IJBFC Chat - August 5, 2007

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[Maxwell] Hey LL!

[Steve .shimp.] Hiya LL

[KayLhota] HI Laura

[Laura Leff] Hello again folks!

[March Hare] Hello

[KayLhota] Thanks so much for bringing us this interview

[Maxwell] And here he is doing Jolson!

[Brad from Georgia] Hi, LL!

[Laura Leff] Looks like several regulars and maybe a couple new folks on tonight

[Laura Leff] Brad, March - Is this your first time here?

[March Hare] yes

[Laura Leff] Brad from GA - Obviously meant the OTHER Brad.    

[KayLhota] He did the Jolson imitation on a bunch of Jack Benny shows. It's like a running gag in 1949

[March Hare] thanks for having me

[Laura Leff] March - Happy to have you here!

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie Anderson played Bobbie Joe "BJ" Mason on several Scooby-Doo eps, as well as on the Harlem Globetrotters cartoon.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, even Jolson himself came on to dispute that he says "Nyahhh"

[Maxwell] Toot Toot Tootsie almost sounds like a Spike Jones record.

[KayLhota] Yes

[Steve .shimp.] According to George Burns, it was from Jolson eating a lot of onions before going onstage...

[Laura Leff] So sounds like you've already started discussing the recording for tonight..

[KayLhota] I remember when I first heard Toot Toot Tootsie on Dr. Demento in 1976

[Brad from Georgia] I always heard Jolson's exclamation as more of a"Mwaaahh"

[Maxwell] Steve, Yup, George used that in his act.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yeah, and the knee bit too...

[Laura Leff] which, IIRC, was actually an ingrown toenail.

[Steve .shimp.] Great performances from food poisoning...


[Laura Leff] Brad (not from GA) - You with us? Just listening?

[Brad from Georgia] I am here.

[Laura Leff] Listening is OK.

[Laura Leff] Brad from GA - Other one.

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[Maxwell] Brad (not from GA) hasn't said a word since I got here.

[Steve .shimp.] I wish Dr. Demento had asked some more thoughtful questions, but once Mel got going it was fun.

[KayLhota] Yay Frank!

[Maxwell] Hi Actually_Frank

[Laura Leff] He's a SPY!!!

[Laura Leff] Hi Frank!

[KayLhota] You made it. Meet my husband, Frank!

[Actually_Frank] Can you see me?

[Brad from Georgia] But I gotta go soon. We been dogsitting, and we have to take the pups home. Ohhhh, Brad NOT from GA....

[Laura Leff] Kay - I was just going to guess whether this was your husband.

[Steve .shimp.] Hi Actually Frank!

[Maxwell] Frank, we can see you.

[Steve .shimp.] Do you know Frankly, Actual?

[Maxwell] Now put your clothes back on!


[March Hare] Has anyone else in here purchased the newly released DVD of Charley's Aunt?

[KayLhota] Is it out?

[March Hare] It is really neat

[Laura Leff] March - Yes, I invested. It mentions the club.

[KayLhota] I want it, but I didn't know it was out.

[March Hare] it has 4 lobby cards and a booklet

[Brad from Georgia] I haven't. Does it have commentary?

[Steve .shimp.] Not yet!

[March Hare] features commentary and a short feature of Jack

[Steve .shimp.] Who does the commentary?

[Brad from Georgia] Eddie Carroll!

[Steve .shimp.] Really?

[KayLhota] wow

[Brad from Georgia] No.

[Maxwell] Now I know I have to get it.

[March Hare] some film historian

[Brad from Georgia] I'm a lion.

[Steve .shimp.] Now cut that out!

[Laura Leff] It's Randall Skredvedt

[Laura Leff] who does the commentary

[Brad from Georgia] Got an Email from the Carrolls last week to say Eddie was doing an online interview--but I was in the middle of a final exam, so I missed it.

[Maxwell] Oh.

[Maxwell] Never mind.

[March Hare] It is much better quality than the fuzzy vhs I had of it

[KayLhota] I've never seen all of "Charley's Aunt"

[Maxwell] I'll still have to get the DVD, though.

[Laura Leff] Brad - It's still being rebroadcast every day

[Laura Leff] Brad - Check the link at the top of the home page.

[Brad from Georgia] Ah, so, LL! When, pray tell?

[Brad from Georgia] Will do, LL. Thanks.

[Brad from Georgia] Gotta go. We have to drive these two Jack Russell Terrorists down to Atlanta.

[Laura Leff] Brad - Time on Sunday is different, but 4-6 daily I think.

[Maxwell] So long Brad (from GA)

[Steve .shimp.] Bye Brad!

[Laura Leff] Take care, Brad!

[KayLhota] bye Brad

[Brad from Georgia] Buh-bye.

[March Hare] later Brad

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[Actually_Frank] Ta Ta

[Steve .shimp.] Gee, now who is going to be the comic relief around here with Brad from GA out?

[Steve .shimp.] Max, you have to take up the slack...

[Laura Leff] Steve - I guedss that leaves you

[Maxwell] Steve I don't know if I can handle the pressure.

[Steve .shimp.] I'm more a "third banana"

[March Hare] until you peel anyway

[Laura Leff] Or split

[March Hare]  

[Laura Leff] So what else did folks think of this interview with Mel?

[Maxwell] I'm more of a straight man.

[KayLhota] Back in the late 30's and early 40's I've found Mel on MGM and Columbia cartoons

[Steve .shimp.] Or, just turn brown and rotten sitting around my house.

[KayLhota] It's an excellent interview of Mel

[Maxwell] I would have liked a little more substance.

[Maxwell] But I did enjoy it.

