IJBFC Chat - February 3, 2008

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[steve /shimp/] Hiya LL!

[Maxwell] Hey LL!

[Laura Leff] Hi folks!

[Brad from Georgia] Hail, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Gawrsh

[Maxwell] We have a new tag team entry this month...Kristine & Jean from NV.

[steve /shimp/] Golf ball sized hail, Laura!

[Laura Leff] Actually, it was hailing here earlier today

[Laura Leff] Welcome in Kristine and Jean!

[Brad from Georgia] Hail, hail, the gang's....aw, you know

[Laura Leff] Do you both have your hands on the keyboard at the same time?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Really windy here also. Thanks for the welcome.

[steve /shimp/] Where in NV K&J?

[Brad from Georgia] Kristine does the vowels, Jean the consonants. Punctuation is by coin toss.

[Maxwell] All we have here is snow on the ground.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] No, we take turns like in a relay race.

[Maxwell] I told you. They're a tag team.

[Laura Leff] Cool

[Laura Leff] Dan just asked if you're siamese twins

[Laura Leff] After the hail, the sun came out and it's been fairly nice

[Maxwell] We are Siamese if you please....

[Laura Leff] Now if I didn't have to work all day (except for now) then I'd really have something

[Laura Leff] So how's everyone doing?

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[steve /shimp/] Well.

[Laura Leff] Well, well...hello Phil

[steve /shimp/] Well!

[Brad from Georgia] We're getting light rain. My son and daughter-in-law just returned from Hawaii...they got to go there, we got to dog-sit their Jack Russell terrorists.

[Maxwell] Hi T.H.E. Drunkard. I loved you in The Drunkard.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] (adjusts his cape)

[steve /shimp/]  

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Hello, y'all

[Laura Leff] Phil Harris at T.H.E. Drunkard

[Brad from Georgia] Hi. Mind if we call you The?

[Laura Leff] as

[Maxwell] Or Drunk?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I wonder if kids today know about The Drunkard. If they would get the reference.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] You can call me The..you can call me Drunk...

[Laura Leff] So is anyone multitasking with the Soup Or Bowl?

[Maxwell] But ya doesn't has to call him Johnson.

[Brad from Georgia] Nope. I just finished dinner, though/

[Laura Leff] Kristine/Jean - Only the ones into theatre...

[Maxwell] Not I.

[steve /shimp/] I'm vaguely watching the score but not the game. It's halftime.

[Maxwell] Or into W.C. Fields.

[Laura Leff] Or Phil Harris

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I don't think kids would get it, Kristine

[Laura Leff] Or Foster Brooks

[Brad from Georgia] T.H.E. Drunkard in "Ten Nights in a Bar Room"

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Oh, was there some kind of sport on T.V. today?

[Laura Leff] But the fact that everyone in this room did tells you something about the crowd

[Maxwell] Yeah, we're completely out of touch with the entire world.

[Laura Leff] Kristine/Jean - That's what I heard at work. But I'm not watching it.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Yes, it's a good crowd!

[Laura Leff] So what did people think about the long-awaiting Beavers do Jack's show for tonight?

[Brad from Georgia] We prefer to think of ourselves as an unruly mob.

[Maxwell] So what is the score?

[steve /shimp/] Love it.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] 7--3, Pats

[Laura Leff] 10-0 Red Sox

[Maxwell] Same as when I left. Thanks.

[Brad from Georgia] Liked the show, LL. Very talented kids! Phil, Rochester, and Dennis especially.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Boo hiss, Laura

[Maxwell] I really enjoyed the show.

[steve /shimp/] Who is the Rochester kid? Amazing!

[Laura Leff] I just had tea and pastries with Dennis' mother, ya know...

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Yeah, the kids were pretty good, weren't they?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] It was great, and we were saying how talented the kids were.

[Maxwell] I thought the kid who sang Clancy was terrific.

[Laura Leff] I've got a photo of Jack with the kids from this show

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - That's Stuffy Singer

[Laura Leff] He's still terrific.

[Brad from Georgia] What's Stuffy up to these days?

[Maxwell] He should loosen up a bit.

[Laura Leff] He does investment planning

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Still, though, I kept thinking what those Dennis and Rochester lines would sound like if *they* were saying them

[Laura Leff] Seriously, I had tea and pastries at his mother's house when I was in LA a few weekends ago.

[Laura Leff] She gave me some FABULOUS tangerines

[Brad from Georgia] I think lots of the gags were recycled, weren't they, Laura?

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Were thery? I had no idea...

[Laura Leff] Brad - I'll be honest that I was working too much this weekend to relisten to the show, but I think at least some were.

[Maxwell] Some of them sounded familiar.

[Laura Leff] By this time they were doing more heavy recycling

[steve /shimp/] Yes, you have some dates for the recycled gags in 39 Forever.

[Brad from Georgia] I recognized a few. The kid playing Jack needed to work on his pacing a bit! But not everyone is born with Jack's timing.

[Laura Leff] I'm sure the cast did coaching with the kids

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Not many could repilcate his timing.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] But it does show how much the writing made the show

[Laura Leff] I think that was Johnny McGovern doing Jack, right?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] It definitely showcased the writers, I agree.

[steve /shimp/] "Mary" was the only one who truly sounded awkward to me.

[Laura Leff] That was Johnny's sister

[Laura Leff] Merry McGovern

[steve /shimp/] Merry Livingstone

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[Laura Leff] It's really, really, really hard to do Mary. Very, very deadpan.

[Laura Leff] Hi Yht!

[Maxwell] Hey yht!

