IJBFC Chat - April 6, 2008

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[KayLhota] hi laura

[yhtapmys] Hi Laura

[Michael] Hi there Laura

[Maxwell] Hey LL. We were just talking about you behind your back.

[Laura Leff] Hi folks!

[KayLhota] how are your fellijng?

[Brad from Georgia] Hey, Laura!

[krledu] Hi Laura\

[KayLhota] feeling?

[ed] hi laura

[Maxwell] How are you feeling?

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Gee, should I even ask?

[Steve *shimp*] Hiya LL

[Michael] better we're all hoping

[krledu] It was all good concern

[Maxwell] Just concerned about your health.

[Laura Leff] I'm feeling better, thank you. The tip of my right index finger is still numb

[krledu] What was wrong?

[Laura Leff] But the pain in my shoulder and elbow have pretty much gone away.

[KayLhota] ouch, I hope you feel better soon

[Laura Leff] Pinched nerve

[krledu] Ouch

[Maxwell] Ouch!

[Laura Leff] Yeah, it was pretty uncomfortable

[krledu] Do I here an echo   

[Laura Leff] Thanks much for understanding...sorry that I just couldn't do it last month!

[Michael] there's an understatement if I've ever heard one

[ed] OUCH!!!\

[Laura Leff] Fortunately, I've been able to catch up on everything in the interim.

[Maxwell] That's good.

[Laura Leff] So how's everyone doing tonight?

[KayLhota] good

[Michael] doing fine

[Maxwell] Good

[krledu] Good, enjoying the spring weather

[Brad from Georgia] Doin' well. Just saw "Comedy in Bloom" on PBS.

[KayLhota] I am on my husband's leptop and I am not used to it

[yhtapmys] Just gettting off the phone.

[Laura Leff] Brad - What did you think?

[Maxwell] I've been watching that 40 episode DVD set.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - TV I presume?

[Maxwell] Yeah.

[Brad from Georgia] Nice little show. Nice to see the interviews with Joan and with Johnny Carson et al.

[Laura Leff] Anything we don't have in the library?

[Maxwell] I haven't double checked the library.

[KayLhota] I think you have it pretty well coverded

[Laura Leff] Brad - Yes, it was good (for what I remember, haven't seen it in a while). They called me for help on it back in 1991.

[Michael] I think it's all in the Library... I checked it when it showed here in Oklahoma

[Maxwell] It came at Jack Benny prices, though. My son gave it to me for my birthday.

[KayLhota] I haven't looked at my video of it in a few years

[Laura Leff] Fortunately, we had free HBO on our cable when it first aired (gift from the prior occupant and cable company).

[Brad from Georgia] Tom Smothers was the host. There were some vintage moments--Eddie Carroll uses several in the vido that precedes his show.

[Brad from Georgia] video

[KayLhota] we had HBO in those years

[krledu] Is there anyway to see the tv program via the internet or do you have to have HBO

[Laura Leff] One of the few things that can be shown on HBO and PBS without editing.

[KayLhota] I also have a tape of a Dick Cavett special with clips of Groucho and Jack Benny interviews

[Laura Leff] Krledu - It's copyrighted, so I'm not aware of anyone who's licensed to download it.

[Brad from Georgia] We no longer have HBO, but during a recent "free weekend" we discovered they're still showing the programs we remember from ten years ago when we did have HBO.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Ah, that's a good one.

[KayLhota] yeah

[yhtapmys] I gave away my TV.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Good for you.

[KayLhota] I haven't missed HBO much since we dropped it

[krledu] I don't own a TV either

[krledu] never have

[Brad from Georgia] My valet lost ours in a crap game.

[Steve *shimp*]  

[yhtapmys] Now cut that out!

[KayLhota] Funny Brad!


[Laura Leff] I just wait until HBO stuff comes out on DVD.

[Michael] who needs TV.... I got Radio :-)

[KayLhota] right, Michael!

[ed] mine will obsolete my 2-19-09 when TV goes digital

[Laura Leff] The pictures are better

[Steve *shimp*] Yeah, no cable here. I watch DVDs but usually just fall asleep when they're on.

[Laura Leff] Ed - A Muntz, eh?    

[Brad from Georgia] I tell ya, these kids today....not long ago I asked my class if they'd seen the lunar eclipse, and they asked which channel it was on.

[KayLhota] I've been listening to the Orson Welles series "Your Radio almanac"

[ed] oh boy

[krledu] wow thats kinda sad

[Laura Leff] Brad - Seriously, or joke?

[Brad from Georgia] Seriously.

[ed] wow brad...

[Laura Leff] I didn't just see the eclipse, I saw the whole show.

[KayLhota] seriously sad

[krledu] Speaking of Orsen Wells

[ed] orson welles came from springfield illinois where i am from

[krledu] I heard an interesting documentary on the Shadow and they talked about him. Did you have as big as an ego as he sounds like he has?

[ed] mom*

[Brad from Georgia] Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

[yhtapmys] I thought Brad was doing a routine from the Palace.

[Maxwell] I thought Welles was from Kenosha.

[Michael] I did too

[KayLhota] yes, he grew up in Wisconsin, as well

[ed] his mom

[Laura Leff] Krledu - Do *I* have as big an ego?

[krledu] no i meant does he

[krledu] sorry

[ed] i did not hit enough buttons

[yhtapmys] Laura, at least he made fun of his.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Very true.

[KayLhota] he had a sense of humor

[Brad from Georgia] Orson Welles was a perfectionist. Get hold of the audio of the commercial he was reading in which he vents his spleen about the quality of the writing.

[Laura Leff] How could anyone who was able to marry Rita Hayworth not have an ego?    

[Maxwell] Well, who does say IN July.

[Maxwell] ?

[yhtapmys] Brad, I do the same thing every day.

[Steve *shimp*] Apparently Welles wouldn't even rehearse the Shadow. He had a stand-in for rehearsals and did the show live on first read!

[KayLhota] wow, I hadn't thought of that, Laura

[krledu] The video of him doing his commercial drunk was pretty funny to

[ed] that's right steve

[krledu] They said Orsen only gave 1 hour to the show a week

[Laura Leff] Just floating a theory on this...

[krledu] For him it was just a stepping stone

[Laura Leff] Welles was highly-regarded for being a "boy genius"

[Laura Leff] and an intellectual, etc.

[yhtapmys] Well, I was a boy soprano.

[KayLhota] good one, yip

[Laura Leff] Basically the word "smart" was highly associated with him.

[krledu] He was smart and he knew it

[Laura Leff] And perhaps there was some sort of expectation that someone so highfalutin and intellecutal would act a bit snotty

[ed] he could laught the shadows laugh most of that was done by spme one else

[KayLhota] he wouldn't have been smart if he didn't know it

[ed] not laugh*

[Michael] yeah the laugh was done by Frank Readick if I recall correctly

[Laura Leff] So it's perhaps a bit of response to what the public expects you to be, so you become it.

