Leff] I wonder how it started.
[steve -shimp-] Like a maypole or something.
[KayLhota] yes, the song is old.
[Maxwell] Easter Parade?
[Maxwell] It was written in the '30s.
[Maxwell] Clifton Webb originally sang it.
[Laura Leff] When no one had the money to buy the clothes
[KayLhota] For the musical review "As Thousands
[KayLhota] "Heat Wave" came from the same revue
[Laura Leff] She certainly can can-can
[Maxwell] Yup...the "plot" was that each number was
connected to a section of the newspaper.
[Brad from Georgia] I'd like for the Georgia
Legislature to parade down the street on Easter, so the rest of us could pelt 'em
[steve -shimp-] ooooh, BOILED!
[Maxwell] Easter Parade was for the rotograveur (sp?) section.
[Brad from Georgia] Got to go have dinner! I'll
check back later.
[KayLhota] see you Brad
[Frank J. Lhota] What is a rotograueur anyways?
[steve -shimp-] Bye Brad
[Laura Leff] have a good one, Brad
[Maxwell] You should eat earlier....So long Brad.
[Maxwell] I think it was a photosection.
[Maxwell] space between photo and section.
[Laura Leff] I thought it was a section of the newspaper like a
magazine that had a lot of pix
[KayLhota] rotograveur? I always thought it was the photo
section of the newspaper
[steve -shimp-] I call them when my drain is clogged up.
[Maxwell] That's three of us who agree.
[KayLhota] good one Steve
[Maxwell] And steve thinks its a plumber.
[steve -shimp-] No, that's Gladys Zybisco
[Laura Leff] Maybe it's pictures of a plumber
[Maxwell] Steve has plumbed the depths.
[Frank J. Lhota] Rotograveur sounds like
something invented by Ron Popiel.
[Maxwell] No, that's Jane Withers.
[Mike Amo] LOL, I have to do the same as Brad...I'm at my
sister's, and she and the kids are having dinner
[Laura Leff] Stuck in his thumb and pulled out a plumb
[steve -shimp-] It's a device for digging circular graves.
[KayLhota] have a good dinner Mike
[steve -shimp-] For your dead octopus.
[Laura Leff] Eat well, Mike~
[Maxwell] So long Mike. Bon appetit.
[steve -shimp-] Bye mike
[Frank J. Lhota] Maybe Rotograveur is an oxy
[Maxwell] Bite your tongue, Frank.
[Mike Amo] I was impressed that Jack and Mary seemed to
encounter everyone from the show...even Gladys
[Laura Leff] Now that I don't understand at all.
[Laura Leff] Gladys?
[Mike Amo] Kind of like Allen's Alley
[Laura Leff] Mabel and Gertrude
[steve -shimp-] No Frank Nelson...
[Mike Amo] Oops, the operators
[Mike Amo] Hans Conried did not show up either
[KayLhota] well, Hans couldn't be in everything
[steve -shimp-] Hans Conried ALWAYS shows up, at least in this
[Laura Leff] And I thought he was inevitable
[Frank J. Lhota] Apothecary! Do you sell
Rotograeur? Apothecary: Oh Mr. Benny, PLEASE!
[Laura Leff] Maybe he was in the studio audience
[Maxwell] In this case it was inevitable that he didn't show up.
[Mike Amo] They're hollerin'...I'll bring back Grape Nuts
[Laura Leff] Or Jell-O
[Laura Leff] So what else about tonight's show?
[Laura Leff] Interesting to have Dennis' song so late in the
[KayLhota] Sheldon Leonard's bit was a hoot
[Laura Leff] I went back to the script to see if that was
[steve -shimp-] Dennis' line about getting "proper
credit" gave me an aha moment.
[Maxwell] Essentially it finished the show.
[Frank J. Lhota] I liked the musical interludes.
[Maxwell] But what better way to close the show than Easter
[Laura Leff] If it had been a movie, the last shot would have
been a crane shot pullback of Dennis singing on a street corner with his hands
up, as everyone else paraded around him.
[steve -shimp-] Has anyone noticed on Jack's TV show, the
regular cast NEVER get an on-screen credit? I find that kind of bizarre.
[Laura Leff] Steve - Star Trek
[steve -shimp-] ?
[Laura Leff] Well, they get it at the end of the show
[Frank J. Lhota] Credits were not as big a deal
on early television.
[steve -shimp-] No, that's the thing. Don, Mary, Roch, Dennis -
never get credits when they are on.
[steve -shimp-] Even into the sixties.
[Laura Leff] Yes, you're right. I forgot that the supporting
cast got fast credits at the end.
[Maxwell] Well, there's a reason Mary didn't get credit in the
[Laura Leff] She would have bought too much?
[steve -shimp-] Yes. Supporting cast does.
[KayLhota] ouch Laura
[Maxwell] LL That, too.
[Frank J. Lhota] Radio credits were even more
minimal, given that the audience would not listen to a lengthy list of names.
[steve -shimp-] It's interesting to me though, the main cast was
so well known, they never get a credit.
[steve -shimp-] So there's never even an issue, say, as to how
Eddie Anderson was billed.
[Laura Leff] But they get credit at the top of the show in Don's
[Laura Leff] On radio
[steve -shimp-] On radio though, not TV. Usually Don gives the
guest star on TV.
[Laura Leff] Well, let's think about this for a minute. Does the
whole cast of other shows get credits?
[steve -shimp-] Yes, usually!
[Laura Leff] I haven't seen "Your Show of Shows"
[KayLhota] depended on the series
[Maxwell] One rather odd thing they did on a lot of shows in the
'50s that stopped sometime around 1960 was for the announcer to read a list of
the supporting cast with the names not shown.
[Maxwell] Appearing on tonight's show were....
[KayLhota] I've never seen intact episodes of Your Show of Shows
to see the credits
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Don did that sometimes on TV.
[steve -shimp-] Yeah, I've heard that Maxwell. I assume that was
to spare expense of printing up new end titles each week.
[Maxwell] That's my guess, too.
