IJBFC Chat - August 3, 2008

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[Maxwell] Hey Laura

[Steve -shimp-] Hiya Laura!

[Laura Leff] Hi folks

[Maxwell] Small group so far tonight.

[Laura Leff] How's everyone doing tonight?

[Maxwell] Doing good here. You?

[Steve -shimp-] Doing well!

[Laura Leff] Pretty good

[Laura Leff] Nice productive weekend without being crazy.

[Laura Leff] Hi Michael - Is this your first time here?

[Michael] Hi Laura and no it isn't

[Michael] I was here last month

[Laura Leff] OK...just wasn't remembering...we have a lot of Mikes and Michaels

[Laura Leff] Ah, my apologies. I should have remembered!

[Michael] no worries

[Steve -shimp-] I missed last month, I was in Colorado...

[Maxwell] But very few Maxwells.

[Laura Leff] Well, welcome back.

[Steve -shimp-] So, nice to meet you Michael!

[Laura Leff] And only one Steve shimp

[Maxwell] Except perhaps Maxwell Stroud.

[Steve -shimp-] At least when the schizophrenia isn't kicking in.

[Laura Leff] So did folks get a chance to listen to the two shows for tonight?

[Michael] now.... I've got a question for you Laura.... why did you pick two shows that tell the same story?

[Steve -shimp-] Yeah. How many times did they go to the well with that script!?

[Laura Leff] Michael - Well, I figured that it might be interesting to do a compare/contrast between the two.

[Laura Leff] Steve - More than just these two.

[Michael] sounded to me the only thing different were the specific actors/actresses

[Laura Leff] See what's the same and what changed in the four years between performances.

[Steve -shimp-] There's Vincent Price on TV -- and another we listened to several chats back that wasn't quite the same, but used some bits.

User Brad from Georgia has entered this room.

[Laura Leff] Well, you have the fish market bit

[Michael] Hi Brad

[Maxwell] Interestingly enough I recently watched the live Vincent Price show.

[Laura Leff] Hi Brad!

[Steve -shimp-] Hi Brad.

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, LL, Maxwell, Michael, Steve

[Maxwell] Hey Brad!

[Steve -shimp-] I love that one because VP and Jack together really makes my day.

[Laura Leff] Also that the audience on Ham for Sale sounded much colder...took longer to warm up.

[Laura Leff] Different ending, too

[Steve -shimp-] Interesting how some gags die in one performance but will go over like gangbusters in the other.

[Brad from Georgia] Didn't Jack redo this show once again on TV, with Vincent Price as guest?

[Maxwell] Yeah, it sounded at first like they didn't know it was a comedy.

[Laura Leff] And Stanwyck cracking up

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sure did...Steve just recently saw it.

[Maxwell] Brad and Irene Dunn and Gregory Ratoff.

[Maxwell] Gregory?

[Steve -shimp-] So did Maxwell!

[Brad from Georgia] So did Brad.

[Brad from Georgia] It was on the recent DVD set.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, they got a lot of mileage out of this script! I think Gulf was the first time they did it.

[Steve -shimp-] It would have been great if Vincent and Irene were doing "I Dismember Mama"

[Laura Leff] Any guesses on the supporting cast members?

[Maxwell] Steve, unfortunately that was before Price's career at AIP began.

[Steve -shimp-] Ah, true.

[Maxwell] Well, the announcer on the Stanwyck one was Truman Bradley.

[Laura Leff] Any guesses on the supporting cast? Operators, etc.?

[Brad from Georgia] It's been a couple of weeks since I listened to the shows. Was gonna relisten today, but our daughter had a dog crisis, and we spent the day helping her resolve it.

[Steve -shimp-] There weren't many supporting cast - the phone operator?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Hope the dog is better.

[Brad from Georgia] Truman Bradley: "Science Fiction Theater."

[Laura Leff] Joe's Fish Market guy

[Maxwell] Brad *dingdingdingding*

[Laura Leff] Truman Capote: "In Cold Blood"

[Maxwell] I have to admit I was multitasking and wasn't listening to voices.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--The dog is ours now. She couldn't handle it, and couldn't stand to send it back to the pound. We have a fenced-in yard, so....we took Tripper.

[Laura Leff] Brad - For more than just a Day Tripper

[Brad from Georgia] Truman Bradley Capote: "In a Cold, Bloody Science Fiction Theater"

[Laura Leff] It was a cold and bloody science fiction theatre...

[Maxwell] From the audience reaction, it sounded like Jack really planted one on Barbara.

[Laura Leff] So what else about these shows?

[Brad from Georgia] Tripper was named, btw, for his propensity to wrap his leash around one's ankles.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yes, so much that it made me laugh

[Brad from Georgia] Let's see...I think you're right that the two audiences were vastly different in their expectations.

[Laura Leff] It sounded like Stanwyck starting to crack up got the audience to loosen up

[Maxwell] That and the jokes/ad libs about Curtiz.

[Brad from Georgia] The way one audience seemed to laugh somewhat randomly made me wonder if someone were mugging.

[Laura Leff] Lines that got big laughs on Gulf sometimes got absolutely nothing on Front Line

[Brad from Georgia] Well, Gulf is a gas.

[Steve -shimp-] I'm curious that this script seems to have been done for a number of 'charity' shows but only once on the JBS, the TV version, right?

[Steve -shimp-] Could Morrow and Beloin have 'donated' their writer's fees in some way?

[Laura Leff] Steve - Hmmm

[Laura Leff] Steve - For some reason, I want to say that they did it on the radio show too...

[Maxwell] I've been trying to remember if I've heard it on the radio show.

[Laura Leff] Would have to do some thumbing in "39 Forever".

[Steve -shimp-] Was there a vincent price radio version?

[Brad from Georgia] Does anyone remember what the TV equivalent of the "Fine Sherlock Holmes, can't even find his car" line was?

[Steve -shimp-] Maybe. Like I say, they went to the well a LOT with this one.

[Laura Leff] I feel like I remember some of it with Mary doing the lead in on it

[Steve -shimp-] There was "I can beat Vincent's PRICE", but not the same context.

[Maxwell] Brad Now I'm trying to remember if there was an equivalent line.

[Brad from Georgia] I'd meant to check today, but doggy troubles....

[Laura Leff] "Well, Don, you know Jack always wants to get into drama...so the other day he (music fade)"

[Laura Leff] But they'd have to trim it down to probably the second half of the show.

[Steve -shimp-] OK, 2/6/49, Vincent Price on radio version of the script. Thanks for 39 Forever, LL!

[Maxwell] That was pretty much what they did for the Price/Dunne show iirc.

[Laura Leff] As for supporting actors, it's Morrow and Beloin doing the "relay" bit on Gulf...

[Laura Leff] Steve - Thanks! Knew I'd heard it...

[Laura Leff] So they basically bring it up again every 4-5 years.

[Maxwell] With a different director every time.

[Steve -shimp-] Didn't we do a chat on a similar (but not identical) script that was another charity show with Judy Garland, and Jack trying to horn in on something as well?

[Laura Leff] Jack helped with global warming by extensive recycling.

[Brad from Georgia] But always a director with a different foreign language.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh...yeah, they did that at Sperdvac as well.

[Maxwell] Steve, who was the director in the radio show with Price?

[Steve -shimp-] I think there are sections that are identical in those scripts.

[Laura Leff] That was the first show of the Gulf Screen Guild Theatre.

[Steve -shimp-] Fletcher Markle

[Laura Leff] Does a bit with Joan Crawford, trying to get to do work with her.