[Laura Leff] Just take a script and try it yourself.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I've never heard anybody do that giggle

[Kristine & Jean in NV] It sounded like Jack and the real Mary covered for the little girl when they made they bloomers comment.

[yhtapmys] Hi, all. Wish me luck. I'm on a different wireless connection which keeps dying.

[steve /shimp/] Agreed. She sounded like she was reading more than the others though.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I can see that. Mary would be a very difficult voice to mimic.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Good luck, yht

[Laura Leff] Brad - It's also a lot to do with the delivery.

[Laura Leff] Yht - If you keep flipping in and out, we'll know why.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes--maybe Merry should have prerecorded her part from home....

[Laura Leff] Yht - Traffic at Starbucks, eh?    

[Laura Leff] Brad - Har har

[yhtapmys] Laura, you mean the show? Yeah, the timing helped with the 'shut up' joke.

[yhtapmys] Laura, I've been purloining someone's connection. They've moved. So I'm purloining someone else's connection and it's not as good.

[Laura Leff] Now, I've had a number of people over the years say that they really don't like the Benny show done by the Beavers

[Brad from Georgia] Funny, I always enjoy them myself.

[Maxwell] Same here, Brad

[yhtapmys] Snuffy is great.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Oh, know how that is. I've camped on a few unsecured wireless connections when visiting friends as well.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I work with kids, so it was fun for us on this end.

[steve /shimp/] Me too. I'm a Beavers fan.

[Laura Leff] Stuffy

[yhtapmys] Yeah. I'm blaming the connection   

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I don't care for them too much, but I liked this

[Laura Leff] Stuffy Singer, not Snuffy Smith

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, Snuffy is a hillbilly, yth. Friend of Barney Google (he of the googoogoogly eyes--you can Google it.)

[yhtapmys] I think I like the second "Beavers do the show" with Harry Shearer better, though.

[Laura Leff] And Beverly Washburn

[Laura Leff] Yht - What do you see the differences as being?

[yhtapmys] Well, didn't the second have The Tout and Frank Nelson impersonated?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I am sill floored that Shearer was on the show!

[steve /shimp/] I remember the second one as being a longer skit than this.

[yhtapmys] I know they repeated Storfy's song.

[Laura Leff] I haven't listened to them side by side...would have to look up 39F again.

[Laura Leff] Stinky

[steve /shimp/] Interesting how they would "test" the recurring skits and expand them if they were successful ... same thing with the New Tenant from last chat!

[Maxwell] Snuffy, Storfy....

[Kristine & Jean in NV] It sounds like the seven dwarfs!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Well, I think the repeat of the Beavers was less about that

[Laura Leff] Stuffy, Snuffy, Storfy, Stinky, Sticky...

[yhtapmys] I've only heard it once but it seems to me I liked it better.

[steve /shimp/] Surly, Shady, Scuzzy

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Soanky...

[Laura Leff] Steve - At that point, they were reusing a LOT of stuff just to balance their time on TV and radio

[steve /shimp/] True.

[yhtapmys] Whatever his name is, he does a nice job on Dennis's number.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Oops, Spanky, I mean

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, Clancy lowered that boom con gusto, no?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Yes, he sounded a lot like Dennis!

[yhtapmys] I'm not crazy about Johnny McGovern as Jack, though.

[steve /shimp/] I am floored by the kid doing Rochester.

[steve /shimp/] I wonder if he ever spoke in a normal voice again.

[yhtapmys] Rochester was good.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Yes, he was very good

[Brad from Georgia] I think the Rochester was closest to a dead-on impression of them all.

[Laura Leff] And that's saying a LOT

[yhtapmys] For a kid? Sure does.

[Brad from Georgia] Yes, it is--considering "Phil" and "Dennis"!

[steve /shimp/] Maybe it's not PC to wonder, but I do... was the kid African American?

[yhtapmys] I thought so.

[Laura Leff] Yht - For anyone. Try doing Rochester yourself for a while.

[steve /shimp/] I think it would play differently with the studio audience depending if he was white or black.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Sure was.

[steve /shimp/] Interesting!

[Laura Leff] Casting Roch for our recreations was the hardest thing for me.

[yhtapmys] Laura, I have trouble hitting Frank Nelson register these days   

[Laura Leff] Then again, Beulah was played by a white man...

[T.H.E. Drunkard] That's definitely a one of a kind voice

[Maxwell] As were Amos 'n' Andy.

[Brad from Georgia] yth--Don't fret. Eddie Carroll confessed that he has trouble hitting the high notes in "When You Wish Upon a Star" these days.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Just have someone kick you in the groin if you need to get there...

[Laura Leff] The room falls silent

[yhtapmys] Jack - Is it sore? Frank - Ooooh! Is it!

[Maxwell] Brad I'll bet he doesn't have half the trouble that Cliff Edwards does.

[Laura Leff] Yeah no kidding

[Brad from Georgia] I think he goes by "Harp Ike" now, Maxwell.

[Laura Leff] So what else did you think about the show?

[yhtapmys] Anyway, I give the episode a hit.


[Brad from Georgia] Big ole thumbs up.

[Laura Leff] in the jaw?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Loved it, although it was different.

[steve /shimp/] I love the "Wilhelmina" song. I need to see "Wabash Avenue" someday.

[yhtapmys] The first half was quite leisurely and the Beavers work well enough.

[yhtapmys] Steve, Margaret Hamilton was in Wabash Avenue.

[Brad from Georgia] The "lemonade" joke was good. Oh, and I actually looked up Wabash Avenue on IMDB.