[Laura Leff] How about Milton Berle? Was Arnold Stang in the
credits? (I don't know)
[Maxwell] I remember that particularly for Burns and Allen.
[KayLhota] I don't know
[Frank J. Lhota] "Your Show of Shows"
is now often shown with the musical numbers removed.
[Maxwell] Probably because they still show reruns of that here.
[Laura Leff] What other shows were contemporary in the early
[Brad from Georgia] I'm back, full of zucchini
[steve -shimp-] I could check, but that would mean watching some
of Berle's shows...
[KayLhota] on I Love Lucy, the supporting cast was spoken on air
at the end
[Laura Leff] Steve - Not a Berle fan, eh?
[steve -shimp-] But the I Love Lucy parallel would be like
Vivian Vance and William Frawley. Who WERE credited.
[Maxwell] Berle's show was pretty bad.
[Laura Leff] Kay - Not always...I saw Sam Hearn on a show, and
watched all the way to the end and he got no crefdit.
[steve -shimp-] It's obnoxiously painful to watch, I have to
[Brad from Georgia] But he gave Arnod Stang a
steve They're given written credit with the "new" opening title. I
don't remember if they were in the '50s with the original titles.
[Frank J. Lhota] Berle: "Apothecary!"
[steve -shimp-] I think they were, because TV Land started using
modified "original" credits a few years ago.
[Brad from Georgia] Stang: Woddya want/
[Maxwell] The stick figure credits?
[steve -shimp-] Yeah
[steve -shimp-] They blocked out "Philip Morris" and
put a vintage looking "TV Land" logo in there.
[Brad from Georgia] Stang: So you want I should
sell you perzon?
[steve -shimp-] Not the "Heart" credits.
[Maxwell] They quit using those when CBS started showing the
show in their daytime lineup.
[Maxwell] Which brings up another thing that peeves me.
[Brad from Georgia] Hey, my daughter got in the
movies! Unfortunately, it was a police film of her running a red light...we're
out seventy bucks for the fine.\
[KayLhota] ouch, Brad
[Brad from Georgia] Sorry, Max, state yo' peeve.
[Laura Leff] Mazel tov
[Brad from Georgia] Thanks. She was in a show in
Atlanta, "The Phantom Limb," a laff riot about serial child killer
Albert Fish, and she was late that day. The left-turn arrow had just gone red
when she turned.
[steve -shimp-] Get that girl a Maxwell they don't go that fast.
[Maxwell] One of our TV stations (the one that shows Jack in
fact) is showing reruns of the half-hour Gunsmoke episodes, but they're using
the "Marshall Dillon" opening and theme that CBS put in when they
showed reruns while the hour show was still running....
[Maxwell] I want the Gunsmoke theme, darn it!
[Brad from Georgia] I used to know the lyrics to
the "Gunsmoke" theme.
[KayLhota] so, you hate the altered titles. I don't blame you
[Laura Leff] Is there a chance there was a sponsor bug or
mention in there?
[Brad from Georgia] I've forgotten them now, so I
just sing "Easter Parade" to the "Gunsmoke" tune.
[Frank J. Lhota] On TV, what model and year did
they use for the Maxwell?
[Brad from Georgia] A 1923 Maxwell super sport.
[Laura Leff] Altered Benny titles peeve me off too. Makes it
hard to look at a show and know, at a glance, the era it's from.
[Brad from Georgia] (I'm lying. I don't know cars
[KayLhota] good one, Brad
[Laura Leff] Frank - I sat in it.
[steve -shimp-] A lot of them have a "1954" copyright
note on the title card, then it's a show from like 1960!
[Laura Leff] Brad - No, you're right (IIRC)...1923 Maxwell.
[KayLhota] I did see a maxwell in 1970 on the tour at Universal
[Maxwell] Kay They've also left out all of the program intros
with Dillon walking in Boot Hill cemetary and doing a voiceover.
[Laura Leff] Steve - Yep, that's it exactly!
[Frank J. Lhota] Thanks Brad. Now will Obama make
GM produce more Maxwells?
[Maxwell] I thought Maxwell became part of Chrysler.
[Frank J. Lhota] OK
[Brad from Georgia] I'm glad they don't update
the radio Benny shows with new introdutions. "AGGHHHH...IT'S the jack benny
PROGRAM, starring JACK benny, AGGGGHH, Mary Livingstone, Phil Harris, Dennis
day, and YOURS TRULY, Bobcat Goldthwaite."
[Laura Leff] Yeah, what Maxwell said.
[steve -shimp-] Maxwell-Fiat hybrids are going to be big next
[KayLhota] funny Steve
[Laura Leff] All-electric Maxwell
[steve -shimp-] That sounded more like Pee Wee Herman to me
[Maxwell] I need to change my name. I keep getting a cuckoo
every time somebody mentions a particular brand of car.
[steve -shimp-] we'll just putt-putt-cough-wheeze from now on.
[Brad from Georgia] You could start your own
"Laurel and Hardy" theme, Max.
[Laura Leff] Brad - Then again, a syndicator back in the 80s did
hack some of them up pretty good!
[Maxwell] Brad, not a bad idea.
[Frank J. Lhota] "Pop open the hood of your
Maxwell-Fiat, and notice how the engine is so firmly packed."
[Maxwell] When I was young I resembled Stan. Now I'm closer to
[KayLhota] funny Frank
[Brad from Georgia] And it's economical! It uses
no gas, but runs on any of the six delicious flavors of Jell-O!
[Laura Leff] Jack promotes American Motors Cars on one of his
specials. I really liked the irony.
[Maxwell] It runs best on raspberry.
[steve -shimp-] The Maxwells of the seventies!
yhtapmys has entered this room.
[Laura Leff] Hi Yht!
[KayLhota] Hi Yht
[steve -shimp-] yip yip yhtapymys
[Maxwell] yeH yth!
[yhtapmys] Hi Alura
[Brad from Georgia] Max--same here, alas. In high
school for Halloween a chubby chum and I went to the dance as Laurel and Hardy.
Our dates hated us for that 'cos we had to stay together most of the night for
it to make sense.
[Laura Leff] That's alluring...