[Maxwell] Okay, I am pretty sure I've heard that one, too.

[Maxwell] I've been trying to remember.

[Laura Leff] Jack did a lot of dialogues with beautiful actresses trying to play leading man to them, and them saying that he doesn't have sex appeal.

[Brad from Georgia] I thought the jokes mostly worked on both versions. I think the walnut gag worked better on TV.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Remind me of the visual on that.

[Maxwell] Brad, agreed. It's funnier to see him cracking several nuts than hearing a couple of loud SFX cracks.

[Steve -shimp-] The SFX are exaggerated in the TV version too, which is funny.

[Brad from Georgia] Enormous bowl of walnuts; Jack sort of hogs them, stirring them around noisily to select just the right ones, then cracking two at a time, to loud SFX.

[Laura Leff] Nod to Ray Erlenborn...

[Laura Leff] who most likely provided the cracks...

[Maxwell] The visual part adds to the gag.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Right, OK, that's stirring a memory...or maybe just stirring a nut

[Steve -shimp-] Is it just me, or when Jack is out of his element --- i.e., without the regular cast, he tends to play "annoying Jack" rather than "Patsy Jack"?

[Brad from Georgia] (Barbara's watching the new Muppets show on Disney TV--Kermit reminds me of Jack!)

[Laura Leff] Brad - I know Jim Henson took a lot of inspiration from Jack.

[Steve -shimp-] On his own show, with the exception of the Colmans episodes, he's usually the fall guy.

[Brad from Georgia] Steve--I think that's a valid observation.

[Michael] no steve it wasn't just you

[Maxwell] Steve Well, when he's trying to be a leading man, he is being more annoying than anything else.

[Laura Leff] Wanted to do a special with Jack and the Muppets. The mind runs wild...

[Maxwell] Steve: And also the Stewarts.

[Michael] like Jack & Animal?

[Laura Leff] Well, Jack does that sometimes on his own show as well.

[Steve -shimp-] WO-MAN! Cut that out!

[Laura Leff] I'm remembering a 30s show where Jack is in a barrel when they're trying to shoot a scene, and keeps messing up the scene. Very similar premise.

[Michael] or Jack playing the violin with Dr Teeth & the Electric Mayhem

[Brad from Georgia] "Lookit, Animal...Animal! Mattress head! Come in on the downbeat, understand? ON the downbeat." "Ahhhhhh...OK, Jackson! Ahhhhh!"

[Laura Leff] IIRC, it has a very early Frank Nelson doing a totally straight role.

[Laura Leff] Jack arguing with Statler and Waldorf

[Steve -shimp-] Dr. Bunsen Honeydew performing experiments on Dennis Day...

[Laura Leff] Fozzie Bear could be a reasonable Phil Harris stand in

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis: Meep meep meep meep.

[Laura Leff] And Miss Piggy -> Mary is obvious...

[Laura Leff] It's not easy bein' cheap...

[Steve -shimp-] Mary could've karate-chopped Jack once in awhile. It'd be hiLARious...

[Laura Leff] Spendin' each day absolutely nothing...

[Brad from Georgia] Jack wasn't annoying in either "To Be or Not to Be" or "George Washington Slept Here." Fall guy in both. Smart reworking of the script in the latter.

[Laura Leff] And Lubitsch created Tura specifically for Jack.

[Steve -shimp-] Yeah, I'm thinking more when he was guesting as "Jack", not as other characters.

[Laura Leff] Has anyone here seen (IIRC) Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House?

[Brad from Georgia] My daughter saw the Benny version not long ago and was astonished, she said, at how much better it was than the Mel Brooks version.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I've seen it.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Amen

[Laura Leff] Brad - Just wondering how that compares to George Washington

[Maxwell] I saw Blandings a week or two ago.

[Steve -shimp-] Ages ago. I don't recall it very clearly.

[Brad from Georgia] The makers were sued, you know, because "Blandings" was too close to a book about a homebuyer's headaches.

[Laura Leff] I thought I recalled some sort of connection.

[Brad from Georgia] There are similarities, but then there are similarities between both of those and "The Money Pit."

[Steve -shimp-] Geez, I saw "The Money Pit" in the theater. Where is Shelley Long these days.

[Maxwell] Basic premise is very similar but the details vary a lot.

[Laura Leff] How's the comparison between Jack's character and Cary Grant's?

[Laura Leff] Steve - Long gone.

[Steve -shimp-]  

[Maxwell] Cary Grant is much more frazzled, I think.

[Maxwell] Of course he's worried about the Wham account and Melvyn Douglas messing around with his wife.

[Laura Leff] Speaking of sex appeal...in this big stack of stills I got recently, there's a shot from GWSH that's a downright compelling shot of Ann Sheridan laying in Jack's arms. Really serious shot.

[Michael] is he as frazzled as he is in Arsenic & Old Lace?

[Laura Leff] Oh, I love that movie.

[Maxwell] Not quite, but similar.

[Brad from Georgia] I think Grant was uber frazzled in the last twenty minutes of "Arsenic"

[Laura Leff] Some day I'll find a stage production of it and try out for one of the old ladies. Just my part.

[Maxwell] Maybe closer to how frazzled he was in His Girl Friday.

[Maxwell] Or Father Goose.

[Laura Leff] But the lines are somewhat slower.

[Steve -shimp-] We should put on an IJBFC production of Arsenic and Old Lace. I want the crazy Teddy Roosevelt uncle part!

[Brad from Georgia] I saw a live production of "Arsenic" in Utah one summer. Made me wish I could try out for the Karloff role...the guy doing it made him sort of a gay character, not menacing at all.

[Laura Leff] They also did a long series of shots of Jack made up as George Washington as publicity shots...got those too.

[Maxwell] Somehow Raymond Massey didn't make it for me in the movie version of Arsenic. I think of him as Abe Lincoln, not Boris Karloff.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh my...if only...

[Brad from Georgia] Massey was not a good Karloff sub.

[Steve -shimp-] Especially since they left in all the karloff-specific "He said I looked like Frankenstein" dialogue!

[Michael] I know....

[Maxwell] Exactly! But what could he have said, "He said I looked like Abe Lincoln"?

[Brad from Georgia] Problem was, Karloff was tied up on Broadway while the movie was shooting, so he couldn't be in it.

[Michael] and I think of him as Chauvelin in Leslie Howard's Scarlet Pimpernel

[Laura Leff] It is an interesting thought though...that Cary Grant in comedy always sort of plays the put-upon guy, just as Jack does.

[Maxwell] What I like about Grant are the little asides he puts in to indicate that he's frazzled.

[Laura Leff] Such as

[Maxwell] I can't think of a specific line...just little muttered things, kind of like Popeye.

[Brad from Georgia] I like the suppressed but frantic rising Grant whines when he's under pressure.

[Laura Leff] "Look, I have to stay here, but there's no reason you can't go out into the lobby until this blows over..."

[Laura Leff] Oops, wrong comic actor.

[Michael] am trying to imagine jack proudly announcing "I'm the Son of a Sea Cook"

[Maxwell] Not just when he's frazzled really. He kind of acts as his own Greek chorus.

[Brad from Georgia] "What kinna name is Olive Oyl? (sounds like some kinda lubrikinks)."

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Interesting...I'll have to watch for that.

[Maxwell] Can you tell that Cary Grant is one of my favorites? Maybe we should start a thread on him in the Other Stuff area of the message board.

[Laura Leff] Trying to think if Cary Grant ever worked with Jack...

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Go for it!

[Maxwell] What's the movie he made with Irene Dunne where they were getting divorced?

