IJBFC Chat - December 7, 2008

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[KayLhota] Hi Laura

[yhtapmys] Hello Laura

[steve -shimp-] Hi LL

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, LL!

[Laura Leff] Hi folks!

[Maxwell] Cool it! The boss is here!

[Maxwell] Hey Laura!~

[ed] hey it's the boss

[steve -shimp-] We're already halfway into riffing on Jell-O recipes and constipation.

[ed] hi laura

[Maxwell] Jell-o recipes FOR constipation.

[Laura Leff] Sorry, I was trying to see last-minute if any of the books had any info on the 1956 show

[steve -shimp-] Any luck?

[Laura Leff] Ex-Lax flavored Jell-O...oh right, that's pudding.

[KayLhota] Hey, I was wondering about the odd running time. Unless it got cut down for the AFRS.

[Laura Leff] Nope. Just searching fast, but no one seems to mention it.

[Brad from Georgia] It was a nice tip o' the hat to the past...lots of recycled bits and gags, but in a nice way.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, the "old goat" thing with Don is from the Captain Horatio Hornblower show.

[Brad from Georgia] Funny to have Mel Blanc doing his patented "going nuts for Christmas" bit without selling Jack a bizarre present for Don.

[steve -shimp-] Kay, I found Radiogoldindex had two copies, one running 55 minutes and one running 46 - this AFRS version is 41, so way cut down.

[Laura Leff] Elliott Lewis as the mooley guy

[KayLhota] all very interesting

[Laura Leff] Now if I could just find something to tempt Dave into sharing the 55-minute version...  

[Laura Leff] So what did everyone think of it?

[Brad from Georgia] I know I heard the perfume bit before...and a modified version of Rochester's shopping (though Mary' shopping for Jack was closer to the Rochester original).

[steve -shimp-] Didn't we already figure out on the forum that this radio show was broadcast in color, and featured Barack Obama or something?

[KayLhota] very nostalgic

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yeah, that's right. He understudied for Eddie Anderson when he had a heart attack.

[Brad from Georgia] I wish Jack had done a radio special every year!

[Maxwell] A nice look back at Christmas shows past.

[Maxwell] Plus some nice singing by Frances Bergen.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, Frances was very good. Unless that was Edgar, standing behind her.

[steve -shimp-] I noticed Herb Vigran was in the cast - he was in a lot of Benny shows, radio and TV and we don't talk about him much.

[Laura Leff] "Toyland" with Dennis sounds a little below his normal register

[Laura Leff] Steve - That's a very good point.

[ed] he was in a lot of dragnets

[Laura Leff] (Steve - BTW...love your caption)

[KayLhota] No and Herb Vigran was around forever

[steve -shimp-] LL - I thought the audio seemed to slow about halfway thru

[Brad from Georgia] Maybe it was the transfer, but I put the show on a CD and listened in the car, and Dennis's song noticeably dragged a bit.

[Laura Leff] The inevitable Herb Vigran

[Maxwell] I think he was in Dragnet about every other week, ed...or at least it seemed like it.

[steve -shimp-] Caption .... for the photo contest?

[ed] right

[Brad from Georgia] Just the facts, Vigran.

[yhtapmys] Yeah, he seemed to do comedy and drama .. like Joe Kearns did.

[Laura Leff] I don't know why I think this, but it sounds like Dennis' song was recorded separately.

[KayLhota] yes, he is almost as inevitable as...

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yah

[Brad from Georgia] I did laugh out loud at the line regarding Dennis's head sticking out of the shopping bag.

[KayLhota] Laura, I got the feeling that the show was taped at various times

[Maxwell] Brad Ditto

[yhtapmys] Laura, was the show done live? It sounds recorded.

[Brad from Georgia] Funny, Kay, I thought that too!

[KayLhota] the audience laughter even sounded sweetened

[Laura Leff] Kay - Very much agreed.

[yhtapmys] Kay, you beat me to it.

[Laura Leff] Also the timing was just slightly different.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, the laughter made me turn down the volume two or three different times.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Pretty much all the shows were prerecorded by that time.

[yhtapmys] I mean with no audience.

[Brad from Georgia] I missed Frank Nelson.

[Laura Leff] Jack sounds like he's stepping on the laugh a couple times, which he absolutely never did. He was a stickler about that.

[KayLhota] oh gosh, that's right! He wasn't in it!

[Laura Leff] Yht - I don't think they'd go fully canned on this. I agree with Kay that it sounds punched up.

[Maxwell] I was expecting him to be the floor walker and was pretty surprised when he wasn't.

[Brad from Georgia] Laura--might Jack's mistiming be an artifact of the editing/shortening?

[Maxwell] wasn't there

[yhtapmys] OK. It's just because the timing doesn't sound right.

[Laura Leff] There's always the possibility that Mary's bits might have been done sans audience, though. She's definitely not edited in.

[yhtapmys] You get used to the rhythm of the jokes and this sounds hurried.

[KayLhota] Brad, that could be. I hadn't thought of that

[Laura Leff] Brad - Hm...possible. Good thought. Since I haven't looked at the script on this one, I don't know what's been cut where.

[yhtapmys] No, Brad, because he's walking on laughs.

[yhtapmys] It's not like dead air was edited.

[Laura Leff] But you've also got to consider how they edited the AFRS shows

[yhtapmys] That's why I thougtht there was no studio and the audience was added.

[steve -shimp-] You know, even though this is cut down, it still seems l-o-n-g to me. Maybe I'm just used to the shorter format.

[Laura Leff] The guy who did it told me about it...they'd determine what to cut, and then had two copies of the show. When they got to something to cut, they'd throw it to the other turntable which was cued

[Brad from Georgia] The rhythm is definitely different.

[Laura Leff] to pick up after the thing to be cut.

[Maxwell] Steve, that's funny because I didn't even notice it was long until somebody mentioned it in the forum.

[steve -shimp-] one too many songs.

[Laura Leff] The music alone is probably 3 * 3 = 9 minutes.

[yhtapmys] Did Dennis make an entrance or was that edited?

[Laura Leff] Yht - I'd have to go back and hear it again.

[yhtapmys] It just seems like Jack's talking to Don then Dennis is suddenly there.

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis's appearance was funny, as was the explanation: "I only know how to get to the studio from the airport."

[yhtapmys] Damned editing.

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[Brad from Georgia] The Don subplot of "I quit!" never really is resolved.

[KayLhota] Yay Frank! You finally made it.

[ed] hi frank

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Frank!

[Maxwell] Welcome Back Frank

[Frank J. Lhota] Jello again

[yhtapmys] Oh, wait. There's Dennis' entrance.

[steve -shimp-] Hi Frank.

[Laura Leff] Just relistened. Dennis's entrance is the usual butting into a conversation.

[Maxwell] I've been here since 5:30.

[Frank J. Lhota] I've been here since 5:30

[yhtapmys] My player skips stuff.

[Laura Leff] I don't think it's edited.

[steve -shimp-] Brad, I hate to spoil it for you, but Donsie sticks around with Jack for another 10 years or so.

[Laura Leff] Hi Frank!

Maxwell is willing to venture a guess that Don was back on Jack's next TV show.

[Brad from Georgia] Yup, but in the show he quits, and they never resolve that....you jes' pullin' my leg, now.

[yhtapmys] Laura, do you know if this radio special was a contractual thing with NBC?

[Laura Leff] In the original show where they did it, everyone goes on about how much they do for Jack

[Laura Leff] Yht - NBC? Should be CBS.

[yhtapmys] Pardon.

[Laura Leff] I couldn't turn up hard information in the bios, but there's something in the back of my mind that says

[Laura Leff] They did it as sort of an "encore" for the radio show, since the last show has no official "last show" theme.

[Laura Leff] And maybe they'd do another special, so no sense in calling this the "Last Farewell Radio Speecial"

[steve -shimp-] It's interesting it had a separate timeslot though. It didn't run with the reruns.

[Brad from Georgia] Sort of like Garrison Keillor's "Final Farewell Prairie Home Companion Show"....all six of them.....

[yhtapmys] Yeah, Steve, that's why I ask.

[KayLhota] sure, they couldn't have known that radio would die completely.

[Laura Leff] But then didn't. Jack was starting to get into his concert performances then.

[Laura Leff] Although it was pretty clear that TV was taking over. Soap operas were starting to get placed in the top 10.

[yhtapmys] No, Laura, the radio listings for that evening show a seperate half-hour show later in the evening.

[Frank J. Lhota] Part of the fun in the CBS show is Don's shilling for Jello and Grape Nuts. For the armed services version of the show, couldn't they have Don hawking re-enlistment?

[KayLhota] Wow, Frank! What an idea!

[Laura Leff] Frank - Sometimes they had one of the phone operators plugging USAFI

[yhtapmys] Don could have worn a pup tent.

[ed] no ads at all on AFRS

[Brad from Georgia] Great idea, Frank! "Fellas, re-enlistment comes in six delicious flavors--private, corporal, sergeant, lieutentant, captain, and AWOL."

[KayLhota] Laura, that's wonderful!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Good one, Brad!

[KayLhota] brilliant Brad

[Laura Leff] I also remember ads for V-Mail

[yhtapmys] So look for it at your Recruitment Office's shelves. Section 8.

[ed] funny

[Brad from Georgia]  

[Laura Leff] When I was a kid, I used to think the song "Toyland" was something sinister. Sort of like Gitmo.

[yhtapmys] Brad's channel Milt Josefsberg tonight.

[Laura Leff] Once you pass its borders, you can never return again.

[yhtapmys] channelling

[ed] no klingler though

[Maxwell] Gitmo

[Maxwell] Gitmow

[Laura Leff] Seriously.

[Laura Leff] Anyhow...

[Laura Leff] Rochester doesn't have a lot in this show...