[Frank J. Lhota] Hey, maybe Crysler can bring
back the Gremlin.
[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Yht~
[Laura Leff] Bring back the Dodge Dart!
[Maxwell] Or the Hudson Hornet!
[Laura Leff] Bring back the Yugo!
[Brad from Georgia] Frank-I don't think they
worked out very well. You couldn't gas them up after midnight.
[steve -shimp-] Invent the Dodge Lawn Dart!
[Brad from Georgia] Or get them wet.
[KayLhota] FUNNY Brad!
[yhtapmys] Just makes sure that lawn dart isn't wet...
[steve -shimp-] The Ford Mogwai was a better seller.
[yhtapmys] ...it'll make the grass reek!
[Laura Leff] Bring back the Edsel!
[Maxwell] The car that looked like it was sucking on a lemon.
[Laura Leff] Steve - That sounds like a good car for Arthur Q.
Bryan to sell.
[Brad from Georgia] We had a '73 Dodge Dart slant
6. We drove it for 240,000 miles. Gosh, we got sick of that thing. Tried to kill
it. Never changed the oil. It kept on going.
from Georgia] My dad drove a Hudson Hornet back in the fifties. Man, I loved
J. Lhota] It was a zombie dart.
that says a lot for that model car that it was the thing that wouldn't die
[Maxwell] The Nash had seats that would fold down into a bed.
[Laura Leff] Not even when you wanted it to.
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Well, that's why they called them
[Brad from Georgia] Yes, the slant 6 was a
famously hardy engine. Trouble was, the seats were wearing out, the roof lining
was so brittle it tattered if you brushed it, the body was rusting through..but
the engine kept chugging along.
[steve -shimp-] They call us here in this chat room ramblers
[KayLhota] oh Max. On those long car trips that would have been
[Laura Leff] Bring back the Chevelle!
[Brad from Georgia] We used to hop in our un-airconditioned
Dodge Dart and tool down to Florida for vacations. It's a wonder we didn't bake
[Maxwell] Every teenager in America wanted one.
[KayLhota] I can imagine
[Laura Leff] So if Jack was replacing his Maxwell today, what
would he buy?
[Frank J. Lhota] Remember the Gremin's so called
back seat? I think it would be fair to say that it seats 2 1/2 people.
[steve -shimp-] A Pinto.
[Maxwell] A Chevy Vega
[Brad from Georgia] I remember once Barbara and I
were driving through Florida in 100-degree plus weather; the lovebugs were out,
coating the windshield; we got so thirsty we stopped at a gas station and each
of us drank a whole quart of chocolate milk.
[Mike Amo] I miss my '61 Olds
[Brad from Georgia] I think Jack might go for one
of those new Indian cars.
[Laura Leff] I'm trying to remember the Chevy Vega
[Maxwell] LL Think rust.
[KayLhota] My Dad had one, laura. It rusted so much
[Maxwell] They all had rust.
[Laura Leff] Nuff said.
[steve -shimp-] Maxwell!
[steve -shimp-] So true.
[Maxwell] And the aluminum block warped.
[Maxwell] On my honeymoon in the case of my Vega.
[KayLhota] cute little car
[Laura Leff] Maybe a used Yugo.
[Frank J. Lhota] Ecologists could promote fuel
economy by making stickers reading WWBD? (What Would Benny Drive?)
[Laura Leff] But it would probably create too much smog and kill
[steve -shimp-] It's funny, auto paint must really have
improved, or they're making them all out of plastic, but you rarely see RUSTY
cars like you used to.
Frank J. Lhota has logged out.
[Maxwell] Went through three heater cores in 75,000 miles with
[Brad from Georgia] Worst car I ever owned, hands
down, was a Chevrolet Corvair. Engineint he rear. When you turned into your
driveway, you spun like a top.
[Laura Leff] I remember in Michigan, the first thing my parents
did after buying a car was take it to Ziebart for rust protection.
Frank J. Lhota has entered this room.
[steve -shimp-] which I always heard was a scam
[Mike Amo] My Olds F-85 got 12 miles to the gallon
[Brad from Georgia] While I was eating, did we
discuss Professor LeBlanc in tonight's episode?
[Maxwell] My dad always had his car undercoated.
[Laura Leff] Brad - Nope, hasn't been mentioned yet.
[Frank J. Lhota] Not yet.
[Brad from Georgia] Oh. What did you think of
[Maxwell] Bring him up Brad.
[Mike Amo] How about Sheldon Leonard?
[steve -shimp-] Is there something edited out after Prof.
[Maxwell] Better him than your supper.
[steve -shimp-] There's a die-down in applause then a gap.
[Frank J. Lhota] Prof LeBlanc: Apothecary!
[KayLhota] It sounded like there were some cuts
[Laura Leff] Steve - No, it's just a bad edit in the
[Brad from Georgia] It sounded a couple of times
as if the show had been recorded on disks with some kind of overlap.
[Laura Leff] Or probably that whomever was copying it off the
transcription discs forgot to edit out that silence.
[steve -shimp-] Right, I was confused because it runs the whole
[Laura Leff] I checked the script on that one too.
[Brad from Georgia] Mel Blanc as the Apothecary:
"But Mr. Romeo--I made such a nice package of the poison--and now I gotta
unwrap it and--and--(sobs)"
[Laura Leff] In fact, the show ran slightly long and PSA from
Don for the Red Cross was cut.
[Laura Leff] So what else about LeBlanc?
[Brad from Georgia] "Look for the big Red
Cross when you've been injured and need blood, friends. It's a grand way to pump
corpuslces into your system!"
[KayLhota] Mel Blanc's bits are always my favorites.
[Brad from Georgia] corpuscles.
[Laura Leff] At the sign of the flying horse
[Laura Leff] First there's a captain, then there's a lietenant,
then there's a corpuscle.
[steve -shimp-] The Red Cross now has six delicious flavors, A,
B, AB, O, and something about Rhesus Monkeys.
[Brad from Georgia] I like the way deadpan Mel
keeps breaking Jack up.