[Brad from Georgia] I'm reading "Sinatra: the Life" by Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan right now, and he mentions that Jack did Sinatra an enormous favor early in Sinatra's career.

[Laura Leff] Oh um...

[Michael] Maxwell... have you heard Cary in the Suspense show "On a Country Road"?

[Maxwell] (Not Penny Serenade...this was a comedy)

[Laura Leff] Penny Serenade

[Laura Leff] That was a painful movie to watch. And I did at least a couple of times.

[Maxwell] Yes I have...a couple of years ago.

[Brad from Georgia] When Sinatra was debuting in the Paramount in NYC, by far the best venue he had ever played at the time, Jack gave him an effusive introduction, saying that he was a great young singer and a good friend...when in fact Jack had never heard of him and had

[Brad from Georgia] met him only moments before.

[Laura Leff] Brad - No kidding! I didn't know that...

[Laura Leff] Where'd you get that tidbit?

[Maxwell] Nice buildup for the kid, though.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack was amazed--the book says that was the first real assault of the "bobby soxers" and Jack said, "It was amazing! I thought the building was going to cave in!"

[Laura Leff] This wasn't the time that they hired women to be in the audience and scream and faint, was it?

[Brad from Georgia] LL--It's in "Sinatra: the Life," by Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan.

[Maxwell] LL Supposedly.

[Laura Leff] Cool. I read Kitty Kelley's book on Sinatra at the urging of Larry Adler.

[Laura Leff] He said every word of it was true.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--that was earlier, in smaller places; there may have been some shills in the Paramount, too, but most of the girls were really swooning.

[Laura Leff] Something to be said for mass hysteria, I guess.

[Michael] yep.... just ask the Beatles

[Brad from Georgia] One woman recalled, "When we got tickets to the Sinatra show, a dozen of us got together and practiced swooning."

[Laura Leff] It was the first for the bobby soxers, but I've read that women used to do the same for Rudy Vallee.

[Laura Leff] Vagabond lover and all, y'know.

[Maxwell] I've never heard that about him...or Columbo or Crosby either.

[Steve -shimp-] I'm not sure I even know the precise definition of swooning. I'd be bad at that? Is that just shy of a full faint?

[Maxwell] Steve I'd say that's about right.

[Brad from Georgia] I saw the Beatles live in '64, crowd of 30,000, and heard not one note of their songs because of the shrieking.

[Laura Leff] Steve - I think of it as sort of a faint, mainly from emotional fever pitch

[Maxwell] Or what usually happens to the Cubs in June.

[Maxwell] (Not this year, though)

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sounds like the time Dan and I went to see Woody Allen play at Michael's Pub in New York.

[Brad from Georgia] A swoon is a series of rising screams, then moans and swaying, and then a full faint.

[Steve -shimp-] A good jelly donut might make me swoon. Sinatra not so much.

[Michael] give it time (says the Cardinals fan) :-P

[Maxwell] Michael, here's hoping!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Really? I didn't know it had to be preceded by screams.

[Maxwell] White Sox fan here.

[Brad from Georgia] Well, the book makes Sinatra come across as an enormously talented jerk.

[Laura Leff] Must adjust my technique...

[Laura Leff] I'm not sure where the Red Sox are, especially since their heavy hitters went on the DL or into a slump (or both)

[Brad from Georgia] The best form is "Eeeee! Frankie! Eeeeee! Frankie! Frankieeeeeee! EEEEEEEEE!"

[Laura Leff] So the faint comes from oxygen deprivation, apparently.

[Michael] would make sense...

[Michael] wonder how much hyperventilation would come into it though?

[Laura Leff] And women in the 19th century fainted because their corsets were too tight.

[Laura Leff] Maybe same basic effect.

[Maxwell] Exactly.

[Brad from Georgia] And Jack's Pasadena fan club fainted because of clogged arteries.

[Steve -shimp-] Mary Livingstone would faint when someone else was sucking the oxygen out of the room....or so I hear.

[Maxwell] Gather unto you that which is yours.

[Laura Leff] Brad - LOL...I was just telling Dan about that show today.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oooooooooo

[Steve -shimp-] Or maybe Sinatra was hiding somewhere in a box. I can't say, I wasn't there.

[Laura Leff] Maybe Amy Winehouse is following in Sinatra's footsteps, punching out fans and all.

[Laura Leff] (The things you learn reading the London tabloids, you know...)

[Maxwell] If somebody ends up with a horse's head in their bed, then you know she is.

[Steve -shimp-] Jack and Amy Winehouse would be funny together.

[Steve -shimp-] Doing the Gisele MacKenzie duet bit.

[Laura Leff] That....would be an....interesting pairing

[Brad from Georgia] Harry Cohn actually did not own a race horse.

[Steve -shimp-] I don't want to go to rehab .... OH YES YOU DO SISTER!

[Laura Leff] So it was made up for the movie, I take it

[Brad from Georgia] I think in real life it was one of the Three Stooges' heads...Cohn did own them.

[Maxwell] Or Jules White.

[Laura Leff]   thinking of the pan down, flip the covers back, and it's Curly's head and he starts screaming

[Steve -shimp-]  

[Brad from Georgia] And Curly's head goes "Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!"

[Laura Leff] Harry Conn also did not own a race horse (as far as I know)


[Laura Leff] (Had to re-read Brad's comment a couple times because my head was stuck in Benny-land)

[Maxwell] Did Harry Conn con Harry Cohn?

[Brad from Georgia] LL--No, he didn't. Apparently, a threat from Johnny Rosselli was sufficient--as though Tom Hagen's visit worked.

[Maxwell] Or did Harry Cohn con Harry Conn?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - For an ice cream cohn.

[Brad from Georgia] How many Cohns could a Harry Cohn con if a Harry Cohn could con Cohns?"

[Laura Leff] Brad - IIRC, I think Benny Goodman may have gotten threatened as well to release Sinatra from his contract...

[Maxwell] LL: Tommy Dorsey

[Maxwell] I've heard that, too.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Thank you.

[Laura Leff] You're right.

[Laura Leff] I even had the mental image of the trombone in my head...duh...

Maxwell knows his big bands

[Brad from Georgia] LL--yes, Maxwell's right. Tommy Dorsey.

[Laura Leff] I know he's right...crossed my wires. Oops...

[Maxwell] Benny Goodman didn't need anyone to make him get rid of his musicians. He could do it all by himself.

[Brad from Georgia] Gee, I get a line almost typed, and a bunch of people make what I'm going to say irrelevant.

[Brad from Georgia] At least an irrelevant never forgets.

[Maxwell] All he'd do is give the "the ray" and they were toast.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Or irreverent. But you don't need our help on that.

[Brad from Georgia] Yeah, Goodman was reportedly very verbally abusive.

[Laura Leff] Another very talented jerk.

[Maxwell] Nothing like Steve Allen.

[Laura Leff] And then there was Arte Shaw and his many wives, that I don't think he ever admitted how many he had...

[Laura Leff] Artie

[Brad from Georgia] When a new musician joined his outfit, the standard greeting was, "Okay, you @##@@, are you gonna do things my way or am I gonna have to kick your #@@#?"

[Maxwell] LL I think the number was something like 8.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - He was asked that in interviews later in life and refused to answer.

[Laura Leff] I've heard Vallee was also a talented jerk.

[Laura Leff] And then there was Al Jolson...

[Brad from Georgia] Sinatra was fixated on Ava Gardner for many years, even after their divorce.

[Maxwell] I know Vallee was tight.

[Laura Leff] Who, BTW, is my favorite singer.