[steve -shimp-] I've been listening to Our Miss Brooks and just realized they use the same music for "Dream Girl, Dream Girl, Beautiful Lustre Creme Girl"!

[Brad from Georgia] Gitmo, Gitmo, last stopping place for bozos, where they're piled in cages and are never seen again....

[Laura Leff] I thought he might be on the phone.

[ed] some of the episodes of nero wolfe and my son jeep used the same canned music

[Brad from Georgia] The pacing on Roch's lines seems draggy, too.

[Laura Leff] I just had this mental image of children being lured in with toys and then caught in cages, sort of like the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

[yhtapmys] Brad, you know how it is. You're entirely different in a studio than with a live audience.

[ed] or willy wonka

[Brad from Georgia] You do know the Toymaker in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was Benny Hill.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, I'll have to relisten to this show some time with the thought about it being done sans audience.

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's right. And he took his first name from Jack.

[Laura Leff] So what else about the show for tonight?

[Brad from Georgia] I interviewed Eddie Carroll about his work as Jiminy Cricket for a colleague's Animation History class, and he talked about how hard it is to lay down a voice track when

[Brad from Georgia] he's in the studio all by himself and is reacting to others.

[yhtapmys] Geez, Brad, I've been in radio 33 years. I could tell you the same thing.

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[Laura Leff] You can see that difference in Jack's live shows vs. the later taped ones sans audience.

[Maxwell] Oops. There went Frank

[ed] bye frank

[KayLhota] his computer froze

[yhtapmys] Again?

[Laura Leff] It must be cold there

[yhtapmys] <rimshot>


[Brad from Georgia] This is true--after I listened to the show the first time, I had a vivid dream in which the show included a segment featuring Jimmy Stewart in which the gang did a skit based on "It's a Wonderful Life."

[KayLhota] actually, it did snow today

[Brad from Georgia] I had to listen to it again to make sure the bit WASN'T in the show!

[yhtapmys] Snow? We don't get that here in Canada.

[Laura Leff] Brad - You sure you weren't listening to the show where they do their own version of IAWL?

[Brad from Georgia] We had snow in Georgia Thanksgiving week. Didn't stick here, but it was snowing.

[yhtapmys] Hasn't snowed locally yet.

[KayLhota] it hasn't stuck here.

[Maxwell] We've got snow on the ground here.

[Laura Leff] The friends we were travelling with had to fly back through Atlanta...we were wondering if they'd make it for the weather.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Nope. I very vividly dreamed that Jack was setting the show up and Jimmy Stewart insisted on playing the Lionel Barrymore part! Jack wound up doing Jimmy's part.

[Laura Leff] No snow here in San Francisco.

[ed] it's 24 degrees here in springfield illinois

[Laura Leff] Brad - Gee. Let me know how to tune in on your dreams some time.

[KayLhota] Brad, I am impressed with you dreraming style!

[yhtapmys] Did he dream of turkeys on Thanksgiving?

[Laura Leff] Or that he was one?

[yhtapmys] "And Brad as Tallulah Turkey!"

[Maxwell] A balmy 19 here in Joliet.

[Brad from Georgia] It was so real: Jack--"Now, Jimmy will play the part he did in the movie--" Stewart: "No, no, no--Look, Jack, I'm tired of being the good guy. I wanna be the bad guy for a change."

[ed] no snow here

[Laura Leff] Geez, I can hear it.

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[KayLhota] Oh yeah, it gets cold around Chicago.

[KayLhota] Hi Frank.

[yhtapmys] Lord, it's warmer here.

[ed] hey frank's back

[Maxwell] Hey frank's front!

[yhtapmys] Probably about 45f

[steve -shimp-] Brad, maybe your dental fillings are picking up parallel-universe radio broadcasts from beyond the grave.

[ed] like gilligan

[Frank J. Lhota] Now where were we? Oh yes, the Easter show.

[Laura Leff] And in San Francisco, it's 46 degrees...

[KayLhota] Funny Frank

[Maxwell] I want to hear Jimmy Stewart imitating Lionel Barrymore.

[Laura Leff] No, his name is Jimmy

[ed] jimmy stewart does a lousy bette davis on a dean martin DVD

[Laura Leff] Funny to hear Schlepperman and Kitzel back to back

[Brad from Georgia] Really odd. Jack said, "But Jimmy, I'm going to be Harry Potter." And Stewart said, "If I can't be Potter, I'm gonna go home."

[Frank J. Lhota] Maybe Don could push K-Rations ... Nah, not even Don could get enthusiastic about them.

[Maxwell] Harry Potter?????

[yhtapmys] K for Kennel?  

[Laura Leff] Don: "Try K-rations...even I can lose weight on them!"

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, Lionel Barrymore played Harry Potter.

[steve -shimp-]  

[Laura Leff] The magician kid? Strange casting.

[yhtapmys] In a magic wheelchair.

[Brad from Georgia] This is years after Hogwarts, remember, after he gained weight and became embittered.

[Laura Leff] Who knew?

[Laura Leff] Harry Potter's back, and this time it's personal

[Brad from Georgia] No, the character is actually "Harry F. Potter" (I think the initial is right) in "It's a Wonderful Life."

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[Laura Leff] Hello Clipper!

[yhtapmys] Hi Clip

[ed] hi clipper

[KayLhota] Hello Clipper


[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Clipper

[steve -shimp-] Hi Clipper

[CLIPPER965] I found the 1975 The Jack Benny Story in MP3

[Maxwell] HENRY F. Potter.

[Maxwell] We don't know if his friends called him Harry.

[Laura Leff] Clipper - You mean one of the network tributes?

[Laura Leff] Or the LP set?

[KayLhota] Do mean the record album set?

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, but his friends called him Harry!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That sounds more correct.

[CLIPPER965] Old Time Radio Archive made on right before he died

[Brad from Georgia] Trouble is, he didn'thave any friends....

[Frank J. Lhota] Henry F. Potter came from Slitheryn.

[Laura Leff] I didn't know he had any friends.

[Brad from Georgia] LL, you stepped on my poor little punch line.

[Laura Leff] Brad - No you just stole mine.

[yhtapmys] I noticed Bob Crosby sang in this show. He didn't really sing a full song often did he?

[Laura Leff] Clipper - Is it in our audio library? Not sure I know of it.

[KayLhota] Clipper, if it is the record album set, it has some great stuff.

[Brad from Georgia] Bob also sang a song that Bing had recently performed. I wonder how often he did that?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Sometimes he did. He was doing it on the TV show relatively frequently.

[CLIPPER965] It was made a few months before he died

[CLIPPER965] Let me look at the archive

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[steve -shimp-] Clip and Run!

[Laura Leff] Would have been cool to have Bob and Bing sing "Play a Simple Melody"

[KayLhota] clip will come back

[yhtapmys] Brad, I'd think he'd try to avoid that.

[Laura Leff] Well, it wasn't a full show. Just a clip.

[ed] we've been clipped

[yhtapmys] Yike!

[KayLhota] oh, wouldn't that have been excellent. Their voices would have blended so well

[Laura Leff] Maybe he's going for a coupon

[steve -shimp-]  

[Maxwell] If you listen to some of the early vocals Bob did with the Dorsey Brothers Orchestra, it's hard to tell him from Bing.

[Laura Leff] Maybe a little too well...you might not have been able to tell one from the other

[yhtapmys] Kay, you mean like the Jonas Brothers?  

[Laura Leff] Oh, here's something I thought was very cool...

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, that was a line from my dreamed skit--about the only other one I remembered: Jack--Mr. Potter, I need to borrow some money. Stewart: How much, Bailey?

[KayLhota] but the counterpoint would have been nice

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[Brad from Georgia] Jack--Ten thousand. Stewart: Yipes! Jack--It's not the same, is it folks?

[Clipper965] 00/00/00 The Jack Benny Story 120 X

[KayLhota] Hi again Clipper

[Laura Leff] I was in the airport in Santiago, Chile and heard some store start to play a Bing Crosby and Al Jolson duet.

[Clipper965] The program was made in Spokane Washington

[Brad from Georgia] LL-"Alexander's Ragtime Band?"

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, that's it.

[Clipper965] YouTube has the What's My Line EP made the day after Fred Allen died

[KayLhota] Clipper, does it contain material such as "The Snows of Kilamanaro?"

[steve -shimp-] Come on along, boo-boo-boo-booo, nyaaaah!

[Laura Leff] Clipper - Ah, that's probably the record set. They took sources from a lot of different items.

[Brad from Georgia] There's a college radio station in my town that LOVES that song! I've heard it half a dozen times in the last two months.

[Laura Leff] Jack's interview was done in 1972 for a TV special called "The Great Radio Comedians".

[ed] hey clipper as that record on spokane records

[steve -shimp-] That was my Bing/Jolie impersonation.

[ed] was*

[yhtapmys] Steve, I thought it was Mel Blanc.

[KayLhota] Yes, the record has some material that was used in the documentary, and some were not.

[steve -shimp-] Nah, Mel goes "eh-eh-eh-eh-eh", like the world's tiniest organ.

[Brad from Georgia] I used to do an impression of Jolson singing "California, Here I Come" back in college. Even then they didn't know who he was.

[Maxwell] Steve, I thought you ate green onions.

[Laura Leff] Starts with Jack saying (IIRC) "I don't think anyone...a comedian or an actor...says to himself, 'I think I'll develop a style'"

[Clipper965] It was advertised as being available for Cassette tapes made by OLD TIME RADIO ARCHIVE

[Brad from Georgia] Guess he was too young to have made it big.

[yhtapmys] No, Steve, that's Woody Woodpecker.

[Clipper965] Fred Allen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHvYzKFV1vg

[ed] oh ok thanx

[KayLhota] Well, I am glad that you enjoyed it so much, Clipper.

[Brad from Georgia] Green Onions...wasn't that Herb Alpert?

[Laura Leff] Yes, it's a very fine set.