[Steve .shimp.] Of Mel's 70s TV stuff, I have to say Captain Caveman was a really fun voice.

[Laura Leff] Yeah, I can only imagine how many millions of times he had to answer the same questions

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, Dr. Demento could have done a lot better interview prep.

[KayLhota] yes, he was so enthusiastic, and the animation went great with the voice

[Laura Leff] Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels

[Steve .shimp.] "So, you were the voice of Bugs Bunny"?

[Steve .shimp.] Yawn

[KayLhota] yeah, steve

[Laura Leff] Frank Nelson also did a LOT of cartoon voice overs in the 70s-80s

[March Hare] Wait? Mel did Bugs?

[Actually_Frank] I knew he'd want Mel to talk about Spike Jones.

[Steve .shimp.] Captain CAaaaaaaaaaaaaVEMan!

[Maxwell] Hmmm...That's a cartoon I missed.

[KayLhota] Frank Nelson is in some cartoons in 1979 and the early 80's

[Steve .shimp.] He basically looked like Cousin Itt with a nose and a loincloth, and had a club with a lot of wacky James Bondian gadgets in it.

[Maxwell] OOOOOOOOOkay...

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[KayLhota] Frank is the Devil in the "Looney, Looney Bug Bunny Movie

[Maxwell] There went Brad.

[March Hare] classic cartoon right up there with aqua teen hunger force

[KayLhota] Frank Nelson was the Hungry Tiger in "Thanksgiving in the Land of Oz"

[Actually_Frank] Mel probable would do "Adult Swim" if he were still around.

[KayLhota] Sid Caesar was the Wizard of Oz in that cartoon

[Steve .shimp.] Now, that's one *I* missed...

[KayLhota] I have on tape somewhere.

[Maxwell] I haven't seen any of them so far.

[KayLhota] Frank Nelson was on a load of radio shows, the same way that Mel Blanc was.

[Laura Leff] I saw a review of Captain Caveman that said something like, "A bad excuse for showing women in tights"

[Actually_Frank] Frank Nelson also did voices for the Depie-Freling cartoons.

[March Hare] that applies to 99% of TV

[KayLhota] Can you remember any offhand, Frank?

[Steve .shimp.] Well, cartoon women in tights...

[Laura Leff] Frank Nelson did the voice for my favorite cartoon character that no one remembers...long before I talked with him

[Steve .shimp.] Which one's that LL?

[KayLhota] which one?

[Laura Leff] Spiffy on The Oddball Couple

[KayLhota]   never saw it.

[Maxwell] Another one I never saw....

[Steve .shimp.]   , me neither.

[Laura Leff] Not a lot of cats on cartoons...gotta take em where you find em

[March Hare] must have missed that one

[KayLhota] true, and I'm sure he was good.

[Laura Leff] A blue cat that was the equivalent of Felix (appropriately enough) from the Odd Couple

[Maxwell] Well, there's always Sylvester and Tom.

[Laura Leff] And Fleabag was the dog that was the Oscar equivalent

[Laura Leff] Blue cat in a white suite

[Laura Leff] suit

[March Hare] Garfield

[Steve .shimp.] Well, perfect casting if it's a Felix inspired role. Prissy, sanctimonious cat has Nelson written all over it!

[KayLhota] He did the Devil in the "Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie"

[Laura Leff] March - This was before Garfield

[March Hare] ah

[Laura Leff] Steve - That's it exactly

[KayLhota] "Oooohh, we've been a Bad Putty tat, haven't we?"

[Laura Leff] Garfield started as a strip in, I think, 1980. This was probably late 70s.

[March Hare] a little before my time

[KayLhota] luckily these things have a way of coming back

[Steve .shimp.] A Nelson - Mel Blanc "Odd Couple" would actually be great on stage.


[Steve .shimp.] Oh, sure. It's a classic weird one!

[Laura Leff] Or Jack dreams that he turns into a turkey/


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[KayLhota] Hi Scott

[March Hare] Any ostriches?

[Laura Leff] Hey, Scott!

[Maxwell] Hi Scott

[Steve .shimp.] Hiya Scott

[Laura Leff] March - That was earlier....Trudy

[March Hare] I missed it

[Laura Leff] Trudy...one of Jack's long-forgotten pets

[Actually_Frank] hI Scott   

[KayLhota] Stan Freberg was the voice of Trudy. He must have just gotten out of High School

[March Hare] yeah that is why I mentioned it

[Laura Leff] Hey, this is a good crowd for this quiz. How many pet mentions/apperances can you remember for Jack?

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] Kay - Really? Or are you confusing him with the camel?

[March Hare] at least 3

[Steve .shimp.] Polly, Carmichael

[March Hare] Trudy

[KayLhota] Okay, Carmichael the polar bear, Trudy, Polly

[Steve .shimp.] (nailed the easy ones...)

[Maxwell] The camel

[KayLhota] the camel, yeah

[March Hare] and I guess you could count his crocs and aligaters...that guarded his moat

[Laura Leff] Really obscure one: a dog named Baskervilles

[Scott in KC] Hi everyone! I mean Jello, again!

[Actually_Frank] What was Jack doing with a camel when he should be pitching Lucky Strikes?

[Steve .shimp.] Was that in real life or on the radio LL?

[Laura Leff] Frank - Grape Nuts days

[Laura Leff] Steve - Radio

[Actually_Frank] "Grape Nuts Days" -- directed by Woddy Allen?

[KayLhota]   Frank

[Laura Leff] I remember Grape Nuts Days, where everyone ate crumbled cement for breakfast...

[KayLhota] I can't think of any more pets

[Laura Leff] There was one episode where he was trying to catch a frog

[KayLhota] malty rich sweet as a nut

[Laura Leff] which was played by Mel

[Maxwell] I eat Grape Nuts every morning. Don't knock them!