[ed] it's been a while since i took typing class

[krledu] Michael- You were right

[Brad from Georgia] Welles did some very interesting but woefully underfunded movies fairly late in his career. "Chimes at Midnight" is a fascinating take on Shakespeare's "Henry IV" plays.

[Laura Leff] So since we're on the topic of Welles

[Laura Leff] We sometimes like to examine his work on the Benny show

[krledu] I don't know when this documentart was done but it had interviews with many different actors and producers associated with the show

[ed] he hosted for a while did he not?

[KayLhota] I love his work on the Jack Benny show, laura

[krledu] 4-5 shows

[Laura Leff] Ed - Right, when Jack had pneumonia

[Brad from Georgia] Hosted while Jack recuperated from pneumonia.

[krledu] I thought He was an odd choice to host though

[Michael] My favorite moment with Orson on Jack's show is where he messes up the Grape Nuts Flakes commercial   

[KayLhota] March of 1943

[Laura Leff] what do you think about how the supporting cast kind of satellites around him in awe?

[krledu] Who's real name was Edmond Arlington Brew?

[Laura Leff] Spangler Arlington Brugh

[ed] robert taylor

[Laura Leff] Robert Taylor

[KayLhota] Spangler Arlington Brough

[Brad from Georgia] I think Welles was an awfully good sport--playing up the "boy genius" facade for laughs.

[krledu] Oh I was thinking of a different program

[Maxwell] He was actually Polish. His last name was Brewski.

[Laura Leff] I'll drink to that.

[KayLhota] Robert Taylor played the cello with the Sportsmen commercial

(some loss)

[yhtapmys] I think so Krl.

[yhtapmys] He got women, booze.. but no pay.

[ed] bilko great show

[Laura Leff] So back to Yht's question about people around the mike

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie Anderson had a nice movie career, too. He was in "Cabin in the Sky," which was on TCM not long ago, very good film. And he was in "Gone With the Wind."

[Steve *shimp*] As to the mikes question, wasn't there a Jack and Mary mike, and then a second mike for the rest of the cast?

[Laura Leff] Not everyone was around the mike at all times. They move in and out as the script dictates.

[krledu] Though on one show in 42 Rochester got a big laugh before he said anything. I wish I knew what happened. It was during a minstrel show episode

[Laura Leff] Steve - Right. Star mike vs. supporting mike.

[yhtapmys] I wondered if Dennis couldnt be heard if he was just away in the wings.

[KayLhota] Phil would leave to do his own show

[Michael] Brad... you'll want to see Rochester in Buck Benny Rides again

[Laura Leff] Yht - Take a look at the film clip from Camp Haan and you can see this.

[Laura Leff] Yht - That's a good thought...not sure.

[Brad from Georgia] Michael--I have the movie--Jack gave Roch' all the best lines!

[Laura Leff] Brad - And in Man About Town.

[Michael] and the dance sequence is spectacular

[krledu] What I want to know is how they did it with kids in the cast? Did they have to lower the microphone for them?

[ed] as he did to all the guest

[KayLhota] it sure is!

[Michael] in the hotel that is

[Laura Leff] Krl - Ah, glad you asked.

[KayLhota] boxes?

[Brad from Georgia] In the Atlanta Radio Theatre, we raise the kids.

[Maxwell] On the New Year's '56 show the kid stood on a box.

[krledu] I love the show where the Beavers imitate the show. That is my favorite show!

[Laura Leff] All the kids had their own "box" that they would move in, place quietly on the floor, and then climb up on it.

[KayLhota] aww

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, we do the same on ARTC shows!

[krledu] Wow how do you know all this stuff Laura

[yhtapmys] Yeah, changing them all the time during the show would be disruptive.

[Brad from Georgia] So Stuart Canin was boxed on the episode we listened to?

[Steve *shimp*] The box is so that if they screw up, you can bury them in it.

[Laura Leff] Krl - That I know from interviewing Belly Laugh Barton.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Probably.

[krledu] The kid who played Stevie was a great kid actor

[Michael] true

[Laura Leff] And other Beavers for that matter.

[Brad from Georgia] "Well, no WONDER the kid can play 'The Bee.' I could too if I had a box."

[KayLhota] good one brad

[Laura Leff] Krl - The characters changed names around...was that Johnny McGovern?

[ed] and mary catching that football in the t-giving episode

[krledu] I don't remember. I looked it up but have forgotten

[Laura Leff] Krl - Was he the one who played Jack in the Beaver recreation of the show?

[krledu] Yes

[Laura Leff] That's Johnny McGovern. Nice guy.

[Michael] What I'd like to know is what was the deal with making Abe Lyman the "Tough Guy"

[krledu] He played several shows and I recognize his voice

[Brad from Georgia] I've read so many times that Stuart played 'Flight of the Bumblebee,' which is a different piece--Rimsky-Korsakov, I think. 'The Bee' is Shubert.

[Laura Leff] Michael - Well, that's sort of in line with what they did with Don Bestor.

[Michael] Ok

[Laura Leff] He's got a good voice for it.

[krledu] I thought Don was the intellectual type

[Brad from Georgia] Don didn't have a box. Well, he did, but he went through it.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Other way around. He played Schubert's "The Bee". But it's not Franz Schubert, another Schubert.

[Laura Leff] Maybe Q-bert.

[Maxwell] Bill Schubert

[yhtapmys] Orving Schubert.

[Maxwell] Rainbow Schubert

[Laura Leff] Krl - Oh, you're right...I meant...um...Frank Black I think.

[Michael] and made the Bee Public Insect # 1.... oops wait that was Jack

[Brad from Georgia] Bubba Schubert. Inventor of the Pinapple Sherbet. A grand dessert you can make from Jell-O and old boots.

[krledu] I thought that Don Bestor never really fit in the cast as well as the others did

[Steve *shimp*]  

[Laura Leff] Sounds delicious.

[KayLhota] I was saying earlier that the episode where Jack plays The Bee is one of my favorites

[Brad from Georgia] That was the preceding show, right, LL?

[krledu] He does a pretty decent job of playing it to

[Laura Leff] Yes...he really does it!

[Michael] and the plenty of money and you bit is an old forgotten variation too

[KayLhota] especially when he slides into "With Pleny of Money and You"

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'd have to look it up. It was maybe a week or two before this month's show.

[Brad from Georgia] "Plenty of Money" put me right in mind of

[Brad from Georgia] Warner Bros. cartoons.

[KayLhota] the previous week

[Laura Leff] Or Plenty O'Toole from a mediocre James Bond movie...

[Maxwell] That's because it was from one of the WB produced Golddiggers movies.

[KayLhota] it's from "Golddiggers of 1937"

[Laura Leff] Oh, here come the turkeys

[Michael] is it Thanksgiving already?