[Maxwell] Brad Booker t. and the MGs

[Maxwell] T.

[Laura Leff] Brad - No that was Whipped Cream

[yhtapmys] What a bunch of Lonely Bull!

[Laura Leff] Catch a Tijuana Taxi out of here

[Brad from Georgia] Spanish Flea to the hills!

[Laura Leff] We've kind of talked about this before, but to bring it back to Jack

[Frank J. Lhota] "Whipped Cream and other delights" - one of the most unabashedly cheesecake album covers.

[Laura Leff] Which musical performer do you most wish had appeared on Jack's show but didn't?

[Maxwell] LL You always have to bring it back to Jack!   

[Laura Leff] Frank - Indeed.

[steve -shimp-] Sun Ra

[Brad from Georgia] Sallie Rand, LL.

[steve -shimp-] I dunno

[ed] my boss at work gave me yesterday a CD of OTR Christmas excerpts w/burns and allen

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Well, we've got someone who's not one of the usuals!   

[KayLhota] Laura, that's a good question.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Go on...burst my bubble.

[Maxwell] Kenny Baker

[ed] and some xmas music from phillip morris

[yhtapmys] Gale Gordon.

[Laura Leff] I don't think of Sally Rand as a musical performer.

[steve -shimp-] Yoko Ono

[Laura Leff] Steve - That would be interesting.

[KayLhota] And, he typically had male vocalists.

[Brad from Georgia] I don't think of her at all, but when I do, she makes my heart sing.

[Laura Leff] I was listening to Lennon's Shaved Fish album last night as I was doing IJBFC accounting work.

[yhtapmys] You know, Laura, all I can think of is bands and they wouldn't have fit his format.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Maybe, maybe not. Would have worked on the specials.

[steve -shimp-] Slim Gaillard

[Maxwell] Steve ONly with Slam Stewart

[Laura Leff] Zamfir, master of the pan flute

[steve -shimp-] Screamin' Jay Hawkins

[yhtapmys] He'd need singers who could do bits.

[Laura Leff] How about Jack and Jimi Hendrix?

[Maxwell] LL Now THAT'S a scary thought!

[Laura Leff] I can see everyone's taking a moment to ponder that.

[steve -shimp-] A violin/guitar duet~!

[Laura Leff] There's got to be SOME kind of joke in there

[ed] NBC with a new reality show Momma's Boys 32 girls and 3 guys

[Frank J. Lhota] I've always thought that "It's Gary Shandling's Show" was inspired by Jack Benny, and bands like that appeared on Shandling's show.

[yhtapmys] How would you fit Elvis onto a Benny radio show?

[ed] oh how i am glad for radio

[Laura Leff] Oh, I can imagine that working really well.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack and Dylan Thomas: "Hey, Mr. Violin Man, play a song for meeee...."

[Maxwell] I'd rather see Bob Dylan.

[Laura Leff] Dylan Thomas? Do not go gently into that good night?

[Brad from Georgia] yht--Use a blue suede shoe horn, of course.

[yhtapmys] <rim shot>

[Maxwell] Dylan Thomas, love child of Bob Dylan and Danny Thomas.

[Brad from Georgia] Brain slip. Been gradin' term papers fer a week.

[ed] ouch

[Frank J. Lhota] How about Jack Benny and Weird Al?

[yhtapmys] Or Johnny Ray.

[Brad from Georgia] I can see Weird Al blending right in.

[Clipper965] Jack on Johnny Carson 1974 with Mel Blanc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beMIl_jzRN0

[Maxwell] I loved JOhnny Ray's appearance on Jack's TV show.

[Laura Leff] Having heard Dylan Thomas' dramatic reading of his own work, it does conjure a pretty surreal mental image

[Laura Leff] Yht - He was on Jack's show.

[yhtapmys] Max, I think he'd work better on TV than radio.

[Frank J. Lhota] Groucho Marx and Alice Cooper were good friends...

[KayLhota] Clipper, I can remember my older sister telling me about Jack Benny and Mel Blanc the night after that broadcast

[Laura Leff] Clipper - Ah, I think that may have been Jack's last appearance on the Carson show!

[Maxwell] Frank Zappa

[Brad from Georgia] LL--have you heard the recording of Dylan Thomas on the occasion of his making a dramatic gesture and knocking a glass pitcher of water over on his audience?

[KayLhota] I never thought I'd get the chance to see it

[Laura Leff] Dweezil Benny

[Maxwell] Moon Unit Livingstone

[Laura Leff] Brad - No! That must be something...seriously?

[KayLhota] No, Jack Benny was on Carson one more time, Laura.

[Clipper965] It was. Carson was crushed by his death

[KayLhota] During the summer of 1974, with George Raft

[Frank J. Lhota] Double Feature "200 Motels" and "The Horn Blows at Midnight"

[Laura Leff] Kay - OK, good job. I knew it was late, but couldn't remember exactly.

[Brad from Georgia] Seriously. Don't remember the poem, but it was something like "Do not go gentle into that good--CRASH! Oh damn! Oh, I'm sorry! Damn that pitcher!"

[Clipper965] He hero worshipped Jack

[ed] carson loved jack

[KayLhota] I did see that program, and so I remember it.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Gosh...if you ever find it on line, send it to me!

[yhtapmys] Laura, it strikes me that singing guests would work on TV because with that format, he didn't have to work them into the plot.

[KayLhota] George Raft wouldn't look at the monitor when they showed a clip from his famous dance

[yhtapmys] Like he would with radio.

[steve -shimp-] Yht, he still usually did though.

[KayLhota] from BOLERO with Carole Lombard

[Brad from Georgia] It's on a Caedmon recording--we may have it in our library. I'll see.

[steve -shimp-] It was never a straight variety format.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Well, you have to do it as what I call the "in one" shows where they're in a skit in the second half.

[KayLhota] he said that he never saw his own movies.

[Clipper965] I have a Christmas Jack Benny desktop wallpaper

[ed] neither does woody allen

[Laura Leff] Jim Jordan was the same way.

[yhtapmys] Yeah, that's what I mean, Laura.


[KayLhota] Jack Benny talked about the upcoming shoot of "The Sunshine Boys" in January.

[Laura Leff] Clipper - What is it?

[yhtapmys] The TV show seemed to be more amenable just to do a straight singing spot.

[Clipper965] How can I attach

[Laura Leff] Woody Allen guesting on Jack's show. Hmmm

[Clipper965] ?

[KayLhota] I remember thinking that they should hurry up, because it was so many months away

[Laura Leff] Jack would never have looked more goyishe

[Laura Leff] Clipper - I don't think you can here...just describe it.

[steve -shimp-] We still really should do Carson's thesis for chat one month.

[steve -shimp-] Keep forgetting to re-suggest that.

[Clipper965] The big Luck Strike Family wishing you a merry XMAS with Jack & the whole crew and Rochester driving the Maxwell--Lucky Strike AD

[Laura Leff] The Carson tribute to radio, or his actual thesis?

[Laura Leff] I don't know if I have it.

[Laura Leff] Clipper - Oh right...

[steve -shimp-] His college thesis, it is a wire recording. University of Nebraska has the mp3 online.

[KayLhota] cool, I didn't know that.

[steve -shimp-] I can find the link and send it to you, problem is it is a huge file.

[steve -shimp-] It's in a post on the forum somewhere too.

[steve -shimp-] He uses tons of Benny show clips to illustrate his ideas about comedy structure

[Frank J. Lhota] Is there a Jack Benny Wiki?

[Laura Leff] http://www.jackbenny.org/Pix/Magazines/LuckyStrikeXmas1950.htm

[Laura Leff] Steve - Cool...I'll have to check it out.

[Laura Leff] Frank - Yes.

[Laura Leff] Clipper - The link I sent...is that it?

[Maxwell] Wiki waki woki wiki woo

[steve -shimp-] Here's the carson link: http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/theaterstudent/1/

[Brad from Georgia] Max, down in Nagasaki the men all chew tobaccy and the women wiki waki woo.....

[Laura Leff] OK, I'll make a point to grab it later.

[Laura Leff] Are there any singers who have also been actors in the last, say, 30 years?

[Clipper965] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uf39cQVe9w

[Brad from Georgia] It's probably just asking for trouble, but I tried to see if we could get "Angels with Angles" from Netfix. They don't have it.

[Laura Leff] Just still pondering the question of who could have been a guest on Jack's show.

[Maxwell] Harry Conick Jr.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Not surprising.

[yhtapmys] David Hasselhoff.

[Brad from Georgia] Conick would have fit in.

[Laura Leff] David Haselhoff sings?

[Laura Leff] I thought he just drove a car and swam.

[Brad from Georgia] I can imagine Jack introducing the Simpsons family and reacting as they sing a number from one of their albums....

[Maxwell] And talked to his car.

[ed] with pamela no less

[yhtapmys] And drinks.

[Laura Leff] O.J. Simpson?

[Clipper965] Nite All

[Maxwell] He didn't sing. That's his problem.

[Laura Leff] Night Clipper!

[KayLhota] goodnight clipper

[Maxwell] Good night Clipper

[Brad from Georgia] Waldo? They could spend the whole program looking for the guest star.

[KayLhota] come back soon

[ed] bye clip

[steve -shimp-] Bye clipper, stop again!

[Brad from Georgia] Night, Clipper!

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[Frank J. Lhota] For the next nine years, O.J. will be in the can.

[steve -shimp-]   Brad

[Laura Leff] Five Character in Search of a Guest Start

[Laura Leff] Star

[ed] by himself

[Maxwell] I prefer to be by myself when I'm in the can.

[Brad from Georgia] k.d. laing.

[ed] ouch again

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh now THAT would have been interesting

[Laura Leff] And she has done some acting.

[Maxwell] Lainie Kazan

[Frank J. Lhota] No, I mean that O.J. will be on ice.