[Laura Leff] There was another time in the show where it sounded
like Jack was breaking up, but I can't remember it.
[Brad from Georgia] Oh--Mark Evanier, cartoon
historian, accuses Mel of being Not a Very Nice Man when it comes to Bob
Clampett. Mel and Chuck Jones both apparently held a grudge against Clampett.
[Laura Leff] You just hear the audience laughter going on, and I
think it's laughing at Jack laughing.
[steve -shimp-] Jack's always chuckling at Kitzel...
[Laura Leff] Brad - For what?
[Brad from Georgia] LL--Yes, I noticed that too.
[KayLhota] Oh, there are stories about Bob Clampett from a lot
[yhtapmys] I talked to him once, Kay. He seemed like a nice guy
[Frank J. Lhota] Tex Avery also had a beef with
Clampett over the issue of who created Bugs Bunny.
[KayLhota] Daws Butler and Stan Freberg had their issues with
[Maxwell] The answer is simple: Bugs Hardaway.
[Brad from Georgia] LL--Jones got miffed when
Clampett claimed sole credit for creating Bugs Bunny; Mel when Clampett
downplayed the importance of the voice and disputed Mel's version of seeing a
sketch and then coming up with the "tough little guy" voice.
[Laura Leff] Kay - Him being Clampett?
[KayLhota] Frank and I met Bob Clampett as well, and yes, he was
[KayLhota] yes, Clampett, Laura.
[Brad from Georgia] Chuck Jones never liked him,
evidently, and bad-mouthed him in a good many interviews.
[Maxwell] Clampett still made the best Bugs cartoon ever.
[Frank J. Lhota] I agree that Clampett, in
person, comes across as likeable.
[KayLhota] yes, and Bob Clampett to his credit never bad-mouthed
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Which was?
[Maxwell] Falling Hare.
[Brad from Georgia] Evanier agrees that Clampett
was more-less a nice guy, and implies that Mel (and Chuck) could be petty and
[Laura Leff] I still like Rabbit Rampage.
[KayLhota] Brad, I have heard that Chuck Jones could hold a good
[steve -shimp-] Mel told everyone to kiss his ass on his license
[Laura Leff] I heard there were some egos between Mel and Frank
Nelson, but the story's had some telephone done to it, so I don't know how true
[KayLhota] and I read that in the 1930's at the animation studio
one of the artists drew a sketch
[Brad from Georgia] Jones was very charming when
we met him--and he went nuts over our kids. 'Course, they were dressed as Marvin
Martian and Daffy Duck at the time, but still.
[Frank J. Lhota] Tex Avery did have a fair for
Bugs, it is a pity that he didn't get to direct him longer.
[KayLhota] of Jones and Clampett walking back to back so that neither could back-stab the other
[Laura Leff] I'm sure there was a good bit of creative sharing
during that time
[Mike Amo] Maxwell, was the the barber one?
[Laura Leff] which probably had a lot of people coming up with
[KayLhota] well, as an audience member, I love the work of all
of them, and I don't care who got along or didn't
[Maxwell] Falling Hare?
[Maxwell] That was the one with the gremlin.
[Brad from Georgia] No, I'm not lying. My kids
won first prize in costumes as Marvin Martian and Daffy Duck at the World
Science Fiction Convention in 1987. Barbara made the costumes.
[Laura Leff] Sort of like the question of who invented radio,
television, or the telephone.
[KayLhota] yes, Laura.
[Frank J. Lhota] Friz Freling also had a beef
with Clampett. Clampett encouraged Friz to make a disasterous move to MGM.
[steve -shimp-] Marconi, Jack Benny, Alexander Graham Bell.
[KayLhota] In Mel Blan'c book, he said that he got along with
everyone except Gale Gordon
[Maxwell] No, Don Ameche invented the telephone!
[Mike Amo] I guess it would happen over that many years working
that closely...how did Disney's people get along?
[Laura Leff] Ub Iwerks
[KayLhota] Disney's studio was a much tighter ship
[Frank J. Lhota] I've heard that Gale Gordon
could be a bit snippy off screen. Lucy liked working for him, however.
[Maxwell] Iwerks even left Disney to create Flip the Frog, and
we all know how successful that was.
[steve -shimp-] Flip the Frog is legendary in my family.
[Brad from Georgia] Walt "Pogo" Kelly
liked the artists at Disney, hated the old guy himself. He walked out in the
[Maxwell] Disney had a pretty bitter strike iirc.
[yhtapmys] It's human nature. Not everyone's going to get along
with the same people. So you'll hear different stories about them.
[Frank J. Lhota] Iwerks was a great animator, but
he was not great with stories.
[Brad from Georgia] The Nine Old Men at Disney
apparently were pretty much a happy family of animators, but they got stuck in
[KayLhota] Selby Kelly was an inker at Disney when Walt Kelly
was an animator, and she said that
[KayLhota] any fraternizing between inkers and animator could
get you fired so they didn't meet until the left Disney
[Mike Amo] Wow, that IS a tight ship
[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--yep, the strike was
divisive. I read that they had to get Disney out of the country before they
could settle it by negotiation, because he would concede a point, stew about it,
blow up, and rescind his decission.
[Laura Leff] No sex please, we're Disney
[Frank J. Lhota] A number of the founders of UPA
were Disney people who left around the time of the strike.
[Maxwell] Frank, right.
[Laura Leff] Brad - So who proxied for Disney in negotiations?
[Brad from Georgia] There was one animator that
the courts decided Disney had improperly fired, and Disney took him back
on...and gave him a desk but refused to let him do any work!
[KayLhota] and nobody has a bad word about Jack Benny
[Brad from Georgia] LL--Roy Disney.
[Mike Amo] I have to read that Disney bio I have...never any
[Laura Leff] Brad - Ah, got it.
[Brad from Georgia] Except that guy who won the
"I Can't Stand Jack Benny" contest....
[yhtapmys] Laura, it was probably Gunther Lessing.
[yhtapmys] He was the corporate lawyer.
