IJBFC Chat - May 4, 2008

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[Maxwell] As opposed to Luckey Roberts....

[Laura Leff] Hello again folks

[Michael] Hi there Laura

[Maxwell] Hi Laura!

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, LL!

[Dennis DeMarco] hi laura

[Laura Leff] How's everyone doing tonight?

[Maxwell] Good. You?

[Brad from Georgia] Well, thanks!

[Michael] doing great

[ed] ok!!!

[Laura Leff] Hi Dennis...is this your first time here?

[Dennis DeMarco] enjoying Spring

[Brad from Georgia] How's the shoulder, LL?

User yhtapmys has entered this room.

[Dennis DeMarco] yes, it ia

[Maxwell] Hey yht

[yhtapmys] Hi again, all.

[Michael] Hi yht

[Laura Leff] Shoulder is better, although someone decided to rear end me a couple weeks ago

[ed] hi yht

[Michael] nothing serious I hop

[Laura Leff] Basically I'm just trying to resolve a numb index finger on my right hand.

[yhtapmys] Lord, Laura you've having no luck.

[Maxwell] You okay?

[Michael] hope even

[Brad from Georgia] Hiya, yht! I've been listening to shows featuring Symmmmmmmpathy Soothing Syrup ads. How are you, LL?

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Well, welcome in. Know you've been a member for a long time!

[Brad from Georgia] Now sing, Dennis....

[Dennis DeMarco] ivery, very long time

[Laura Leff] It could have been a lot worse. I'm OK...life's still pretty good.

[Dennis DeMarco] you don't want to hear me sing

[Maxwell] LL Beats the alternative.

[yhtapmys] Brad, you got to love those Sportsmen on those.

[Michael] true Max

[Dennis DeMarco] it ain't pretty

[Laura Leff] Michael - Are you a first timer as well?

[Brad from Georgia] Glad you're OK, Laura.

[Michael] No

[ed] since the last chat in april I,being a twin myself (Billy), would like to announce the births of

[Laura Leff] Brad - Me too

[ed] 13 and 14 th neices

[Michael] it's just this is the first time in a Long while I've been able to be here

[Laura Leff] Michael - OK...couldn't remember if we'd seen you, or maybe you'd been under another name.

[Laura Leff] Ed - Mazel tov!

[Dennis DeMarco] wow, congrats

[Maxwell] ed Congratulations!

[Michael] from me too

[ed] twin girls josie and jordan THANX!!!

[yhtapmys] Ed, I hope they let you out of the vault to see them.   

[Laura Leff] So since the show for this month was a request...what did folks think?

[Brad from Georgia] Hey, the local PBS station is showing the Best of Benny! Last night they had the Lawrence Welk show (Jack plugging his song "When You Say I Beg Your Pardon") and one featuring Frankie Avalon.

[ed] oh you bet

[Dennis DeMarco] jack spoke awfully fast

[Michael] I like the telegram from kenny

[Michael] (especially as I'm from St louis)

[Laura Leff] Brad - Lawrence Welk with the Jack Benny Fan Club

[Maxwell] I love it whenever Jack and Fred are together.

[Dennis DeMarco] fred was great

[Laura Leff] And this was the first direct exchange of the feud

[Brad from Georgia] My only complaint: Fred Allen adlibbed so much I couldn't understand a third of his lines.

[Maxwell] Brad To me that's what made it funny.

[Michael] personally I think FA is at his best when he's ad libbing

[Dennis DeMarco] i loved when mary sang

[Laura Leff] Michael - Agreed

[Maxwell] Dennis BINGO!

[Brad from Georgia] "Whatever we say by accident is bound to be better than the script."

[Laura Leff] And Bill Morrow ended up writing for Allen later.

[Brad from Georgia] How about Fred's singing--"Ja-wacky"!

[Michael] and I loved it when they both started hamming their "Western" accents

[Laura Leff] I think Fred Allen could only manage West Boston...

[Dennis DeMarco] GSN should start running the Fred Allen "what's my lines" soon

[Maxwell] I think it's interesting that it appeared that that show was supposed to end the feud. It's a good thing somebody had the good sense to see that was a bad idea.

[Dennis DeMarco] probably in a month or so

[Laura Leff] Just a thought...everyone knows the story about Groucho being (or not) on Jack's radio show, right?

[ed] the lawrence welk they on here in springfield illinois last night was from 1958 but i had seen the JB episode

[Brad from Georgia] Don't you think Kenny Baker was funnier than usual on this show?

[Maxwell] Right.

[Laura Leff] I'll tie this in with Fred Allen in a minute.

[yhtapmys] No, Laura.

[Michael] when was groucho ever on Jack's show?

[Dennis DeMarco] don't know LL

[ed] yes\

[Laura Leff] OK, mixed bag...how about someone who knows the story of Groucho tell it instead of me?

[ed] with danny kaye george burns and frank sinatra

[yhtapmys] Is sea bass involved?

[Laura Leff] Ed - No, before that.

[ed] oh

[Laura Leff] Ed - When he was supposed to be on the show and then was cut.

[Dennis DeMarco] ouch!

[ed] ah

[Laura Leff] Well, in a nutshell...

[Brad from Georgia] Don't know that one.

[Laura Leff] Groucho ripped the script apart, and Jack said, basically,

[Laura Leff] "If you disrespect my writers that badly, we don't need him."

[Laura Leff] So later Groucho asked Jack why he was never on his show

[Laura Leff] and Jack told him.

[Laura Leff] So Groucho came on a show and did the script exactly as written.

[Laura Leff] It's Jack and Groucho playing checkers.

[Laura Leff] And IMO, it's really, really flat for being two such comic legends.

[Brad from Georgia] In the California rain....

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's right.

[Laura Leff] So someone finally figured out (there's a story there as well, but not Jack-related)

[Brad from Georgia] Well, Grouch wasn't very funny on his OWN sow.

[Laura Leff] that Groucho is best ad-libbing.

[Laura Leff] And they created You Bet Your Life.

[Laura Leff] So my point being...Fred Allen is also best ad-libbing.

[Brad from Georgia] Which was a vast improvement over his beer-sponsored radio show.

[Dennis DeMarco] Maybe that's why GM disparages JB at Carnegie Hall in the 70s

[Laura Leff] And he was good on What's My Line.

[Dennis DeMarco] Wonderful on WML.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - No, I think that was for laughs. Groucho had very nice things to say about Jack personally, and that was very unusual for Groucho.

[Dennis DeMarco] FA was on till he passed away

[Dennis DeMarco] ow, had no idea!

[Laura Leff] So why is FA so good on Jack's show and Groucho not so?

[Brad from Georgia] Fred died on St. Patrick's day, if I recall correctly.

[Maxwell] My only regret is that I was too young to stay up and watch Fred on WML. I had to be in bed by 9:00.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yup.

[Laura Leff] Sorry if I took everyone on a very extended trip to pose that question...

[Dennis DeMarco] The W

[Michael] I just wish I had been around to have seen or better yet heard him

[Brad from Georgia] I think Jack felt more warmth toward Fred; Groucho, by all accounts, was a difficult man to befriend.

[Dennis DeMarco] I would have loved to see Fred live

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's a very good point.

[ed] i have a wml with fred and desi arnaz about a month before he died

[Michael] that's what I've always heard Brad

[Maxwell] Groucho got his nickname for a reason.

[Dennis DeMarco] The wml after Fred died was quite moving

[Laura Leff] Has everyone seen the TV show with Jack, FA, and Eddie Cantor?

[yhtapmys] Yes

[Maxwell] Dennis I've seen it, and you're right.

[Michael] yes!!!

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Really? Haven't seen it.

[Michael] it is soooo funny

[Maxwell] Laura, I was just watching it a couple of weeks ago.

[Dennis DeMarco] Bennett Cerf and Arlene Francis are just about in tearsz

[ed] yes dennis that wml is on youtube

[Brad from Georgia] Even Harpo's kids spoke very guardedly about Groucho. Whereas everyone loved Harpo. And Chico was extremely charming offstage, I've read.

[Laura Leff] Has everyone heard the sort of informal tribute Jack did for FA the day or so after he died?

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, never saw that show

[Michael] no I haven't Laura

[Laura Leff] Brad - Chico could charm his way into...well...a lot of places.

[Maxwell] LL No, neither have I.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--yes, saw the show. Cantor came out of the closet on it....

[Michael] would like to though

[Dennis DeMarco] JB is all broken up on a Radiola record I have

[Laura Leff] Dennis - That's the one.

[Dennis DeMarco] He could barely speak

[Maxwell] Brad, so did Fred.

[yhtapmys] Dennis, I have that one too.

[Dennis DeMarco] His hurt was palpable

[yhtapmys] Now if my turntable had a needle...

[ed] they were good friends from vaudeville

[Laura Leff] Yeah...talk about a moving tribute to FA.