[steve -shimp-] Jack and David Bowie would have been interesting.

[Brad from Georgia] Garrison Keillor: "Mr. Benny, it's such a pleasure to be on your show...." Jack: Kid, kid--lookit, kid, don't rush your lines. Learn to speak more slowly.

[Laura Leff] Steve - You know, I could see that working, actually.

[Laura Leff] Jack Benny and KISS

[Maxwell] LL Now I'm going to have nightmares.

[ed] jack and the jonas bros.

[steve -shimp-] Gene Simmons licks Jack's violin with his tongue.

[ed] just kidding

[Laura Leff] Can't you just picture Jack surrounded by all these crazy glammed-out guys?

[Laura Leff] I can just see him standing there in pose looking from one to the other for a long time.

[Maxwell] LL That's why I'm going to have nightmares.

[Frank J. Lhota] Paul Lynn's comedy special with KISS just came out on DVD.

[Laura Leff] Paul Lynde?

[Laura Leff] OK, now *I'm* going to have nightmares.

[Laura Leff] Or Loretta Lynn

[steve -shimp-] It would have been funny if Jack booked KISS, they didn't show, and he had to convince Roch, Dennis, Don and Frank Nelson to get in the makeup and sub in.

[ed] GREAT!!!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh, I LIKE that idea!

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[Laura Leff] What a stitch

[Brad from Georgia] I can imagine Jack playing violin with the Rolling Stones: I can't get no--I can't get no--I can't get no---(insert Jack's Kreutzer exercise)---sat-is-FAC-tion!

[KayLhota] oops. Frank froze again

[Laura Leff] Frank's on ice with O.J.

[Maxwell] Kay Get him a space heater.

[ed] or ozzy osbourne

[Maxwell] Jack trying to understand Ozzy.

[KayLhota] You have Frank laughing as I've been repeating what you've said to him

[Laura Leff] Now, Alice Cooper is supposedly a big vaudeville fan and knew a lot of the legendary performers.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Kind of figured that might happen!

[Laura Leff] Jack Benny and Pink Floyd

[Brad from Georgia] OJ on ice....ya know, Minute Maid doesn't use the juice of just ONE kind of orange. Oh-ho, no, we blend the juice of SEVEN different kinds of oranges for that pure, natural flavor....buh-buh-buh-boo.....

[KayLhota] yeah, it sort of comes with being married to the guy

[Laura Leff] I don't know anything about Pink Floyd, so I'm only amused by the words.

[ed] jack with pink

[yhtapmys] Test

[Laura Leff] Yht - We hear you

[Laura Leff] Jack with RuPaul

[Brad from Georgia] Jack and the Sex Pistols.....

[KayLhota] scary!

[Brad from Georgia] Jack and the Dixie Chicks....

[Brad from Georgia] Jack and the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.....

[Brad from Georgia] Jack and Beausoleil

[Laura Leff] Jack performed with someone...I think I've got the spelling wrong...RuVaughn

[Laura Leff] Jack and Cirque du Soleil

[yhtapmys] I'm on another chat site and I've logged off.. but I can still hear the audio from it. Weird.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Maybe your fillings are like Brad's.

[Brad from Georgia] You hear music and there's no one there. It must be love.

[Brad from Georgia] My filling is creme.

[yhtapmys] I don't know why it doesn't kill the audio connection.

[Laura Leff] But when I saw RuVaughn (or however it's spelled), I immediately thought of RuPaul

[steve -shimp-] What is RuVaughn?

[Brad from Georgia] The Lady Chablis, from "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil....."

[Laura Leff] I'm sure I've got the spelling wrong...let me go look it up in my stage database...

[Maxwell] RuVaughn Monroe?

[steve -shimp-] Jack and Divine

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[Brad from Georgia] Jack and ANDY Divine....

[steve -shimp-] Divine and Andy Devine!

[Brad from Georgia] Geez, "Hairspray" could have been so different.

[ed] they tried the jack and andy show once

[Brad from Georgia] The film teacher at school and I are toying with an idea for an academic paper: "The Frijole Bean Motif in the Films of Andy Devine"

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[KayLhota] welcome back again my dear

[steve -shimp-] With reference to "Blazing Saddles"?

[ed] hey the mayor of north hollywood-beverly garland from my 3 sons died today

[Laura Leff] Rouvaun

[steve -shimp-] Yeah Ed, Beverly Garland was a class act. Sad to hear she's gone.

[Brad from Georgia] Nope, Andy Devine was in a slew of John Ford Westerns, and in every one of them he has a line about "frijole beans," which he pronounces like "free, holy beans."

[KayLhota] Beverly Graland was the Mayor of North Hollywood?

[ed] well sort of

[KayLhota] Currently, or at one time?

[Frank J. Lhota] That's what I get for trying to chat from Brigadoon.

[Laura Leff] Brad - How about "The Masked Mexican Wrestler Motif in the films of Andy Devine"

[KayLhota] Funny one, Frank

[ed] one time i guess

[Laura Leff] Rouvaun was a vocalist...man, I believe. Worked with Jack in Vegas in 1969

[steve -shimp-] Santo vs. Jack Benny

[Maxwell] Not a good week. Paul Benedict, Nina Foch, and Beverly Garland in the space of five days.

[ed] like jimmy what's his name who was the defacto mayor of hollywood

[Maxwell] Jimmy Fidler? (Fiddler?)

[ed] he died in january

[ed] or so

[Laura Leff] Lived at the Ambassador Hotel, IIRC

[Brad from Georgia] Max--the sci-fi field lost a biggie last week: Forrest J Ackerman (Forry or 4e to his friends).

[steve -shimp-] Just saw Beverly Garland the other day in THE ALLIGATOR PEOPLE. She's practically stomping on real gators while Lon Chaney chases her with a hook hand.

[ed] mostly for the tourist

[Laura Leff] Brad - Oh dang...I know that name...

[steve -shimp-] Yeah, Forry Ackerman too.

[Maxwell] And I just heard that Freddie Hubbard is on his deathbed.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Prime my memory, please

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Forry was a longtime SF fan and was the editor of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND.

[Maxwell] Anybody remember the syndicated Desilu series from the '50s where Beverly Garland played a police woman?

[steve -shimp-] Forry Ackerman coined the term "sci-fi"

[Brad from Georgia] He has been around forever. Yes, he coined "sci-fi" and created Vampirella for the comix.

[ed] and Irving Brecher died recently nov.17th he wrote and created the life of riley

[Laura Leff] OK, right. I knew I'd crossed his name many times.

[steve -shimp-] DECOY Max

[KayLhota] I am not familiar with that show, Maxwell

[Laura Leff] Ed - And two Marx Brothers movies.

[ed] it's in time this week

[ed] right

[ed] page 24

[Brad from Georgia] Forry used to be Ray Bradbury's agent. He also had a huge collection of sf memorabilia in his home, the Ackermansion, for many years. And he made excruciating puns.

[Maxwell] It was syndicated about the same time as Rescue 8 (with Jim Davis) and Whirlybirds (with Ken Tobey)

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[Laura Leff] Bradbury...another Waukegan connection.

[KayLhota] hi again Yip

[Maxwell] Welcome back yht!

[Brad from Georgia] I wonder if Bradbury and Jack ever crossed paths.

[Laura Leff] I recently got a call that Ray Bradbury wanted to hook up with the son of either Amos or Andy. So I passed along the message to someone who could help.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'm sure they must have at some point.

[Brad from Georgia] Ray told me once about meeting Laurel and Hardy when he was a teenager. "Both of them were very classy gentlemen."

[KayLhota] Was it Charles Correll's son?

[yhtapmys] Sorry, Max, my other chat room is freezing and I have to reboot.

[Laura Leff] Kay - I think so, but can't remember.

[ed] amos and andy that'll be the my subject for a collector's day in springfield next year 80

[Maxwell] That's what you get for cheating on us!

[steve -shimp-] Bradbury's amazing in all kinds of ways. I am glad he's still around.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sad that can't be said about a lot of performers today! c.f. Britney Spears

[ed] years since their network debut

[Laura Leff] Hey, there we go. Jack and Britney Spears

[ed] oh boy!!!

[Laura Leff] Jack and Christina Aguilera

[Brad from Georgia] Photo of her getting out of the Maxwell......

[Laura Leff]  

[steve -shimp-]  

[ed] no drawers yuck

[Maxwell] Brad Whoa!

[Laura Leff] So much for class

[Brad from Georgia] Ooooooohhhhhhhh, PANTIES!

[Laura Leff] ROFLMAO

[steve -shimp-] I am cryin' here.

[Laura Leff] Now I'm choking...

[Maxwell] I can do the Heimlich if you need it!

[Brad from Georgia] Guess that was my gem for the week. Pretty sad, really.

[Laura Leff] No, I think my water did the trick.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Kind of a limited audience sort of thing.

[Maxwell] LL does a spit take.

[ed] spit take 2

[Laura Leff] There's something about the line "Ohhhhh...BATHING SUIT!" that seems to be the primary line that Benny fans like to say to each other and everyone breaks up.

[Brad from Georgia] Somewhere, Dennis Day is groaning.

[Laura Leff] We just love saying just the punch line and everyone laughs knowing the whole joke. Number 23!

[KayLhota] right!

[Laura Leff] Dan and I spent a whole week in Argentina without ever falling back to the Si-Sy routine.

[ed] great routine

[Maxwell] That's because Sy is Mexican.

[Laura Leff] Of course, Mel Blanc played a Mexican in that routine.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, what he said.

Maxwell keeps stomping on LL's punchlines.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind tonight?

[yhtapmys] But Laura, you hate si-sy anyway, don't you.

[yhtapmys] ?

[Maxwell] Eddie Carroll!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - NP...Brad stole one of mine anyway

[ed] who was the kid in that skit, Laura?

[steve -shimp-] I'm still stunned by Britney in the Maxwell...