[Maxwell] With a buck that is.

[Laura Leff] Brad - There was a story that he was still insisting on being buried next to her.

[Laura Leff] I'm not sure if he was, though.

[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell: Not only with a buck. That "megaphone" was actually a funnel for bootleg hootch. (Naw, I'm lying)

[Laura Leff] Of course, it's understandable to be fixated on Ava Gardner.

[Brad from Georgia] I didn't know that Ava Gardner was from just down the road in South Carolina. For some reason I was thinking she was from the Southwest.

[Maxwell] Hell, I'm fixated on Ava Gardner and she's been dead for decades.

[Laura Leff] Mental image of Vallee using his megaphone the same way Harpo uses his glass in Horse Feathers.

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[Steve -shimp-] There is an Ava Gardener museum in some town there. I pass the highway signs all the time but have never gone.

[Brad from Georgia] Ava supposedly had a voracious romantic appetite, too.

[Maxwell] And Mickey Rooney just couldn't satisfy it.

[Laura Leff] Yes, heard that too. Read her autobiography...plenty of spin, but still enjoyable.

[Brad from Georgia] Of course, two weeks after she married Mickey Rooney, she discovered he had started having an affair with one of her bridesmaids the day after the wedding.

[Laura Leff] Not surprised at that.

[Maxwell] Why would you do that when you have Ava Gardner.

[Maxwell] Some people are just NUTS!

[Laura Leff] Some people like living on the edge, I guess.

[Laura Leff] Welcome to Sillywood.

[Maxwell] I guess that's why I've been married for 33 years and Mickey was married 8 times or whatever it is.

[Laura Leff] I'm told that Rooney is a very bitter man now.

[Brad from Georgia] And supposedly Sinatra once called Gardner while they were married and said, "I'm makin' love to Lana Turner." A couple of weeks later, she called him and said, "I'm doing the same thing you were doing with Lana Turner--with Lana Turner."

[Laura Leff] Feels like Hollywood turned their back on him.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Wow!

[Laura Leff] No need for a sweater there...

[Steve -shimp-] I wonder if there are pictures of that in that museum.

[Maxwell] I saw the interview that Robert Osborne did a few years ago with Rooney. He probably bored everybody in Hollywood to death.

[Brad from Georgia] Sounds like a marriage made in, well, you know, heck. Each one of them cheated, reported it to the spouse, who then upped the ante and let the other know that....

[Brad from Georgia] I saw Rooney live a couple of years ago at Dragon-Con. He told lots of anecdotes, but rambled quite a bit, too.

[Laura Leff] I guess it's like people who fight like crazy and then go to the bedroom. I just don't understand it. But I guess it works for them.

[Maxwell] Rooney did 5 minutes on what a wonderful guy L.B. Mayer was.

[Laura Leff] Rooney was rambling plenty when I interviewed him at Sugar Babies back in 1984.

[Maxwell] It beats going to the bedroom and fighting like crazy.

[Brad from Georgia] Makes you appreciate a union like Jack's and Mary's.....

[Laura Leff] He went on about Wallace Beery then.

[Steve -shimp-] I hear Mickey Rooney is more "Andy" Rooney these days...

[Laura Leff] But I like Andy Rooney...

[Maxwell] I think he lost his life insurance gig, too. I haven't seen that ad in awhile.

[Laura Leff] He doesn't even do much in it.

[Laura Leff] Or maybe it wasn't really selling for them.

[Brad from Georgia] "Hi, I'm Andy Rooney. Know what burns me up? The way my dad never let me drive the jalopy I'd built, and when we put on our shows in the barn, he hardly ever attended them."

[Maxwell] His wife does all the talking. They probably couldn't keep him to the script. Had to tell about Judy and L.B. Mayer.

[Laura Leff] I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[Laura Leff] Might also have trouble remembering lines or reading cue cards.

[Brad from Georgia] Well, he was in "Night in the Museum" not all that long ago.

[Laura Leff] Has everyone seen the show he did with Jack about the prison in the future?

[Maxwell] LL Yeah, about a year ago.

[Steve -shimp-] No, or I don't remember it.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-No, I haven't, or don't remember it anyway.

[Maxwell] That was a re-do of an old script, too.

[Brad from Georgia] LL! Steve's copying rom me!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Any opinions on it?

[Steve -shimp-] Brad's touching me! Pull the car over!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yeah, I think it's the same as the Ernie Kovacs script.

[Laura Leff] Now, now...am I going to have to separate you two?

[Maxwell] Right...I just saw that one on the DVD a little wile ago.

[Brad from Georgia] No, ma'am.

[Laura Leff] Stop it or I'll turn this chat room around RIGHT NOW.

[Maxwell] Tell Steve to put on his shoes!

[Brad from Georgia]  

[Steve -shimp-] Good idea.

[Maxwell] Are we there yet?

[Laura Leff]  

[Laura Leff] Doggone it...I can't see my screen...

[Laura Leff] So anyway...

[Maxwell] Let's see...Prison of the Future....

[Laura Leff] I'm just not a big fan of that script.

[Maxwell] I think it kind of fell flat.

[Brad from Georgia] This would have been about the time Rooney was starring in "Babyface Nelson," I guess.

[Laura Leff] And I don't think there's a lot of synergy between Jack and Mickey Rooney.

[Maxwell] I felt the same way about him and Kovacs, too.

[Laura Leff] *Confession time* I've wanted to see the Kovacs show, and I know I have it, but I haven't yet.

[Brad from Georgia] Odd, because Jack loved surreal "picture" jokes on the radio.

[Laura Leff] I'd think they could be great together.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, like I said on the Forum, I think that Kovacs was to TV what Jack was to radio.

[Maxwell] Brad The problem was this was in the '50s on Jack's show.

[Maxwell] So none of that Kovacs visual stuff, which really took off in the early '60s with video tape.

[Laura Leff] Maybe Jack in a monkey suit and a derby playing the violin just doesn't work, huh?

[Maxwell] LL, I wish they'd DONE that!

[Brad from Georgia] I see. Kovacs wasn't great as an actor; he had very low energy, oddly enough, when in a regular movie role.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Actually, I can see that happening.

[Laura Leff] But wasn't he also on What's My Line for a while?

[Brad from Georgia] He was unquestionably witty.

[Laura Leff] Or one of the game shows?

[Maxwell] LL Yeah, I just saw him in a YouTube clip on What's My Line.

[Brad from Georgia] I think it was either "What's My Line" or "I've Got a Secret."

[Brad from Georgia] Or maybe both, who knows.

[Maxwell] With celebrity guest Julie London.

[Laura Leff] Maybe Kovacs the performer has more in common with Fred Allen...

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Another one easy to be fixated upon...

[Maxwell] Kovacs was best as a character.

[Maxwell] Julie London is living proof that Jack Webb was an idiot.

[Brad from Georgia] Kovacs was wonderful in set-ups where he had to react in mute befuddlement.

[Laura Leff] Rochester going to pour Jack a glass of milk, and the milk goes past the glass and down the table...

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sounds a lot like Jack.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Were they married?

[Maxwell] LL Put them together and the sparks don't fly.

[Maxwell] Yeah.

[Laura Leff] Gee. That's a shame.

[Laura Leff] I guess I haven't been missing much.

[Maxwell] Before she was married to Bobby Troup.

[Laura Leff] Or Bobby Short.

[Brad from Georgia] I learned the German words to "Mack the Knife" from Kovacs, but of course I've forgotten most of them now. I do remember "Mackie Messer" and something like "raum den Ecke."