[Laura Leff] So here's another question...

[Dennis DeMarco] I never heard Jack so (rightfully) emotional

[Laura Leff] clearly we all appreciate the talent that was Fred Allen.

[Laura Leff] How would you introduce someone to him today?

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Dick Cavett told about Chico's being introduced to Tallulah Bankhead. His first words were, um, "I'd like to *thrill* you, Miss Bankhead." And she laughed and said, "And so you shall, you dear old-fashioned boy."

[Dennis DeMarco] that's a tough one, LL

[ed] nasal voice

[Michael] yes it is Laura

[Dennis DeMarco] Fred was so topical

[Maxwell] Dennis, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[Maxwell] Maybe in a U.S. History class.

[Dennis DeMarco] his humor is much more subtle

[Laura Leff] Brad - That ain't what he said, and you know it.    

[Brad from Georgia] Allen's Alley...and discuss ethnic humor.

[Michael] that's what I was thinking Max

[Dennis DeMarco] than JB's

[Brad from Georgia] LL--yes, but I be a gentleman, so I be. Sorry, just watched "Treasure Island."

[yhtapmys] Dennis, they're too entirely different kinds of shows.

[Dennis DeMarco] I didn't like FA at first for that reason

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's OK...we're G-rated in this room anyway. Or at least PG-rated.

[Dennis DeMarco] Now I think Fred was a genius

[Michael] I suppose if I were going to introduce someone to FA i would start with a show like his "Brooklyn Pinafore" one

[Brad from Georgia] I appreciate Allen's dexterity with language, but frankly, Jack makes me laugh more often and louder.

[Laura Leff] I think Fred's written work ages better than his radio performances.

[ed] FA hated TV though i thought

[Maxwell] You really do have to have a pretty good idea of what was going on at the time to catch all of the humor on Allen's shows.

[yhtapmys] Laura, it depends on which shows, I think.

[Laura Leff] That's why I am an umpire in the National League...

[Michael] true Max

[Dennis DeMarco] Much Ado is great

[Laura Leff] Ed - He dit.

[Laura Leff] did

[Dennis DeMarco] and defintely not ghost written at all

[yhtapmys] The 60 minute ones threw in a lot of unscripted elements and the pace is awfully slow.

[Michael] or perhaps his "South Dakota" show

[Laura Leff] There's a great story about FA telling...I think it was Hickey Marks...to tell Jack not to go into TV.

[Dennis DeMarco] Town Hall is a little rough

[Laura Leff] Yht - You'd be surprised to see how much of the show is unscripted.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Of the hour-long shows.

[ed] i have a tape with Henry morgan narrating and it talks of the topical humor of fred allen

[Laura Leff] Like when Stuart Canin was on...the whole last 15 minutes or so is unscripted.

[yhtapmys] I can't picture the "People" segment as being scripted.

[Dennis DeMarco] Not many people can ad lib for that long at all

[Dennis DeMarco] very few today

[Michael] and how in the world would anyone script an eagle loose in the studio?

[Brad from Georgia] I will say that FA's topical humor has aged somewhat better than Bob Hope's. I find it hard to laugh at a 1940s Hope show at all.

[Dennis DeMarco] Michael, what was his name

[Dennis DeMarco] General Ramshaw??

[Michael] Mr Ramshaw was the eagle

[Brad from Georgia] Michael--It's easy. Just write RELEASE THE EAGLE in the stage directions.

[Dennis DeMarco] Oh, that's it

[Michael] Crt Knight was the handler

[ed] the bird on the NBC stage is priceless comdey even today

[Michael] cpt even

[Dennis DeMarco] I enjoy Hope...

[Dennis DeMarco] but in small doses

[Laura Leff] Too bad we don't have the visual of the Eagle spraying people in the process

[yhtapmys] But the whole audience could picture it, Laura.

[Michael] probably wouldn't be as funny as what we imagine though

[ed] or the pound of hamburger

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, is there any film of an FA radio show?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Heck, they could FEEL it!

[Dennis DeMarco] I know there's one of Jack's

[yhtapmys] Just like Jack's pants being removed by Allen.

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis-I generally like Hope's movies much better than his radio/TV shows.

[ed] classic

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Hmmm...the only thing that comes to mind is Jack and Fred at the Roxy

[Laura Leff] But didn't they do some video of Allen's Alley?

[Dennis DeMarco] OK, I think I've seen pieces of that

[Michael] which senator is in it? Bloat or Claghorn?

[Dennis DeMarco] yht, jack's pants ep was hilarious

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Yes, that was either a short-lived TV series or the pilot for one that never aired. I don't remember.

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's something I should know and I've heard about, but haven't committed it to memory.

[Maxwell] I don't think Allen ever had a regular TV show.

[Maxwell] series, that is.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, I'll be in LA in October

[ed] not that i know

[Michael] you're right Max

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I know that he was doing something before Jack went into TV...I've got a little TV magazine that talks about it.

[Dennis DeMarco] Is there any Jack or FA rarities at the Paley center?

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Really? Is there something OTR related going on there?

[Dennis DeMarco] No just a vaca

[Laura Leff] Dennis - You mean the Museum of Television and Radio?

[Dennis DeMarco] Yeppers

[Laura Leff] They have a lot of good stuff...all the specials, I think.

[Dennis DeMarco] I've seen his first farewell in NYC

[Laura Leff] TV shows we don't have in the library yet, like Harry Truman and the Jack Benny Junior High.

[Brad from Georgia] Fred Allen's short-lived 1954 TV series was "Fred Allen's Sketchbook".

[ed] oh yes

[Laura Leff] I know I've seen stills of the Allen's Alley, just not video.

[Dennis DeMarco] Brad, how long did it run?

[Dennis DeMarco] brad, how long...

[Michael] Harry was actually on Jack's TV show? I recall the one where "amrgaret" was on from 1951

[Maxwell] Brad Was that on a network?

[Dennis DeMarco] sorry, chat froze here

[Michael] margaret even

[Brad from Georgia] Let me go google and I'll see.

[Maxwell] Same here.

[Laura Leff] Michael - They actually shot it at the Truman Library. Jack and Truman were friends.

[Michael] ok

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, doesn't surprise me one bit

Maxwell used to have that complete directory to prime time shows, and I don't remember any Fred Allen series.

[Laura Leff] It's very unusual for a Benny show.

[Michael] me either

[Dennis DeMarco] Jack is that kinda guy

[Laura Leff] We screened it at 39 Forever on the big screen, but unfortunately we got delayed and it had already shown by the time I got there.

[Laura Leff] Unfortunately, the audio on it is pretty rough.

[Dennis DeMarco] Wasn't FA a subject of Biography in Sound

[Dennis DeMarco] in the 50s

[Laura Leff] But in short, yes, they're definitely worth a stop.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Yes, I think we have that in the audio library.

[Dennis DeMarco] I have it somewhere here, too

[Laura Leff] If Fred Allen were working today, what would he be doing?

[yhtapmys] Dennis, it's on line.

[Michael] probably on something like the tonight show

[Brad from Georgia] Well, can't quickly find out if "Fred Allen's Sketchbook" was a network show--probably was, though, because it didn't last long enough to be a syndicated effort. Before that, Allen hosted the "Armstrong Circle Theater," it sez on IMDB.

[Maxwell] He's have a show like the Daily Show or Colbert.

[Dennis DeMarco] Maybe like Stan Freberg?

[yhtapmys] Yeah, a late night show would have been a perfect fit for Allen.

[Brad from Georgia] He'd be doing a voice on "The Simpsons."

[Maxwell] Brad, I'll bet that was just one episode of Circle Theater.

[Laura Leff] I vote for him writing humor for "The New Yorker".

[yhtapmys] But he'd go nuts trying to write it all.

[Dennis DeMarco] undit maybe a bit like Cavett

[Michael] could you imagine FA hosting SNL back in the late 70's?

[Dennis DeMarco] Michael, too cool for words

[Laura Leff] Michael - Wow...the imagination runs wild...

[yhtapmys] Fred as the Land Shark?

[Laura Leff] I'm Fred Allen and you're not.

[Dennis DeMarco] I'd love to hear his views on politics today


[Laura Leff] I am Spartacus

[Maxwell] I am Spartacus!

[yhtapmys] "Seven minutes and all you say is 'cheeseburger'?"

[Laura Leff] So was Fred a Democrat or Republican?

[Dennis DeMarco] It's sad that he's not remembered as much these days

[Maxwell] Laura: Yes.

[Dennis DeMarco] I would think Dem

[Laura Leff] Max - Good answer.

[Brad from Georgia] "Well, well, I see the Roman chariot is in the driveway, so Mr. Spartacus must be at home. Let's knock."