[Laura Leff] Yht - And that's why it was easy.   

[ed] he was great

[Laura Leff] Ed - The kid in what skit?

[Maxwell] Eddie is coming to the Portage Theater in Chicago on May 3.

Maxwell has ordered his tickets.

[ed] sy-sy skit

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Have you ever seen him before?

[Laura Leff] Ed - In Snows of Kilimanjaro?

[Maxwell] Only the excerpt on CNN.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Ah, you're in for a treat. You'll have to report back.

[Laura Leff] Ed - It was usually Jack and Mel alone.

[Maxwell] I may have to report back in June since it's on the first Sunday in May.

[steve -shimp-] With the exception of Mary, who works in the Jose department.

[ed] no where mel and jack are talking and a little kid is identified as mel's son

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OIC

[ed] in the sy-sy skit

[Maxwell] 3:00 p.m. CDT, so it'll be a bit difficult to get back here in time...like if we go out to eat or something.

[Laura Leff] Ed - OK, yes. Help me out folks...was that Snows of Kilimanjaro? What skit was that in?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Well, you can always report the following month.

[Maxwell] He's coming for Chuck Schaden's 39th anniversary of doing his OTR show.

[Laura Leff] Laura Leff thumbs 39 Forever Volume 2

[ed] could that have been noel blanc?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Oh that's right...duh!

[Laura Leff] Ed - Doubt it...I don't know that Noel ever appeared on the show.

[ed] oh

[Laura Leff] Well, 9/23/51 was Horatio Hornblower, so the original version of the Don's "old goat" routine

[Brad from Georgia] I'm on the phone now with Lamar Waldron, a writer whose book I recently edited. He says it's doing well.

[Maxwell] Chuck is also starting Jack Benny month a couple of weeks early because he's interrupting it for an Abraham Lincoln bicentennial salute followed by some Valentine's Day shows on Feb. 14.

[ed] I've met chuck super smart OTR fan and nice guy

[Maxwell] I've never met him, but I plug him here a lot.

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[ed] he's got a great radio voice

[ed] hi nora

[yhtapmys] Hello Nora

Maxwell even managed to get Ed Metz to contact him a couple of years ago, and Ed sent him a CD of his Bob Crosby's Bob Cats.

[NoraAmrani] hi everyone

[KayLhota] Hi Nora

[steve -shimp-] Hi Nora

[Laura Leff] Aha! It's Harry Shearer

[Maxwell] Hi Nora

[NoraAmrani] I know I popped in here late.

[Laura Leff] Welcome Nora!

[NoraAmrani] thanks, Laura

[Laura Leff] 10/18/53

[ed] thanx for that info laura

[Laura Leff] Wings of the Hawk

[KayLhota] We're still here, Nora and happy to speak to a new person.

[NoraAmrani] thank you

[ed] welcome to the chat nora

[NoraAmrani] well, I've been coming to this site for a few years now, but never joined in the chat

[Laura Leff] Welcome in...any Benny topics you'd like to discuss?

[NoraAmrani] I do have a question

[NoraAmrani] about Jack's daughter

[ed] go

[Laura Leff] Just be forewarned that we like to get off topic from time to time.   

[NoraAmrani] is she still alive?

[Laura Leff] Nora - Absolutely.

[Laura Leff] I just got a holiday card from her yesterday.

[NoraAmrani] Does she have any input into this site? Oh that's nice you got a card from her.

[Laura Leff] Nora - Input in what way? The family/Estate does officially endorse us.

[NoraAmrani] Does she manage the Benny materia.?

[NoraAmrani] material

[NoraAmrani] that's good

[Laura Leff] No...she tends to stay out of the business end. But I'm a representative of the Estate as well.

[Frank J. Lhota] She's a Benny material girl?

[NoraAmrani] oh I didn't know that.

[KayLhota] I didn't know that, Laura.


[ed] livin in a material world

[Laura Leff] The whole family pretty much has their own lives, so no one has a lot of time for Benny deals.

[Laura Leff] But they're all wonderful people.

[NoraAmrani] Oh no...

[NoraAmrani] I bought a dvd collection of the old shows and wonder if there will be any others coming out soon?

[KayLhota] I've met Jack Benny's Granddaughter, Joanna.

[NoraAmrani] I was at Jack's funeral.

[ed] WOW!!!

[Laura Leff] Dang, I'm IMPRESSED!

[NoraAmrani] by what? Being at the funeral?

[ed] yes

[NoraAmrani] it was some funeral

[Laura Leff] The Estate doesn't own the TV shows

[KayLhota] I was 17 when Jack Benny passed away, but on the other coast

[Laura Leff] Yes...that you were at the funeral.

[Frank J. Lhota] Aren't <b>all</b> Jack Benny TV episodes in the public domain?

[NoraAmrani] they thought I was part of the family and I was one of the only people allowed into where his crypt is.

[steve -shimp-] Frank - definitely not.

[Laura Leff] Frank - No...some of them are, but MCA (now NBC Universal) owns many of them.

[NoraAmrani] Who owns the tv shows? Some network or studio?

[NoraAmrani] oh

[Laura Leff] Nora - Gosh...tell us everything you can remember!

[ed] i was 14 and woke up my sisiter in the other bedroom when the announcement came of JB's death

[NoraAmrani] ok

[Maxwell] LL I don't think I've ever asked? Who owns the kinescopes of the live shows?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Most of those are PD now.

[NoraAmrani] The cemetary was packed with people - lots of stars were there speaking about Jack.

[NoraAmrani] I remember listening to Sammy Davis there

[NoraAmrani] and others - it was so long ago - but it was impressive to see how many people loved Jack.

[ed] george burns broke down and could not finish his speec

[ed] 'sppech*

[NoraAmrani] Yeah, it was sad - lots of tears

[ed] speech*

[NoraAmrani] unbelievable to think that he was gone.

[Brad from Georgia] Didn't Bob Hope finish for George?

[ed] yes

[KayLhota] It was very sad. It was a sad weekend.

[Laura Leff] Bob kind of took over for George

[Laura Leff] Definitely a prepared speech

[steve -shimp-] That is impressive Nora, did you go just out of being a fan of Jack?

[NoraAmrani] I went up to the top of the hill and went into the building where the crypt is, that was before the burial and during the service. They allowed me in thinking I was family, so I went.

[KayLhota] I remember watching the CBS news special, and feeling a little comforted, but sad because of the passing of such a beloved star

[Laura Leff] Yeah, no need to disabuse them of that notion.

[ed] well that's neat nora

[NoraAmrani] Yes, I grew up watching the shows and George and Gracie's shows, and Jack looked so much like my own father and they walked alike and had the same mannerims, so it was a little more personal for me.

[Laura Leff] At the risk of sounding macabre, did you actually see them place him?

[NoraAmrani] At that point I went down from the hill as they brought him up and I did watch and then left soon afterwards.

[ed] twin jack nearly wow!!!

[Laura Leff] One of the old caretakers filled me in on the mechanics of the sarcophagus, but I obviously haven't seen the inside.

[NoraAmrani] I didn't want to be caught in a traffic jam.

[Laura Leff] Nora - Understandable.

[NoraAmrani] The building where the memorial service was held was so packed and people were cramming in and around the outside, anywhere to see and hear the speeches.

[Laura Leff] Did they actually carry him up the hill by hand? He had plenty of pallbearers, but that would have been a hoof.

[NoraAmrani] Honestly, I don't remember!

[Laura Leff] Having carried George Balzer for a short stint, these things can still be heavy.

[NoraAmrani] I think they drove him up.

[Laura Leff] Sorry to delve into the details...just curious.

[NoraAmrani] You've probably been there, eh Laura?

[Laura Leff] Been to Hillside? Oh yes, many times.

[NoraAmrani] yes

[Laura Leff] I should check in and make sure the flower arrangements I put there a few years back are still in good shape.

[NoraAmrani] Did they move him or is he still up there at the top?

[Laura Leff] He's still in the same place.

[NoraAmrani] thanks

[Laura Leff] Hall of Graciousness, at the end of the hall.

[Brad from Georgia] Barbara and I visited Jack's tomb some years ago--we came from Georgia and that was the one thing I wanted to do in L.A.

[Laura Leff] Obviously, Mary's in there with him now.

[NoraAmrani] I have family friends and relatives buried there - I might make a visit there in the next month so I'll check out Jack's place.

[Laura Leff] Wrote a nice article about it for our newsletter, as well. (Brad did)

[steve -shimp-] Yep.

[Brad from Georgia] Thanks, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Nora - The people who works at the cemetary are really, really nice. I'm still in touch with them.

[NoraAmrani] That's good, Laura.

[Laura Leff] Nora - Are your friends anyone we'd have heard of?

[NoraAmrani] Sometimes I can get so nostalgic and sad missing these wonderful people who gave us so much.

[Laura Leff] There's a lot of star power in that place.

[steve -shimp-] I find cemetery caretakers to be exceptionally nice people for some reason... guess they like talking to the living!

[NoraAmrani] No, they are just family friends

[NoraAmrani] one was a fashion designer

[Laura Leff] Max Factor   

[NoraAmrani] but unless you were involved in fashion in the 1960s in L.A. you probably wouldn't have known her.

[NoraAmrani] I used to work for Max Factor.

[KayLhota] still, I am finding all of this interesting, Nora.

[Laura Leff] Oh go figure...you know Factor is there as well.

[NoraAmrani] I forgot he was there.

[NoraAmrani] My aunt worked for the company for over 40 years.

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[Laura Leff] He's near Lorne Greene. Greene's in the ground, Factor's in the wall.

[NoraAmrani] I worked in R&D, for the VP of Max Factor.

[KayLhota] oops we lost Yip again

[steve -shimp-] I was just listening to another Benny Xmas show where there was a good Max Factor gag.

[NoraAmrani] Oh.