[KayLhota] Polly and Carmichael

[Laura Leff] I guess we won't count the elephant leg umbrella stand


[Steve .shimp.] soft as a jawbreaker... comes in fifty pound bags, and now in "clumping" variety!

[March Hare] or his silk worms

[Scott in KC] Jello again. I am slow tonight.

[Laura Leff] I don't necessarily have a complete list, just good for a brain teaser

[Laura Leff] And I guess the Quiz Kids don't count

[Maxwell] They'd be boarders.

[Laura Leff] Like Mr. Billingsley

[Maxwell] Right.

[Laura Leff] Back in the Canada Dry days, they did an episode called "Boarding House Night"

[March Hare] he was really funny : (drumroll) Could you please pass the salt?

[Laura Leff] A show aimed at all the people living in boarding houses

[Laura Leff] March - Yeah, it was about like that.

[March Hare] I wish they had done more with Billingsley

[Laura Leff] Ed Beloin was talented as a performer as well as a writer.

[Scott in KC] Did Carmichael eat him too?

[Laura Leff] So was Bill Morrow, for that matter

[Laura Leff] Scott - No, he went into movies.

[Actually_Frank] Didn't MTV try to bring back boarding house gags with the series "Real Life"?

[KayLhota] they both did funny stuff when Jack was out sick, and they were the drug store guys

[Scott in KC] Did he have a daughter named Barbara Billingsley?    

[Laura Leff] I was reading an Orson Welles biography off the Borders' clearance table

[KayLhota] Any good, Laura?

[Maxwell] Borders or Boarders?

[Laura Leff] Trying to see if they had an indication about why Welles was chosen to sub for Jack

[Laura Leff] They recalled the famous gag (their words, obviously not mine) where

[Actually_Frank] I thought Orson Welles made a much funnier substitute than expected.

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[Laura Leff] Jack encounters a burglar who demands, "Your money or your life"

[Maxwell] Hey McGee!

[Laura Leff] and after a long pause and much laughter, Jack says, "I'm turning it over."

[Laura Leff] At that point, I lost faith in the book.

[March Hare] Hiya Fibber...don't open that door!!!

[Fibber McGee] Can't stay long, gotta clean out my closet

[KayLhota] I got the impression that subbing for Jack Benny gave Welles the idea for his program "Your Radio Almanac"

[Scott in KC] Hi Fib. How's Mol?

[KayLhota] Hi Fibber

[Laura Leff] Oh hi Fibber!

[Fibber McGee] Everything's fine on Whistful Vista

[Laura Leff] kay - According to the book, Paley wired Welles afterwards and offered him a comedy show.

[Steve .shimp.] "I'm turning it over"?????

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yeah. I'm sure the clerks wondered who was yelling, "D

[KayLhota] which is why Welles had people like Hans Conried and Mel Blanc on the Almanac show.

[Laura Leff] "DAWWWWW!!!!" out by the clearance racks.

[March Hare] I recently listened to the Benny episode where Welles was giving Jack acting lessons...funny stuff.

[Steve .shimp.]  

[KayLhota] That is so funny, March.

[Laura Leff] Kay - That could very well be.

[Laura Leff] March - According to the book, Welles really dug into that guest shot. Loved every minute of it.

[Laura Leff] I like where the secretary comes in and sprays everything that Welles will have contact with

[KayLhota] He seemed to. He laughs a great deal.

[Laura Leff] Then she starts spraying Phl

[Laura Leff] Phil

[Scott in KC] <<< Musing Jack starring in "War of the Worlds."

[KayLhota]   Scott

[March Hare] Has anyone heard Jack doing June Moon?

[Steve .shimp.] I think Welles had a real sense of humor, I don't know why people think he didn't.

[Maxwell] March: Yup.

[Laura Leff] 2X2L calling 39...2X2L calling 39...is there anyone out there?

[March Hare] is it any good?

[KayLhota] Yes, March. Benny Rubin and Gus Schilling are in it too

[Steve .shimp.] C'mon, HISTORY OF THE WORLD PART I

[Maxwell] March: I enjoyed it.

[March Hare] is it a straight drama

[Steve .shimp.] Wasn't that one of our chat discussions awhile back?

[KayLhota] I thought it was fun, but not brilliant comedy. Well worth a listen

[Maxwell] June Moon is a comedy.

[March Hare] I would love to hear or see Jack do something really serious and dramatic

[Fibber McGee] Welles used to show up on Laugh In

[KayLhota] I'm going around singing "Paprika, Paprika, the spice of my life"

[Laura Leff] Good grief...our neighbor just took a baseball bat to my turkeys

[Maxwell] March The closest you might come to that in radio is Jack in Plan X on Suspense.

[March Hare] the closest thing I have seen to that is "Medicine Man"

[Laura Leff] jerk

[Steve .shimp.] Nooooooo! I had finally forgotten the Paprika!

[Maxwell] Is that the right name?

[Steve .shimp.] auuugh!

[Laura Leff] March - Suspense

[March Hare] Laura...are you for real? A bat?

[KayLhota] "Murder in G Flat" is more serious, I thought

[Maxwell] Somebody ought to take it to your neighbor.

[Laura Leff] March - Honest. I heard some sort of squabble and distress call from the turkeys

[Fibber McGee] Everone knows you use golf clubs for turkeys...

[Laura Leff] Then I saw our neighbor on his back porch swinging a bat and laughing

[March Hare] That is terrible

[Maxwell] Jerk.

[Laura Leff] He's into guns and bow/arrows...surprised he didn't use that.