[Michael] or imagine FA doing a version of Allen's Alley with Ackroyd, Belushi and the rest

[ed] in the tape i have he mentions a brother bob did he have a family

[Laura Leff] Brad - ROFLMAO

[Dennis DeMarco] Never heard him discuss other family

[Laura Leff] Ed - Gee...I'd have to reread Much Ado and see if he mentions it.

[yhtapmys] Yeah, he mentions it in Much Ado

[Dennis DeMarco] Me too. It's on my bookshelf

[Laura Leff] Fred Allen...the face for radio.

[ed] he said he worked for a natural gas co. in boston

[yhtapmys] Laura, there are a lot of us out there like that.

[Laura Leff] Ed - Fred was good at making gas. Or something like that.

[Michael] what a setup line for Jack

[ed] LL true

[Laura Leff] Yht - Possibly me included.

[Maxwell] Maybe that's why his sponsor was Sal Hepatica.

[Dennis DeMarco] Max,   

[Laura Leff] OK, so I've wondered a lot but never closed the loop. Sal Hepatica was a laxative?

[ed] ha ha max

[Maxwell] Dennis I see you have the smile of health.

[Dennis DeMarco] and the smile of happiness

[Maxwell] Laura Yup.

[Laura Leff] OK...wasn't sure if it was more like Tums for gas.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack: I've GOT to get new glasses. I was walking down Fifth Avenue the other day and saw Marilyn Monroe coming toward me. Then she got closer, and it wasn't her, it was Fred Allen...those bags under his eyes are really getting out of hand.

[Dennis DeMarco] I\Brad, best ever!!

[Laura Leff] Fred Allen looks like a short butcher peeping over two pounds of liver.

[Michael] I always heard it as being jane Russell

[Laura Leff] So what's your favorite Benny or Allen jibe?

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis--it was a joke that the censors wouldn't let Jack use. Probably was Jane Russell, too!

[Michael] As one of my eyes said to the other ler's pack our bags & go

[Laura Leff] I've got to vote for "You wouldn't say that if my writers were here!"

[Dennis DeMarco] How about:

[Maxwell] I remember one that Jack told in an interview with Jack Eigen back in the '60s that Allen said about him: "It isn't that Jack Benny is tight. He just has short arms and deep pockets.

[Maxwell] "

[Brad from Georgia] "When Benny plays the violin, it sounds as if the strings are still inside the cat."

[Michael] my fav is the one I've never actually heard.... with FA say Jack couldn't adlib a belch after a Hungarian Dinner

[Dennis DeMarco] "Do you have an edgewise so I can get a word in?"

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Hey, that's good. Hadn't heard that one.

[yhtapmys] Michael, that was Harry Conn, wasn't it?

[Michael] don't know

[Laura Leff] Harry Conn wrote for Jack.

[Michael] it's one I've heard about but never actually heard

[yhtapmys] I think he came up with the Hungarian line.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, Jack fired Harry?

[Brad from Georgia] "A network VP is a man who comes into work every morning and finds a molehill of papers on his desk. His function is to turn it into a mountain by quitting time."

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Well, Harry sort of fired himself. Walked off the job and left Jack without a script and about 3-4 days to put one together.

[Dennis DeMarco] wow


[Laura Leff] But that led to the hire of Ed Beloin and Bill Morrow, who really made the show into the memorable thing that we all love.

[Dennis DeMarco] Did he create schlepperman who was in this week's episode?

[Maxwell] Conn had an inflated sense of his own value.

[Michael] and it was all down hill from there for Conn if I recall right

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Who, Conn?

[yhtapmys] Conn said it..

[yhtapmys] http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,778037,00.html

[Laura Leff] Max - Very.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, Yes

[Laura Leff] Michael - Correct. Tried his own show, but it didn't work.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Schlepperman actually has roots in the show all the way back to Canada Dry, pre-Sam Hearn. So yes.

[Michael] LL and if I also recall right didn't Conn wind up as a hotel doorman somewhere?

[Laura Leff] Michael - Theatre doorman...backstage.

[Michael] ok

[yhtapmys] Someone else did Schlepperman?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Good work!

[Dennis DeMarco] I enjoyed JB's first Canada Drfy show

[Laura Leff] Yht - Sort of pre-Schlepperman Schlepperman.

[yhtapmys] OK

[Laura Leff] I'd have to pull 39F V1 to remember what the character name was.

[ed] canada dry made in texas hmmmm

[Laura Leff] I think it's something like Schlepper.

[Dennis DeMarco] We're lucky it exists in such great sound

[yhtapmys] I like on tonight's episode that we in Canada are reminded our Jello is made here.

[Brad from Georgia] Now what is it that Schlepperman says? I've always heard it as "Hello, Stranger!" but someone told me it isn't "Stranger," but a Yiddish term I can't recall.

[Laura Leff] But Schlepperman was such a stock Yiddishkeit character, that it's hard to credit Harry Conn with inventing him.

[Maxwell] Dennis: Yeah, particularly considering the sound quality of the other two partial CD shows.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Sounds like Stranger to me...

[yhtapmys] Brad, I posted something on the forum about that awhile ago.

[Michael] same here

[yhtapmys] It was a newspaper article.

[Dennis DeMarco] Soundsike stranger to me, also

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, I'll have to do a search, yht.

[Maxwell] yht Yeah, I read that.

[Laura Leff] If it's Yiddish, it's not a term I know...

[Maxwell] I love it when you post those old articles.

[yhtapmys] Damned newspaper source is now off-line.

[yhtapmys] Has been for over a month.

[Maxwell] D'oh!

[Brad from Georgia] I heard it at a convention from someone who had given a talk about ethic humor.

(some loss)

[Dennis DeMarco] There's a musical sequence about every 10 minutes or so

[Brad from Georgia] The 35 minute version lacks "That's What I Like About the South."

User KayLhota has entered this room.

[yhtapmys] In mono

[yhtapmys] Hi Kay

[Laura Leff] Hi Kay!

[KayLhota] Hi

[Michael] Hi kay

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, Kay!

[KayLhota] Hi Dennis!

[Maxwell] Hi Kay!

[Maxwell] You're late!

[Dennis DeMarco] He does about 4 verses of South

[Laura Leff] Or with a suitable nod to the Gershwins, Oh Kay!

[Dennis DeMarco] Hi, Kay!!!

[KayLhota] I have been to a Live Radio performance

[Laura Leff] Kay - Any good?

[KayLhota] Radio Classics

[Michael] what were they performing?

[KayLhota] Yes

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, I wonder who did the voice of Baloo in the Disney cartoon "Tale Spin." He'd be great in a Benny show re-enactment as Phil!

[yhtapmys] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037802/soundtrack

[ed] hi kay

[KayLhota] They did Life of Riley, Burns and Allen,

[yhtapmys] There you go Michael.

[Dennis DeMarco] Loved "Bare Necessities" as a kid

[Laura Leff] OK, now that Kay's here...quick trivia question...

[Laura Leff] May 30 is the 100th anniversary of what?

[KayLhota] bring it on!

[KayLhota] Marconi?

[yhtapmys] Darktown Poker Club wasn't cut? It's more of Brad's ethic humour.

[Laura Leff] Nope

[Maxwell] One of Chuck Schaden's sponsors is doing a live radio recreation at some local fest on the 16th, and I can't see it....Graduation.

[KayLhota] hmm...

[Brad from Georgia] Ooh! of May 30, 1908!

[Dennis DeMarco] I have the soundtrack of it from a gas station

[yhtapmys] hans Conried's birthday?

[Laura Leff] Not that I have this memorized...I've just had people pinging me about it.

[Dennis DeMarco] I'm stumped

[Laura Leff] Yht - Close, but no.

[KayLhota] nope, that's April 15, 1917

[Michael] me too dennis

[Laura Leff] Damn.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack's purchasing his first vault?

[ed] no clue here

[Laura Leff] Hint

[Maxwell] Jack bought his first violin?

[Laura Leff] It is someone's birthday

[Dennis DeMarco] Mary?

[KayLhota] I feel that it has to do with the origins of radio

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - No that was Feb 1906

[KayLhota] birthday

[Brad from Georgia] Everyday is somebody's birthday.

[Michael] the day jack made his first dollar?   

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Nope.

[Laura Leff] Michael - You may not be too far wrong

[Laura Leff] Someone on the Benny cast

[yhtapmys] Mel Blanc.

[Dennis DeMarco] Philsy?

[Brad from Georgia] Now, there's a song title--"Ev'ry day is somebody's birthday, / So let me light the candles on your cake...."

[Laura Leff] YHTAPMYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Brad from Georgia] Wonga!

[KayLhota] Mel!

[Maxwell] What's up, Doc?

[KayLhota] oh, I should have thought!

[Laura Leff] Mel Blanc's 100th birthday.

[ed] mel blanc of course

[Dennis DeMarco] God Bless You, mel!

[Laura Leff] Don't slap your head too hard...I wouldn't have gotten it either.