[Laura Leff] I'm melting I'm melting

[Kristine & Jean in NV] We loved it when Jack changed the lyrics.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I'd give it an 88

[Laura Leff] Oh what a world, what a world...

[steve /shimp/] Yikes, with the green skin and pointy hat?

[Maxwell] I liked the fact that Mary sang the song, too, a capella. I love it when Mary sings.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - And Mary's voice changed so much over the years

[yhtapmys] Max, I keep wondering how terrified she is doing it.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I like it when Rochester sings :-)

[Laura Leff] Especially when she stopped trying to do the Gracie Allen register

[Brad from Georgia] I just watched "On the Avenue" today--with Phil Harris's other half as the third-billed star.

[steve /shimp/]   me too.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Only Gracie, could do Gracie.

[steve /shimp/] When Mary does that voiceover cameo in "Here's Lucy" she's well into Patty & Selma of "The Simpsons" territory.

[Laura Leff] Are they the smoking sisters?

[yhtapmys] Must be the smoking.

[steve /shimp/] Yeah.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, she was a smoker

[Maxwell] By that time so was Lucy.

[Brad from Georgia] steve--Me, too, especially when Roch' does "My Mamma Done Tole Me." "St. Joe--they LOVED me there."

[steve /shimp/]   True

[Laura Leff] That's kind of the Harvey Firestein register

[Laura Leff] Brad - I almost started singing that

[yhtapmys] Or Tallulah.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Out of curiosity, does anyone know if George Washington Slept Here is available on DVD?

[yhtapmys] Who was probably Harvey in another life.

[Laura Leff] Who here has seen "Man About Town"?

[yhtapmys] Not me, Laura.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I did once, years ago. Don't remember a lot about it!

[Laura Leff] K/J - From our video library. it was released commercially once

[steve /shimp/] Not I.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] LJ- Thanks

[Laura Leff] I keep saying this, but I highly recommend that movie. Especially if you want to see Rochester really strutting his stuff

[Maxwell] If I did, which I probably did, it was years ago.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I thnik TCM's run it in the past, haven't they?

[Brad from Georgia] I know I also once watched "Love Thy Neighbor," but I seem to have repressed all memory of it.

[Laura Leff] THE - Probably...my source had to get it from somewhere...

[Brad from Georgia] I did see it on TV, The. Don't remember the channel!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Laura -- that's one of the things I really liked about the Buck Benny film

[yhtapmys] I turned off Love Thy Neighbor, it was so bad.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Don't feel too badly...I didn't remember a lot of it after the first viewing either.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Really! Say more about that...

[Brad from Georgia] I still think we ought to launch a letter-writing campaign to TCM for a Jack Benny Birthday marathon.

[Maxwell] I remember seeing Love Thy Neighbor on local TV when I was a kid...so that was probably 40-some years ago.

[Laura Leff] THE - That being Rochester?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I recently saw Charlie's Aunt, though and it was hysterical.

[Brad from Georgia] All "Horn Blows at Midnight"....all the tme.

[Brad from Georgia] time.

[yhtapmys] I just didn't like it, Laura. It just struck me as dull.

[Laura Leff] Yht - It is hard to string out two men hurling insults at each other, and stitch in some kind of story.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Yes, Rochester getting to do some dancing

[Brad from Georgia] K&J--I really liked "Charlie's Aunt." Though Jack's English accent was sort of wobbly!

[Laura Leff] Brad - Amen to that...

[Laura Leff] He's got it on and off for the first ten minutes of the movie and then loses it entirely.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] It was crazy, but I still loved it.

(some loss)

[Laura Leff] Aha...I don't know too much about them.

[Laura Leff] They scared me too badly when I was little and I just never came back.

[Maxwell] Brad I've heard that the audiences used to laugh at those versions just because of the bad accents.

[steve /shimp/] They scared you?

[Brad from Georgia] I've been to the Laurel and Hardy Museum in the old post office in Harlem, Georgia. But as I was leaving, the museum lady told me to come back during the L&H festival..."We have a look-alike contest, you know." Well!

[Laura Leff] Oh, and I asked Robert Easton if he ever crossed paths with Patrick Troughton during his work in England. Unfortunately, he was dealing with people like Laurence Olivier and didn't cross paths with Troughton.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] "Voici un autre désordre fin"

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, I thought that Hardy was getting hurt/tortured.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Thanks, THE Drunkard

[Laura Leff] THE - That's pretty good.

[steve /shimp/] The stooges must have sent you reeling!

[yhtapmys] Oh, Laura.. here's a question.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Didn't see them when I was little.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--He was! He once complained, "Hal Roach saw to it that I hold the world's record for falling into mudholes!"

[Maxwell] LL You really must go back to L&H.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Vous êtes bienvenu

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I owe it all to Babelfish!

[Laura Leff] People keep telling me that...but I'm spending all my spare time on Doctor Who and Torchwood now.

[yhtapmys] I thought of this listening to the show this morning .. was 'The Pep Boys' a vaudeville reference?

[Maxwell] Make L&H your next project.

[Laura Leff] J'ai manger la fenetre

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I wondered that too, Yht

[Kristine & Jean in NV] The Pep Boys was an auto suply store.. Manny Moe and Jack.

[steve /shimp/] LOL. Phil French!

[Laura Leff] Yht - No...what K&J said.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Ah, I see

[Brad from Georgia] Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde.

[Maxwell] And they still are.

[yhtapmys] Yeah, but what has that got to do with a tux?

[Maxwell] A franchise now. I have no idea if they're related to the original.

[Laura Leff] My aunt is on fire?

[Brad from Georgia] Manny has the tux, Moe presses it, and Jack wears it.