[Laura Leff] Again, impressive!

[Laura Leff] I never have run across Dinah Shore there, but haven't made a concerted effort to find her.

[ed] really

[NoraAmrani] Nor I - not terribly interested in Dinah Shore.

[steve -shimp-] Mary's looking for a Lady Esther makeup kit for Babe, and comes back with a Max Factor kit. When Jack asks what happened to Lady Esther, Mary says "If we can get her looking like Max, it's progress!"

[NoraAmrani] haha

[ed] ha ha

[KayLhota] I remember when Mary Livingstone plugged the Jack Benny book on Dinah's show in 1978

[Laura Leff] I think of Jack giving Dinah the sign that says "LIZA!"

[NoraAmrani] oh wow, I watched some of Shore's shows, but not every one of them.

[ed] she really did not like TV much, Laura?

[Laura Leff] Ed - Mary, you mean?

[ed] yes

[Laura Leff] She was just done with performing by that time. Didn't even really want to work on the radio show.

[Laura Leff] At least she was able to appear on the Europe shows which were done in the summer of 1956.

[NoraAmrani] Laura - do you know the name of the town in Poland where Jack's family originated?

[ed] ah very good

[Laura Leff] Nora - His father was from Meretz Omer Kane

[Laura Leff] His mother was from Lithuania, but I don't have a shetl name yt.

[Laura Leff] yet

[NoraAmrani] Yikes - I don't know where that is.

[NoraAmrani] I thought he was from the area in Poland close to Germany.

[Laura Leff] Nora - Someone did a super in-depth study on it which I published in our August newsletter

[NoraAmrani] Ahh.

[NoraAmrani] Did he lose family in WWII?

[Laura Leff] Someone described it as "A town of Poland in Lithuania"

[Laura Leff] So it was likely somewhere near the moving border. You can look it up on Genealogy sites and get the actual lat-long

[NoraAmrani] a town of Poland in Lithuania - weird

[Laura Leff] Yeah, isn't it?

[Laura Leff] On all the census records, Mayer says that he's Polish. So that's what I say in general.

[NoraAmrani] like the town where my father was from doesn't exist anymore because of the border changes

[Laura Leff] I'm sure a lot of the shetls don't exist any more because of that and overall pogroms. Heck, even Poland didn't exist for a while.

[NoraAmrani] I don't recall Benny talking about family in Europe.

[ed] i was going to say most of those countries changed names or border esp. after WW2

[Laura Leff] It seems like most of them came over here.

[NoraAmrani] yeah, and they keep changing their names.

[ed] true

[NoraAmrani] Oh, then that was lucky for them.

[Laura Leff] Although someone thinks that he visited a relative in London in the early 50s.

[Laura Leff] Yes. I thought for a long time that Mayer was the only one, but then started turning up a bunch of siblings over the years.

[NoraAmrani] hmmm

[Laura Leff] His sister Clare married into the Gordons in Waukegan.

[NoraAmrani] they really embraced America.

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[Laura Leff] I had to get some genealogy freeware to keep track of it all.   

[KayLhota] oops, there went brad

[Laura Leff] It was certainly a safer bet than trying to stay in Poland/Lithuania.

[NoraAmrani] Laura - how did you get involved in all of this?

[NoraAmrani] I mean the Jack Benny stuff - from being a fan?

[Laura Leff] I started the club.   

[Laura Leff] Yeah, basically.

[KayLhota] can't do better than that!

[NoraAmrani] You did very well.

[Maxwell] Tell how old you were when you started the club.

[Laura Leff] Thank you very much.   

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Why don't YOU tell how old I was!   

[ed] she was a tike...

[Maxwell] Because you'll ridicule me if I get it wrong.

[Maxwell] But IIRC 10.

[Frank J. Lhota] She was 39.

[Laura Leff] The first newsletter was scratched out with the pin from my diaper...

[NoraAmrani] HAHAHAHHA

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Gosh, would I ridicule you? You're right!

[Laura Leff] Ulp...do I ridicule people?   

[KayLhota] naww

[Maxwell] Nah.

[Laura Leff] If I do, I'm very sorry!

[ed] nope

Maxwell was just stalling to remember.

[ed] you're fine boss

[Laura Leff] OK....if I ever do, please let me know!

[NoraAmrani] Laura, when is the next gathering at the Sportman's Lodge? I keep missing that event and do want to attend the next one.

[Maxwell] You haven't yet.

[KayLhota] But, weren't you only 3 years old in 1974?

[NoraAmrani] Wow - flashback - I just remembered what I wore to Jack's funeral.

[Laura Leff] Nora - It's actually held by SPERDVAC, not IJBFC. They're doing something at a hotel in Beverly Hills (so as not to have an incredibly loud Mexican wedding drowning out the sound)

[Laura Leff] I think it's in May

[NoraAmrani] LOLOLOL

[Laura Leff] Nora - What did you wear?

[NoraAmrani] I wore black tights, a black blouse, and a purple miniskirt, with these big clunking thick black heels.

[Laura Leff] I just heard the stories about the Mariachis shaking the walls...didn't hear it first hand!

[Laura Leff] Welcome to the 1970s! What, no plaid?

[KayLhota] Nora, that was in style in 1974.

[NoraAmrani] Okay, so you don't host that event at the Lodge.

[NoraAmrani] No plaid that day.

[NoraAmrani] Yeah, it was so hip hahaha

[Laura Leff] Nora - No, that's SPERDVAC. We did a one-shot in 2003. It's an incredible amount of work.

[NoraAmrani] I was 22.

[KayLhota] And the black was appropriate for the funeral, and for December.

[Laura Leff] So that makes you...39.

[NoraAmrani] Oh darn it.

[NoraAmrani] Exactly, Laura, 39.

[Maxwell] Nara is a couple of years younger than me, and I'm 39, too.

[Maxwell] Nora even

[NoraAmrani] How about that?! We should have a birthday part for all of us 39 year olds.

[NoraAmrani] party

[Laura Leff] You'd have plenty of company...

[NoraAmrani] the more the merrier

[ed] laura the defacto mayor of hollywood was johnny grant not anyone named jimmy

[Maxwell] At my age, 39 would be a birthday PART, because it wouldn't be a whole one.

[NoraAmrani] maybe we could break a record

[Laura Leff] Hopefully I'll have the bandwidth to get down in May. I'll see what they're doing on the program.


[Laura Leff] Ed - Ah, that's right. Good job!

[NoraAmrani] okay, Laura.

[Laura Leff] The largest 39th birthday celebration ever...

[ed] i found the article i cut out from the chicago tribune from jan.11th

[NoraAmrani] in honor of Jack Benny.

[NoraAmrani] Go Ed

[Laura Leff] Ed - This wasn't the one with me on the cover, was it?

[ed] i did not notice sorry ooops

[ed] jan 11th 2008

[Laura Leff] OIC...nope...I was on the front page a couple years ago for the Benny 39-cent stamp campaign.

[Laura Leff] What's the article?

[NoraAmrani] oh yes I remember the campaign

[ed] from the LA times his obit on page 10

[Laura Leff] Nora - Did you ever meet Jack?

[Laura Leff] Pre-mortem of course?

[ed] page 10 in the tribune

[Laura Leff] Ed - Oh, Johnny Grant's obit. Got it.

[NoraAmrani] yeah - and I'm glad you phrased it that way because I'm a medium and channel hahahaha

[Laura Leff] Nora - Very cool!

[NoraAmrani] I did not meet him in person - it is one of my regrets.

[ed] nora have you met an OTR actor?

[Laura Leff] Understood. I was too young logistically, but it's one of my regrets as well.

[NoraAmrani] Yes, I have met dozens of actors - live next door to one of them, too. I even had a MAHVELOUS experience with Bette Davis at the premiere of My Fair Lady.

[steve -shimp-] Nora, no disrespect intended, but ever try to get Jack on the old afterlife cell phone?

[NoraAmrani] That's one of my favorite stories.

[Laura Leff] Do tell!

[NoraAmrani] I did once, Laura.

[NoraAmrani] Oh - yeah - Bette Davis, here goes, it's fun

[NoraAmrani] I went to the premiere at the Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood with my parents

[NoraAmrani] I was 11

[NoraAmrani] The place was filled with movie stars.

[ed] i have jack getting robbed on my answer machine -i got it from the fan club in 2003

[NoraAmrani] During the intermission, I went to walk around and see who was there, and if maybe Audrey Hepburn came - she did not, alas. But, there was Bette Davis.

[Laura Leff] You must have been...what...about 16 or so

[NoraAmrani] I went up to meet her and she put her arm around me and we talked and walked. Soon she was surrounded by all other stars in awe of her and Bette held on to my shoulders tightly and used me as a shield, I think, and we made our way into the ladies room

[NoraAmrani] I was 11

[Laura Leff] Dang

[Frank J. Lhota] Good night folks.

[Laura Leff] Night Frank!

[NoraAmrani] You must know that I was terrified to meet her because after Baby Jane, well, you know...

[Maxwell] Good night Frank

[steve -shimp-] bye frank

[NoraAmrani] She was VERY sweet and kind to me.

[Laura Leff] Frank - Stay warm

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[NoraAmrani] night Frank.

[Laura Leff] Good thing it wasn't Joan Crawford...

[ed] i met martin milner at a route 66 fest here in springfield illinois and have his picture on the wall

[NoraAmrani] hahahah yes it was a good thing it wasn't Crawford.

[NoraAmrani] I felt so much better after that - no longer afraid of Bette Davis.

[ed] bye frank

[KayLhota] yes, I can picture Bette Davis being gracious

[Laura Leff] I can understand why Baby Jane would have made you feel that way!

[NoraAmrani] When I think back on that, I really do believe I helped her being a shield so she would have an excuse to get away from the crowds. And that's okay.

[Laura Leff] Hey, it gave you a story to tell the grandkids...and us!