[Maxwell] I thought the turkeys were already here.    

[Steve *shimp*] we've been here awhile.

[KayLhota] gobble

[Brad from Georgia] For anything dealing with moolah or spondulucks, Warner Bros. used either "Plenty of Money" or "We're in the Money."

[Laura Leff] Yeah yeah...for the uninformed, we have wild turkeys around our house.

[yhtapmys] Still?

[Laura Leff] spondulucks?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Every year.

[Maxwell] And don't forget anything with food: "A Cup of Coffee, A Sandwich, and You.'

[yhtapmys] Any named Tallulah?

[Brad from Georgia] I have a little Wild Turkey around the house, too...in case of snakebite.

[Laura Leff] It's mating season. A big Tom sat under my window on Friday and gobbled on a conference call.

[Maxwell] I could use some Wild Turkey about now.

[Laura Leff] Insert Phil Harris joke here.

[Brad from Georgia] Spondulucks used to be a slang term for dough. Jack. Scratch. The green stuff.

[Steve *shimp*] I keep some around for municipal porpoises (/lisa douglas)

[Laura Leff] Well, we have prohibitions against transporting underage gulls across sedate lions for immortal porpoises.

[Michael] (am wondering when the Thing will show up)

[Laura Leff] But seriously folks...

[KayLhota] yes?

[Steve *shimp*] Speaking of illicit substances and money, has anyone seen THE CRACK BENNY show on youtube?

[krledu] Speaking of Phil Harris I ran across an interesting reference to him

[Laura Leff] I've never heard of spondulucks

[yhtapmys] No.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Huh?

[Brad from Georgia] Well, some of us are barely over 39, you know...barely.

[Michael] I've never heard of spondulucks either

[Laura Leff] Oh dear, is this like The Jet Benny Show?

[Steve *shimp*] It is very odd, definitely not for all tastes. It is a guy who does Jack and Roch with puppets in his living room. Very SOUTH PARK inspired.

[krledu] I found a golf issue that said that Phil Harris and Bing Crosby were members of this country club and course.

[Steve *shimp*] Better than Jet Benny, way worse than Jack Benny!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh........my.........

[Steve *shimp*] Yeah, it is Roch running crack errands for an addict Jack. Weird stuff, but, hey, it's youtube!

[Brad from Georgia] Actually, I've been misspelling the word...it's spondulics, apparently.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Oh yes, Phil used to do appearances at golf tournaments.

[KayLhota] yick

[ed] in the press box a lot

[Maxwell] Brad, that explains why we've never heard of it. Now that you've spelled it correctly....

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, that's just.........strange.........

[krledu] The story goes that coming home from partying one night at the club that the police stopped them.

[Maxwell] I still never heard of it.

[yhtapmys] It's a town in Wisconsin.

[krledu] Crosby's son was driving and he was on 14

[Steve *shimp*] Worth a quick look, maybe not entire episodes. You get the point after a few minutes.

[Maxwell] Ah, right next ot Fond du Lac!

[yhtapmys] Oh, that's Fond du Lac.

[Laura Leff] I never knew Fond du Lac was a slang term for money.

[Brad from Georgia] See, this is what I get for reading obscure pulp authors of the thirties. I'm probably the only one here who calls a .45 automatic a Roscoe, too.

[Laura Leff] I thought it was a Swedish dish.

[Maxwell] LL That's meatballs.

[yhtapmys] Is a .22 a Wortle?

[Steve *shimp*] It sounds like a moisturizer.

[KayLhota] I knew Roscoe was a slang word for gun

[Brad from Georgia] I thoutht it meant, "I like the lake."

[Laura Leff] Fond du Lac Cold Cream

[Brad from Georgia] Okay, Kay--what's a buzzer?

[Maxwell] No, that's Pond du Lac.

[KayLhota] I don't know that

[Laura Leff] Pond du Lac Cold Cream

[KayLhota] gun: gat, rod

[Laura Leff] or Pond of the Lake

[Brad from Georgia] Polcieman's badge, doll. A shield, a tin star, a gleamer.

[Brad from Georgia] "I let the gunsel lamp my buzzer, then pulled my roscoe on him."

[Laura Leff] Ah that's right, it's the free association crowd.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Hey, let's keep it family friendly now.

[KayLhota] we're going that way, Laura

[Maxwell] I'm going to Fond du Lac

[Brad from Georgia] Of course, "gunsel" is a naughty word, though the censors didn't know that when they let Bogart get away with saying it in "The Maltese Falcon."

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Because you're fond of it?

[Maxwell] There's a song title there somewhere.

[Michael] Am wondering.... why did Mary head for new york a week before the rest of the gang?

[KayLhota] to shop?

[Laura Leff] I wrote a song (while in Indiana) called "I'm Going to Wish Again I Was in Michigan"

[Brad from Georgia] A song on the show reminded me of "When You Say 'I Beg Your Pardon...'"

[Laura Leff] Michael - Probably to go shopping

[Maxwell] LL Isn't that a line from an Irving Berlin song?

[krledu] Michael- when?

[Michael] ok.... so it wasn't for anything serious

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That's "I Want to Go Back to Michigan"

[Steve *shimp*] Oh Why Oh Why Oh Did I Ever Leave Ohio?

[Maxwell] Ah...

[Brad from Georgia] Aren't there two "Back Home Again in Indiana" songs?

[Laura Leff] When You're In You're In in Indiana (Nora Bayes on blue label Columbia)

[Maxwell] No good songs about Illinois, though.

[KayLhota] Let's go slumming, take me slumming,

[KayLhota] Let's go slumming on Park Avenue

[yhtapmys] Max, Chicago gets all of them.

[Michael] Not Illinois.... just Chicago

[Laura Leff] That toddlin town

[Maxwell] Yeah... that's the problem.

[Laura Leff] I'm Going to Wield in Springfield

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, Kay, Fox Movie Channel showed "On the Avenue" recently, in which that song is featured, along with the Ritz Brothers.

[ed] i am heading up to des plaines near chicago for an OTR convention in august

[KayLhota] yes, and it was featured on Tonight's Jack Benny program

[Brad from Georgia] The Ritz Brothers...they cracker me up.

[Laura Leff] You know, there's a publication that several people in this crowd would probably like

[Laura Leff] Ed - Who's doing an OTR convention there?

[Maxwell] Des Plaines is just north of where I live.

[Laura Leff] It's Leonard Maltin's "Movie Crazy"

[ed] he sent me an e-mail in dec bob acosta

[KayLhota] I lived in Park Ridge when I was little

[krledu] When does the next Benny Times come out?

[Laura Leff] He does a lot on movies and stars of the 1930s.

[Laura Leff] Krl - I have to work on it. Some time this month

[yhtapmys] I imagine typing's been a pain Laura

[Maxwell] yht I imagine literally.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Been trying to avoid doing more than I have to, and work takes up most of that.