[Maxwell] I guess the London-Webb split up was amicable enough, though. Webb's company produced Emergency.

[Maxwell] And both she and Troup were stars.

[Laura Leff] On the topic of Jack Webb and Julie London...there's a bit on Kraft Music Hall where Al Jolson and Humphrey Bogart are talking about how they got such young, beautiful wives.

[Laura Leff] Jolson says, "I lied about my age."

[Laura Leff] Bogie says, "I lied about my face."

[Brad from Georgia] Und der Haifisch der hat Zahne und die tragt ihm in Gesicht.....

[Laura Leff] Hey, that's pretty good!

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Good line. I can hear Bogie saying that.

[Maxwell] I hear him saying that in my head right now...both of them in fact.

[Maxwell] I've always wondered if I'm related to Humphrey Bogart.

[Laura Leff] You know, just since it's "just us"...something that struck me funny yesterday and I'm curious as to your thoughts

[Laura Leff] Since we've run the gamut from Al Jolson to Amy Winehouse here...

[Maxwell] My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Vandebogart, and part of the family shortened it to Bogart.

[Brad from Georgia] I got to play "Bogie" in a "Guy Noir" sketch with Garrison Keillor's cast. My best line: Guy Noir: Bogie, why do you talk like that, and what's wrong with your lip? Bogie: It was a Botox treatment dat....went bad.....

[Laura Leff] I got a hit on my Google agent (which I'd forgotten) for "Jack Benny 39 cent stamp"

[Laura Leff] Brad - Was it actually on the show, or travelling stage?

[Steve -shimp-]  

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Not on the broadcast, no, but in an acting class that the group was teaching. I'm in a radio theater, you know.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Ah, got it.

[Steve -shimp-] Anyway the google story?

[Laura Leff] So I bring up this news column, which was some sort of columnist somewhere in the heartland

[Laura Leff] Who apparently had published a column about the "good ol days" (firsthand rememberance)

[Laura Leff] and got a note from someone telling him to "get over it, that's history".

[Maxwell] Sheesh!

[Maxwell] You know what's scary? Nowadays the good old days are the '50s.

[Laura Leff] So he takes off on one of the most intense tirades of what I call "old fogeyism" that I've ever seen...

[Laura Leff] Going on about how things were better when people got married before they lived together

[Laura Leff] and so on so on so on (you can probably fill it in)

[Steve -shimp-] Sorta like Andy Rooney   ?

[Maxwell] Andy Rooney on steroids.

[Maxwell] AND HGH

[Laura Leff] Well, I like Rooney's stuff from the 70s and 80s...

[Brad from Georgia] Who did you think I was in this uniform....Randy Ooney?

[Laura Leff] Don't know as much what he's doing these days.

[Steve -shimp-] With a little red bull thrown in!

[Maxwell] LL Back before he turned into Grampa Simpson.

[Steve -shimp-] Ah, I've got nothing against Andy Rooney much. He is kinda "You kids get off my lawn!" though.

[Laura Leff] So what's your take on the whole "everything's terrible now, it was better back when..." attitude?

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, wish my daughter luck-she's doing an audition DVD for a stage version of "Emmet Otter's Jug Band Christmas" tomorrow.

[Laura Leff] Good luck to her!

[Steve -shimp-] Everything WAS better back in the day, if you have selective memory.

[Brad from Georgia] I think the old fogies today aren't a patch on the old fogeys we had in my day.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Hey, that's a really good answer.

[Brad from Georgia] We even spelled 'em different.

[Maxwell] Back in the good old days, I could buy a T-bone steak for less than a buck.

[Maxwell] Of course, I was making $8100 a year at the time.

[Laura Leff] Back in my day, we didn't HAVE Strom Thurmond. Oh wait...yes we did.

[Steve -shimp-] Yeah, pretty much!

[Brad from Georgia] By nab, we didn't have nothin' to eat but gravel and wormy apples, but we wuz happy. Ye could go to the moom picher show with a quarter, see ths show, have popcorn and a big orange drink, and with the change ye could by a used car. Studebaker, but even so

[Laura Leff] I was joking with Dan that I should write a parody of such things...something like

[Maxwell] I have to say one thing. Music was better back in the day.

[Laura Leff] "Things were better back when there was no silly talk of things like women's rights. Women were born to raise the family and take care of the home, that that's all they ever wanted to do...

[Laura Leff] And a good smack in the mouth would keep 'em in line."

[Brad from Georgia] My daughter has to operate "a furry puppet" and sing a song that's "upbeat and borderline country." She's got a bear puppet and is doing "Big Rock Candy Mountain."

[Maxwell] Here's something inoccuous but it says a lot about the good old days....

[Brad from Georgia] I said I'd come, stick my hand under a pile of fake fur with tread marks painted on it and sing "On the Road Again."

[Laura Leff] Brad - Ooo...I can feel my blood glucose going up as we speak...

[Laura Leff] Yeah, I prefer music from back in the day, too.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I like yours better.

[Maxwell] A few years ago GSN was running b&w episodes of Password from the late '60s. Contestants are being introduced, man and woman. Alan Ludden says to the woman, "What does your husbans do?"

[Brad from Georgia] I actually prefer music from the forties and fifties.

[Laura Leff] Maybe you can crank a pencil sharpener and whistle "Sentimental Journey"

[Maxwell] Now, can you imagine that being the first question you'd ask a woman nowadays?

[Steve -shimp-] I can imagine that being the LAST question I'd ask most women these days.

[Brad from Georgia] I have a Pandora radio station that's a Bing Crosby specialty. Though it often has other singers, too, including Dennis Day from time to time.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Well, once I was building shelves in the garage and just finished a cut with my circular saw

[Laura Leff] And our neighbor came by and said, "So...looks like Dan's building something!"

[Maxwell] Music for me: 1899 (Scott Joplin) to about 1970 or so (breakup of the Beatles).

[Laura Leff] Dip%&*#

[Brad from Georgia] www.pandora.com

[Maxwell] LL Unreal!

[Laura Leff] Interesting...hadn't heard of Pandora

[Maxwell] A good place for music from 1900-1935 or thereabouts: www.dismuke.org

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I don't remember what I said in response...probably something like, "No, *I'm* building some shelves."

[Brad from Georgia] It's free--you set up a station with a specific song or artist, and then if it plays songs you don't like, you hit the "NOW CUT THAT OUT" button, or if you like it, you hit the "Great, Kid" button and it hones in on your taste.

[Maxwell] I hear stuff nowadays about how teachers tend to favor boys over girls in science classes....

[Maxwell] Hell, my best students have always been about an equal number of each.

[Laura Leff] Gee...did they get inspired by Jack?

[Maxwell] So why would I favor one over the other?

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Well, those aren't the real buttons.....

[Brad from Georgia] But that's the idea.

[Laura Leff] Maybe because boys' performance in math and science is slipping over the years, and girls are catching up?

[Laura Leff] Brad - OIC

[Maxwell] Could be to some extent...I'd say that in the top half or so, more are girls than in the past.

[Maxwell] By that I mean over half.

[Brad from Georgia] You know what I could go for right now? A nice Vidalia onion sandwich. I have allergies, and that would hit the spot.

[Laura Leff] Just one additional comment about "back in my day" diatribes...

[Maxwell] How about just chewing on a jalapeno?

[Laura Leff] Brad - You're in the right neighborhood to find one.

[Maxwell] That should clear 'em out.

[Brad from Georgia] Now the girls these days, they don't know how to make an onion sandwich. Back in my day a gal would make you an onion sandwich, clean your house, have your baby, and never bother you agin, dagnabbit....