[yhtapmys] Oh, is *that* the gag?

[Brad from Georgia] "My uncle is sick, but the highway is green." Spanish as taught by MAD Magazine.

[Laura Leff] I think they are connected to the original.

[Laura Leff] Brad - OK, I was close...

[T.H.E. Drunkard] "It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide"

[Maxwell] Their logo does have Manny, Moe, and Jack, but not named.

[Brad from Georgia] THE--I remember that, too! "Why British Films Need Subtitles"

[T.H.E. Drunkard] That's it, Brad

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I saw a store that had "Manny, Moe and Jack" in the "O" of "BOYS"

[Laura Leff] America and England...two countries separated by a common language

[Maxwell] That must have been a tight fit!

[Laura Leff] It was the dog's bollocks.    

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Never mind the bollocks...

[Brad from Georgia] Robert Benchley once wrote a column in which he translated a light British comedy: "Ewwo, es frahfly hote, innit?" "Good morning. It is frightfully warm, is it not?"

[Laura Leff] I'm still laughing over the last chat's discussion of the character Hymen from one of Jack's movies.

[Laura Leff] Brad - We have a member that specializes in Geordie comedy...very similar to that.

[Laura Leff] Geordie = Person from Newcastle area

[T.H.E. Drunkard] "Have you got a light mac?" "No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat"

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Robert Benchly was a genius. Where are the Benchlys of today?

[Brad from Georgia] Or the title character in "Wee Geordie."

[Laura Leff] You know what Robert Benchley said about Mary, right?

[Brad from Georgia] A Scotsman with a bladder problem...

[Brad from Georgia] What did the Bobster say, Laura?

[T.H.E. Drunkard] What, Laura?

[Laura Leff] Benchley was once asked why he didn't move to California. He replied, "It's too close to Mary Livingstone."

[Kristine & Jean in NV] ouch!

[Laura Leff] There's a joke that evolved over time...

[Laura Leff] Original version, as far as I know...

[Laura Leff] Q: How was the Charleston invented?

[Laura Leff] A: A Scotsman standing in front of a pay toilet.

[Brad from Georgia] OOOOOOH, that's MEAN! As a Benny character might say.....

[Laura Leff] The Q evolved over time to the Twist, and later break dancing

[Laura Leff] And the A evolved to being Jack Benny, and I don't know who after that

[Laura Leff] Anyhow

[Brad from Georgia] Anybody ever have a dream in which Jack Benny appeared? I did sometime last month.

[steve /shimp/] you know, there's no one I can think of since Jack who is "infamously cheap". He cornered the market.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Yeah, where are today's Benchleys?

[Laura Leff] Brad - Tell us about it *touches index fingers under chin*

[Brad from Georgia] Oddly, it was about Jack's getting ready to retire--and he was "casting" a new Jack Benny so the world wouldn't miss him!

[Laura Leff] THE - I've seen some in the park

[steve /shimp/] Like Bozo.

[Laura Leff] Park Benchleys

[yhtapmys] Sigh.

[Maxwell] Give her the hook!

[T.H.E. Drunkard]   and wince

[Laura Leff] YACK!

[yhtapmys] Laura, hire Harry Conn to do your material.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Uh-oh, we're getting into Kelsey Grammar territory now.

[Brad from Georgia] That's about all the dream. I just remember Jack sitting at a table and listening to someone audition to be him.

[Laura Leff] *whip*

[Maxwell] OUCH!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Wow, audio chat

[Laura Leff] *slap*

[Brad from Georgia] I take it you still haven't quite forgiven KG, Laura....

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Laura's getting violent...

[Maxwell] Woo Woo Woo Woo Woo....

[Laura Leff] Brad - Do you remember who he was auditioning?

[Laura Leff] I was trying to come up with a sound for me getting the hook

[yhtapmys] *no noise*

[yhtapmys] Say that works, too.

[Maxwell] Maybe a Major Bowes gong.

[Brad from Georgia] Nobody I knew, but the guy didn't look like Jack Benny. I was holding a script for some reason, but didn't seem to be auditioning or coaching or anything.

[Laura Leff] *meow* doesn't quite cut it

[yhtapmys] Brad, so you were Jeanette?

[T.H.E. Drunkard] No, but it got Charlie the Pup's attention

[Maxwell] *meow*

[T.H.E. Drunkard] He's fascinated

[Brad from Georgia] I s'pose. I was just on the periphery, following along in the script. Maybe I was a prompter.

[Maxwell] It's a cation!

[Laura Leff] *meow*

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Down, boy, down!

[yhtapmys] *cat with laryngitis*

[Maxwell] *slap*

[Laura Leff] Would be interesting to see what Mel Blanc would do with that

[Brad from Georgia] Mrs. from Georgia has returned from dropping off my son's dogs. Not off a bridge, which they probably deserve, but at my son's house.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] *bark*

[Maxwell] This is gonna look really good in the transcript.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] This software is biased against dogs

[Laura Leff] Lost in translation

[Laura Leff] I wish we could upload sounds

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Is this a private joke, or can someone let us in on it? I don't get it.

[Laura Leff] Other chat rooms had better stuff

[Brad from Georgia] Can't you hear the sounds, K&J?

[Laura Leff] K/J - The sounds you mean?

[steve /shimp/] We need to upload an e-Mel Blanc

[Laura Leff] Turn up the volume

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[yhtapmys] Write vice-president Barkley. The honeymoon should be over by now.

[Maxwell] Ah...that's what that one is....

[steve /shimp/] Found the door, did you Max?

[Maxwell] Yup.