[krledu] cool

[Laura Leff] But I'm much better.

[Laura Leff] And trying to maintain good posture when I do.

[Laura Leff] So we started to go there earlier,

[Laura Leff] What did folks think about the show for tonight?

[KayLhota] it's interesting, and I like Stuart Canin

[Laura Leff] (I have to admit I didn't listen to it...was working up to 45 minutes prior to chat).

[Michael] was a good set up for the show with Fred Allen

[Maxwell] I could barely make out what Shlepperman was saying.

[Brad from Georgia] Very entertaining, though Kenny Baker makes me wish there was someone like Dennis Day around.

[Steve *shimp*] All right. I miss the rest of the cast in the NY shows.

[Brad from Georgia] Shlepperman was uncharacteristically hard to understand on this show.

[Steve *shimp*] Abe Lyman was pretty funny haranguing Jack. Foreshadows many Mel Blanc bits in some ways.

[KayLhota] I like the previous show, and the next one better, Laura

[Michael] I agree with Kay

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, I was thinking about using the next week's show instead.

[yhtapmys] There's phasing.. like it was on a bad reel-to-reel.

[Maxwell] Lots of surface noise in Shlep's part of the show.

[Brad from Georgia] I actually thought Stuart sounded a little like Shlepperman!

[Laura Leff] Yht - Phasing?

[Maxwell] Sounded like surface noise from a disc to me.

[Laura Leff] I have wondered if Abe Lyman maybe coached Stuart Canin a little!

[KayLhota] well, when can we hear the next show, Laura?

[yhtapmys] Yeah, this was from a reel-to-reel and there were either motor or capstan problems.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Do you want me to use the next week's show for next month?

[Michael] that would be good

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, please.

[yhtapmys] So the tape isn't going across the heads properly.

[KayLhota] oh, that would be good!

[Laura Leff] OK, will do.

[krledu] What is the date for that show?

[Michael] 3/14/37

[KayLhota] my friend mary will be pleased, she being a Fred Allen fan

[krledu] thanks

[Laura Leff] Someone spent a lot of time taking first generation copies from Jack's transcription discs

[Laura Leff] Then I caught up with them last November and asked them about it

[yhtapmys] This doesn;t sound like it's direct from a disc.

[Laura Leff] But unfortunately, they're in a place that can't be accessed right now due to a hazmat situation that has no ETR.

[Maxwell] They need to use the technology that Archaeophone uses on old cylinders to clean them up.

[yhtapmys] Oh, lord.

[KayLhota] can you translate that?

[Laura Leff] Kay - hazmat and ETR?

[krledu] Does Jack's collection of shows not have many of the early '30

[krledu] s shows

[Brad from Georgia] They keep them in the same place as the master copy of "The Horn Blows at Midnight," then?

[KayLhota] yes, please.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Did you hear the 1860 recording recently?

[yhtapmys] Kay, hazardous materials.

[Maxwell] LL Yeah. Amazing!

[yhtapmys] ETR is a team that comes in to dispose of them.

[Steve *shimp*] I heard that 1860 recording as well, fascinating

[Laura Leff] Krl - No, most of those are either in bad shape or not there.

[Maxwell] I played it for my physics class, and they were like, "Eh...."

[Laura Leff] No, ETR = Estimated Time to Resolution/Restoral

[Michael] a genuine recording from 1860???

[yhtapmys] !

[Brad from Georgia] It was a--what, sonaudiograph?

[Laura Leff] Michael - yeah, seriously? Like 18 years before Edison.

[Steve *shimp*] Yes. It's only a few seconds of someone singing a French folk song.

[yhtapmys] My buddy is on an ERT team that takes care of hazmat spills.

[Maxwell] Michael Take from a phonoautogram.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Something like that.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Oh, I stand corrected then!

[Michael] wow... where can I go to hear this?

[Brad from Georgia] Not originally intended to be a playable recording, just a visual record of sound waves.

[yhtapmys] No, Laura, you could be right.

[Laura Leff] Michael - It's on line

[yhtapmys] It could have two meanings.

[yhtapmys] I

[yhtapmys] I'm speaking Canadian, you know.

[Michael] ok.... I suppose I'll have to look around for it

[Laura Leff] Yht - ETR is something we used in both telecom and software for when something goes down, what the ETR is.

[yhtapmys] An ERT is an Emergency Response Team.

[Steve *shimp*] Link to the 1860 recording: http://www.firstsounds.org/sounds/index.php

[Laura Leff] Michael - Search for 1860 recording French and you'll probably find it.

[Laura Leff] Cool, Steve.

[Michael] thanks

[yhtapmys] Steve, was that the thing played on the news last week? The woman singing?

[Maxwell] What I can't figure out is why they couldn't clean up the voice recording anywhere as much as they did the tuning fork.

[KayLhota] I read about that early recording.

[Maxwell] yht Yeah.

[yhtapmys] I didn't play it on my show because I couldn't understand it.

[Laura Leff] Anyhow, the recordings are at the Pacific Pioneer Broadcaster's basement archive, which had some kind of underground explosion nearby so no one's been able to go in there for a long time.

[krledu] You can't make out much of it

[Steve *shimp*] Yeah, it's really rough. But historically fascinating, the first recorded human voice.

[Maxwell] You can make out the words "Au Claire de la Lune" though.

[krledu] When did they first start the coast to coast hook ups for radio?

[yhtapmys] That's a horror, Laura.

[Laura Leff] I think it's just mind-blowing that they were able to "untranslate" the line back into sound.

[Maxwell] The earliest previous recording of a voice that is playable was 1878.

[yhtapmys] All those damned discs doing nothing.

[Maxwell] You can find that at www.tinfoil.com

[Laura Leff] Krl - You mean when did they start recording for the rebroadcast?

[Steve *shimp*] Although, archaeologists have actually been able to reconstruct a few snippets "recorded" by styli impressions on pottery made on pottery wheels, actually.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Yeah, I was pretty bummed.

[Steve *shimp*] Not clear voices as far as I know tho.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Seriously?

[Laura Leff] Steve - How old are we talking about?

[Michael] Yeah Steve I've heard that one too

[Steve *shimp*] Yes, I've seen it demonstrated. Roman/Greek period stuff.

[Laura Leff] Whoa

[Laura Leff] Krl - Did I reinterpret your question correctly?

[Brad from Georgia] "A funny thing happened to me on my way to the pottery, Marcus. A plebeian told me he hadn't had a bite in days." "What did you do, Publius?" "I bit him."

[Laura Leff] Steve - That's as mind-blowing as the little battery they had from that period, presumably for electroplating.

[krledu] No when did they first start broadcasting so that the east coast could here what was broad cast on the west coast of vice versa

[Laura Leff] Krl - That was pretty early, I think.