[KayLhota] Brad, that artist was Art Babbitt
[Frank J. Lhota] Bob McKimson loved working with
Jack Benny and crew on "The Mouse that Jack Built"
[Brad from Georgia] LL--I think the
family/company got Disney to go on a trip to Florida while the strike was being
settled. And twenty years later, he dreamed up Disney World.
[KayLhota] and the result of the strike, and the rehiring and
all of that put him in hospital
[Laura Leff] Brad - It's funny how things happen like that,
[KayLhota] Not Florida-- it was the trip to South America
[Brad from Georgia] Kay--Yes, he thought he had
an ulcer. His blood pressure did shoot way up. Yes! South America for that
strike, you're right.
[Frank J. Lhota] Disney studios had one composer
who left the studio to join a monastary.
[Maxwell] And traveling to South America inspired him to build
Disney World in FL.
[Maxwell] Or something.
[Brad from Georgia] The Florida trip was later,
after the strike, so he could relax.
[Laura Leff] Frank - Is that from a conversation with McKimson?
I'd love to have more "behind the scenes" on that cartoon.
[KayLhota] Laura, there is some great commentary on "Mouse
that Jack Built" on the DVD
[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, I wondered if that was the source. I
have to see that some time!
[Brad from Georgia] I've read that McKimson was
floored when he asked Jack if he would take scale for voicing the cartoon, and
Jack said, "Oh, don't pay me. Just give me a print of the cartoon."
[steve -shimp-] Who does the commentary Kay?
[Frank J. Lhota] No, unfortuntately Bob McKimson
did very few interviews.
[KayLhota] give me a minute and I'll get the disc
[Brad from Georgia] It's probably Jerry Beck or
Bob Barrier doing the commentary on that one. Let's see if I'm right.....
[steve -shimp-] Oh, don't worry about it if it isn't convenient.
I can look it up.
[yhtapmys] He's interviewed in Danny Peary's book.
[KayLhota] Greg Ford did the commentary for "Mouse that
[Laura Leff] Don't know him.
[yhtapmys] That's the interview everyone quotes because no one
else seems to have talked to him.
[KayLhota] He even names the studio violinist that plays so
[steve -shimp-] OK, I don't know Greg Ford either, but thanks!
from Georgia] Arthur Q. Bryan and Mel Blanc both loved opera. Their shining
moment, of course, was "What's Opera, Doc." And brad strikes out on
for Jack at the beginning
J. Lhota] Yes, Peary's book is the one place on the top of my head where you
can find a McKimson review.
[Brad from Georgia] But who wants to sit on your
head and read?
[KayLhota] Greg Ford is very knowledgeable in the WB animation
and produced some recent cartoons for them
[Brad from Georgia] Greg Ford is crazy about Friz
Freling, I know that.
[Maxwell] I want one more Road Runner cartoon to be produced
with this gag....
[Maxwell] Somewhere in the middle of the chase, a flying stick
of dynamite flies into the screen and blows up in Wile E. Coyote's face.
[Frank J. Lhota] Chuck Jones was also fond of
Freling's work, and praised his excellent sense of timing.
[Laura Leff] brb
[Frank J. Lhota] Maxwell, are you talking about
the running gag with dynamite darts?
[KayLhota] wow, this has turned into the WB animations fan chat
[KayLhota] it's from 1961
[Maxwell] I waited all my life for Chuck Jones to come up with
[KayLhota] I should remember the name of that Road Runner
[Brad from Georgia] On the "Animation
History" chat a few days ago people were trying to name all the celebs
caricatured in "Malibu Beach Party."
[KayLhota] oh my-- I wrote that up years ago for Laura
[Frank J. Lhota] Maybe they could update that
Coyote gag to use dynamite Dodge Darts.
[Maxwell] There were several I didn't recognize.
[Brad from Georgia] "Eatibus Anythingus."
[KayLhota] Laura asked me about one, and I made a stab that it
may have been John Barrymore's wife Elain Barrie
[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--Who? You got George
Raft, I'm sure, Andy Devine, Ned Sparks, "Pill" Harris....
[Mike Amo] I could never remember much by an episode name...just
realized that Jack never had one like a friends title "The One Where Jack
Plays "The Bee'"
[Maxwell] I recognized all of them. I'd have to go back and
watch it again.
[Mike Amo] Brad, always loved those freeze frame subtitles
[Maxwell] There were a few I didn't recognize at all.
[Brad from Georgia] Let's see...Mickey Rooney and
Cary Grant I remember.
[KayLhota] I named as many as I could in order
[KayLhota] and I wrote it up for Laura
[KayLhota] I should check and see if I still have a copy of that
[Brad from Georgia] BTW, I always thought that
the "Phil" caricature looked just weird. On even a good print, he's
[Maxwell] From drinking too much maybe.
[Laura Leff] Kay - I must have published it in the Times.
[Brad from Georgia] Didn't sound much like Phil,
either. Mel did a passable "Winchester," though.
[Laura Leff] Mike - There are some TV shows that do have
semi-official titles. Although the shows themselves weren't identified as that
[Laura Leff] "Harlow Gets a Date"
[Brad from Georgia] They did a very good job in
that cartoon with the Mary/Jack banter early on. Really caught the spirit and
timing of the radio show.
[KayLhota] I found the email with my Malibu Beach Party list
[Brad from Georgia] Let's hear it for Dale White!
Did he ever play any role other than Harlow?
[Laura Leff] Yes, he did
[Laura Leff] He got active in local theatre in later years
[Mike Amo] What's happened with Harlow?
[KayLhota] he was very good as Harlow
[Brad from Georgia] Let's see...there was Spencer
Tracy. (Miss Livingstone, I presume.)
[Laura Leff] He's one of my great regrets. We were in touch, we
agreed I'd interview him, we both got busy, he died.
[Laura Leff] I still need to call his wife and chat with her.
[Mike Amo] That's a shame...I expect he wasn't that old
[Brad from Georgia] Robert Donat . . .
"Goodbye, Mr. Chips."
[Laura Leff] Harlow Gets a Date was supposed to be the set up
for a spinoff.