[KayLhota] I should have thought of it.

[ed] just saw it on my calender

[Dennis DeMarco] Has anyone seen his tombstone?

[Maxwell] I'll have to remember that and play every version of Si, Sy, I can find.

[KayLhota] I never have.

[ed] that's all folks

[Laura Leff] Dennis - That's all folks

[Dennis DeMarco] It says "That's all, Folks"

[KayLhota] I remember that he passed away in July of 1989

[Brad from Georgia] Mel is still well known. When Eddie Carroll did his show for our college and mentioned Mel, the very mention got a round of warm applause!

[Maxwell] And Falling Hare.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Oh, I'm so sorry.    

[Dennis DeMarco] A great sense of humor

[Maxwell] LL You know I LOVE Si, Sy.

[Michael] I need to pull out my copy of mel doing his "Electric Organ" as Stanley Gropss (wipes off screen)

[Michael] Gropff

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Oh yes.. And you know I don't.    

[Michael] (wipes screen again)

[Maxwell] Yup.

[yhtapmys] Did he shoot himself in a department store at Christmas?

[Laura Leff] Herman Mdexfluxj

[Dennis DeMarco] On YT, there's an epiosde of...

[ed] how come his radio show lasted only one year tho LL too associated with JB?

[Dennis DeMarco] "This is Your Life'" with Mel

[Maxwell] ed More like his radio show was terrible.

[Brad from Georgia] Years ago, Mel had a company that, among other things, would send out birthday greetings on the phone for kids. I paid to have Mel Blanc as Bugs Bunny call my wife and wish her a happy 24th birthday!

[ed] that too

[Laura Leff] Ed - You mean Mel Blanc's Fix It Shop?

[Dennis DeMarco] Curiously, JB does not appear

[ed] yes

[Dennis DeMarco] yht,   

[Laura Leff] Ed - I haven't heard a lot of those shows, but I'm told that they're not as good as you might think.

[yhtapmys] Ed, I just didn't like his show, but I'm not much of a fan of radio sitcoms.

[Dennis DeMarco] Mel's Fix-It shop was written poorly

[Maxwell] Laura I've heard a few. They're not very good.

[ed] ok

[Laura Leff] And a lot of it was sort of Mel going from character to character.

[Dennis DeMarco] I like Mel on "Burns and Allen"

[yhtapmys] There was really no one to like on the show.

[ed] postman

[Michael] keep smiling

[Laura Leff] Herman Peabody

[Dennis DeMarco] brad, that is so cool!!!

[Laura Leff] the insurance salesman

[KayLhota] there is a formula in the Mel Blanc show that doesn't add up to much

[Laura Leff] anti-synergy

[yhtapmys] They wasted a damned good cast.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, too many character switches.

[Maxwell] Kay A regular sitcom where they try to work in Mel doing different voices.

[Dennis DeMarco] I only could get thrfough 3 or so

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis--It was just a recording, o' course. You could only choose a limited number of names! Lucky, my wife is Barbara and not Syphonsiba, or it wouldn't have worked.

[Michael] Dennis that's about 2 more than I've been able to do

[yhtapmys] I've heard maybe about ten of them.

[Laura Leff] Brad - If it was, she'd probably be away at Delphi a lot.

[KayLhota] I did like one episode of the Mel Blanc show where Mel impersonates a Viennese art critic

[Dennis DeMarco] I guess mel was best in supporting roles

[Brad from Georgia] How oracular, LL.

[Laura Leff] Brad - I saw right through it.

[Michael] or doing voice work

[KayLhota] and Hans Conried plays the genuine critic, so they go back and forth with their accents

[ed] i think of him as either on JB the flintstones/jetsons or bugs bunny

[Brad from Georgia] I've been listening to the 1945 Jack Benny programs while I walk, and to my delight there are several "Professor LeBlanc" appearances that year.

[Dennis DeMarco] Conried was always so dependable an actor

[yhtapmys] Mel just doesn't come across as likeable or sympathetic. He's just nondescript.

[KayLhota] oh, I found him likeable but I thought that the scripts were too formula

[Maxwell] Dennis My brother used to call him "the inevitable Hans Conried."

[Laura Leff] How can you develop any one character when you're playing about five of them in a half hour?

[yhtapmys] Everyone else is pretty one-dimensional.

[Dennis DeMarco] I like, after a lesson...

[yhtapmys] Well, that's true, too, Laura.

[Dennis DeMarco] Jack says to Mel, "Do you want lunch?"

[Dennis DeMarco] and Mel say, "I want the money this time!"

[Laura Leff] No Monsieur Benny, I want my money this time!

[ed] conreid was from baltimore yet had a canny thing about dialects

[Brad from Georgia] "Make your bowing movements littler, / Zey should make you play for Hitler...."

[Laura Leff] Hey, has anyone else heard a thing that Jack did with Mel, where Mel is playing the ghost of Hitler?

[Michael] and the Prof finally has to go next door to the Colemans to get them to ask Jack for his money and his pants

[yhtapmys] Yeah, Laura

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, no!! Do tell...

[KayLhota] Mel Blanc was from Portland OR, so what does that prove? He had a talent for voices.

[Laura Leff] Yht- OK, so I'm not the only one.

[yhtapmys] That's when he's doing German gibberish.

[Michael] I've not heard it either

[Maxwell] Neither have I.

[Laura Leff] It's pretty interesting...Hitler is asking how Germany is now, and Jack is telling him.

[KayLhota] when did they do that show?

[Laura Leff] I don't remember a lot of it, but Hitler asks about the place where they sang "Unter den Linden Tree"

[KayLhota] New year episode?

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, this was not on Jack's show was it?

[Laura Leff] And Jack responds that "Just like you, that Linden tree is now six fee UNTER!" Or something like that.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - No, I didn't hear it when doing 39F.

[Dennis DeMarco] I'd love to hear that

[Laura Leff] So it's got to be on another show. I just can't remember where.

[Michael] me too

[yhtapmys] Laura, wasn't it a Command Performance?

[Laura Leff] I'm glad that Yht is here to back me up!

[Brad from Georgia] Jonathan Harris was from the Bronx, and he did accents well. I once was in the audience while he chatted about his career. One young lady said, "I love your voice, Mr. Harris. Are you originally from England?"

[Dennis DeMarco] Maybe a Mail Call?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Could be...I haven't spent a lot of time with those.

[yhtapmys] Dennis may have it.

[Brad from Georgia] Harris said, "No, my dear, just TERRIBLY affected."

[yhtapmys] It was one of those, I'm fairly sure.

[Laura Leff] It sounds like it...something patriotic and war-related.

[Laura Leff] I was pretty sure I hadn't dreamed it.

[KayLhota] Laura, we'll have to hunt around and locate the show. It sounds good

[Michael] definitely

[Dennis DeMarco] Kay, I'll try to find it as well

[Laura Leff] We probably even have it in the audio library, but I don't have time to listen to everything.

[Laura Leff] I think it may even be quoted in one of the biographies.

[KayLhota] it takes a lot to keep track of them all.

[Laura Leff] Just not enough hours in the day to chase every open question...

[ed] mel was from san fran

[Laura Leff] Speaking of...

[Dennis DeMarco] Hey, just saw "To Be..." and really loved JB's peformence

[Laura Leff] Does everyone who subscribes to the Times have their most recent copy?

[KayLhota] It's a charming movie

[Dennis DeMarco] He's not in as much as I thought

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Oh yes, it's wonderful.

[Maxwell] LL Yup. Came a few days ago.

[KayLhota] yes, I just got mine in the mail the other day

[Michael] it's good... but I still like buck benny rides again better

[Laura Leff] OK, good. I'm always curious how long it takes from the time I mail to the time they arrive.

[Brad from Georgia] In the Mother's Day show of 1945, at the end Jack notes that VE day was the preceding Tuesday. He adds that the war in the Pacific is yet to be won and movingly speaks of mothers who may never see their sons again....

[Maxwell] I love "To Be or Not To Be."

[Dennis DeMarco] I'm embarassed to disclose...

[Maxwell] Well, mine came via email, so....

[yhtapmys] Laura, it might be the Command Performance for 05-10-45

[Dennis DeMarco] that's the only Lombard film I have seen

[Maxwell] Of course I had trouble getting the first few after I subscribed, so....

[KayLhota] oh, you need to remedy that too, Brad. Carole Lombard is lovely and funny

[Brad from Georgia] My daughter caught "To Be or Not to Be" on TV and told me, "Jack Benny was a really good actor! Better than Mel Brooks!"

[Maxwell] Dennis You must see My Man Godfrey and...shoot, what's the one where she fakes that she is going to die?

[KayLhota] Dennis! Whoops!

[Michael] you'd like Lombard in My Man Godfrey and Nothing Sacred.... she's very funny

[Laura Leff] Yht - I'll see if I can run the audio while doing the chat...