[steve /shimp/]  

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I get the sounds, I just don't get it.   

[Laura Leff] Or Lieutenant Barkley from Star Trek

[Brad from Georgia] Don't do that, Maxwell. You just made a Fred Allen voice begin reading out my page.

[Laura Leff] K/J - Just being silly then

[yhtapmys] I was posting non sounds.

[Laura Leff] So going back to Jack's movies for a sec...

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Now I get it! Thanks.

[Maxwell] This room degenerates into some kind of chaos after about 45 minutes.

[yhtapmys] *Mary saving money*

[Laura Leff] I figure that everyone in the room is in agreement that Jack's best film is "To Be or Not To Be"

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Did you know Barkley was 71 when he married?

[steve /shimp/] *Dennis Lecture to MENSA*

[Maxwell] Agreed.

[yhtapmys] heh heh

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I agree, Laura

[steve /shimp/] *Phil at AA*

[Laura Leff] *Gracie Allen Lecture to MENSA*

[Laura Leff] So what's his second best movie?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Yes. TBONTB is his best, as it is Carol Lombards in my opinion.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I'd vote for Buck Benny Rides Again

[steve /shimp/] I haven't seen enough to evaluate them like that.

[Brad from Georgia] I like "George Washington Slept Here," despite its weak ending. "Buck" is very good, too.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] 2nd best: GWSH.

[Maxwell] I like Buck better than George.

[Laura Leff] K/J - Better than Charlie's Aunt?

[yhtapmys] You know, I just can't get exceited about Jack on film.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I haven't seen Buck Benny yet.

[Laura Leff] I have to cast my vote for Buck Benny as well.

[Maxwell] Any movie with Andy Devine is great.

[Laura Leff] Hiya Buck!

[Brad from Georgia] LL--my daughter recently saw "To Be or Not to Be" for the first time on TNT and loved it. She had thought the Mel Brooks version was the original before that!

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Yes, even though Iloved Charlies Aunt, I just can't put it above GWSH.

[steve /shimp/] Me either yht. I love him so much in his element of the show I can't break that very easily.

[Maxwell] Except perhaps Island in the Sky where he wears swimming trunks.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Buck is the only film that captures the humor of the show

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Percy's singing was the best.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Funny how a lot of things might be that way, since Get Smart is coming out...

[Brad from Georgia] Maxwell--yes, if they had only cast Andy as Hitler in TBONTB....

[Brad from Georgia] "Hiya, Goebbels!"

[steve /shimp/] Luckily they didn't make some poor Beaver try to imitate Andy Devine!

[Laura Leff] So how about his third?

[Maxwell] I can hear Andy trying to pronounce Goebbels.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] A good double feature would be TBONTB and The Producers.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Although...if The Horn Blows at Midnight had been filmed from the script they used for the 1949 radio adaptation (and with Claude Rains) that might rank a lot higher

[Laura Leff] THE - Agreed.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] I did like the radio version of THBAM, also.

(some loss)

[Laura Leff] How would Jack have gotten on the Internet?

[Laura Leff] Or would he even buy a computer?

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Once upon a time, he would have used NetZero...

[Maxwell] He'd borrow a computer and sit outside some hotel and use their wi-fi.

[Kristine & Jean in NV] He would use the computer at the public Library.

[Laura Leff] There's a great TV ad from one of the specials

[Brad from Georgia] His computer would be powered by a hamster in a wheel (never seen but voiced by Mel Blanc).

[yhtapmys] Mary would have a big screen .. if it were DIAMONDvision.

[Laura Leff] about Jack waiting until the 70s to get a color TV

[steve /shimp/] Jack would have the only Commodore 64 hooked up to the Internet.

[T.H.E. Drunkard]  

[Laura Leff] Steve - Good one

[Maxwell] Last summer we were watching some guy in his car outside our hotel using his computer.

[yhtapmys] Well, we WAS commodore of the Nebraska Navy, wasn't he?

[steve /shimp/] Darn cassette drive!

[Laura Leff] "I need to get some new computer games. I'm tired of Pong..."

[Brad from Georgia] "Lookit, the Commodore is an EXCELLENT machine....for the money."

[Maxwell] Using the hotel's wireless.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Omigosh, Giants touchdown...

[Maxwell] I didn't get a good enough look to see if he resembled Jack.

[Brad from Georgia] "Boss you have to spring for a keyboard. The hammer and chisel are too hard on the machine."

[Laura Leff] Now 10-7?

[Kristine & Jean in NV] We need to go. Thank you for welcoming us. Would anyone like to chat on Thurs. at same time same place? BTW if there were any spelling errors, it was my Mom's typing and not mine. (She is poking me as we speak.)

[T.H.E. Drunkard] As soon as they get the extra point, yes

[Maxwell] Wow!

[steve /shimp/] See you K&J! Thanks for stopping.

[Laura Leff] K&J - I'll probably be working, but feel free to use the chat if you'd like.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Night, Kristine and Jean

[steve BRADley] Lose the cassette player....I recommend listening to Benny on a Microsoft Zune...80GB

[Brad from Georgia] Last week I was at a SF convention at the Chattanooga Choo-Choo, and I GUESSED the hotel password to their wireless network.

[yhtapmys] Hey, has the football broadcast been switched and you're getting Sara Berner singing?

[Brad from Georgia] 'Bye, you 2!

[Laura Leff] Have a good one K/J!

[Kristine & Jean in NV] Good Night, and thanks again.

[Maxwell] So long K&J!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Have a swell week!

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[Laura Leff] Brad - What was it?

[yhtapmys] Brad, I did that with the last connection I was using here.