[Laura Leff] Mike - Not old enough that he should have died so
[Brad from Georgia] I really liked
"Harlow." When crossed, I've often said, "You never did like
me" and stamped my foot.
[KayLhota] oh, when the Don Wilson mouse does that in "The
Mouse that Jack Built" it's brilliant
[Brad from Georgia] And there was Deana Durbin,
of course, singing....\
[KayLhota] it's not that sort of thing that you'd think of, but
it's part of Don's personality
[Maxwell] Okay, in the brief scene with five people sitting and
one of them laughing....
[Maxwell] I'm trying to figure out all of them.
[KayLhota] Brad, if you would like, I can email you my Malibu
[Laura Leff] I still like the gag with Fanny Brice and Ned
[Maxwell] Yeah, that's a good one.
[Maxwell] Kay...email me, too.
Who's doing the laughing...I just can't place him.
[Laura Leff] Or if you can copy-paste it into the window, it
will be in the transcript
[Frank J. Lhota] Was the Maxwell and electric
[Frank J. Lhota] Was the Maxwell an electric car?
[Brad from Georgia] Frank--No, it wasn't.
Leff] Frank - Only if Rochester mis-wired it
[Laura Leff] "I'll try a gallon"
[KayLhota] 01) Jack Benny (Bunny) 02) Mary Livingstone 03) Bob
Hope 04) Bette Davis 05) Andy Devine 06) Spencer Tracy 07) Kay Kyser 08) Robert
Donat (Mr. Chips) 09) Carole Lombard 10) Don Ameche 11) Brunette-- My guess is
that she could be Elaine Barrie, the young w
[Maxwell] That's an underscore after my name.
[Laura Leff] Quick question...do folks want me to excise your
E-mail addresses from the transcript?
[Frank J. Lhota] And how was the Stanley Steamer
powered? Yes, I know it used steam, but how was the steam generated?
[Maxwell] Yes, please.
[KayLhota] wife of John Barrymore. They had been in the news a
great deal at the time during their romance. In the Looney Tunes cartoon "Porky's
Road Race" they can be seen with Elaine runniing towards John Barrymore
squealing: "Calaban! Calaban! I want to see yo
[Maxwell] Frank, it burned kerosene (I think) to power the
[Laura Leff] Frank - I thought it was coal, but that's a guess
on my part.
[KayLhota] Their pet names for one another were Ariel and
Calaban, and Elaine had very pubicly chased him across the country. Elaine had
large dark eyes, and a full mouth, and does resemble the caricature. Other
possible choices are Olivia DeHavilland, and
[KayLhota] Andrea Leeds
[Frank J. Lhota] So the Stanley Steamer used jet
[KayLhota] 12) Robert Taylor 13) George Raft 14) Clark Gable 15)
Greta Garbo 16) Cesar Romero 17) John Barrymore 18) Ned Sparks 19) Fanny Brice
as Baby Snooks 20) Charles Boyer 21) Adolphe Menjou 22) Claudette Colbert 23)
James Cagney 24) Alice Faye 25) Rochester
[KayLhota] 26) Phil (Pill) Harris 27) Fred Astaire and Ginger
Rogers (much of the animation is taken from an earlier Merrie Melodies cartoon,
"September In the Rain") 28) Deanna Durbin 29) Mickey Rooney 30) Cary
from Georgia] Frank--the Stanley Steamer used a kerosene burner (but some
burned gasoline) to heat the boiler. The kerosene versions came after some
[Laura Leff] The things you can learn on a Benny chat.
[Brad from Georgia] Oh, sure, Cesar Romero and
John Barrymore--"I come to bury Cesar..."
[KayLhota] So, the count was 30 stars
[Brad from Georgia] Way to go, Kay!
[Laura Leff] Quite a guest list!
[Laura Leff] Yeah, let's hear it for Kay!
[Brad from Georgia] No wonder that half a pint
didn't go around very well.
[Maxwell] You go, Kay!
[Mike Amo] YAY KAY!
[Frank J. Lhota] Well, this was an "A"
[Maxwell] Okay Kay!
[KayLhota] (bowing politely)
still would like an email of them so I can view at my leisure.
[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on folks' minds?
[steve -shimp-] About tonight's show - Laura, did you ever
interview Stuffy Singer in the Times?
[Brad from Georgia] I did like the very
Benny-like gag: "Boss, that half a pint you bought ain't gonna go very
far." "Well dilute it!" "Okay, but you're gonna have a
powerful big water bill!"
[Maxwell] That's right! This is a Jack Benny chat!
[steve -shimp-] Sorry guys, I enjoyed the WB discussion, just
didn't have a lot to add.
[Frank J. Lhota] A Jack Benny voice was used in
Chuck Jones' cartoon "Daffy Duck and the Dinasaur"
[Laura Leff] Steve - I've interviewed him, but haven't published
[Brad from Georgia] Same voice actor as
"Malibu"; Jack Lescoulie.
[steve -shimp-] Ah, OK. He played Joey in the show tonight.
[Laura Leff] Frank - Yeah, but I still don't buy it even though
everyone says that.
[steve -shimp-] I saw on archive.org
an episode of "Beulah" he was on with Hattie McDaniel and remembered
he did some Benny shows.
[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh yes, I know! I was delighted that there
was someone I knew personally!
[Mike Amo] Not a lot to add here...I ran this and last month's
episodes 3 weeks ago...love the 30s stuff, and both were great anyway, as I
hadn't heard them before
[steve -shimp-] with an unforgettable name!
[Brad from Georgia] Anybody remember Stuffy Durma?
[Maxwell] I remember Stuffy by Coleman Hawkins.
[Laura Leff] Stuffed Derma...I've had that before.
[Maxwell] Other than that, I don't remember any Stuffies.
[Frank J. Lhota] Laura, by a "Jack Benny
voice", I just mean a voice done to sound like Jack Benny, not that Jack
did the cartoon.
[Brad from Georgia] I think the caveman was a
vocal take on Jack, too, just not a visual one.
[Frank J. Lhota] AFAIK "The Mouse that Jack
Built" is the only cartoon where Jack provided a voice.