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[Steve -shimp-]  

[Brad from Georgia] Oops, I have to clean up the act now.

[Maxwell] Hey Kay! FINALLY!

[Steve -shimp-] Hiya Kay

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Kay!

[Laura Leff] I think the thing that bothers me the most is that because they're written by people who came from "back in the day", they often have a tendency to write stuff that's outrageously racist or sexist and ends up being really offensive...

[Laura Leff] Hi Kay!

[KayLhota] Hi Brad, Steve, Maxwell, Laura

[Maxwell] LL and then say they're rebelling against political correctness.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Exactly. You've got it.

[KayLhota] I have family visiting, so we were with them. Unavoidable.

[Brad from Georgia] It's like one of those incredibly crude and unfunny episodes of "Family Guy": "Hey, aren't we iconoclastic?"

[Laura Leff] You leave Frank to keep them entertained?

[Maxwell] Kay, you should just give them the brushoff. That's what I do!

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--I didn't mean your family.....

[Steve -shimp-] OK, well, from personal experience - I just came back from research and excavation in a WWII Japanese-American internment camp. How's that for "Things were better back in the day"?

[KayLhota] no, he had to take care of all the other stuff we left when we went out

[Brad from Georgia] Steve: Wow! George Takei has some very touching and heartbreaking stories about his and his family's experiences in one of the camps and afterward.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, I think I've heard him talk a little about that...

[KayLhota] I read "Farewell to Manzanar" a book written by a girl that was interred

[Steve -shimp-] Yes, it was a pretty amazing experience. Got to meet a lot of folks who were interned there, one awesome gentleman helped us with the excavation.

[Maxwell] Things always look better in the past because you tend to forget the bad things.

[Brad from Georgia] I tried once to get him to collaborate with me on a book for kids about the camp, but he saved it for his autobiography.

[Laura Leff] That's very cool.

[Maxwell] However, I do think script writing was better in the past.

[Laura Leff] Did you find anything interesting in the excavation?

[Steve -shimp-] George Takei was supposed to come down, he was at a nearby conference but didn't make it.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Comedy in general was much more of an art form, with rules just like music.

[Laura Leff] Jack's writers knew the rules...were masters of them.

[Steve -shimp-] Yes, not to get too off topic, but some very cool stuff - I was focused on gardening activities, 'cause that's my research area.

[Brad from Georgia] Situation comedy writing that's just an exchange of zingers sort of ruined the form.

[Laura Leff] It was a place where people were housed during the war?

[Laura Leff] Brad - I blame the catch phrases of the late 70s sitcoms.

[Steve -shimp-] Yes, 'forcibly housed'...

[Laura Leff] Right. Wanted to say "interred", but that would mean they were dead.

[Maxwell] I blame Fonzie jumping the shark.

[Maxwell] InterNed.

[Steve -shimp-] Yeah, we've had some confusion with the "interred"/"interned" thing...!

[KayLhota] oh, I am guilty of that

[KayLhota] I did say the wrong word

[Laura Leff] I almost said "interned", but then it sounds like they're students.

[Brad from Georgia] Not many people know that very early in the war an effort to round up and intern Italian-Americans began, but it was countermanded by Roosevelt. The Japanese, on the other hand, "looked different."

[Brad from Georgia] So they had to suffer in the camps.

[Laura Leff] And not one of them was ever found to have anything to do with support of "the enemy".

[Maxwell] It's always easier to dehumanize somebody who looks different.

[Steve -shimp-] There were different camps under different authorities. Some Italian- and German- Americans were interned, but because they were 'suspected' of something.

[Steve -shimp-] The Japanese-Americans were the only group for whom it was purely racial.

[Maxwell] Yeah, the Germans had the Bund thing going on before the war.

[KayLhota] The book that I read said that the Manzanar jazz band refused to play the popular song," Don't Fence Me In"

[Laura Leff] There's a great scene in "Europa Europa" where a Jewish boy who's masquerading as a Gentile is stood up in front of the class as a "superior example of the Aryan race".

[Maxwell] So some of them actually did present a fifth-column threat.

[Laura Leff] WWII Gitmo

[Brad from Georgia] And Lucky Luciano cooperated with the FBI to help track down German saboteurs and was released from prison after the war because of that.

[Steve -shimp-] Oh, wow, I remember that scene LL. Forgot I'd even seen the movie!

[Laura Leff] Kay - Wow!

[Laura Leff] Fifth-colum threat?

[Laura Leff] Steve - It's worth a rewatch!

[KayLhota] "Farewell to Manzanar" was made into a TV movie some years ago as well

[Maxwell] Yeah, some of the people running the Bund were actually in favor of the overthrow of the government.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Where was this jazz band? The name isn't familiar.

[Laura Leff] Gunhild Carling

[Steve -shimp-] Manzanar was an internment camp.

[KayLhota] they were the band at the Japanese camp, Manzanar

[Brad from Georgia] Luciano helped (through his contacts with the Union dockworkers) the FBI track down the German saboteurs who destroyed a ship (the same event that Hitchcock based "Saboteur" on).

[Laura Leff] Aha...thanks for the context.

[KayLhota] sorry, Laura. Talking in a clump this way can sometimes be confusing.

[Brad from Georgia] "Chatroom clumping"

[Laura Leff] Kay - No problem...I figured I'd get it in context and then couldn't.

[Laura Leff] It's a more serious talk than usual, but quite fascinating.

[Steve -shimp-] Do we prefer the clumping or non-clumping chat room?

[KayLhota] well, is everybody looking forward to seeing "Hollywood Revue of 1929" on TCM tomorrow morning?

[Laura Leff] Do we have a choice?

[Laura Leff] I don't have TCM.   

[Maxwell] I don't know if I can manage to get up that early.

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, yes! I forgot about that. Thanks, Kay! I'll record it.

[Steve -shimp-] Hey, if kitty litter can come in both styles..

[Brad from Georgia] Wonder if the color scenes will be intact?

[Laura Leff] I guess I can always watch it from the video library...

[KayLhota] They have been since the 1990's.

[KayLhota] Turner did a nice restoration of the film.

[Laura Leff] Too bad they're not for Chasing Rainbows

[Maxwell] Anybody catch the Chaplin movies yesterday?

[KayLhota] I understand that the end no longer exists for "Chasing Rainbows"


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[Laura Leff] Supposedly not.

[Steve -shimp-] No TCM/cable for me either...

[Laura Leff] Hi Ed!

[Maxwell] Hi Ed

[Steve -shimp-] Hi Ed

[Brad from Georgia] At the Oliver Hardy museum, they told me that Hardy thought Jack Benny was "A perfect gentleman, very considerate and encouraging to other actors."

[Laura Leff] It was supposed to be a color musical number, but I think it's "lost".

[KayLhota] I saw that film for the first time in 1984 at a film series. The film ended with the plot unresolved-- midsentence!

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's great!

[ed kienzler] hi guys had to work just wanted to check out this month's chat

[Laura Leff] Kay - I don't think it's that bad...been a while since I've seen it.

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, ed!

[KayLhota] There are two color musical numbers in the midde that are lost, and the end of the film was also in color-- and lost

[ed kienzler] thanx brad

[Brad from Georgia] I'm four steps behind tonight.

[Laura Leff] Of course, I happen to have the video library hard drive right here...

[KayLhota] I enjoyed the movie

[Brad from Georgia] Maybe they could splice in those extra scenes from "Metropolis" that turned up in Argentina instead...