[Laura Leff] In fact, I think they had coast-to-coast links back to Jack's start in radio.

[Brad from Georgia] "Remember, friends, and Romans, Jell-O comes in one delicious flavor--gelatin."

[krledu] Does anyone happen to know about what year by any chance?

[yhtapmys] Greek? Wasn't one Parkyakarkas?

[KayLhota] there is a website of newspaper radio pages that provides some of that info

[Laura Leff] barley flavored Jell-O

[Steve *shimp*] Rotten fish, more likely!

[krledu] what is that website Kay?

[Brad from Georgia] Barely barley at that.

[KayLhota] jj

[Maxwell] Barley Baer.

[Laura Leff] Krl - I've never heard anything about a recording having to be transported for those radio broadcasts the way they had to for early TV

[KayLhota] I'm sorry i can't remember the web address

[KayLhota] jj jonz is in it somewhere

[Laura Leff] Although Amos n Andy did have their syndication packages, so it could be done.

[KayLhota] the papers are LA, Chicago, NY andWashington

[Maxwell] AnA were doing that before 1930.

[yhtapmys] Laura, as far as I know, only syndicated shows got bicycled.

[KayLhota] from 1930 to 1960

[krledu] ok well if you remember it let me know. I am interested in early radio broadcast and finding out information on them

[yhtapmys] I don't think network ones did.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Right, but it was intentional, not because they lacked a hookup.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Right, that's what I was thinking.

[yhtapmys] I'd have to check though.

[Michael] didn't the Phone company come into play with this somehow?

[Maxwell] Right. That's why they moved from WGN to WMAQ. WGN wouldn't let them do it.

[Laura Leff] The networks would already have had their connection.

[yhtapmys] Well, and subconnections.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - There you go.

[krledu] WMAQ? Chicago?

[yhtapmys] NBC had a string of stations in the Pacific Northwest with their own hookup.

[ed] yes

[Laura Leff] Michael - Yes...this is a set of facts that I've heard people tell over and over but I haven't yet been able to commit it to memory.

[krledu] Though I reconized it

[Michael] ok

[Maxwell] krledu Yeah. They started in Chicago on WGN as Sam 'n' Henry.

[Michael] in the mid 20's

[Laura Leff] And when they switched to WMAQ, they had to change the name because WGN said they owned Sam n Henry

[krledu] WGN is still broadcasting from State Street

[ed] also had a comic strip in the tribune

[Maxwell] krledu Michigan Ave.

[Laura Leff] And I've got a book of their scripts from about 1926.

[Michael] the Gumps if I recall correctly

[Maxwell] Tribune Tower.

[krledu] NO State Street

[Maxwell] Tribune Tower is on Michigan.

[krledu] Yes but WGN is on State Street

[Maxwell] And for a number of years they were on Bradley Place, north of Addison t.

[Laura Leff] This is such an informed group. I'm always impressed.

[KayLhota] I know.

[Maxwell] WGN is in Tribune Tower on Michigan.

[ed] the trib has until this year owned WGN

[Brad from Georgia] I didn't even know there was a State Street.

[krledu] I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one

[KayLhota] I was born in chicago, but I've lived mostly just outside of Boston

[Laura Leff] BRB

[Brad from Georgia] I've been to Chicago twice.

[Maxwell] They have a studio on Michigan Avenue that you can view from outside Tribune Tower.

[Michael] My hometown is St Louis.... loved Kenny's Telegram

[ed] i ve have seen the communications museum downtown twice before it closed

[krledu] They always say coming live from State Street that Great street in Chicago

[KayLhota] I wish I could have seen it

[Maxwell] krledu WLS is on State St.

[KayLhota] I haven't been to Chicago and park ridge since I left it in 1966

[ed] it's is planning to re-open once the funding from the state is complete

[Brad from Georgia] We're planning to visit San Antonio next week and visit Jim Cullum's "Jazz at the Landing" place.

[Maxwell] Brad When you see them tell the base player Hal Vickery says hi.

[ed] jazz live from the landing is a great show

[Brad from Georgia] It's "across the alley from the Alamo."

[ed] it plays locally here

[krledu] Ok Maxwell you are right. I was thinking WLS

[Brad from Georgia] I will, Max. Okay if I call him a bass player? I don't want to sound insulting.

[KayLhota] whew

[Maxwell] His name is Don Mopsick.

[krledu] Maxwell You from Chicago?

[Brad from Georgia] Hal Vickery is Don Mopsick?

[Maxwell] krledu Joliet.

[Maxwell] No, I'm Hal Vickery. Don Mopsick is the bass player.

[Laura Leff] OK, looks like the Michigan Ave. vs. State St. resolved itself in my absence...

[Brad from Georgia] Wait, wait, you are makink me fahrschemmelt.....

[Laura Leff] Who's on first?

[KayLhota] yes, Laura

[Maxwell] WGN: 333 N. Michigan.

[krledu] Ok, I am going to be up in Joliet next Sunday. That explains how you know Chicago

[yhtapmys] WGN Radio 435 N. Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60611

[Laura Leff] But who's putting on an OTR convention there?

[ed] i am from springfield

[Maxwell] Yeah...435.

[Brad from Georgia] Okay, got it. I thought Hal Vickery was their bass player, who was you. Got it now! Except who's Yehudi?

[krledu] I wish there was an OTR convention up there. I would be there in a heartbeat

[Michael] the little man who wasn't there Brad

[Maxwell] 333 West 35th St. is the White Sox. Got the numbers mixed in my head.

[ed] bob acosta at the marriott in des plaines

[Laura Leff] Yehudi is a men. You win.

[krledu] Go Sox!

[KayLhota] The little man who wasn't there, said he heard him on the air, no one seems to know from where, who's yehudi

[Laura Leff] Go Sox! Red!

[krledu] Boooo


[KayLhota] hey, I like the Red Sox

[ed] hey tampa scored 13 friday iam happy!!!

[Laura Leff] ed - Didn't you say you were going to an OTR convention around there in August?

[krledu] I am a die hard White Sox fan.

[Michael] leave us not mention the Red Sox said the Cardinals fan

[KayLhota] and the Chicago teaMS

[Maxwell] Brad If he doesn't remember me, tell him I'm the guy he got the comps for about a dozen years ago in Madison, WI and my son and I hung out with him. after their gig.

[ed] yes laura

[Laura Leff] Kay - I was at the opening day in Oakland.

[KayLhota] cool!

[krledu] Where at ED and whats the date?

[Laura Leff] Ed - So what's the story? Who's putting it on? Where and when?

[Brad from Georgia] Gotcha, Max. I just broke out Notepad to make a note so I won't forget!

[ed] august 7-10 at the marriott in des plaines

[Maxwell] Krledu www.flyingsock.com (I write a column for them. But I haven't for three weeks.)

[ed] bob acosta

[Laura Leff] Who's the sponsor?