[Laura Leff] Frank - Oh, I know. I've watched the cartoon a few
times, and there's just not a lot that I latch onto as being specifically
[Brad from Georgia] What nails it for me is the
final comment the spirit of the caveman makes while ascending to heaven on a
cloud: "G'night, folks!"
[Laura Leff] Frank - Yes, I'm not aware of him doing any other
[Mike Amo] Jack Lescoulie! I remember him from the Today show in
the early 1960s
[KayLhota] it does sound to me like Mel Blanc is doing a jack
[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, that was the only thing that struck me.
[Maxwell] Mike, Yup, he did the sports.
[yhtapmys] All I know about Lescoulie is he threw a hissy fit
and was fired from the Today Show.
[Brad from Georgia] Mike--Yes, right. He had a
legendary feud with J. Fred Muggs.
[KayLhota] not exactly an imitation, but an impression
[Maxwell] He was also Jackie Gleawson's announcer in the '50s.
[yhtapmys] Max, he was?
[Laura Leff] I see Arthur Q. Bryan hasn't completely left us
[yhtapmys] I always thought Johnny Olsen did his show.
[Frank J. Lhota] Yes, but the caveman should have
prefixed "G'night folks" with the phrase "We're running a little
[Maxwell] Or Jackie Gleason.
[Mike Amo] I wondered what happened to him...Baba Wawa was there
at the same time
[Maxwell] Lescoulie was on the Today Show in the '50s.
[Laura Leff] Frank - The only thing is that I don't think he'd
said that by then. That was more 40s.
[Maxwell] with Garroway and Frank Blair.
[yhtapmys] Mike, I'd have to dig out my Today Show book.
[yhtapmys] He got huffy about something and refused to do it and
they fired him.
[Brad from Georgia] Kay--Mel did a very
"off" Jack Benny voice in a later cartoon, dang, can't remember it
now, but Jack was trying to get an Oscar with one of those coin-operated claw
machines--"Daffy Duck in Hollywood," maybe.
[Mike Amo] He was still there in the 60s...I saw J. Fred but was
too young to remember him
[yhtapmys] Seems to me they brought him back when Downs was on.
remembers J. Fred.
[Laura Leff] I'm not saying that the voice isn't supposed to
sound like Jack. It just doesn't sound like Jack *to me*.
[Laura Leff] Brad - That's it.
[Maxwell] Olson was with Gleason when he came back with his
variety show in the '60s.
[Brad from Georgia] I sorta/kinda remember Jack
Lescoulie pitching some whipped topping, taking a big bite (live TV) and
spitting it out--'cause it was shaving cream. The real stuff melted under the
[Laura Leff] It apparently sounds like Jack to the rest of the
world, so I'm just strange.
[Frank J. Lhota] Don't forget Cave Darroway (I
don't think Mr. Carroway voiced that one).
[Brad from Georgia] Might have Lescoulie confused
with someone else.
[Mike Amo] lol! Dreer Pooson
[Laura Leff] Hoobert Heever
[yhtapmys] No, Laura, it's a really lame impression, but that's
who it's supposed to be.
[Laura Leff] Yht - OK, that I'll buy.
[Laura Leff] Not the last bad Benny impersonator.
[Maxwell] There have been far too many of those.
[Brad from Georgia] I don't think the impression
is on the money, but even worse is the writing--there's nothing Benny-esque
about the caveman's lines except grumpiness.
[yhtapmys] I think Lescoulie used the same voice in Malibu Beach
[KayLhota] Maxwell, my email to you bounced, so would you email
me at KayLhota@aol.com"
[Brad from Georgia] Yht--Very close.
[Maxwell] Did you use an underscore between hvickery and 80?
[Laura Leff] Brad - Right, that too.
[yhtapmys] Brad, that's how I put it together.
[KayLhota] I did not use an underscore because I didn't see one
[KayLhota] I made a space
[Laura Leff] It gets lost in the hyperlink underline
[Maxwell] That's why it bounced.
[steve -shimp-] I got lost in a hyperlink underline once. Oh,
wait, that was a star trek episode.
[Maxwell] No spaces are allowed in email addresses.
[Brad from Georgia] Oh, dear...got to go. Early
day tomorrow and late night, because I'll be in rehearsal. Good night, all!
[Frank J. Lhota] I wouldn't use an underscore
unless it was composed by Max Steiner.
[Maxwell] So long Brad.
[Laura Leff] Good luck with the performance, Brad!
[steve -shimp-] Bye Brad
[Frank J. Lhota] Bye Brad
[Laura Leff] I wouldn't use an underscore unless it was really
[Mike Amo] Take care Brad
[Maxwell] Frank, I'm picky. I only go with Erich Wolfgang
[Maxwell] Thanks, Kay. It just came.
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Oh that's odd...I just saw a story on him
last night when I was making a fire in our fireplace (old newspaper).
[yhtapmys] Who is he?
[Maxwell] He wrote scores for Robin Hood, Sea Hawk, Captain
Blood, Kings Row, etc.
[yhtapmys] Staff composer?
[Laura Leff] The original ones, not the BBC remakes
Brad from Georgia has logged out.
[Maxwell] Operatic composer who left when the Nazi's came to
[Laura Leff] Credited with inventing the "Hollywood
[Maxwell] no apostrophe.
[Maxwell] And he left Europe, to be clear.
[yhtapmys] Well, they all seem to have had that symphonic sound
from the 30s.
[steve -shimp-] Steiner's pretty early too.
[Maxwell] I still love his opening title music from Kings Row.
[yhtapmys] So is Leo Forbstein.
[Maxwell] Steiner did the score for King Kong.
[Frank J. Lhota] They weren't supposed to have an
apostrophe, but the nazis invaded and took it anyways.
[steve -shimp-] Yeah, King Kong is what popped to mind.
[Laura Leff] Mental image of King Kong bursting out of your
[Maxwell] Then a bunch of WB stuff after he left RKO...and GWTW.
[steve -shimp-] But in my mind, giant gorillas are never too far
[yhtapmys] And then his son did Bullwinkle.