[KayLhota] I haven't had the chance to see it in over a decade

[Brad from Georgia] Just dub some music in....

[Laura Leff] Too bad it's not like "A Plantation Act" with Jolson...

[Laura Leff] Where the audience could sing with it to provide the music (before they found the disc)

[KayLhota] you always keep hoping that film footage will turn up. Just like radio discs of lost shows.

[Laura Leff] Checking Chasing Rainbows...

[Brad from Georgia] The Atlanta Radio Theater is doing a script called "Doom of the Mummy." The author told me "I need am arcane-sounding chant to bring the mummy to life." I dropped to one knee and sang, "I'd walk a million miles for one o' your smiles, my Mu-ummy!"

[Brad from Georgia] He didn't take it.

[KayLhota] Oh no, Brad!

[KayLhota] That was funny!

[Brad from Georgia] Not to him....

[ed kienzler] what no imagination brad!!!

[KayLhota] well, I hope he got his arcane sounding chant.

[ed kienzler] he should have used it

[Brad from Georgia] That's my curse as an actor. I'll tell the director, "We could get a great laugh here--" and he cuts me off with, "It's Hamlet, Brad!"

[ed kienzler] ouch

[KayLhota] oh, Brad! Love it!

[Brad from Georgia] Hamlet has hand puppets and has them do the "To b or not to be speech." A gasser!

[KayLhota] oh my!

[Laura Leff] The copy I have ends with Bessie Love shooing Charles King out onto the stage.

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[Brad from Georgia] be, I mean

[Brad from Georgia] We had a power flicker. Wonder if there's a storm somewhere?

[Laura Leff] It doesn't completely resolve the plot, but you get the sense that the show will go on.

[Laura Leff] Brad - The birds are really big out your way, huh?

[Maxwell] And Charles Kind sings, "Bye, Bye Love!"

[KayLhota] yes, Laura. Just as they are telling him that his wife has walked out of the show, leaving them without their leading lady

[Maxwell] Lomg

[Maxwell] King

[Maxwell] Stupid home keys.

[Brad from Georgia] Evidently. I do intend to try out for a small part in "Romeo and Juliet" when we do that next spring.

[Laura Leff] Right...Jack says he'll make a curtain speech that their leading lady broke her leg, and they had to shoot her.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Wait till you see the cover photo of the next issue.

[KayLhota] Oh, I need to see "Chasing Rainbows" again

[Brad from Georgia] Laura--can't wait!

[Laura Leff] It's a great movie of transition between the greats of silent film (e.g., Marie Dressler) into the future of comedy...

[Brad from Georgia] You know, sooner or later they'll be able to recreate actors convincingly with CGI, and then they can fill in those missing scenes.

[KayLhota] I have a great love of those early talkie musicals

[KayLhota] In fact, I take and give a lot of teasing about them with a friend of mine.

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie Carroll said "The Drowsy Chaperone" wonderfully evokes those old musicals--haven't seen it myself, though.

[Maxwell] Kay Same here, at least once the camera became mobile again.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, he mentioned that to me as well. I think it's playing locally now.

[KayLhota] That helped a great deal, Maxwell.

[Laura Leff] I've got a great photo...will likely be a cover photo some day, or at least a caption contest

[KayLhota] A friend of mine saw it on Broadway and loved it

[Maxwell] Yeah, a static camera in a booth is deadly in a musical.

[Maxwell] Or any other MOVIE for that matter.

[Laura Leff] of Charles King and Jack giving Bessie Love (IIRC) a boost up to an overhead mike.

[KayLhota] aww, cute!

[KayLhota] She was so little.

[Laura Leff] They've got their arms around her ankle or something, and she's up in the air

[Brad from Georgia] What was the crime movie where everyone talked into the bouquet on the table? "I want you to Take Him for a Ride." "You mean you want us to...Rub Him Out?"

[Maxwell] Lights of New York.

[KayLhota] "Lights of New York"

[Laura Leff] I like that movie, but we get so little call for it frmo the video library.

[Brad from Georgia] Nailed it, Max and Kay!

Maxwell knows big bands and old WB movies.

[Laura Leff] I'm still waiting to see "Madame Zombie"

[Laura Leff] Someone was supposed to send me a copy and never did.

[KayLhota] "Madame Zombie?"

[Laura Leff] I think it's a music that takes place on a dirigible

[KayLhota] Madame Satan!

[KayLhota] I have that!

[Laura Leff] It's been a while since they told me about it

[Laura Leff] OK...close.

[KayLhota] Cecil B. DeMille Directed it at MGM

[Laura Leff] Thanks for the correction! Yeah...that's it...

[KayLhota] Oh sure!

[Laura Leff] Like circa 1927

[Brad from Georgia] She's my Zombie Momma, Straight from Yokohama, She may lurch to starboard, But in her my heart is harbored...."

[KayLhota] Actually 1930

[Laura Leff] OK, knew it was early.

[Maxwell] MGM didn't make any talkies until '29.

[Brad from Georgia] Big second-act finish song.

[Laura Leff] Silent musicals just never hit it big.

[Steve -shimp-]  

[KayLhota] Lillian Roth is the bad girl, stealing the husband from the good girl wife

[Maxwell] Madam Satan, it's you I'm hatin'....

[Laura Leff] Pre-code

[Brad from Georgia] Well, Simon and Garfunkel weren't around to write the sounds of silents, LL.

[KayLhota] yes, very!

[Laura Leff] Brad -  

[KayLhota] So the good wife goes to the costume party on the dirigible dressed up as Madame Satan

[ed kienzler] i picked up a JB 10 show DVD for $9.99 and found that the most funniest person on the showother than jack was Benny Rubin

[Laura Leff] Ed - Benny Rubin was very talented! Unsung supporting, like Joe Kearns.

[Maxwell] About whom my dad would always say when he appeared on a show: "Benny Rubin!"

[Brad from Georgia] Benny Rubin was great.

[ed kienzler] true LL

[Laura Leff] As opposed to his brother, Billy Rubin...

[Maxwell] So I guess my dad liked him.

[Laura Leff] (a joke which only chemists will get)

[ed kienzler] LL bad

[Maxwell] That was HORRIBLE!

[Brad from Georgia] Or those who have seen "Silence of the Lambs," LL.

[Laura Leff] Wow...you did get it

Maxwell teaches chemistry.

[Laura Leff] Actually, the Billy Rubin is only in the book.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - LOL...didn't even remember that!

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Really? I haven't read the book, but I remember the line.

[ed kienzler] it was put out in 2007 by timeless mediagroup

[Steve -shimp-] What was the Benny Rubin bit that struck you Ed?

Laura Leff knows "Silence of the Lambs" a little too well

[Laura Leff] Ed - Was it one of the "I dunno" bits?

Maxwell was about to answer for Ed: "I dunno."

[Laura Leff] That was usually done by Rubin or Joe Besser.

[ed kienzler] where he was the info person at the train station where jack wins a turkey

[Laura Leff] Yeah, that's it.

[ed kienzler] he says that the his condition is caused by some thing in the brain but cant explain it

[Laura Leff] If you can find a copy of his book, 'Come Backstage with Me", get it.

[Brad from Georgia] Aw, the TV just announced that Skip Caray, the "Voice of the Braves," has died.

[ed kienzler] sucks

[Laura Leff] Oh my...son of Harry Caray, I think.

[Maxwell] LL Correct.

[Maxwell] And father of Chip Caray.

[Brad from Georgia] I dimly remember Benny Rubin playing "Flat Top" in the old "Dick Tracy" TV show.