[Dennis DeMarco] I remember Jack not doing his show the week she died

[Maxwell] Nothing Sacred!

[KayLhota] Nothing Sacred is the Lombard movie

[Dennis DeMarco] It was all music with Don Wilson and company

[ed] he was emotional

[Laura Leff] Dennis - That was the first credited appearance of the Sportsmen.

[Dennis DeMarco] Kay, I'll check it out

[Laura Leff] Yht - Oh well...looks like I don't have that on MP3.

[Maxwell] Thanks, Kay

[KayLhota] She did a drama called "In Name Only" and I love that

[Michael] if it is... perhaps it could be the show for a future session here?

[ed] any movies with gable?\

[KayLhota] "NO Man of Her Own" 1932

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, I have it here somewhere

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--Remedy what?

[ed] thanx

[KayLhota] Dennis needs to see more Lombard movies. Sorry, Brad.

[KayLhota] I typed your name by mistake

[Brad from Georgia] Oh. Yeah, I've seen lots of Lombard movies. Love her!

[KayLhota] I just saw Dennis last week, and yet I typed Brad's name.

[Dennis DeMarco] Kay, I'll update my Netflix queue

[Brad from Georgia] Well, if I'm Dennis, I'll now sing "Danny Boy."

[Laura Leff] Hey, how's the Netflix selection of Benny movies?

[KayLhota] yes, what's available?

[Dennis DeMarco] With Dennis Day as backup!!

[Dennis DeMarco] Seems to be the common films

[Laura Leff] I've got Netflix, but I've also got all the movies, so I didn't check.

[Dennis DeMarco] But I need tgo look further

[Brad from Georgia] "To Be or Not to Be," "Charlie's Aunt," and maybe one other. There's a few public-domain TV shows.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Or allegedly public-domain shows.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Right.

[Dennis DeMarco] There's a Netflix Distro Center in my town

[Dennis DeMarco] so I get them real quickly

[Laura Leff] Convenient

[Laura Leff] BRB

[Dennis DeMarco] By the way, speaking of Public Domain...

[Brad from Georgia] We're puppy-sitting my daughter's little dog right now. When I picked her up and had to drive 50 miles back home with her, I sang to her to keep her dazed.

[Dennis DeMarco] I just purchased at Walmart a 40-episode...

[Brad from Georgia] I sang "Danny Boy" among others and told my wife about it. She said, "There's a law against cruelty to animals."

[ed] any of JB's laugh in appearences on youtube i wonder

[Dennis DeMarco] 4 disk set of JB shows and rarities

[Maxwell] Dennis The MIll Creek one?

[Dennis DeMarco] for $5.00!!!!

[KayLhota] wow, Dennis!

[KayLhota] impressive.

[Michael] very

[Brad from Georgia] Jack would even buy one!

[Dennis DeMarco] Ed, it's on one of the Laugh-In DVDs

[Maxwell] Brad But he'd have to go to the vault to get the money.

[Dennis DeMarco] I think the first or second

[ed] thanx dennis

[Dennis DeMarco] I have it here

[KayLhota] Yes, I've got the Laugh In DVD that Jack Benny is on

[ed] that was one of the frirst times i had heard of him

[Dennis DeMarco] He wasn't given great material top work with,

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Wow...anything we don't already have in the video library?

[yhtapmys] Sock it to .. me?

[Dennis DeMarco] but JB's still entertaining

[yhtapmys] Oh, wait, that was Nixon.

[KayLhota] "Keep it moving, Jack"

[Michael] yhp I thought that was nixon

[Maxwell] LL Do you have the two GE Theater performances?

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, something from the religious order, the Christophers

[Brad from Georgia] I really liked Arte Johnson's WWI German soldier's wandering up to Bob Hope and saying accusingly, "Ve vaited for you effry Christmsas."

[Dennis DeMarco] with a whole bunch of stars

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I've got "The Face is Familiar"

[Brad from Georgia] Christmas.

[Maxwell] Or the Bing Crosby Show appearance?

[yhtapmys] Michael, you've got to realise it's been 40 years since I saw those shows.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Oh, I've been meaning to transfer that one. I got their permission.

[ed] and then i received those longuines records in the 70's with frank knight

[Laura Leff] I almost put an article on that in the most recent newsletter.

[Dennis DeMarco] The Face is Familiar is played for laughs

[Dennis DeMarco] with a really bad laugh track

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yes, I have Bing Crosby in PAL format.

[Michael] a suspense show played for laughs.... sounds interesting

[Dennis DeMarco] No, Der Bingle appearance

[Brad from Georgia] Ever get an earworm?

[Laura Leff] Bing on Jack's show?

[ed] the fiddler?

[ed] claasdic

[Maxwell] Jack on Bing's GE show.

[Dennis DeMarco] Michael, interesting to compare the two

[Laura Leff] What's the other GE appearance?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yes, got that.

[ed] classic

[Dennis DeMarco] Max, stand by

[Maxwell] The other one is with Charles Bronson as the sister of his fiancee.

[Brad from Georgia] I had one last week, probably as a result of stress and grading. It was "Cuando Caliente el Sol," as sung (in Spanish) by Bing Crosby!

[ed] New keyboard 48 year old typist

[Dennis DeMarco] I'll let you know in a sec

[Maxwell] Can't think of the title.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - It's not ringing a bell.

[Maxwell] He's a piano tuner. Zsa Zsa Gabor is in it.

[KayLhota] I've never seen that

[Michael] I think it's Murder in G flat or something like that

[Laura Leff] Oh...

[Laura Leff] yeah, what Michael said.

[Michael] at least that's the suspense show

[KayLhota] "Murder in G Flat" is Suspense

[Brad from Georgia] Charles Bronson playing the sister of his fiancee...the mind boggles.

[Laura Leff] I wouldn't think Charles Bronson would look good in a dress.

[ed] drag?

[Laura Leff] Charles Bronson's Aunt

[Maxwell] The BROTHER of his fiancee.

[KayLhota] I shudder at the image

[Brad from Georgia] What's next? Clint Eastwood as Elizabth I?

[ed] oh/...

[Michael] charles Bronson in a dress is a scary thought

[Brad from Georgia] Elizabeth.

[Dennis DeMarco] Here are the rarities from the Walmart set...

[Brad from Georgia] Jack Benny as Gracie Allen? Oh, wait.

[Laura Leff] I'd prefer Rowan Atkison as Elizabeth I.

[Maxwell] Sorry about that...but I did manage to start a little banter...unintentionally.

[Dennis DeMarco] March of Time - Show Biz at war

[ed] that's all right max


[Michael] jack did a half way decent job as gracie

[Brad from Georgia] 'Sokay. We live for moments like these. Gives you an idea of how pathetic our lives are.

[Laura Leff] That was uplifting.

[Maxwell] Tell me about it, Brad.

[Dennis DeMarco] GE Theatre (Face and The Honest Man"

[Dennis DeMarco] and the Crosby GE show

[Maxwell] The Honest Man was the one with Bronson and Zsa Zsa.

[Dennis DeMarco] I stand conemned (err, corrected)

[KayLhota] good one, Dennis

[Laura Leff] Interesting. Haven't seen that.

[Dennis DeMarco] I can't spell tonite at all

[Brad from Georgia] Too bad Jack and Bing were never on "Death Valley Days." Jack could have used his Western voice.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, check it out.

[KayLhota] I'm slow and making mistakes as well

[Laura Leff] Dennis - It sounds intriguing.

[Michael] perhaps he might have finally found Cactus Face

[KayLhota] Cactus Face Elmer

[Maxwell] The thing that bugs me about that set is that the hour special is in living B&W and there are all kinds of jokes about the show being in color.

[Laura Leff] Is it the one with Elke Sommer?

[Maxwell] LL Yup.

[Michael] better in B& W than not at all I say

[Brad from Georgia] I can just imagine Ronald Reagan: "Tonight we tell the story of a lawman, played by Jack Benny, who sets out to find a desperate killer...not knowing he can croon."

[Laura Leff] Feh.

[Laura Leff] You can see parts of it in color on "Love Letter to Jack Benny"


[Maxwell] Brad I prefer thinking of Stanley Andrews (the Old Ranger) saying that.

[Dennis DeMarco] The DVD set is released by millcreekent.com

[Maxwell] (I just said that to show off that I know who played the old ranger....)

[Laura Leff] Mr. Kitzel's wife's name in Marilyn

User Brad from Georgia has logged out.

[KayLhota] there went brad

[Laura Leff] Was just scanning to see if I had a first name for Mr. Kitzel

User Brad from Georgia has entered this room.

[Maxwell] One thing I liked about that Mill Creek set is that the remake of the New Year's Eve episode keeps the State Farm integrated commercial in it.

[KayLhota] hi again Brad

[Brad from Georgia] Gee, that was odd.