[Laura Leff] Have you gotten to "Where's Poppa" yet?
[KayLhota] oh man
[Laura Leff] you = Steve
[Maxwell] I highly recommend Where's Poppa?
[Maxwell] (Insert quotation marks)
[Laura Leff] (This is a reference to a Forum discussion under
"Other stuff we like")
[steve -shimp-] Oh, no, it's on the ever-growing list of things
[steve -shimp-] But it IS on the list...
[Laura Leff] My Netflix queue is about 275 discs long.
[Laura Leff] So I know how it is.
[Maxwell] One of these days I'm gonna start using Netflix.
[steve -shimp-] Wow. Remind me NOT to get Netflix!
[Laura Leff] Netflix. The best bargain on the net.
[Laura Leff] At least for us.
[Maxwell] Where's Poppa is worth it just for the opening title.
[Frank J. Lhota] Does your Netflix queue include
"The Horn Blows at Midnight"
[Laura Leff] So what else for tonight?
[steve -shimp-] So it is out on DVD?
[Laura Leff] Requests for next month's show?
[steve -shimp-] Oh, I have a request.
[Laura Leff] Frank - No, I've got that in the video library. And
I've seen it a bunch anyway.
[Laura Leff] Steve - Go for it
[steve -shimp-] I've been jonesing for the Colmans lately, can
we do the time Jack guested on HALLS OF IVY?
[steve -shimp-] It is a fun inversion of the usual Benny-Colmans
[Laura Leff] Sure, we can do that.
[Frank J. Lhota] Wow, that would be a rarity.
[yhtapmys] Why not?
[Mike Amo] YAY
[yhtapmys] I've never heard it.
[Maxwell] Sounds good!
[Laura Leff] I presume I've got it as an MP3
[KayLhota] Frank hasn't heard it yet
[Laura Leff] *checking*
[steve -shimp-] If not, I have one, but it is only 16KBS. Can
e-mail it to you.
[KayLhota] if you don't have it Laura, I do
[yhtapmys] I feel left out.
[Frank J. Lhota] My wife is a big "Halls of
[Laura Leff] What's the date?
[KayLhota] I'm a big fan-- period
[Maxwell] I remember seeing it on TV when I was a kid.
[Laura Leff] Yht - You won't be within 30 minutes of this
[Maxwell] I think it only lasted one year on TV.
[Laura Leff] My appearance MP3s are all in order by date.
[Maxwell] I'm just a fan of Ronald Colman.
[steve -shimp-] Looking for the date...
[KayLhota] hang on
[Frank J. Lhota] another great Benny rarity: his
appearance on Suspence (and not as the Fiddler).
[KayLhota] Yip's got it
[Laura Leff] Nope, don't have it in MP3
[Frank J. Lhota] Suspense
[Laura Leff] Frank - Which one?
[Laura Leff] Kay - Sounds like you've got it though...can you
[Frank J. Lhota] "Murder in G Flat" and
[KayLhota] hang on, Laura
[Laura Leff] Frank - Not "The Face is Familiar"?
[Laura Leff] I'm sure we discussed Plan X one of these chats...
[Frank J. Lhota] Another good one!
[steve -shimp-] I've got one too, it'll just take me a minute to
find it. But like I say, it's only encoded at 16kb, but very listenable.
[Laura Leff] When you've been doing them for 8 years or so, it's
easy to forget!
[Maxwell] We should do at least one of the Suspense episodes as
a summer replacement show.
[Laura Leff] OK, sold.
[Mike Amo] YAY (I'm easy to please) :-)
[Frank J. Lhota] Gee, I never realized how often
Benny did "Suspense".
[Laura Leff] I think there was another, but the name isn't
coming to mind at the moment.
[Laura Leff] Servant of the People, or something like that.
[yhtapmys] Oh, I see Archive.org
has the Benny show on Ivy.
[Laura Leff] OK, I can pull it from archive.org.
[KayLhota] yes, Archive.org is
[Laura Leff] Thanks!
[Maxwell] I love Archive.org
[yhtapmys] And running fast.
[Laura Leff] Kay - Is yours more complete?
[KayLhota] it's an AFRS copy
[Laura Leff] Steve - Is yours AFRS?
[steve -shimp-] Yep, mine's the same one as archive.org
[steve -shimp-] 23:41
Maxwell has logged out.
Maxwell has entered this room.
[Laura Leff] OK, then I'll just stick with that one.
[Frank J. Lhota] Benny should have done more
radio guest appearances. Benny: "Rochester, I'm going to give you a
raise" Announcer: "DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT!"
[KayLhota] I've emailed it to Laura-- now if she gets it, great
if not, you can get it at Archive.org
[Laura Leff] Sounds good. Thanks!
[steve -shimp-] Jack did a LOT of guest appearances!
[yhtapmys] Jack: "Mr. Anthony, I have a problem."
[Laura Leff] Anything else for tonight, or are we good for this
[yhtapmys] Frank, I saw a post of yours on-line a few weeks ago.
[Maxwell] The only thing I have to add is "Gunhild
Carling" because it's a tradition.
[Laura Leff] I have a gentleman in the balcony! Is his name
[Mike Amo] Take care y'all...glad to catch up on here a little.
Hopefully, outside events will slow down some, so I can get here regularly again
[Frank J. Lhota] Yup, I'm going to wrap it up for
[KayLhota] I'll be mailing you my "Sunday Night's at
Seven" recordings, Laura
[Laura Leff] Kay - Thanks very much! Happy to add those to the
[KayLhota] Thank you
[Maxwell] NOTE to LL: There's a lot of new Carling stuff up on
[Mike Amo] Letting my sister take over her computer
[steve -shimp-] Think we're good.
[Laura Leff] OK, take care, folks! Talk with you next month!
[steve -shimp-] Bye all
[KayLhota] bye all
[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Aha...thanks!
[Maxwell] So long everybody!
[Mike Amo] Thanks LL
[Laura Leff] I'll check that out in my copious spare time...
[Maxwell] Yeah, I know you have so much of it...kind of like me.
steve -shimp- has logged out.
[Maxwell] So long again!