[ed kienzler] boy that 's bad

[Laura Leff] That's too bad. I remember hearing him a lot during the early days of cable when only Braves games and boring movies on SPN and religious shows were on overnight.

[Brad from Georgia] They just ran a clip from Skip: "Don't worry about me. I'm ready if I go tonight. I've had a great life, I've had my money's worth."

[Laura Leff] To be fair: "boring movies" = movies so badly degraded that what you could see you coudln't hear, and vice versa.

[Brad from Georgia] He died peacefully in his sleep.

[Laura Leff] So he knew he was sick. What did he die of?

[Maxwell] Brad I'm firmly convinced that's the best way to go.

[Brad from Georgia] I believe it was pancreatic cancer.

[KayLhota] aww

[Laura Leff] Not like the rest of the people screaming in his car...

[Maxwell] That's rough. My grandfather died from that.

[Brad from Georgia] So did Jack Benny.

[ed kienzler] there are some comedians who would do great skip caray imititations on bob and tom cant remember who though

[Laura Leff] I thought they could treat it now..

[KayLhota] yes, I was thinking that, Brad

[Maxwell] Laura I'm not sure, but like most cancers, if it's not caught early, it'll get you.

[Laura Leff] yeah, that's true.

[ed kienzler] right

[Laura Leff] At least it wasn't a surprise.

[Maxwell] My brother died of colon cancer last month. By the time they found the tumor it was the size of a man's fist.

[Laura Leff] Gosh Maxwell, I'm sorry.

[ed kienzler] harry died 10 years ago i beleive

[Maxwell] No helping him after that.

[Steve -shimp-] Oh my, my condolences Max.

[Brad from Georgia] Skip announced a game just a few days ago. They had a clip. His voice was weak, but he was animated.

[Maxwell] Thanks.

[ed kienzler] sorry max

[Brad from Georgia] Condolences, Max.

[Maxwell] Thanks to everybody...the good news...it saved MY life. He found out about it in September. I went into the hospital for a problem in October, and a surgeon asked if I'd had a colonoscopy....

[Laura Leff] My mother (many years ago) died very unexpectedly right before my wedding. So if there's a bright spot for the others, it's that they got a chance to say goodbye.

[Maxwell] I hadn't...ever...so she told me I should, and I jumped at the opportunity. They found two polyps. One had cancer cells.

[ed kienzler] but it still hurts...

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Congratulations on catching it early. We want you around with us for a long time!

[Steve -shimp-] Most definitely.

[Maxwell] I plan to be.

[ed kienzler] YES!!!

[Laura Leff] Amen!

[Laura Leff] Well, at this unusual juncture, should we call it good for this month?

[Maxwell] Yeah, I've succeeded in depressing everybody!

[Laura Leff] Or is there anything else Benny-wise on folks minds?

[ed kienzler] yes and good health to all...from rexall!!!

[Steve -shimp-] OK, sounds good to me.

[KayLhota] I do have something old radi wise

[KayLhota] radio wise

[Maxwell] I can't even say Gunhild Carling this month!

[Laura Leff] No, it's an up note that Maxwell will be with us for a long time!

[ed kienzler] go kay

[KayLhota] I have been researching the inevitable

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - But I can

[Maxwell] LL, that depends on your point of view!

[Laura Leff] Kay - Go for it

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - It's good in my book.

[Maxwell] Danke schoen.

[KayLhota] and in doing so I discovered that the Orson Welles program "Your Radio Almanac" only broadcast on the West Coast

[KayLhota] I didn't know that, and I am finding that odd, since it was a comedy variety program

[Brad from Georgia] I've got to set the clock so I can recrord the movie at six tomorrow morning. Good night, all!

[KayLhota] that seemed meant to find a broader audience

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[Laura Leff] Good night, Brad!

[Laura Leff] Kay - Was it a full network show? Or sustaining?

[Laura Leff] I don't know much about it.

[KayLhota] it was on CBS and sponsored by Mobil

[ed kienzler] wasn't welles mostly a new york actor vey little hollywood

[KayLhota] I had heard a couple of shows from OTRCAT

[Laura Leff] Do you know what CBS broadcast in the slot for the East Coast?

[KayLhota] but I found most of them at Archive.org

[KayLhota] I read it but I've forgotten. I think it was a musical program

[Laura Leff] Not surprised

[Laura Leff] What are the years it was done?

[KayLhota] There is an episode where Orson Welles sends up his just completed Suspense program "Donovan's Brain"

[KayLhota] it was done from Jan to July of 1944

[Laura Leff] Hm

[Steve -shimp-] Sounds like one to check out.

[KayLhota] the series is the oddest collection of comedy, music, and jazz

[KayLhota] I recommend it for it's strangness alone!

[Laura Leff] Maybe Mobil wasn't looking to advertise as much during the era of "Was this trip necessary?"

[Maxwell] Welles was a huge jazz fan.

[KayLhota] Like hearing Agnes Moorehead play Orson's swooning bobby soxer fan girl.

[Maxwell] I think The Whistler was another show like that. Broadcast on the west coast only.

[Laura Leff] What did it replace in the middle of the season like that?

[KayLhota] Laura, I'll have to check that out as well.

[Laura Leff] Fascinating!

[Laura Leff] Um...just wondering...

[KayLhota] The evening had shows like Dr. Christian and Songs by Sinatra

[Laura Leff] I think Mobil was a national brand, wasn't it?

[ed kienzler] yes

[KayLhota] yes it was

[Laura Leff] Just wondering if they were only selling West Coast that they wouldn't care about marketing to the East

[Laura Leff] But the flying horse was everywhere

[ed kienzler] "clean detergent gasoline"

[Maxwell] Yeah...Mobil was Standard Oil of NJ.

[Laura Leff] I think Shell is still selling that bit

[Maxwell] OOPS...NY.

[KayLhota] the thing that fascinated me was that Orson had had so much fun with the Jack Benny show

[Maxwell] SOCONY.

[KayLhota] that he wanted to try doing more comedy on radio

[Laura Leff] Wouldn't be surprised if the two were connected...

[Laura Leff] Have to bow to a Welles researcher on that one.

[ed kienzler] good comments kay!!!

[Laura Leff] yes, thanks for turning us on to that!

[KayLhota] Welles researchers tend to concentrate on the movies and they forget his passion for radio

[Maxwell] I want to hear what you find out.

[Steve -shimp-] OK folks, I need to call it a night. Great chatting with you all. Till next month!

[Laura Leff] Have a good one, Steve!

[Maxwell] Good night Steve!

[ed kienzler] bye steve

[KayLhota] see you Steve

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[Maxwell] And Gunhild Carling to you all!

[Laura Leff] Anything else, or are we closed to September?

[KayLhota] goodnight Max

[KayLhota] what are we doing for September?

[Laura Leff] Be well, Max!

[Laura Leff] Oh yeah...any requests?

[ed kienzler] good night max stay well please

[KayLhota] The Cairo Egypt show?

[Maxwell] Thanks...Night all.

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[ed kienzler] bye max

[Laura Leff] Didn't we do Cairo?

[KayLhota] oops

[KayLhota] probably

[Laura Leff] Maybe not...thought we did...

[KayLhota] I thought of it because it was September

[KayLhota] and not part of his regular season

[Laura Leff] Right

[Laura Leff] Well, I'll try to pull something interesting.

[KayLhota] I know that we can always count on you for that!

[Laura Leff] Maybe off the wall.

[Laura Leff] Thank you.   

[Laura Leff] OK, take care and see you in September!

[KayLhota] see you

[ed kienzler] thanx LL see you then