[Brad from Georgia] Track29

[Laura Leff] Oh funny

[Maxwell] Boy, you can give me a shine.

[yhtapmys] But I guess he's moved.

[Brad from Georgia] It's always something like that in a Holiday Inn.

[steve /shimp/] Did you see Rock City while you were in Chattanooga, as the Barns tell you to?

[Laura Leff] I thought that was in Cleveland

[Maxwell] See Rock City

[Maxwell] That's the RnR HOF, LL.

[Brad from Georgia] I done been and seen Rock City twice. That's more than many a man, I trow.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Sounds like Rock City to me.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I wonder what magazine you could read until you got to Baltimore? Liberty? Colliers? Life?

[Laura Leff] The New Yorker

[Maxwell] Life...mostly pictures.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Scientific American?

[Brad from Georgia] Iffen I went back to Rock City, I probably couldn't make it through Fat Man's Misery these days. I have to lose weight.

[steve /shimp/] Ah, I forgot about that. I mostly remember dayglo gnomes in blasted out tunnels!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Good choice, Laura, that might have a Thurber story in it

[Laura Leff] See Masada. It rocks too.

[Brad from Georgia] steve--the gnomes! The gnomes! I had bad dreams for weeks! And I was thirty first time I saw them!

[steve /shimp/]  

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on folks' minds tonight?

[yhtapmys] Laura, at the time they did this show, were the writers still splitting the shows in half?

[Brad from Georgia] My sister panicked in the caverns once. She's terribly claustrophobic. Probably that's why she never got anything for Christmas.

[steve /shimp/] Rock City is where miniature golf was invented, bit of trivia.

[Laura Leff] Yht - The writers were splitting the show since 1943 when the new group came in.

[yhtapmys] OK

[Brad from Georgia] You can see seven states from Lookout Mountain. Oddly, one is Hawaii.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I have a question, Laura...

[Laura Leff] I think Morrow and Beloin wrote the whole show on their own.

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[Laura Leff] But with four, they could split it

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Not the door! Not the door!

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[Laura Leff] THE - Go for it.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I listened to a show last week where Mr. Kitzel passed Benny and Mary on the street, said hi, and kept right on walking...

[Maxwell] I don't know what the heck happened there!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] And Mary said, "I guess he didn't have anything funny to say"

[Laura Leff] THE - Do you remember the date?

[Maxwell] Suddenly I was on the home page.

[Brad from Georgia] I understand they worked separately, too, LL--one team did the first half of the show, the second worked on the last half without really knowing much about the first half of the sript.

[Brad from Georgia] script.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Um...just a sec...it was the second of the two parter about Don locked up at Jack's house until he signed his contract...

[yhtapmys] Hmm. Don't remember that gag.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Ah, it was 1/30/49...

[Laura Leff] I just grabbed 39F2 for reference...

[Brad from Georgia] I mentioned this in the Forum, but I found this odd blog that maintained the show had no vestige of Jewish culture until Artie Auerbach showed up as Kitzel.

[Maxwell] I guess they kind of forgot about Schlepperman.

[Laura Leff] Yup, I see it

[Laura Leff] Brad - That's not true. Shlepperman

[Brad from Georgia] "Although everyone in the cast was Jewish, no hint of Jewishness ever appeared until Artie Auerbach...."

[Brad from Georgia] LL--I know. And Jack made occasional Jewish references, too.

[Laura Leff] THE - No, I don't have any more information on that one. Maybe Auerbach needed some money.

[Maxwell] Dennis was Jewish?

[yhtapmys] So what?

[Laura Leff] Dennis even wishes Jack "Gut Yontiff" once.

[Laura Leff] Dennis wasn't Jewish.

[Brad from Georgia] Apparently Dennis, and Rochester, and Don, and Phil....

[steve /shimp/] Wait, something on the internet was inaccurate?!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I just wondered if there was some backstage reason for that...it seemed in context like an odd gag

[Brad from Georgia] Of course, "Wonga" is an old Jewish name. It was Moses' first name, you know. Wonga Moses.

[Laura Leff] THE - There probably is, but I either don't know it or have forgotten.

[Laura Leff] Don wasn't Jewish.

[Maxwell] I thought Moses first name was Wally.

[Laura Leff] Frank Nelson wasn't Jewish

[T.H.E. Drunkard] How did that work? Would you get paid for a speakig role, whether you had one line or 20?

[Laura Leff] OK hang on...very FEW people on the show were Jewish.

[Brad from Georgia] LL-Bino!

[yhtapmys] If don't know, Drunk. I'll have to listen back for it.

[Brad from Georgia] Bingo!

[Brad from Georgia] Oingo boingo!

[Laura Leff] THE - Right. You'd at least be entitled to scale, and Jack always paid more than that.

[yhtapmys] They just probably thought it was funny.

[Brad from Georgia] My fingers are tired....

[Laura Leff] There's a story about Jack wanting Frank Nelson for one line, and translating it into how many $ per word he got paid.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] You're probably right, yht...it just sounded a bit odd

[Laura Leff] It sounds like a gag I'd come up with.

[yhtapmys] Laura, I heard Nelson talk about it. It was Irving's idea.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--was the line "Yessssss?"

[Laura Leff] Yht - Which is surprising, considering Irving's practices on money.

[Laura Leff] Brad - No, it was something else. I can't remember what at the moment.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Dino!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Good gosh, Giants have the ball again...still 10-7

[Brad from Georgia] Wino! Back to Phil!

[Maxwell] *choke*

[Laura Leff] What's the quarter?

[Maxwell] 25 cents.