[KayLhota] michael, the Cards won the world series a few years ago, right?

[Michael] two years back Kay

[ed] he is as far as i know

[KayLhota] 2006?

[Laura Leff] Bob Acosta is sponsoring an OTR convention?

[KayLhota] yes

[ed] yes

[Michael] yes Kay

[Laura Leff] Isn't he a television sportscaster and interviewer?

[Michael] should have won it in 2004 too....

[KayLhota] oh well

[Maxwell] LL That's Bob Costas.

[krledu] Doesnt a radio station come from there that puts on ballroom music and old time radio shows on Saturaday

[Maxwell] krledu: WDCB

[ed] i will e-mail him and make sure and check back in with you next month about it

[Maxwell] www.wdcb.org

[krledu] Yea, I used to listen to them all the time when I was up in Chicago

[ed] chuck schaden's home

[Laura Leff] Ed - OK. I've just not heard of a convention there, but more power to him!

[Maxwell] ed You got it!

[krledu] though it didn't come through very clearly

[yhtapmys] October 1935 - WGN dedicates its new home, a four-story building built as an addition to Tribune Tower. (This is the current Hammacher Schlemmer store at the corner of Michigan and Illinois.)

[Laura Leff] Since it looks like SPERDVAC is going down after May, then we need more.

[KayLhota] Radio Classics in Brockton MA is coming in MAY

[Laura Leff] Ohhhhhhh....at Chuck's house. Now that makes sense.

[Laura Leff] Shame about SPERDVAC. I can't go to the last one

[ed] chuck and I have met twice nice guy really nice

[KayLhota] that is shameful, Laura

[Laura Leff] Ed - Yes, Chuck is a very nice guy.

[krledu] why is it going down?

[ed] and he knows his OTR!!!

[Maxwell] krledu WDCB is in Glen Ellyn, and it's on the same frequency as the U of I's station WILL, so there's a lot of interference with it on the fringes.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Because the people who want a convention got voted off the board. And the people who are left don't want one.

[krledu] Thats sad

[Laura Leff] So no more SPERDVAC convention.

[KayLhota] that's awful

[ed] will home of jazz at the landing

[Michael] very

[yhtapmys] Politics. Hurrah   

[Brad from Georgia] Oh, no! I really liked visitng SPERDVAC--wish I could be there for the last one!

[KayLhota] how is SPERDVAC going to grow to the next generation?

[Laura Leff] So it's New Jersey, Cincy, and Seattle. And now Des Plaines, I guess.

[ed] seattle still has a good OTR convention

[Laura Leff] Kay - At the risk of making a political statement, they're not.

[ed] member of their group but have never been there

[krledu] I wish there were more OTR conventions in the Midwest

[Laura Leff] I still need to see the photos of Eddie and me from Seattle.

[Michael] me too

[ed] same here

[Laura Leff] Krl - Sounds like you've got two of them now!

[krledu] I heard the one in Des Plaines where is the other one at? I missed it

[Maxwell] Cincy

[krledu] When is that one?

[KayLhota] Darn, now I can't get the song, "Who's Yehudi" out of my head!

(some loss)

[Steve *shimp*] Somewhere online there are some original TV tags when Jack was back with General Foods - funny to see him working for Jello in the '60s.

[Laura Leff] Assuming Don in the background is not a multitracking problem

[Steve *shimp*] There were 12 flavors added by then!

[yhtapmys] I still dont understand what he's hearing.

[Laura Leff] They'd have to have taken the volume down on the studio and opened the line for the announcer who's clearly in a booth somewhere

[Laura Leff] Or prerecorded

[krledu] would one be for a certain audience like the east coast specifically

[Maxwell] LL Like they did on the Lucky shows, right?

[Laura Leff] But I don't think they would have prerecorded then, because it would have had to be on disc. No mag tape then.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Right.

[krledu] Sometimes even the anouncer flubs it like one time it was bad

[Laura Leff] Krl - It's possible that they were doing different commercials for different target markets or coasts.

[ed] president hoover's flub

[krledu] interesting stuff

[ed] harry von zell

[yhtapmys] Laura, is he hearing two spots?

[Laura Leff] I'm trying to remember what I saw in the scripts. I think Jell-O was the only one I recall right now that segmented that. But I could easily be wrong.

[Laura Leff] Yht - I'm assuming you get a really low track of Don's voice with a full volume alternate announcer.

[Maxwell] yeah, they did that for Jell-o ice cream powder when they were test marketing it.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Exactly.

[ed] gag

[yhtapmys] And this is from an original recording of the show?

[Laura Leff] Jell-O Freezing Mix

[krledu] i believe so

[yhtapmys] Hmm.

[krledu] I got it from vicandsade.net

[Laura Leff] That recording was just to, like, New York/New Jersey I think.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Seriously, send me an E-mail with a couple dates. I'm curious to rehear this, because it's not ringing much of a bell for me.

[Maxwell] Wow! That station in Antioch is truly a low power station. 1/2 mile range.

[yhtapmys] Me neither.

[Laura Leff] Not saying it's not there, just may be having a senior moment.

[krledu] Another intersting thing I found was that some of the early Benny shows were from New Orleans. Why were they there do you know

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - The powerful little five-watter down in Antioch.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Yes, they did some of the Canada Dry shows from there. Bizarre, I know.

[Laura Leff] When I first saw that in the scripts, it left me scratching my head.

[krledu] Seems kinda far out.

[yhtapmys] Was Benny shooting something there?

[Maxwell] LL That's when Ted Weems took over from George Olson, right?

[Laura Leff] I honestly don't know. It would have been late 1932, if memory serves.

[yhtapmys] Or doing a tour?

[krledu] Sorry I know this seems like 20 questions.

Maxwell tries to remember his stuff from 39 Forever.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That's right. You're on your game tonight!

[Laura Leff] Krl - No, that's fine. Hey, it's part of the reason for these chats.

[krledu] But how do you know what was the show was about if you didn't have a show or a script to work from in 39 forever?

[KayLhota] yes, this has been interesting to me

[Laura Leff] I'm going to have to scan Variety at the time. I'd bet you they have a column explaining it.

[Laura Leff] Krl - I always had something, with the exception of Mary's first appearance.

[KayLhota] good idea

[Laura Leff] Which left me spiritually howling on the floor in a fetal position.

[krledu] I'm sure

[Laura Leff] I turned the divider in the bound scripts and saw that one was missing.

[ed] laura has any of jack's grand kids ever speak of him?

[KayLhota] oh man

[Laura Leff] My heart just stopped. Of all the shows to be missing!

[Laura Leff] Ed - Sure. In fact I was in touch with one of them yesterday.

[krledu] I wonder why that one would be missing

[ed] great

[yhtapmys] Maybe he was helping Katrina victims   

[Laura Leff] Krl - Here's my guess. Probably when writing one of the books, someone (either Jack or Mary) wanted to pull it to refer to the first time Mary appeared. And then it never got back in the book.