[Laura Leff] Nope, I got nothing. Sorry.

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, yes, the Old Ranger.

[Dennis DeMarco] For $5.00, it's worth it

[Laura Leff] I haven't heard of Mill Creek. Interesting.

[Maxwell] LL There was a thread about it in the forum section.

[Brad from Georgia] "Hidy, folks, I'm the Old Ranger. Get off my prairie, you dern kids! Where was I? I like cookies. Once I shot my brother out of a tree. What's your name again?"

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I have to admit that I haven't had time to read the Forum in longer than I'd care to admit.

[Michael] Mill Creek? I thought they were a lumber company?

[yhtapmys] Laura, I'm pretty sure Kitzel had a first name when he was on with Al Pearce.

[Laura Leff] I need to catch up some time.

[Brad from Georgia] Course, that's the VERY Old Ranger.....

[Dennis DeMarco] Wasn't Mr. Kitzel on "A & C" once?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Very possible. I figured that if they ever mentioned it, I'd have trapped it in a "Notable"

[Maxwell] Mr. Kitzel made the rounds.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - More than once...before he was on Jack's show.

[yhtapmys] Well, it was either Phil Baker or Al Pearce.

[Laura Leff] How about on the Mr. Kitzel show?

[yhtapmys] Probably Pearce because I've never heard the Baker show.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, I think he may have been. Have some vague memory of it

[Laura Leff] I haven't been able to get all the way through that.

[yhtapmys] Oh, that. Is is on-line somewhere?

[yhtapmys] I've never heard it.

[Maxwell] Sounds like it's a good thing you haven't.

[Laura Leff] Yht - We had it on a special two-disc rarity set we made available a few years ago.

[Laura Leff] That along with the Rochester shows, etc.

[Michael] time for me to head off.... hope to see you all next time

[Dennis DeMarco] I heard it - I think - on a radio station in Canada I can get here

User Michael has logged out.

[yhtapmys] OK.

[ed] he died at early am i right?

[Dennis DeMarco] CHML, 900 on your AM dial

[Brad from Georgia] "Hello, Strangers! It's the Heinz Peekle Show, with Joe Penner, Mel Blanc, Bea Benaderet, our star Meester Kitzle, and yours truly, Schlepperman!"

[Laura Leff] Gee, Michael wasted no time in skedaddling...

[Laura Leff] Ed - Artie Auerbach?

[ed] yes

[yhtapmys] Where's that, Dennis? It's one station I *haven't* worked on.

User Ernie Kovacs has entered this room.

[yhtapmys] Hi Edie.

[Maxwell] Hello Ernie

[KayLhota] hello, Ernie K

[Dennis DeMarco] Artie died fairly young, I think

[Brad from Georgia] I thought I smelled a cigar.

[Laura Leff] Hello Ernie...how's Edie?

[ed] ernie...

[Maxwell] That's another episode on the Mill Creek set: Ernie Kovacs.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Really? Hmmm..

[yhtapmys] Now cut that out!

[Dennis DeMarco] yht, Hamilton Ontario

[Ernie Kovacs] Edie's lighting my cigar for me as we speakl

[yhtapmys] OK.

[Laura Leff] I always think of Artie Auerbach as being old since he was playing a little old Jewish man.

[ed] ernie did you ever appear in radio shows?

[Dennis DeMarco] Don't know if they are on the net

[KayLhota] Ernie begain in radio

[yhtapmys] And some of us stayed there, Kay.

[Maxwell] Did he use creative editing of audio tape?

[Brad from Georgia] Artie Auerbach died at the age of 54 in 1957.

[Laura Leff] I've often said that Ernie Kovacs was as influential to TV comedy as Jack was to radio comedy.

[ed] thanx brad

[Maxwell] Jeeze! I've outlived him!

[Brad from Georgia] Heart attack, it says on the IMDB.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Good catch.

[yhtapmys] Must have been the hot dogs.

[Dennis DeMarco] My friend's mother was a model who appeared regularly on Ernie's show in Philly in the 50s.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Wow!

[Dennis DeMarco] I think AA was in his 50s

[Brad from Georgia] Max--That's nothing. When John Keats was my age, he'd been dead twice.

[yhtapmys] !

[ed] wow alot of OTR folks died of heart attcks

[ed] attacks*

(some loss)

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yow. I guess if you haven't heard a joke, it's new to you.

[Laura Leff] Then again, Jack reused a lot of bits later in life.

[KayLhota] I wish I could better remember the comedy. a routine about the land of "Watergoo" stands out

[Dennis DeMarco] I'll bet a lot of those older acts would keep recycling

[KayLhota] this was years aftert Watergate, so it was an old routine

[Ernie Kovacs] I was reading Ozzie Nelson's bio. He was working on a stage and a guy took a terrible rall and the guy ended up winning the contest and Ozzie felt bad for the guy then found out it was part of his act.

[Maxwell] If it still gets laughs you keep it in.

[KayLhota] he had a finish to his act that had him doing all sorts of goofy patter and song routines

[Brad from Georgia] Fred Allen complained about how fast radio and TV consumed material. A Vaudeville routine could remain unchanged for decades--but broadcast comedy was a treadmill to oblivion.

[KayLhota] and one by one his musicians would give up in disgust and leave the stage

[Laura Leff] Brad- You got it.

[Maxwell] Brad Sounds like a great title for a book!

[Dennis DeMarco] Did you know that Ozzie produced, wrote and directed most eps of his show?

[Maxwell] Ozzie was a workaholic.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Sounds like Jack and the Marquis Chimps!

[Brad from Georgia] Fink's Mules played the campus last week. Same mules they were using in Aught Nine. Of course, they don't do the high jumps as much any more

[KayLhota] The night that I saw it, my Dad left the stage, but he was still moving his arm in beat to the music

[Laura Leff] Kay - Once a musician, always a musician.

[Ernie Kovacs] The Nelson's is also a trivia answer. They are the only family where 3 generations have had a #1 hit.

[KayLhota] I thought that if my Dad had his way, he wouldn't have been leaving the stage

[ed] brad that is correct for that is what Henry Morgan says on my tape...

[ed] that a radio skit had to be changed week after week...

[Dennis DeMarco] "Treadmill to Oblivion" -- great name for a book   

[Maxwell] Except for Si, sy.

[Laura Leff] Well, I read something interesting about that, although I can't remember where...wish I could...

[ed] but in vaudeville a skit could last years with just a little polishing to it

[Ernie Kovacs] Cimmaron rolls

[Laura Leff] About how there's the combined humor of surprise vs. liking to hear something because it's familiar.

[Maxwell] I love the ingrediments.

[Dennis DeMarco] Didn't Mel do somewhere a French version of "Sy/si"?

[Ernie Kovacs] Oui

[Laura Leff] If you play something week in and week out, people expect it and don't care much.

[Maxwell] Oui.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Yes, Captain Horatio Hornblower.

[yhtapmys] Oui?

[Laura Leff] But if you do it and then don't do it for a while, when it comes back, it has a "nostalgia" factor of "Oh, I love this one!"

[Laura Leff] Fibber McGee and Molly didn't open the closet every week.

[Ernie Kovacs] More times that Jack went to the vault though

[Maxwell] It would be interesting to track how often some of those recurring gags were used.

[ed] 120 times in 24= years

[Laura Leff] As opposed to sitcoms of the early 80s where Flo said "Kiss ma grits!" every week or Gary Coleman said "What'choo talkin' about Willis/Mr. Whatever" every week.

[Ernie Kovacs] Dyn-o-mite

[Maxwell] Or Judy Carne said "Sock it to me."

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That's why I tracked it in 39F. Figured it would be interesting to see how often they were used.

[ed] they did run a gag into the ground every week

[ed] not*

[Laura Leff] And to answer the question of, "What is the date of every Benny show where the Si-Sy routine was done?"

[ed] not run*

[Maxwell] did not run*

[Laura Leff] I still get that question a LOT!

[Brad from Georgia] LL-which reminds me, we saw "Avenue Q" on tour in Atlanta with our daughter, the puppeteer (she wasn't IN the show, but saw it with us) and the Gary Coleman actress was about the weakest one in the cast. Not even a puppet!

[Laura Leff] not did run*

[ed] thanx max...

[Laura Leff] run not did*

[Ernie Kovacs] Was not was

[Brad from Georgia] The one we saw on Broadway was great--made a Jack Benny joke, even!"

[ed] oh look what I started...

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'll be...we thought about seeing it out here, but didn't want to spend $300 on tickets.

[Laura Leff] Veni vidi vici

[Maxwell] ed This crew will jump on everything.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Really?

[ed] you are right

[Brad from Georgia] Three hun---three hundr---three hundred bucks!!!!!!!! We saw it for seventy-five!

[Ernie Kovacs] Like ducks on a june bug


[Laura Leff] Brad - Welcome to San Francisco.