[Laura Leff] Not that I really care, just curious

[T.H.E. Drunkard] 9 minues left, fourth quarte3r

[Brad from Georgia] A coin worth twenty-five ...aw, Max.

[steve /shimp/] 4th

[Laura Leff] Pickle in the middle and the mustard on top

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Ooos, 8:35 left

[Brad from Georgia] Just the way you like them, and they're always hot!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Oops, even

[Brad from Georgia] The Wizard of Oooos.

[Brad from Georgia] Hmm...sounds like a dirty movie....

[Laura Leff] Oooooo was it!

[Maxwell] The Wizard of Ooze?

[steve /shimp/] There was a similar gag where Mel meets Jack on the street and asks if there's anything in the script for him this week. Jack says "no" and they just move on!

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[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, you're absolutely right.

[steve /shimp/] saw sympathy!

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, was!

[was_yhtapmys] Grr. The wireless died on ,e.

[steve /shimp/] sympathy saw?

[was_yhtapmys] me.

[Maxwell] iH saw_sympathy

[was_yhtapmys] So I'm on dial-up.

[Laura Leff] Mental image of someone playing a saw with a bow

[Brad from Georgia] Odd, you're still signed in as both.

[Laura Leff] I don't see anyone named 'both'

[was_yhtapmys] Yeah, because I've disconnected the wireless.

[steve /shimp/] wearing a bow?

[Maxwell] A bow tie?

[Brad from Georgia] I knew a girl who played a saw with her beau. She was a regular rip.

[Laura Leff] A boat I

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise?

[Brad from Georgia] You should see her dance a jig, though....

[Laura Leff] Anyone get a chance to get the new specials in the video library yet?

[Maxwell] Jack Benny Month on Those Were the Days here in Chicago.

[Maxwell] LL Not yet.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Ah yes it is. What's Chuck doing this month?

[Brad from Georgia] Haven't yet, LL--too poor after Christmas. I'm teaching an extra class....but the office decided to delay payment on it until the end of Feb!

[Laura Leff] I've also got the Second Farewell Special...was going to post it after February.

[Maxwell] The shows leading up to and including Ronald Colman reading the winner of the I Can't Stand Jack Benny contest.

[Brad from Georgia] What are some of the sketches on the Second Annual, LL? I know I've seen that.

[Maxwell] Along with cast members on assorted other shows.

[Laura Leff] Ah, those are quite good.

[Maxwell] Started this week with Ingrid Bergman.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Well, Jack visiting Redd Foxx in a pimped-out flat

[Laura Leff] (pardon the term)

[Brad from Georgia] "Gaslight." The landmark parody case.

[steve /shimp/] I'm psyched to see the anniversary special. I'll send you some DVDs after your break!

[Laura Leff] Jack and George Burns as statues/fountains

[was_yhtapmys] Well, it IS Redd Foxx.

[Brad from Georgia] LL--Yes! I knew I'd seen it. Both of those ring a Benny bell.

[Laura Leff] I'd have to go back and look at it again...I watched part of it at the Museum of Television and Radio

[Maxwell] All I got to hear this week was Gaslight, so I'm going to have to listen to the replay when they put it up Tuesday.

[Laura Leff] And Gaslight on radio wasn't what caused the lawsuit

[Laura Leff] It was the one for television

[steve /shimp/] Is Eddie Carrol on the second or first farewell special?

[Brad from Georgia] In my younger days, I played the part of the police inspector in "Angel Street," the play on which "Gaslight" was based.

[Laura Leff] One of these days we'll find the Charlie Chan one...

[Laura Leff] Steve - First

[steve /shimp/] Ah, thanks.

[Laura Leff] I've got the first on a poor B&W copy that I hadn't seen fit to transfer yet

[Brad from Georgia] LL--didn't know that! I thought it was the radio version.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Also been too busy to approach the Estate about what we discussed.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Nope, the radio was fine because I think they got studio permission.

[steve /shimp/] Oh, plenty of time!

[Laura Leff] But then Jack wanted to do it again and didn't get permission.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yup, and needing to ask for less since the recent donations!

[steve /shimp/] very nice.

(some loss)

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Sounds like it wouldn't have amounted to much

[yhtapmys] Well, it *was* Winchell.

[Laura Leff] I have a book by Benny Rubin

[yhtapmys] And no, Mel did Foghorn.

[Maxwell] I follow Winchell and read every line.

[steve /shimp/] What's Benny Rubin's book?

[Laura Leff] That's why you're a tramp

[yhtapmys] "I Dunno."

[Laura Leff] Steve - I'm trying to remember the title...I think it was "Come Backstage With Me"

[yhtapmys] No kidding. That'd be interesting.

[Laura Leff] It informed me that Mary's debut on radio preceded Jack's by some years

[Laura Leff] Yeah, it's worth a read.

[yhtapmys] I read Treadmill to Oblivion for the first time in years.

[steve /shimp/] Really? What was Mary's debut?

[Laura Leff] Try www.addall.com/used

[Laura Leff] Steve - On a test show in 1928 or 1929 with Benny Rubin...they did a pair act on it.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Pats take the lead, 14-10

[yhtapmys] !!

[Laura Leff] Yht - Oh, I need to reread that. Much Ado too.

[yhtapmys] Laura, what name was she using?

[Maxwell] Whew! The world is no longer turned upside down.

[steve /shimp/] Fascinating. Looks like there are plenty of copies online, I will check it out.

[Laura Leff] Yht - I don't think he said. I know she was doing the...was it Marie Marsh?...in Jack's stage act.