[Steve .shimp.] Darn Bay Area hippies!

[Scott in KC] Sheldon Leonard would have been good in "Sorry, Wrong Number" as one of the killers.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I've thought of it.

[KayLhota] chills

[Laura Leff] Steve - No, he's got NRA bumper stickers (and the like) on his vehicles.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Good point.

[Actually_Frank] Sheldon Leonard used to get fan mail from real mobsters, which creeped him out a bit.

[KayLhota] the first few versions of "Sorry Wrong Number" had Hans Conried doing an Italian thug accent as one of the killers

[Laura Leff] Frank - Really?

[March Hare] Joe E. Brown used to get fan mail from them too....

[Scott in KC] Frank, what did they day? "Hey, bud......."

[KayLhota]   Scott

[Laura Leff] I remember when they aired The Godfather that they had to put a disclaimer saying that it "did not mean to indicate or infer any particular nationality, etc. or links with organized crime"

[Scott in KC] Thank you, Kay. ^5

[Laura Leff] I only watched the Sopranos on DVD, so I don't know if HBO has to do that

[Maxwell] I remember when they had to start using non-Italian names for gangsters on the Untouchables.

[KayLhota] yeah, they can't all be Italian.

[Laura Leff] Hey, John just doesn't go like Hey, Guido

[Steve .shimp.] Well, LL, how far are you from the Black Muslim Bakery (somethin' I miss in Oakland)?

[Actually_Frank] To be fair, all ethnic groups produced organized crime (remember the tong wars?)

[March Hare] Ying Mao Tong vs. Eliot Ness

[KayLhota]   March

[Laura Leff] Steve - Interesting question, because Dan got caught in the traffic tie-up from them cordoning off the surrounding streetss

[Laura Leff] Frank - Yes, that was in "Horse Feathers"

[KayLhota]   Laura

[Laura Leff] Steve - It's probably about 15 minutes from us, not counting traffic

[Scott in KC] Laura, did they serve "cyamrron" rolls there?

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, that whole thing is crazy!

[Laura Leff] What kind of icemen are you? Where are your tongs?

[KayLhota] Mel did the cimaron rolls on Jack's show. With all the ingrediments.

[Laura Leff] Scott - I often thought about going there because I heard such silly accusations about it

[Scott in KC] I can't spell and Mel Blanc can't talk. Sorry for the typo.

[Laura Leff] Scott - But maybe it's not such a bad thing that I never made it.

[Steve .shimp.] I only use ingrediments in recipes now. I stopped using ingredients after listening to Mel.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind?

[Actually_Frank] Maybe the Microsoft helpful paperclip would have been more popular if he was voiced by Mel.

[March Hare] I have a question....does anyone know how we can get a copy of the Jack Benny TV shows

[KayLhota] I was telling my son Daniel about how Mel and Jack got to be close friends, and that Mel wasn't the type to have a lot of show biz friends

[March Hare] that aren't on dvd or the fan club web site?

[Scott in KC] Laura, was Mary responsible for letting Mary Kelly (aka the Blue Fairy) go?

[Laura Leff] March - Check the video library

[Maxwell] Well, I forgot to leave a link for this week's Those Were the Days. It led off with a Benny broadcast: 3/12/44.

[March Hare] I am looking the one with Billy Graham and Paul Lynne

[Laura Leff] Kay - Yes, Jack and Mary were friends with Mel and his wife

[Actually_Frank] The Jack Benny Show is largely in the public domain.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Good question, I've heard various assertions.

[Laura Leff] Mary was working on the Burns and Allen show for a while (and living with them IIRC)

[Scott in KC] I kinda liked here, Laura, but they made fun of her weight.

[March Hare] I have alot of them on tape but some of the key ones I want to see I haven't been able to find

[Scott in KC] her*

[Steve .shimp.] Yes, and had a much bigger part (no pun intended) as "Bubbles", Gracie's friend.

[Laura Leff] Although I'm not sure if the dates overlap

[Fibber McGee] Did you ever hear the comedian doing the routine about Hawaian names on Hawaii 5-O. In the credits, it would have "Chan Woo as How Fung"..... What's the difference.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Yes, those jokes don't gel with me too well. Not sure why I'm more OK with the Don jokes of the same ilk.

[Laura Leff] Fibber - Oh, I've heard that.

[March Hare] I mean someone has these episodes right? The Network keeps the shows on film don't they?

[KayLhota] The network doesn't keep the shows, March.

[Fibber McGee] Then he said a Hawaian would see the credits "Jack Lord as Steve McGarrett... what's the difference"....   

[Laura Leff] March - Well, some are at UCLA. Some may be in the archives of NBC Universal. Those specifically should be with NBC

[March Hare] So there are no copies of some of the shows?

[KayLhota] They keep them for a few years, then a new president comes in to clean house.

[Actually_Frank] The producers would have the showss.

[Scott in KC] Laura, BTW, I finally sent you those DVDs. You should get them this week. Well, Laura, I also did not like it when they made fun of Don's weight, too.

[March Hare] We should start a campaign to get these shows put out on dvd for all the fans

[KayLhota] There could also be syndication prints in 16mm

[Laura Leff] March - There's a copy of every show somewhere, with one or two possible exceptions, between UCLA, University of Wyoming, and the syndication package

[Actually_Frank] Well, they did do an episode with no insults.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Thanks much...I'll keep an eye out for them!

[Laura Leff] There was a rumor that CBS was putting out a test market package of Benny shows, but I haven't been able to verify it.

[March Hare] Laura...have you seen the Billy Graham episode? Or the one with Lynne?

[Laura Leff] Frank - Yes...a very good parody, too.