[Dennis DeMarco] Far too much $$$

[ed] home of mel blanc

[Laura Leff] And I was looking at West End ticket prices, and they look pretty comparable.

[Laura Leff] Maybe more with the weak dollar.

[Maxwell] That's where they got the title for West End Blues.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Yes--they take up a collection, and I dropped a handful of pennies in her hat. When they counted the money, she said in a voice of disgust, "I jes' got ONE guy to give me money--and HE thinks he's Jack Benny!"

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'll be! Go figure!

[Brad from Georgia] It made my night. My wife finally told me, "Oh, quit telling that story!" a few months ago.

[Brad from Georgia] I said, "But it's true!"

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'm surprised you hadn't told in here before!

[Dennis DeMarco] Brad, it IS really funny

[Brad from Georgia] She said, "I know, but it's not very amusing the three hundred and ninth time."

[Laura Leff] Jack would have had to go to the vault for the pennies.

[Maxwell] Brad I'd keep telling it. It's funny.

[Dennis DeMarco] and telling about Jack's "reputation" these days

[Laura Leff] Just not in front of your wife.

[Maxwell] I guess that to her is like Si, Sy is to Laura.

[Maxwell] Si?

[yhtapmys] Oui

[Brad from Georgia] My agent got us great seats, third row, aisle. The perks of bein' a writer type....

[Laura Leff] Or a type writer

[Maxwell] qwerty

[Ernie Kovacs] dvorak

[Brad from Georgia] poiyut

[ed] oiks

[Laura Leff]  

[Maxwell] Ann or Anton?

[Maxwell] Dvorak.

[Laura Leff] Ducks are on the june bug again

[Laura Leff] Dvor-shack

[Brad from Georgia] Duck's on the June bug, shoo fly, shoo....

[Ernie Kovacs] Dvorak's another type of keyboard layout

[Brad from Georgia] Also the composer of "Going Home."

[Laura Leff] Shoo fly duck and june bug dowdy...

[Brad from Georgia] An that's what I like about the South!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Really?

[Laura Leff] About "Going Home"?

[ed] ducks on the pond

[Laura Leff] I just heard that played on bagpipes in a movie today.

[Maxwell] Actually it's a theme from the New World Symphony.

[Brad from Georgia] Well, the composer was Anton Dvorak, yes.

[Laura Leff] Ducks on the pond wrote "Going Home"?

[Maxwell] As opposed to the Brooklyn Dodgers Sym-phony.

[Dennis DeMarco] Remember when Philsy threatened to sing something like all 100 verses of "South" on JB?

[Brad from Georgia] He took the melody from a spiritual, but the version always played is his.

[Maxwell] What did Ann Dvorak write?

[Laura Leff] Or Sym-phony Soothing Syrup

[Ernie Kovacs] Well I gotta go, the Nairobi Trio are rehearsing in a few minutes...

[ed] dodger sym-phony

[KayLhota] bye Ernie

[Maxwell] So long Ernie

[Laura Leff] Thanks for stopping, Ernie!

[Ernie Kovacs] Goodnight

[Dennis DeMarco] C Ya Ernie

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[Brad from Georgia] Of course Elgar wrote "Land of Hope and Glory," AKA the graduation march...which I get to hear next Thursday night.

[Laura Leff] What else Benny-wise on folks' minds tonight?

[KayLhota] this is not Benny wise

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, did you ever see

[Laura Leff] Brad - Pomp and Circumstance

[Maxwell] I thought it was Pomp and Circumstance.

[KayLhota] but I was at the Radio Classics show

[Dennis DeMarco] Joan Benny's appearance on "I've Got a Secret"...

[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--that's the common title.

[KayLhota] and I transcribed several scripts for them

[Dennis DeMarco] with her father

Maxwell played it at his 8th grade graduation.

[Maxwell] Solo.

[KayLhota] the Burns and Allen show was from 1949

[Laura Leff] Dennis - I want to say yes...I've seen Jack on it.

[Dennis DeMarco] It's from the early '60s

[Brad from Georgia] I always dream of having them play the gallop from "The William Tell Overture" instead. Get the dang thing over with sooner.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Actually, she's on the panel, isn't she?

[Dennis DeMarco] Jack was hysterically funny. And clever.

[Maxwell] Yeah, but everyone would have to come in on white horses wearing masks.

[Dennis DeMarco] LL, correct. She was filling in for Betsey Palmer

[Laura Leff] Dennis - OK yes, I've seen it.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Have you seen them on Password?

[Brad from Georgia] I wonder how much writing of his own Jack did. He'd do those little essays in the thirties and forties that appeared in magazines.

[KayLhota] Betsy Palmer! I've been trying to remember her name!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Imagine the stage filling up with horses.

[Dennis DeMarco] No. When did they appear?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Which were usually written by his writers.

[ed] palmer i have on a to tell the truth

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Thought so.

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Hmmm...I'd have to look up the date.

[Maxwell] Dennis One bit from that was on TV Land's hundred funniest TV moments.

[Dennis DeMarco] Kay,...

[Maxwell] Lightning round: Password was "miser."

[KayLhota] yes?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Jack could write fairly well for himself, because the personal letters (like the Ripley letters) are pretty good, albeit repetetive.

[Dennis DeMarco] There's an off-Broadway recreation of "What's My Line? in NYC

[Dennis DeMarco] I think it's weekly

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - You've got it.

[KayLhota] what a wild idea

[Brad from Georgia] LL-And he planned to write "I Always Had Shoes" himself.

[Maxwell] What I love is that his partner didn't get it.

[Dennis DeMarco] Betsy appeared on it about a month ago

[Laura Leff] Brad - Well, sort of. He worked with Maurice Zolotow on it.

[Laura Leff] And he wanted to work with a woman writer whose name escapes me at the moment.

[Brad from Georgia] Jack did the consonants, Maurice the vowels, sort of thing?

[Laura Leff] Brad - A little more ghosted, I think. As told to without sounding it.

[Dennis DeMarco] I can't picture any comic pulling off the cheap persona today

[Laura Leff] Dennis - Why not?

[KayLhota] and being endearing

[Brad from Georgia] Dennis--the trouble is that in this economy, we're all forced to be Jack Bennys.

[Dennis DeMarco] I dunno -- just wouldn't seem organic

[Laura Leff] I think comedy overall has a much harder, less subtle edge nowadays.

[KayLhota] comedy doesn't usually take its time like the way that Jack did it

[Brad from Georgia] Kay--You nailed it. Jack had all these horrible habits and quirks--but he was endearing!

[Laura Leff] Hard to create a character that you love in spite of his flaws

[KayLhota] the jokes tend to go "below the waist"

[Laura Leff] The odd thing is...Tony Sporano could qualify for that, though.

[Dennis DeMarco] And an overtippere, to boot

[Laura Leff] Lovable rogue, in spite of his flaws. Like killing people.

[Laura Leff] Comedy doesn't develop the character as much any more...too two-dimensional.

[Brad from Georgia] Tony: Oh, Don...Donsy....I have a little job for you. Put away the Jell-O. I want somebody whacked.

[Dennis DeMarco] Wow, guys and gals, I think I will bow out now...

[Laura Leff] Brad - You know, I can hear that in James Gandolfini's voice.

[Maxwell] So long, Dennis.

[Dennis DeMarco] Gotta get ready for the salt mine tomorrow

[Laura Leff] Thanks for stopping Dennis!

[Maxwell] Time flies when you're having fun.

[ed] new jello singles now in stores!!!

[Laura Leff] Hope you enjoyed yourself!

[Brad from Georgia] LL--That's what I hate about the South--uh, I mean about tv situation comedies. Just one one-liner after another.

[Brad from Georgia] So long, Dennis!

[KayLhota] goodnight dennis

[Laura Leff] New Jello singles on match.com!

[KayLhota] come again

[Dennis DeMarco] This was really, really fun, and thanks Kay for the suggestion

[ed] new type don't know how different from before

[Maxwell] We do this every month.

[KayLhota] I'm so glad you came

[Maxwell] Whether we want to or not.

[Dennis DeMarco] It's getting a little late, so goodnight folks!

[Brad from Georgia] This is my social life.

[Maxwell] Same here.

[ed] same here guys

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[Laura Leff] Gosh...uh...same here?

[ed] original LL

[Maxwell] Talk about a bunch of LOSERS! Oh, wait, I'm one of them.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I'm doing a wee bit of ghost-writing, actually--speech-writing for a Democratic candidate for the statehouse.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Cool.

[Brad from Georgia] Can't do that officially 'cause I teach at a state college, and we're forbidden to openly endorse a candidate.

[Maxwell] Brad: Excellent!

[Laura Leff] Maybe you could ghost write for the Democratic candidate...whomever that is.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, but he says the cheap jokes are weird.