[Laura Leff] Here's a question...I've been at a few Hollywood gatherings and often find it hard to pick out stars when you're seeing them in person.

[NoraAmrani] Well, Laura, I grew up in LA/Beverly Hills area and went to many different events and worked in the business for a long time. I met many stars - one was Orson Wells.

[Laura Leff] Were the "legendary" stars easier to spot?

[NoraAmrani] You do? Why - because they look different to you?

[Laura Leff] I think current stars often look too much like ordinary people.

[Laura Leff] Carole Lombard, while being from Fort Wayne, does not look ordinary.

[ed] at least according to the checkout mags laura

[KayLhota] Laura, I think another factor is that you may not be as familiar with newer stars.

[NoraAmrani] True.

[Laura Leff] Kay - That's entirely possible.

[Laura Leff] So tell us about Orson Welles!

[NoraAmrani] He was fat!

[KayLhota] please!

[Laura Leff] I'll bet!

[NoraAmrani] hahaha he was driving around the Universal lot in one of those little carts

[ed] his mom was born here in springfield

[NoraAmrani] and he was all smiles

[NoraAmrani] oh

[KayLhota] nice

[Laura Leff] This is well after his directing days and more into Paul Masson time, I'd imagine.

[NoraAmrani] I used to take my lunch breaks at the commissary at Universal, when I worked there, so I ate with the stars and got to finish off my lunch break watching filmings in the sound stages.

[Laura Leff] Or whomever it was who would sell no wine before it's time.

[Maxwell] We will sell no wine before its time.

[NoraAmrani] This was in the late 1970s, right before he died.

[ed] he died in 1985

[Laura Leff] Did you work for Universal?

[NoraAmrani] I also used to spend my weekends with my best friend going to meet stars in their homes!

[NoraAmrani] Well, yeah, it was before he died lol. I worked at Universal in the black tower.

[Laura Leff] And I continue to be impressed!   

[NoraAmrani] Wasserman was the head of the studio then.

[Laura Leff] Doing what?

[NoraAmrani] I actually got to go up to his office a couple of times ooooooooooo

[Laura Leff] You, not Lou.

[NoraAmrani] I started out typing sdcripts and within a week was promoted to the communications dept and then headed that dept.

[NoraAmrani] In those days communications was the major hub of the studio.

[Laura Leff] I'll be...I should connect you with another member who used to do the same thing for CBS!

[NoraAmrani] Oh yeah?

[NoraAmrani] Okay.

[Laura Leff] Anyhow...so you saw Welles in his cart.

[NoraAmrani] In those days we had to know how to use everything - yes Welles was driving around in his cart.

[NoraAmrani] Richard Dryfus was there at the same time.

[Laura Leff] Close Encounters?

[NoraAmrani] So was Walter Matthau.

[NoraAmrani] Yep.

[NoraAmrani] Matthau was then filming the movie with Redgrave.

[steve -shimp-] That would have been around the time Hitchcock was retiring/winding down at Universal before he died. Did you ever see him?

[Laura Leff] This sounds like a joke setup..."Orson Welles, Richard Dreyfus, and Walter Matthau walk into a bar..."

[NoraAmrani] I never saw Hitch.

[NoraAmrani] hahahaha

[NoraAmrani] But every lunch I would eat next to Conrad...the Bionic Man

[Maxwell] Time for me to head out. See you all next month.

[NoraAmrani] bye

[steve -shimp-] Bye Maxwell!

[Laura Leff] Take care, Maxwell!

[KayLhota] goodnight Maxwell

[Maxwell] And LL: Gunhild Carling (It's a tradition)!

[ed] bye guys happy holidays to all

[Maxwell] Merry Happy to you all.

[Laura Leff] To you too, Ed!

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[KayLhota] So, you would see William Conrad

[KayLhota] and Lee Majors

[NoraAmrani] Yep, every day.

[ed] laura i'll e-mail my latest collectors pic ASAP

[NoraAmrani] It was fun while it lasted.

[Laura Leff] Sounds great, Ed. Looking forward to it.

[ed] days*

[ed] god bless

[Laura Leff] So you had a lot more of the first-hand star experience to be able to spot these folks,

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[NoraAmrani] Then I moved on to William Morris and worked for Elvis' attorney - met tons of people there, like Henry Winkler, and every day Harvey Korman came in to meet with his agent next to mmy desk.

[NoraAmrani] Yes.

[Laura Leff] Right about the time he was working on the Burnett show.

[Laura Leff] Is Korman still around?

[KayLhota] He left it in 1977

[KayLhota] He died

[NoraAmrani] Well, it was in 1979.

[NoraAmrani] No - 1978.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, I thought I was a little older when he left.

[steve -shimp-] Korman died just this year.

[NoraAmrani] Right.

[KayLhota] He had his own show very briefly

[Laura Leff] Yes, I thought I'd heard he passed on.

[Laura Leff] I guess that means no more Dorf routines.

[KayLhota] guess not

[steve -shimp-] Dorf was Tim Conway!

[NoraAmrani] I did meet Carol Burnett - that's another fun story. Some time, Laura, maybe if you're interested, I can tell you about these times.

[Laura Leff] Nora - I'd love to hear more. These are great stories.

[NoraAmrani] ok

[KayLhota] the only thing that I can really remember about

[KayLhota] Harvey Korman's own TV show was when he was dressed up as a giant lobster man

[Laura Leff] I corresponded with Carol Burnett briefly. She seemed like a wonderful lady.

[NoraAmrani] hahahaha

[Laura Leff] Kay - Sounds more like Saturday Night Live.

[NoraAmrani] What was it about those older comedians always going into drag?

[Laura Leff] Land Lobster! Land Lobster!

[NoraAmrani] From Uncle Miltie

[Laura Leff] Nora - It's the British influence. They still love that stuff.

[KayLhota] Well, it's schtick

[KayLhota] The Ritz Brother used to do it

[Laura Leff] Heck, it goes back to Shakespeare's time

[Laura Leff] and probably further.

[KayLhota] true

[NoraAmrani] Yeah. Carol Burnett wasn't too happy that my friend and I found her house and knocked on her door to meet her. She was nice but told us not to do it again.

[Laura Leff] When women couldn't perform on stage.

[NoraAmrani] That's right, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Nora - Were you just crashing people's houses?

[NoraAmrani] Yup!

[KayLhota] that's pretty brazen

[Laura Leff] Gosh!

[NoraAmrani] I met Carolyn Jones that way - she had a doormat that said GO AWAY. She was nice.

[Laura Leff] Who is/was Carolyn Jones?

[KayLhota] funny

[NoraAmrani] I also got an autographed picture from George Hamilton that way - got into his house.

[NoraAmrani] Morticia Addams

[KayLhota] Carolyn Jones?

[KayLhota] Yes

[KayLhota] on the Addams Family

[Laura Leff] Oh go figure!

[NoraAmrani] I used to do that all the time - just go out to meet folks. Met a lot of rock stars that way, too, and got into parties.

[KayLhota] she did a lot of other stuff but that was her best

[Laura Leff] I just mentioned George Hamilton the other day.

[NoraAmrani] Oh? He was on tv last night with Geraldo Rivera. He wrote a book about his life.

[Laura Leff] Wonder if he's still tan.

[NoraAmrani] Very tan still.

[NoraAmrani] He uses this cream that does it.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, that was his trademark.

[Laura Leff] I'll bet!

[NoraAmrani] He's going on 70.

[Laura Leff] I bet his shirt collars are all orange.

[KayLhota] funny!

[NoraAmrani] No, they perfected the formula - he even showed it last night by taking a handerchief and wiping his face.

[Laura Leff] Are you still in the business?

[steve -shimp-] So Nora are you really a medium or were you kidding?

[NoraAmrani] Am I still in the business - well, I'm a writer and do healing work, and spiritual counseling, so in a way I am but not directly.

[NoraAmrani] I am actually a shaman.

[KayLhota] excellent

[Laura Leff] Fascinating!

[steve -shimp-] OK, gotcha. So, getting Jack on the line for us isn't really your thing?

[KayLhota] Nora, you are a real addition to our chats

[NoraAmrani] But, living in Studio City there are many actors living here and I always run into them.

[NoraAmrani] Thank you.

[Laura Leff] Are you writing for media, or in connection with your work?

[NoraAmrani] Not now - I wrote a book on American Indian Women Poets and have a book out of my collection of work on metaphysical topics and I'm working on two other books. My articles have been published in sevearl magazines, too.

[NoraAmrani] sorry for the typos.

[KayLhota] we all typo

[NoraAmrani] whew

[Laura Leff] Shaman's Drum, etc.

[NoraAmrani] Yeah, I know that magazine.

[NoraAmrani] My stuff was in Elohim Magazine and Sedona, Journal of Emergence.

[Laura Leff] Kind of fascinating to merge that sort of philosophy with living in Studio City

[Laura Leff] Is there a lot of call for it there?

[NoraAmrani] And my book on Indian women poets is used for research papers and thesis materials.

[NoraAmrani] Yeah, it's a balance that needs to be struck everywhere, Laura.

[NoraAmrani] Laura, what else do you do besides all this work for the Jack Benny material?

[NoraAmrani] Or does that take up all of your time/

[Laura Leff] I'm a Director for a software consulting firm.

[NoraAmrani] Oh, what kind of software?

[Laura Leff] Oh it could easily take up all my time. It just doesn't pay the mortgage.   

[NoraAmrani] I hear you.

[Laura Leff] The firm's specialty is staffing software

[NoraAmrani] Laura, do you have a relative in L.A. named Gay Leff? Or Carol Lefkovitz (maiden names)?

[Laura Leff] So we work for companies that help place people in temp/perm positiongs

[NoraAmrani] Oh that's good.

[Laura Leff] Leff is my husband's name...his family was all East Coast, so not aware of anyone on this coast.