[KayLhota] it figures that no one at CBS would think to contact you, Laura.

[Scott in KC] Why the University of Wyoming? And you are welcome, Laura.

[Laura Leff] Trying to think of the columnist's name

[Laura Leff] Kay - Same could be said of Charley's Aunt, I suppose.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Because that's where Joan donated her material.

[Laura Leff] They have a really excellent facility in Laramie...the American Heritage Center. I spent a week there.

[Scott in KC] Why there? I thought she went to Stanford.

[Laura Leff] And I'll have to go back again some time in the future.

[Laura Leff] Scott - She did, but U of W offered to pay for all the legal fees of the transfer.

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] That would be awfully handy for me if all that stuff was in Stanford.

[Laura Leff] Oh well.

[Scott in KC] Thanks, Laura. I knew you knew.

[Steve .shimp.] LL, back a bit, you're thinking of Gilbert Seldes' column.

[Steve .shimp.] That inspired that no insult show.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, Gilbert Seldes. Thanks!

[KayLhota] yes

[Steve .shimp.] Joan went to Stanford? That hurts as a Cal alumn.

[Laura Leff] What else is on folks' minds?

[Steve .shimp.] But I'll forgive her.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yepper, Joan went to Stanford.

[Scott in KC] Steve...She played when Jon Elway was there.    

[Steve .shimp.] What did Joan major in?

[Laura Leff] If it helps, I was on UC Berkeley campus recently doing research for a non-Benny article.

[March Hare] Anyone ever seen the episode of Jack's show where Don and Dennis dress as Donna and Denise? I want to find that one as well...

[Laura Leff] Steve - I knew someone was going to ask me that. It's in Sunday Nights at Seven. Maybe psychology? Can't remember right off.

[Steve .shimp.] Ah, I'll check SNAS. No biggie.

[Laura Leff] Anything else on the Mel Blanc interview?

[Steve .shimp.] Is Dr. Demento still on?

[KayLhota] I loved the interview.

[Scott in KC] Steve....e-mail me. I have an interview with her, and I can let you know tomorrow. KCAgape@aol.com

[Steve .shimp.] OK, thanks Scott.

[Actually_Frank] He never got the story of his work on Pinoccio,

[Laura Leff] Mel Blanc was in Pinnochio?

[Scott in KC] Steve, I think she majored in economics.

[Maxwell] I'm just trying to remember something. What year did Mel have his car accident?

[KayLhota] Right. Mel Blanc did the voice of Gideon the cat, but they cut all of his lines.

[Steve .shimp.] Wasn't it '61?

[KayLhota] 1961

[Laura Leff] Scott - Maybe, but my MBA is in Economics/Finance and I think I would remember if she did the same. But I may be wrong.

[Steve .shimp.] That's a guess but sounds right.

[Maxwell] Thanks.

[Scott in KC] Laura, I will e-mail you the answer, too.

[Laura Leff] Scott - OK, thanks.

[Actually_Frank] After recording the voice of Gideon for several links, the only thing Disney used of Mel was one hiccup!

[Laura Leff] In following an 80-year breadcrumb trail, sometimes I drop some.

[Laura Leff] Frank - Wonder what he got paid for that.

[Steve .shimp.] Did Mel appear on any of Jack's specials after the TV show ended?

[Steve .shimp.] Oh, never mind, I know he did.

[KayLhota] luckily, Mel was working at 3 other cartoon studios and doing radio work

[Laura Leff] Steve - I know he was on the 20th anniversary show doing the Si-Sy routine

[Steve .shimp.] I've seen him doing Sy on at least one...that's it!

[Laura Leff] And he was on one of them with the "Tijuana Strings"

[Laura Leff] Another Si-sy routine

[KayLhota] yeah

[Steve .shimp.] Just trying to figure when the last time Mel and Jack worked together was.

[Laura Leff] I haven't seen 100% of all the specials, so I'm not 100% sure

[KayLhota] and he was on Jack's TV series pretty much to the end

[Laura Leff] Steve - Probably 1974 appearance on The Tonight Show, I'd guess

[KayLhota] Mel and Jack were on the Tonight show in 1974

[KayLhota] they did the Si Sy routine on that

[Laura Leff] So here's a question...

[Steve .shimp.] So that's right on till the end, more or less. They were good friends.

[KayLhota] Jack couldn't even look at Mel

[Laura Leff] seems like most people adore the Si-Sy routine

[Maxwell] Yeah, we know you don't, Laura....

[Laura Leff] and there have been protests that Speedy Gonzalez is racits

[Laura Leff] racist

[Maxwell] And I'm probably fonder of it than most.

[Laura Leff] Duh

[KayLhota] yeesh

[Laura Leff] So is Si-sy racist?

[KayLhota] it isn't my favorite, but I do laugh at it.

[KayLhota] I don't think it's racist.

[March Hare] I heard that is why Nich at Nite pulled Jack's show...because it portrayed Rochester in a poor light

[Steve .shimp.] I wouldn't say "racist" - maybe it wouldn't fly today though.

[KayLhota] When did Nick at Nite ever have Jack's show?

[Laura Leff] March - Really?

[Laura Leff] Ah, the turkeys are back

[Actually_Frank] Actually there are some Hispanic groups that want Cartoon Network to run Speedy, for he is a Hispanic hero.

[Laura Leff] BRB...want to throw them some corn

[March Hare] I think I read that some place

[Steve .shimp.] Racist to me is intentionally demeaning.

[March Hare] I know one thing...they sure don't show his Program anywhere anymore...and I have looked!

[Maxwell] Si-sy is simply word play, like "Who's on First."

[Steve .shimp.] Max, don't they run it in Chicago?