[KayLhota] maybe they couldn't get the pages back together

[Laura Leff] Yht - Talk about being proactive

[krledu] Wow thats to bad about the script

[yhtapmys] Well, Jack always did his bit for charity   

[Laura Leff] There are a lot of boxes in the collection I haven't gone through. So I'm hoping to find it elsewhere some day.

[ed] especially the heart association

[krledu] Ya know I need to write down a list of questions I have. Cause when I listen to the shows I think of questions but forget when chat times comes around

[KayLhota] I'll cross my fingers for luck for you, Laura

[Laura Leff] "75 years from now, this place will be decimated. So I'd better go give them some laughs..."

User Hal "Dimples" Block has entered this room.

[ed] hi dimples

[KayLhota] Hi Hal

[yhtapmys] Laura, just don

[krledu] Hi Hal

[Maxwell] Hi "Dimples"

[Laura Leff] Hello Hal!

[yhtapmys] 't spill some hazardous chemicals.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Yeah, no kidding!

[Hal "Dimples" Block] Hello

[yhtapmys] We'll never see the stuff then.

[Maxwell] Hi LL...oh, wait, I'm Maxwell here....

[Laura Leff] Oh crap, someone stored chlorine gas next to Jack's scripts!    

[krledu] Will a book ever be published of just scripts?

[yhtapmys] Yeah. It can be called Treadmill to Waukegan.

[KayLhota] not one book, but volumes!

[Maxwell] Give Laura time. She still has to do a TV version of 39 Forever.

[krledu] And what ever happen that manuscript some wrote but had never been published about Jack,

[Laura Leff] Krl - You know, I was thinking about that a little earlier in the chat. I've thought about it for the Canada Dry series.

[yhtapmys] What a shame those shows arent around.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yeah, some day. Now I'm in a long-term position with my company so who knows when I'll get time.

[yhtapmys] DAmned Canadians.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Oh, George Balzer's autobiography?

[KayLhota] we can wait, laura.

[ed] the stuff is made in texas

[Steve *shimp*] The scripts might be cool as a CD-rom to handle the volume.

[yhtapmys] Hmm.

[krledu] The early shows are not really that funny to me but its interesting seeing how running gags and jokes got started

[krledu] ya

[krledu] Thats the one LL

[Laura Leff] Yht - Yes, although listen to the audible shows of 1933 and you get a sense of what they were.

[KayLhota] yes, the way the shows sdeveloped

[Laura Leff] Steve - That's an interesting thought.

[krledu] The different characters like Frank Parker had characteristics of later characters

[Laura Leff] All of 1935 is a really good "missing" run.

[yhtapmys] Well, I get a good idea from your synopses too.

[Laura Leff] You can see how Jack got started with Love In Bloom.

[KayLhota] I noticed that on the3 surviving shows from 1935

[ed] he really hated that song didn't he?

[krledu] Any way, what about Balzar's autobiography?

[Laura Leff] Yht - That's good. Was trying to aim for that, so that you get a feel for what's there without reading the whole thing.

[KayLhota] he didn't hate the song, but didn't thinhk it was a good theme

[Laura Leff] Ed - He liked it as a song, but not as his theme song.

[ed] oh

[Laura Leff] Krl - I'm still reading the second half of it. Got busy with work and stalled out.

[krledu] That song would get on anybody's nerves after a while

[Laura Leff] Let's face it...LIB is a pretty sappy song.

[ed] true

[Laura Leff] Krl - Oh I assure you... it does.    

[krledu] oh i see Laura Leff

[Maxwell] Still I can't hear the song without thinking of Jack.

[Laura Leff] Hey Hal, what's on your mind this evening?

[Steve *shimp*] Just for fun - in another universe, what SHOULD have been Jack's theme song?

[Laura Leff] Just want to make sure we give you a chance to jump into the fray here...

[ed] and how about when richard widmark appeared on his his with dennis as his gangster crony

[KayLhota] "With Plenty of Money andYou?

[Laura Leff] Steve - You Always Hurt the One You Love

[ed] show*

[Hal "Dimples" Block] Not much, didn't get a chance to listen to the show for tonight's chat, but I'm sure I've heard it before

[Steve *shimp*] Heheheheh.

[Laura Leff] Meaning the violin

[yhtapmys] I wasn't crazy about Jack picking on the kid.

[krledu] Most of us didn't listen to it either

[Laura Leff] Hal - I'm in the same boat. We'll give you a "by".

[Maxwell] I listened to it tonight after hearing it in March.

[Hal "Dimples" Block] Jack's them "A Fistful Of Dollars"???

[Laura Leff] I thought the kid picked on Jack!

[ed] the episode with jack a dine

[Laura Leff] "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"

[ed] diner* gosh i hate typewriters

[yhtapmys] Laura, that and the Fred Allen episode just seem so out of character for him.

[Laura Leff] We're In the Money?

[Laura Leff] Yht - Stuart Canin, you mean?

[yhtapmys] Yeah.

[yhtapmys] Yelling at him about his age.

[yhtapmys] That doesnt strike me as Jack.

[Laura Leff] Well, here's why I think it's kind of OK, or can work...

[krledu] If I remember right, they didn't go over as very funny

[Laura Leff] Canin is giving as good as he's getting.

[KayLhota] I just remembered hearing the Fred Allen episode that followedit had Fred singing "Benny the Bully, Benny the Bully"

[Laura Leff] If Jack started yelling at one of the Beavers who has been talking about how Jack was a football hero and all

[Laura Leff] Then it wouldn't work. Jack would look like a bully.

[Laura Leff] Now, the caveat is that I haven't listened to the show in a while, so I'm going on old memory.

[yhtapmys] But normally, if Jack's getting lip, he doesnt react with anger.

[Laura Leff] NOW CUT THAT OUT!

[krledu] He normal acts more hurt

[yhtapmys] Yeah, he'll do that.

[krledu] than angry


[yhtapmys] So that's why the episode bothered me.

[Hal "Dimples" Block] Well......

[Maxwell] Well, the whole thing ends up being like a police interrogation, so it's played so broadly, I don't think he comes off as a bully.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Understood. I know when I've heard him in openly "mean" roles like "The Man Who Came to Dinner", it doesn't work.

[Maxwell] Hmmm...I liked The Man Who Came to Dinner.....

[Laura Leff] OK, so comedy's in the ear of the beholder.

[KayLhota] it's interesting

[krledu] Do you think Jack was stereotyped for one kind of role

[Laura Leff] You wouldn't say that if my writers were here!

[yhtapmys] I don't.. but on his show, he had a certain character.

[yhtapmys] Albeit, it evolved.

[krledu] That it was hard for him to branch out

[Laura Leff] See, that's kind of how Jack would come back. Sort of a very ineffective comeback.