[NoraAmrani] Ohhh, okay.

[Laura Leff] The standing joke is that my maiden name was Laura Lee.

[NoraAmrani] Was it?

[Laura Leff] Then I went to Leff. Which rebalances the exchange of Pinchus Leff becoming Pinky Lee.

[NoraAmrani] That's a name I always wanted to have - well, I was hung up on Supergirl as a kid.

[KayLhota] I'm dying here!

[NoraAmrani] Yes, Pinky Lee!

[steve -shimp-]  

[Laura Leff] I had too many people asking what my last name was. It was a variant of the Si-Sy routine.

[Laura Leff] What's your last name?

[Laura Leff] Lee.

[Laura Leff] Laura Lee Lee?

[Laura Leff] No, just Laura Lee.

[NoraAmrani] hahaha

[NoraAmrani] Laura Lee Leff

[NoraAmrani] LLL

[Laura Leff] Laura Gayle Leff. Dropped the Lee.

[NoraAmrani] Ahh

[Laura Leff] Someone thought I was Loralei Lee, like Marilyn Monroe in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"


[NoraAmrani] Did you tell them you were?

[KayLhota] Just two little girls from Little Rock

[Laura Leff] I said that I could only hope to look that good.

[KayLhota] true!

[NoraAmrani] Maybe they thought you looked that good!

[Laura Leff] Now I just get dumb jokes like, "Is Laura here? No, Laura Leff!"


[Laura Leff] Nora - I wish...

[Laura Leff] "Hey, do you have a friend named Wright? If you did, it would be Wright and Leff!"

[NoraAmrani] Ahh, looks isn't everyting.

[KayLhota] I'm forever correcting the pronunciation of "Lhota" which I can blame on my husband for being a "Lhota"

[NoraAmrani] Laura you're funny.

[KayLhota] She is.

[steve -shimp-] How do you pronounce it, Kay?

[Laura Leff] The best joke I heard was "Don't change again. The next stop is Leg"

[steve -shimp-] LOL!!!

[KayLhota] It's pronounced with a silent H and a long O sound

[KayLhota] Low-tah

[steve -shimp-] That's what I thought. How do people mispronounce it then?

[Laura Leff] I think I did L-ota

[NoraAmrani] Do they say Lotta?

[Laura Leff] L-HO-tah

[KayLhota] Lahota is pretty common, and Lotta, yes

[Laura Leff] Lotta Bull

[NoraAmrani] Close to Lakota.

[KayLhota] yep!

[Laura Leff] Is that North or South Lakota?

[KayLhota] I did say that to a friend. That we were a lotta Lhotas.

[NoraAmrani] Ahh - either one - the Lakota Tribe has also the Dakota with it.

[Laura Leff] I've got to echo Kay's sentiment that I'm delighted you were able to join us, Nora.

[KayLhota] Well, Frank is of Bohemian descent

[Laura Leff] I look forward to hearing more of your stories.

[NoraAmrani] thanks, it's fun being here and meeting you all

[Laura Leff] Kay - Funny...he doesn't have long hair.

[Laura Leff] Or a beret

[NoraAmrani] Steve - where are you from?

[steve -shimp-] Yeah, Nora, come by again.

[Laura Leff] Or a goatee

[KayLhota] Frank has little hair to spare, yes.

[Laura Leff] In this veil of toil and sin

[steve -shimp-] I'm in Virginia now, but was born and raised in Michigan and did a stint in the SF Bay area.

[Laura Leff] Your head grows bald but not your chin

[NoraAmrani] I will.

[Laura Leff] Burma Shave

[NoraAmrani] Ahh, an all around kind of guy.

[steve -shimp-] Sort of, yeah!

[KayLhota] I hope he never goes bearded.

[Laura Leff] For some reason, many of us on the chat are from Western Michigan.

[Laura Leff] Not just this second, but a lot of the regulard.

[Laura Leff] regulars

[NoraAmrani] Laura, if you want to reach me you can get my email from my web site vibrani.com

[KayLhota] Frank was from Detroit, and that's Eastern MI

[NoraAmrani] or type in noraamrani.com takes you to the same place

[Laura Leff] OK, I should be more general. And Marshall is kind of in the middle.

[steve -shimp-] I was kind of "mid" Michigan. But we know the same weird places like Win Schulers

[Laura Leff] OK...I'll try to check that out.

[Laura Leff] Steve - And their little barbecued meatballs.

[KayLhota] I was born in Park Ridge IL but I grew up in Waltham MA

[steve -shimp-] and the spready cheese

[NoraAmrani] I was born in Chicago but came to LA when I was a week old.

[Laura Leff] Kay - I forgot you were a midwesterner as well

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh, don't give me a craving...

[Laura Leff] Gosh...we're ALL midwesterners!

[NoraAmrani] how about that

[KayLhota] Yes, but I'm more of an easterner, until we get to talking about the 60's TV era

[steve -shimp-] Well, Jack was too!

[KayLhota] then, it's Chicago television!

[Laura Leff] True...there you go.

[NoraAmrani] yes also from Il

[Laura Leff] Bozo the Clown and Cookie

[NoraAmrani] Yeah, and Bozo just died.

[KayLhota] Hilary Clinton and I had the same Pediatrician

[steve -shimp-] Good thing he cloned himself A LOT before Bozo died.

[KayLhota] Actually, I left before Cookie came on. I remember Oliver O. Olliver

[NoraAmrani] You can Hill had the same doctor - did you ever see her there?


[KayLhota] No, she was about 10 years older than me

[Laura Leff] So Frank will be running for President in 2012?

[NoraAmrani] well, ya never know - you might have been there at the same time.

[KayLhota] but a good friend of my Mom's told her that he had Hilary as his art student in High School

[KayLhota] and she was the best and most organized that he ever had

[NoraAmrani] wonder what she was like in high school

[Laura Leff] And I thought Hilary was from Arkansas.

[NoraAmrani] hahahaha

[NoraAmrani] did she try to run the class?

[KayLhota] She went to school at Wellesley, so there is the East coast connection as well

[KayLhota] From what Don White said, Hilary was a favorite student

[NoraAmrani] did any of you watch SNL last night?

[KayLhota] no

[Laura Leff] No

[steve -shimp-] nope

[KayLhota] it must have been good

[Laura Leff] I seem to get my SNL fix off of Arianna Huffington's site posting Sarah Palin send-ups

[NoraAmrani] oh well - they started off with Amy doing Hillary in the Oval Office asking the audience - thought you'd seen the last of me, did ya?

[Laura Leff] What was it?

[Laura Leff]  

[KayLhota] good, I love it

[NoraAmrani] She said that being Sec. of State is ALMOST her dream job.

[Laura Leff] It's more powerful than being VP

[KayLhota] oh, she'll be fine at it

[NoraAmrani] yes she will

[KayLhota] she's still one of the brightest minds in Washington

[NoraAmrani] Bill showed up (not the real one) and both of them said that we will always have the Clintons - 16 years and counting, can't get rid of them.

[Laura Leff] Fascinating that he kept the Sec'y of Defense on

[steve -shimp-] I thought Amy Pohler quit?

[NoraAmrani] She sure is - but she really got screwed in the elections.

[NoraAmrani] No Pohler had a baby and took off a couple of months - it was Tina Fey that left SNL.

[NoraAmrani] because of her other show.

[Laura Leff] 30 Rock

[steve -shimp-] Yeah, I thought Pohler wasn't coming back though.

[NoraAmrani] yes - people think Obama will have so much change with people in Washington - nope.

[KayLhota] well, time for me to say goodnight, Merry Christmas, Happy Hollidays, Safe and fabulous new year

[Laura Leff] When I watched the Senate when I was in Washington, I saw Hilary kind of cutely flirting with the old Senator from West Virginia.

[NoraAmrani] Same to you, Kay, nice to meet you.

[KayLhota] Thanks

[Laura Leff] Take care, Kay! Hope to see you nexxt month!

[NoraAmrani] She has that twinkle in her eyes often.

[KayLhota] I hope Frank and I will be here

[steve -shimp-] Yeah, I should probably retire for the night as well. Good to have you join us Nora. Talk to you soon Laura!

[KayLhota] bye

[steve -shimp-] And, happy holidays all.

[KayLhota] night Steve

[Laura Leff] Yeah, that was it exactly. She sort of rubbed his arm as she went by and then winked over her shoulder at him.

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[NoraAmrani] nite Steve - good to meet you, too.

[Laura Leff] Night, Steve!

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[NoraAmrani] The Clintons have flirty personalities - no biggie.

[Laura Leff] As much as I'd love to stay, I need to get some dinner.

[Laura Leff] It was just cute.

[NoraAmrani] Then by all means - eat!

[Laura Leff] I liked her energy.

[NoraAmrani] :-)

[Laura Leff] Take care, and hope to talk with you again!

[NoraAmrani] I hoped she was going to be our pres.

[NoraAmrani] Oh well.

[Laura Leff] I think we still got a good candidate, though.

[NoraAmrani] We'll see - I hope so.

[Laura Leff] He supported the stamp.   

[Laura Leff] Take care, and have a great holiday season!

[NoraAmrani] Have a great night, Laura, and happy holidays to you - happy Chanukah, merry Christmas, happy new year and everything else! Hey - really? He supported the stamp? That's great.

[NoraAmrani] Thanks. Good night.

[Laura Leff] Yup. I had a meeting in his office.

[NoraAmrani] Did you meet him?

[Laura Leff] So Obama's good in our book.

[Laura Leff] Not quite...he breezed by me during the meeting. I was impressed.

[NoraAmrani] Well, I give him points for that!

[NoraAmrani] Ahh that's nice.

[Laura Leff] Again, good energy.

[NoraAmrani] Good going, Laura!

[Laura Leff] OK...take care!

[NoraAmrani] you, too, see you next time I hope.