[KayLhota] March, they don't run a lot of black and white on TV anymore

[March Hare] Lucy Andy Beaver

[March Hare] no Jack

[Maxwell] They do run it on B&W Saturday Nights here in Chicago.

[KayLhota] but we live near Boston

[Maxwell] Kay: That's YOUR problem.    

[KayLhota] here, about the closest thing you get to a rerun is "Everybody Loves Raymond"

[Maxwell] No Seinfeld?

[Steve .shimp.] Meh, I've pretty much given up on TV. I am happier with DVDs!

[Actually_Frank] We live near Fred Allen's old haunts.

[KayLhota] Yes, we do get Seinfeld, now that you mention it.

[Scott in KC] Kay, I am surprised "Cheers" is not shown there.

[KayLhota] Not in years.

[Steve .shimp.] The problem is there are very few local stations that have their own programming anymore.

[March Hare] It is a shame...most people have never even seen Jack's TV work

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[KayLhota] Hi Yip

[Maxwell] I think there are still a couple of totally independent stations in Chicago.

[Steve .shimp.] Hiya ythapmys!

[Maxwell] Hey yht!

[March Hare] Jello ythapmys

[yhtapmys] Hi all/

[Actually_Frank] Hi Yip

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, the major markets might have one or two - but for most of the country, like where I live...nada.

[Maxwell] My son finally set up to record Jack every week so he can watch it. Naturally they're now in the '64-65 season.

[Maxwell] Last night was Lucille Ball as Paul Revere's wife.

[KayLhota] I remember seeing some of that first run.

[Actually_Frank] Nobody runs "Romper Room" anymore, so now we have a nation of "don't bees"

[Maxwell] Earliest I remember is Jack on Sunday nights alternating with Private Secretary.

[KayLhota] I remember Connie Francis as Mrs. Stephen Foster

[Steve .shimp.]  

[Maxwell] That was on a few months ago.

[Steve .shimp.] I did not like that lady looking at me through the other side of the teevee.

[KayLhota] I saw it when I was 7 years old.

[Maxwell] I remember the Lucky Strike auctioneer.

[Laura Leff] Back

[KayLhota] hi Laura

[Scott in KC] WB LL

[Laura Leff] The turkeys were skittish because of our stupid neighbor, but they're still pecking away at the ear of corn I shucked for them

[Laura Leff] What'd I miss?

[Actually_Frank] The whole idea of a Romper Room mirror that allowed the hostess to see all the kids in the audience is a bit 1984-ish.

[Steve .shimp.] the stylish rantings of madmen

[KayLhota] yeah

[Maxwell] No more so than Santa Claus seeing everything you do.

[yhtapmys] Frank. they did that in the '60s.

[Actually_Frank] The problem with the Jack Benny TV show is that they could not do fantastic storylines such as the trial by turkeys.

[Fibber McGee] He's refering to George Orwell, 1984

[Laura Leff] Dan and I have been watching Doctor Who recently.

[March Hare] they did a trial about the murdered Rooster tho

[Laura Leff] There's a record from about 1920 called "Santa Claus hides in your victrola"

[KayLhota] yes, that is true.

[Maxwell] Frank, you're right. The closest they could come to that was the Raymond Burr appearance where he was tried for killing a couple of birds.

[Actually_Frank] Now the turkey trial would be done using CGI.

[KayLhota] right

[KayLhota] CGI, what a chilling thought

[Maxwell] That's what it was...a rooster.

[Steve .shimp.] I'm more scared of Santa in my victrola now!

[March Hare] a good episode

[Laura Leff] Santa Claus was played by Ernie Hare of the Happiness Boys


[Fibber McGee] CSI, Waukegan

[Maxwell] What, no Billy Jones?

[Laura Leff]  

[Steve .shimp.]   fibber

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Billy Jones didn't do a real good Mrs. Santa

[Actually_Frank] Santa can't hide in your MP3 player.

[Laura Leff] Gads, what a joy to be amongst people who know who the Happiness Boys are

[Steve .shimp.] My MP3 player has a big ear trumpet attached to it.

[Laura Leff] and their names, even


[Scott in KC] Murder at Jack Benny Junior High.

[March Hare] no, but Bush can hide on your phone

[Steve .shimp.] And a crank

[Laura Leff] Scott - Unfortunately, that could happen

[Scott in KC] Laura, I know. I teach middle school (for now).

[Actually_Frank] As long as Bush does not have that magic mirror!

[Laura Leff] Sad irony - I don't know if they did it or not, but there was talk of them cutting the music program at JBMS

[Maxwell] Scott More power to you!

[KayLhota] that is sad.

[Scott in KC] Thank you, Max. I teach special ed.

[Maxwell] Even more power to you!

[Laura Leff] Wow...impressive!

[Actually_Frank] Around here, a lot of schools are charging fees for extra-ciricular activities.

[Maxwell] I have a hard enough time teaching chemistry and physics to high schoolers.

[KayLhota] Gosh, I hope the present generation at JBMS knows a little about Jack Benny. At least that he was a major star.

[Laura Leff] IIRC, the new principal was somewhat more interested.

[March Hare] if they are like most teenagers..they don't care

[Scott in KC] They are the 39ers?

[Laura Leff] I tried to sell JBMS items as a fundraiser for the last one, and suffice it to say that it ended badly.

[Laura Leff] Scott - That's the sports team

[KayLhota] that is a sad story

[Maxwell] School funding in IL is a mess.

[Laura Leff] What can you do...you can't win every battle

[Scott in KC] Cute, Laura. I did not know for sure. I looked at their URL.

[Laura Leff] So Jack played with many symphony orchestras to raise money, and saved several of them.