[Maxwell] Don't worry. This will only be published on the web site for everybody in the world to see.

[yhtapmys] Does he say "That's a joke, son."

[yhtapmys] ?

[Laura Leff] Call it "conservative fiscal policy"

[Brad from Georgia] Now, that's a cheap joke.

[Laura Leff] We used that to promote Jack on a stamp.

[Laura Leff] Jack Benny: The Original Fiscal Conservative

[Laura Leff] Jack on a stamp

[Laura Leff] Duck on a june bug

[Laura Leff] S*** on a shingle...well, whatever

[Maxwell] Or as one school board candidate said in a district where I used to work: "We have to be physically responsible."

[Brad from Georgia] And he'd be good for te fight against obesity, too...when he spent a dine, Jack had a fiscal fit.

[Maxwell] He lost.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Or Jack kept fiscally fit

[Laura Leff] Like being a wascally wabbit

[Maxwell] Now cut that out!

[Laura Leff] Before we lose more folks, any requests for a show next month?

[Brad from Georgia] Well, the candidate in question is actually fairly conservative, but he's more liberal than the Republican, so I'm in...

[Maxwell] Well, it's the summer replacement season...so how about a Jack guest appearance?

[Laura Leff] While everyone who worked for him was fiscally phhhhtttt

[ed] any show will do LL

[Brad from Georgia] Show for next month...let's see, it's June. Yeah, guest shot!

[KayLhota] Jack on the Jack Paar show from 1947?

[Laura Leff] As opposed to an espresso shot

[Brad from Georgia] Any dream will do, too.

[Maxwell] Kay There ya go.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Hm...do we have that...

[yhtapmys] Yeah, pick anything Laura.

[Maxwell] If you don't know, we can't help you.

[Brad from Georgia] Paar...spelled backwards is Raap.

[Laura Leff] Not seeing it in the MP3s

[KayLhota] I have it.

[Laura Leff] OK, then I can hear it for the first time as well.

[KayLhota] you can download it from Archive.org

[Brad from Georgia] Great! It's all settled! Thanks, Kay!

[Maxwell] I love archive.org.

[Brad from Georgia] I love a piano. Don't tell my wife.

[Maxwell] Just don't let the lid fall on you.

[Laura Leff] Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

[Laura Leff] Speaking of Groucho...

[KayLhota] yes?

[Brad from Georgia] And the banana on my wall says it's past ten.

[Laura Leff] So shall we call it good for this month?

[Maxwell] I don't know how good it was, but we can call it over.

[Maxwell] BTW, Laura...

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Didn't have a good time?

[Brad from Georgia] But heck, I don'thave to go to school tomorrow, so I'm gonna hang on until LL signs off!

[KayLhota] I'll have to read the first hour, because I had to miss it

[Maxwell] I loved every second of it.

[Maxwell] BTW, Laura....

[KayLhota] I can't wait for next month

[Maxwell] Gunhild Carling.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yah

[Brad from Georgia] I laughed, I cried, I was deeply moved.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I knew you were going to say that.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Too much Sal Hepatica, eh?

[ed] 12000 shows online at www.otr.net free

[Maxwell] I knew you knew I was going to say it.

[Laura Leff] And I knew that you knew that I knew...well, whatever.

[Brad from Georgia] That's what I like about the Sal.

[Laura Leff] Sal Hepatica will deeply move you.

[ed] i am sure jack is there 700+ shows

[Maxwell] My Gal Sal Hepatica.

[ed] my pal sal

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Pedro Almadovar

[Brad from Georgia] "Something in the way she looks...moves me like no other Hepatica...."

[yhtapmys] I was just over at archive.org listening a Command Performance with Frank Nelson using his real voice.

[Maxwell] Any relation to Gunhild Carling?

[Brad from Georgia] Frank Nelson had a fake voice?

[Laura Leff] Yht - You can hear Frank early on using his regular voice on Benny shows.

[ed] really

[Maxwell] Yeeeeeeeeesssssssss?

[yhtapmys] Well, he's not in character.

[ed] oh

[KayLhota] yes, his normal voice is softer

[Brad from Georgia] I know, I know, just being silly

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Doubt it. Wrong country. Just another foreign-sounding name, and I like his work.

[yhtapmys] It took me a while to figure out who he was.

[Maxwell] Ah...Anything on YouTube?

[Laura Leff] His normal voice can actually be kind of sexy.

[Laura Leff] Got a good amount of bass to it.

[ed] like in the episode of suspense with william conrad at a radio station no less

[KayLhota] it is deep

[Brad from Georgia] Fisherman, eh?

[Laura Leff] Asleep in the deep.

[ed] death from the deep

[Laura Leff] Well, it's getting deep in here...

[Maxwell] Beeeewaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre....

[Brad from Georgia] The creep from the deep...

[yhtapmys] Phil Kramer was on it too, but he's pretty recognisable.

[Brad from Georgia] The sheep dip o' death...

[ed] veep in the deep

[Brad from Georgia] Or Jack's appearance: A Cheap in the Deep

[Laura Leff] Another june bug!

[ed] cheap'er by the dozen

yhtapmys is confused about the June bug talk.

[Brad from Georgia] I swear, these June bugs are like mushrooms!

[Maxwell] Like flies to....whatever.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Someone said we jump on gags like ducks on a june bug.

[Laura Leff] So when everyone grabs something and runs with it, it's a june bog.

[ed] july fly

[yhtapmys] Was that on the show tonight? I missed it then.

[Laura Leff] or bug even

[Maxwell] No, it was here.

[Brad from Georgia] Yht, a duck regards June bugs as rare delicacies. A duck, upon spotting a June bug, lays out a place setting and proceeds to dien.

[Laura Leff] Yht - No, someone just said it in passing.

[Brad from Georgia] dine;

[yhtapmys] OK.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Why did that come across sounding like Fred Allen?

[Maxwell] Dine-a....is there anyone fine-a....

[Brad from Georgia] I don't know, LL--must be catching.

[Maxwell] In the state of North Dakota....

[ed] in the state of confusion

[Laura Leff] Come back to the five and dine-a, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean

[ed] sausage

[Brad from Georgia] Say, I used to catch June bugs. You could tie strings to them and they'd fly around your head. Hours of fun.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Are they very contagious?

[yhtapmys] Only in JUne

[Maxwell] And what is so rare as a bug in June....

[Brad from Georgia] You haven't been sick until you're broke out in June bugs.

[yhtapmys] I've never seen one.

[Laura Leff] I love it when we get into free association.

[Maxwell] They love bumping repeatedly into your window screens.

[KayLhota] it does get goofy

[Brad from Georgia] They're scarab beetles, emerald green and about an inch long. Harmless, but they smell like copper.

[Maxwell] June bugs, that is.

[yhtapmys] Must be an American thing.

[Laura Leff] May flies but June bugs

[Brad from Georgia] They frequent grassy meadows and cornfields.

[ed] one line-a-s nothing can be fine-a

[Laura Leff] Brad - They generally appear on the skin after a cut.

[Maxwell] It's a midwestern thing.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Think that's a chigger.

[Brad from Georgia] AKA redbug.

[Brad from Georgia] We called 'em the Red Menace.

[Laura Leff] Brad - No, scarab beetles.

[ed] careful of west nile no matter the bug

[Laura Leff] Sometimes I get a scarab after a cut.

[yhtapmys] Sigh.

[KayLhota] eek

[Brad from Georgia] I named my June bug "Ahab." Ahab the Scarab.

[Laura Leff] Swordfish

[yhtapmys] You wouldnt say that if you had your writers with you.

[ed] brad   

[KayLhota] oh my

[Laura Leff] Well, I suppose I should scarab some dinner here...

[ed] saw a swordfish on nature tonight

[ed] PBS

[Maxwell] Was it the password?

[KayLhota] goodnight Laura

Maxwell needs to leave, too.

[Brad from Georgia] BTW, I walk on the nature trail at college for exercise (while listening to OTR) and I note that our crop of amphibians is healthy this year.

[Maxwell] Good night everybody!

[Laura Leff] actually, we have to go to the gym. Insert your own joke here.

[KayLhota] everyone, thanks. I'm going to say goodnight

[yhtapmys] OK K

[KayLhota] it's been fun

[Brad from Georgia] Good night. I'll turn in myself! It's been grand....

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[ed] bye all

[Laura Leff] Night folks!

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[Laura Leff] Yht - Hanging on, eh?    

[yhtapmys] Confused.

[Laura Leff] About?

[yhtapmys] Ed was.

[yhtapmys] He was in and out.

[Laura Leff] I'm hoping he was having a good time anyway.

[yhtapmys] I've got a piece to write for the baseball programme so I should go, too.

[Laura Leff] OK...take care! Talk with you next month.

[yhtapmys] Get your shoulder better.

[Laura Leff] I certainly hope so.

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