[yhtapmys] Laura, there was a third book on Allen's letters. I read that years ago, too.

[steve /shimp/] Shoot. I am hoping the Pats go down!

[yhtapmys] Isn't that unpatriotic?

[Laura Leff] Yht - I only read parts of it, like the Ramshaw letter. Need to read the whole thing.

[Laura Leff] There have been a few books on Allen, but I prefer his own work best.

[yhtapmys] The library at home had it when I was a kid. But I see the main Vancouver library has four books on Allen.

[Laura Leff] I want to read "Harpo Speaks" some day. I've only had the book for like 20 years.

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[Laura Leff] I was doing research at Boston Public Library just shortly after an Allen researcher had been there preparing for a book.

[Laura Leff] How much time left in the game?

[yhtapmys] Was it written?

[T.H.E. Drunkard] They're at the two minute warning

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Giants 3rd and 10 on their 28

[Laura Leff] Yht - Yes...can't remember the name at the moment. It was published a few years ago.

[yhtapmys] I keep waiting for the football game to be switched to Sara Berner singing Bali Hai.

[steve /shimp/]  

[Laura Leff] So anything else? Or shall we call it good for this week and I can have 1:15 before my meeting?    

[Maxwell] Just one thing...

[Laura Leff] Yah

[Maxwell] I found some great OTR on a site this week that everybody but me was probably familiar with:

[Laura Leff] Oh and I've got to update the Web site

[Maxwell] http://www.archive.org/details/oldtimeradio

[Laura Leff] Ah yes...they sent me a holiday card.

[yhtapmys] Which holiday?

[yhtapmys] Judy?

[Laura Leff] Don't know what they celebrate...

[yhtapmys] Archive Day

[Maxwell] I was listening to an episode of Easy Aces there the other day and noticed that Goodman Ace's delivery reminded me of Jack.

[Laura Leff] Said they've gotten good traffic off jb.org

[T.H.E. Drunkard] archive.org is great for all sorts of things

[yhtapmys] I love their 50s industrial cartoons.

[steve /shimp/] archive.org is great, I second that.

[Maxwell] Yeah, I was watching "Falling Hare" there the other day, too.

[Maxwell] And the Betty Boops with Cab Calloway and Louis Armstrong.

[Laura Leff] Cool

[Laura Leff] Some day I hope to have time to look at it.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] I watched some of the old driver's ed splatter films there that I saw in high school

[Maxwell] Good luck on that LL.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Yeah....*sigh*

[Maxwell] I love those old Driver's Ed films.

[steve /shimp/] yht, if you like those industrial films try avgeeks.com too amazing stuff.

[yhtapmys] Is it old stuff, Steve?

[Maxwell] Do the have the one with Coily the spring?

[Maxwell] "No springs!"

[yhtapmys] I'm not crazy about any new stuff.

[Laura Leff] It's slinky...it's slinky...it's such a wonderful toy...

[yhtapmys] I like 50s and early 60s.

[steve /shimp/] Yes! It's all kinds of social guidance/industrial/classroom films 40s-70s

[Laura Leff] Coronet

[T.H.E. Drunkard] This looks great, Steve...I'll check it out

[Laura Leff] Gosh Dad...do you think man will ever get to the moon?

[yhtapmys] Hurrah! I can hear the Hi-Q library in the background already.

[Laura Leff] I don't know, Chip...I don't know.

[Maxwell] We used to love the old Coronet films because they were produced in Chicago...and many featured WGN radio-TV personality Carl Grayson.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] "No, Johnny, but they'll stage a pretend landing in Arizona"

[Laura Leff]  

[steve /shimp/] Heheheh

[yhtapmys] Gee, Bobby, I'm attracted to boys!

[yhtapmys] CUT! This is the 1950s. That doesnt happen!

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Giants on the Patriot 24...1:15 left...

[Maxwell] Do they have any of the old "Don't let this happen to you films" where they showed the nasty things that could happen to you if you went out with the wrong kind of person?

[Laura Leff] Reefer Madness

[yhtapmys] Oh, where's Frank Nelson ordering a hot dog?

[Laura Leff] Watch...Bobby smokes marijuana.......and then KILLS HIS MOTHER BRUTALLY WITH A FRYING PAN.

[steve /shimp/] I saw a great '30s exploitationer called "Child Bride" that really threw me for a loop a couple of weeks ago.

[yhtapmys] There's a pass.. it's long... and it's...mfdsfmmdnms

[Laura Leff] Steve - ??????

[yhtapmys] Mffdtts

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[steve /shimp/] Ozark hillbilly middle-aged guys marrying ten-year-olds, and a purehearted schoolteacher trying to stop the practice.

[yhtapmys] That's one of my favourite bits.

[yhtapmys] Well, I'll have to see if I can borrow more wireless connectivity.

[yhtapmys] Have a good month off, Laura.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Wasn't that adaped into an NBC Dateline series, Steve?

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, that's just really strange.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] Have a swell month, Laura

[Laura Leff] Have a good one, Yht!

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[Maxwell] Yeah, Laura, have a good month off.

[steve /shimp/] Could be. And, the evil hillbilly guy had a midget henchman (Angelo Rossitto). Very weird!

[Laura Leff] THE - Hey, I've seen that...now they're finding them on the Internet

[Laura Leff] Steve - Is that online?

[Maxwell] See you in a month!

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[T.H.E. Drunkard] Have a good rest-of-winter!

[steve /shimp/] Not sure! I got it in a multi-DVD pack.

[T.H.E. Drunkard] It would be interesting to see

[Laura Leff] OK...thanks for stopping everyone! See you next month!