[Laura Leff] Are local symphony orchestras like that still in bad times?

[Maxwell] And of course the first thing to go is the arts.

[KayLhota] Opera died in boston years ago.

[Laura Leff] Max - Exactly why I ask. Just wondering if there's still a need for someone like a Jack Benny to do such fundraisers.

[Laura Leff] I don't have anyone in mind, just wondering aloud.

[Maxwell] LL there needs to be somebody.

[Laura Leff] Danny Kaye was also doing it for a while, around the same time as Jack was.

[Scott in KC] Maybe Yo Yo Ma.

[yhtapmys] Lots of places are named after people and no one knows the origin.

[Laura Leff] I live in the San Francisco area with a rich arts heritage, so I don't know what's happening in the local venues.

[yhtapmys] Time marches on.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Hopefully the statue in downtown Waukegan will be a clue.

[Fibber McGee] Gotta run... See you next month...

[Laura Leff] Take care, Fibber!

[Steve .shimp.] Bye Fibber

[KayLhota] night Fibber

[Maxwell] G'night Fibber.

[Scott in KC] Take care, Fib.

[Laura Leff] It would be interesting to see how many of the orchestras Jack played with still exist.

[Laura Leff] Carnegie Hall certainly still exists.

[Maxwell] Well, perhaps if some kids stumbles across Channel 223 at 10:30 on a Saturday night, they'll find out who Jack is.

[Steve .shimp.] They should make the JBMS kids do a "Beverly Hills Beavers" style show recreation once a year...

[Scott in KC] I think he played here with Harry S Truman.

[KayLhota] if they can pay attention that long

[Laura Leff] Steve - An interesting idea...

[Maxwell] Well, my kid got interested back when CBN was playing the Benny reruns.

[Steve .shimp.] I would have thought it was really cool to attend JBMS. I discovered Jack around that age.

[Maxwell] Of course he had to watch what I did because he didn't have a TV in his room.

[yhtapmys] Max, all people have to do is do to a web site,

[Laura Leff] At least JBMS got involved with the Jack Benny 39-cent stamp campaign

[Laura Leff] Had the kids write letters

[Laura Leff] Was hoping to get copies of some of them, but it didn't happen

[Steve .shimp.] That's right.

[yhtapmys] I've talked to people who learned of JAck via the web

[Steve .shimp.] So, how will we all feel when Jack gets on a 41 cent stamp knowing our brilliant government? Happy or infuriated?

[Laura Leff] Yht - The IJBFC specifically, or YouTube, or...?

[Actually_Frank] Gotta get more Jack Benny clips onto YouTube.

[Laura Leff] Steve - I think we can all collectively say, "Now cut that out!"

[Maxwell] There's some great Benny on YouTube.

[Scott in KC] Maybe a contest like: "I can stand Jack Benny....."

[Laura Leff] So what's the copyright-YouTube thing?

[yhtapmys] Laura, they heard the name and then looked it up.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Gotcha

[Laura Leff] I haven't looked at the clips on YouTube and cross-reference to PD or copyright shows...

[Maxwell] Scott: Nostalgia Digest had one of those a couple of issues back.

[yhtapmys] It wasn't ;like theyt said "Oh, I saw something one YTUbe

[Laura Leff] can they show something copyrighted as fair use, or...?

[March Hare] well gang this has been fun but I need to sign off and crunch some numbers for work...

[Maxwell] Some of those clips are 4-5 minutes long, I think.

[Steve .shimp.] I think they skate a bit with the "fair use" as the clips are short (2 or 3 mins). Certainly questionable.

[Maxwell] Good night March.

[Laura Leff] Have fun, March.

[KayLhota] goodnight March

[March Hare] bye all

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[Actually_Frank] There's a lot of Benny in the public domain.

[Maxwell] And a lot of the stuff on YouTube is the PD stuff.

[Laura Leff] Frank - But not as much as claim to be in PD that aren't...like the radio shows

[Laura Leff] Max - Like the Bob Hope Road to Zanzibar, jam session, etc.?

[Actually_Frank] We need radio version of YouTube (YouSpeaker?)

[Laura Leff] YouHorn

[yhtapmys] Well, that's a whole rights issue that will never be resolved

[Laura Leff] Yht - Which...radio or TV?

[Actually_Frank] YouHoo?

[Maxwell] I'm trying to remember...and the only thing I can think of is the violin duet with Giselle MacKenzie where his Hong Kong suit falls apart.

[Steve .shimp.] Well, almost all OTR has become "de facto" PD even if it truly isn't - copies are so ubiquitous and rights holders so unable to enforce anything...

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I'd have to look on my list as to whether that's PD or not.

[Scott in KC] I am gonna research Joan Benny. God bless everyone!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Radio Spirits was making big talk about tackling it, but then they went out of business.

[KayLhota] goodnight Scott

[Maxwell] I know there are several segments that are on the 25 episode CD I got for Christmas.

[Laura Leff] Scott - Have a good one!

[Steve .shimp.] Exactly, LL.

[Maxwell] Good night Scott.

[Scott in KC] .....and Laura, take your time with those DVD's. Enjoy!

[Steve .shimp.] Similar things happen with movies that just get distributed so widely that it's beyond hope trying to sue all the distributors.

[Steve .shimp.] Just not cost-effective.

[Laura Leff] I had talked with the estate about it, and my advice was that it would probably cause more ill will to really go after the pirates than it would yield profits.

[Laura Leff] Scott - will do! Thanks again!

[Scott in KC] My pleasure!

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[Actually_Frank] It's more like abandonware: OTR doesn

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah, at least the up side is that Jack is out there and available, even if in often shoddy quality and folks aren't getting their proper due.