[KayLhota] to a degree, yes

[Laura Leff] Krl - I think people *wanted* him to be a certain role.

[yhtapmys] I just can't picture his character yelling at Stuart Canin and saying "Grab him boys."

[Maxwell] The thing to remember, I think, is that Jack appeared as that character week in and week out for decades. He became so identified with it, he had to be pigeonholed by a lot of listeners.

[krledu] Thats what I mean, the public eye saw him as one type and didn't want him as anything else

[Laura Leff] And people *liked* the character.

[ed] stingy

[yhtapmys] Krl, that happens with everyone on TV.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Completely agree with you.

[ed] and he was not

[krledu] I like the late 40's shows where he broadens his character a little bit more

[krledu] I think those are some of the best shows

[yhtapmys] That's why no one can picture what the stars are really like when they get busted for things.

[Laura Leff] Yes, I think most people consider 1946-1950 the "golden age" of the Benny show.

[ed] 1950 shows and beyond

[Laura Leff] Yht - Like smuggling?

[krledu] He is still stingy but they try a lot of different scenarios

[KayLhota] geesh

[yhtapmys] Well, Jack was conned.

[yhtapmys] No, I mean today's stars.

[ed] did jack get in trouble about taxes once too?

[krledu] He was arguing with the IRS

[KayLhota] I was explaining the smuggling story to my friend Mary a few days ago

[Laura Leff] I've not expressed this opinion in the past, but yeah, I think Jack was conned as well.

[krledu] About taxes and his company

[Laura Leff] Or at least, "Don't worry, everyone does it, it's not a big deal." "Well, OK."

[KayLhota] what would he know?

[Maxwell] It wasn't really trouble with the taxes. The IRS and Jack had a dispute and Jack won.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Oh, the Amusement Enterprise deal?

[yhtapmys] Maxwell, the *lawyers* won.   

[Laura Leff] Well, Jack claimed it as capital gains and the IRS said it was straight income.

[ed] right max

[Maxwell] The lawyers always win.

[krledu] Yea

[Laura Leff] Someone recently E-mailed me the brief of that hearing.

[KayLhota] really?

[krledu] Wow where did they get that?

[yhtapmys] Must be online somewhere.

[krledu] Its amazing what you can find online if you dig for it

[Maxwell] Well, it's public record so it's gotta be somewhere.

[krledu] dig and dig and dig and dig

[ed] for sure

[Laura Leff] Not necessarily. Friend of a friend who's an accountant that collects celebrity tax/accounting cases for fun.

[Laura Leff] Not whatcha know, it's whoya know.

[KayLhota] yeah

[krledu] Wow thats kinda interesting

[Laura Leff] I've still got to read it.

[krledu] Did the brief shed any new light on the case?

[Laura Leff] Haven't read it yet. Need to. No time yet.

[Maxwell] Now you know how you'll be spending your vacation this year.

[Laura Leff] You know, it might be cool to do an article with snippets of the Gaslight case.

[Maxwell] LL Good idea!

[krledu] Does the Museum of Broadcasting in Chicaog have any Benny memorbilla? I know they have a display on him

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Well, funny you should mention that.

[Laura Leff] Krl - Some, but nothing unusual.

[Maxwell] krledu I'm not sure since they're not open right now.

[Laura Leff] I'm going to be in England and Ireland, and going to have a dinner for Benny UK-area members.

[krledu] Why not? Maxwell

[ed] sounds like fun laura

[Laura Leff] Krl - They closed and were going to open in a new place, then the deal fell through.

[krledu] Cool

[KayLhota] sounds wonderful

[Maxwell] They are building a new building, but the State of Illinois reneged on their funding.

[Laura Leff] People are coming from all over the UK for it.

[Laura Leff] Some from 400 miles away.

[krledu] I know on the radio they were begging for funds to finish the building

[Maxwell] I think they may have gotten the money, but it's still not open.

[ed] max are you suprised?

[Maxwell] ed Not in the least.

[Laura Leff] So no, I"m not going to be reading the court opinion on my vacation.

[Maxwell] They've been stealing from my pension plan.

[krledu] Mazwell did you hear those comercials where the guy is talking to the building?

[Maxwell] krledu No.

[ed] no

[krledu] Classic cheese

[Laura Leff] ?

[Maxwell] Yuck!

[krledu] cheesy

[Laura Leff] What is he saying to the building?

[krledu] stupid commercials that make you cringe

[ed] how the new geico commercials with mrs butterworth classic

[KayLhota] folks, I'm going to say goodnight and see you all next month?

[Maxwell] I liked it when Cliff Arquette played Mrs. Butterworth.

[Laura Leff] Take care, Kay!

[KayLhota] goodnight

[Maxwell] Good night Kay. See ya next month, I hope.

[krledu] Bye Kay

[ed] bye kaye

[Laura Leff] Oh building, you're so strong and handsome.

[krledu] When is it next month?

[Laura Leff] I know I can lean on you.

User KayLhota has logged out.

[Laura Leff] Krl - First Sunday.

[krledu] No the building is like look inside of me im big and strong and look what i got

[Laura Leff] Oh building, I know your door is always open for me.

[Maxwell] Next month is after the 30th of this month   

[Steve *shimp*] bye Kay. I am going to head on out as well, I'm multitasking here and the other tasks are taking over! Night all!

[krledu] they place snippets of I love Lucy and another show

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That's helpful.

[ed] cliff arquette excellent on hollywood squares

[Laura Leff] Have a good one, Steve!

[krledu] and The guy is like I can't believe I'm talking to a building. Its really corny

[Maxwell] So long Steve.

User Steve *shimp* has logged out.

[ed] bye steve

[Laura Leff] Krl - I'm not sure what's stranger...that or the Crack Benny Show.

[Laura Leff] Well, we're at the 2:00 mark and people seem to be peeling off

[ed] how much money did jack win on 64000 question

[Laura Leff] Anything more to talk about, or shall we call it good?

[Laura Leff] Ed - $64.

[Maxwell] $64.00

[ed] neat!!!

User Hal "Dimples" Block has logged out.

[ed] bye hal

[krledu] well see ya next month

[Maxwell] I was just watching the Hal March show the other day.

[krledu] bye everyone

[Maxwell] So long krledu.

[ed] bye krl

User krledu has logged out.

[Maxwell] Reminder to Laura: Gunhild Carling.

[ed] i have a hal march video

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Ah yes, another thing I haven't had time for.

[Laura Leff]  

[Maxwell] I'll keep reminding you.

[Laura Leff] One of these days.

[Laura Leff] Please do.

[Maxwell] You'll like her, I guarantee.

[Laura Leff] OK folks, thanks for stopping! See you next month!

[Maxwell] So long everybody!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I'm sure. So much to do.

User Maxwell has logged out.

[ed] bye laura bye max