[Actually_Frank] OTR is more like abandonware: the copyright holds just don't see much value in it.

[Laura Leff] I recently rented a Video Yesteryear copy of "Rififi" because the Criterion Collection version was checked out. The audio was so bad and the subtitles so unreadable that I wished I'd waited.

[Laura Leff] Frank - Varies, though. The BPL holds the rights to Fred Allen stuff, and claims that they think there's big money in it. They just never get around to doing anything with it.

[Laura Leff] Too much bureaucracy. But the people I've worked with there are a fantastic bunch.

[Steve .shimp.] The more an organization holds on to something like Fred Allen though, the more he disappears from cultural memory.

[Steve .shimp.] I'd venture to say more people know Jack Benny than Fred Allen these days.

[Laura Leff] Some aren't interested, some don't think it's worth it, some don't even seem to realize how much their rights are being infringed.

[yhtapmys] The BPL is dreaming if they think there's $$ in it.

[Laura Leff] Steve - Oh yeah.

[Laura Leff] Yht - I told them that, too. But hey, I'm just a lone researcher.

[KayLhota] Well, I think the BPL is clueless about what to do with the collection, besides hold it.

[Maxwell] Kay That sounds pretty logical.

[Maxwell] You might just be right.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Not necessarily. Folks who work there have told me some of the thoughts that have been bantered about. They claim they need to do more research into the rights issues.

[Laura Leff] I've given them all the information I have on copyrights, and even got a lawyer to volunteer to do the work for them.

[KayLhota] but, I guess it isn't a high priority for the BPL

[Laura Leff] There you go.

[Maxwell] That's too bad.

[Steve .shimp.] Well, that's the ideal situation where BPL should subcontract their rights to someone else.

[Laura Leff] I was pretty proud that they stood up to the Homeland Security thing that said they'd have to hand over people's library records. Called my friends there and told them so.

[Steve .shimp.] "You figure it out, you distribute, and we'll take our cut".

[Steve .shimp.] Good for them!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, hopefully someone will be able to negotiate that with them.

[Laura Leff] So what else is on the docket for tonight?

[yhtapmys] It's dumb. No one under 50 has even *heard* of Fred Allen.

[Laura Leff] Yht - Well, his stuff is pretty topical.

[Maxwell] I don't even remember ever seeing Fred Allen on TV. I remember the Today Show doing some kind of tribute when he died.

[KayLhota] and fewer people will know about him if his stuff is locked away tight.

[Laura Leff] I'm sure Fred Allen would have something to say about that.

[Laura Leff] Or they know Fred through Jack.

[Laura Leff] I'm sure the irony of that would not escape Fred.

[Steve .shimp.] The irony might escape Jack.

[Laura Leff] I think Jack would think that it's a shame just as all of us do

[Laura Leff] So here's another question...

[Actually_Frank] And if the BPL does make a lot of money from Fred Allen, will they keep the money in their underground vault?

[Laura Leff] How many people under 50 have heard of Eddie Cantor?

[KayLhota] oh my!

[Steve .shimp.] Yeah. So does BPL actually have discs of all those shows not in circulation?

[Laura Leff] Steve - I don't know if they have the discs...I know they have tapes.

[Maxwell] LL probably a very small percentage.

[yhtapmys] Laura, I'd guess few.

[KayLhota] My kids, but they had exceptional parents.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Indeed.

[Maxwell] Unless they watch TCM and see some of his old flicks.

[Laura Leff] So how many under 50 have heard of Ed Wynn?

[Maxwell] MOre. He was in Mary Poppins.

[Steve .shimp.] Probably lots. Mary Poppins!

[KayLhota] They saw him in Mary Poppins

[Laura Leff] OK, good point.

[Laura Leff] How about Al Jolson?

[KayLhota] Joe Penner?

[Maxwell] Jolson Not many.

[Laura Leff] Or Fibber McGee and Molly?

[Maxwell] Penner None

[Laura Leff] Or Amos n Andy?

[Maxwell] Fibber/Molly Few

[KayLhota] The Great Gildersleeve?

[Maxwell] A&A Few

[Maxwell] Gildersleeve, I'd venture to say very few.

[yhtapmys] I work with people who haven't heard of the last station I worked at (which signed on in 1926)/

[KayLhota] wow

[Laura Leff] My point being that the loss of Fred Allen (and most of these we've named) is probably more due to lack of ongong exposure, as opposed to, say, I Love Lucy

[Actually_Frank] At this point, very few young people know who Jack Parr is.

[Maxwell] Bingo!

[Steve .shimp.] It depends on if these acts 1. made a transition to TV that got rerun, or 2. had some kind of late career boost a la George Burns

[Laura Leff] What about Lenny Bruce?

[Laura Leff] Or Jack E. Leonard, or Shelly Berman?

[Maxwell] Well, they did make that movie with Dustin Hoffman 30 years ago.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Which was pretty good.

[Maxwell] Yup.

[KayLhota] but few young people today would know that movie

[Maxwell] And a lot of comics give credit to Lenny Bruce.

[Actually_Frank] A lot orof comics credit Jack Benny

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Very true. But how many people would hear that and seek out his work?

[Steve .shimp.] Part of it is the natural ebb and flow of popularity. Not everyone's going to stay around in literature and performance, much as it pains us when those who slip away are our favorites.

[yhtapmys] Laura, I work with people who have never seen 'The Beverly Hillbillies' of 'Giillians Island'. Basically, I'm a generation behind them.

[Maxwell] Not many. But that's true of any branch of entertainment. They don't go look at the sources.

[Laura Leff] Bill Cosby, different story (just thinking of '60s standups)

[Laura Leff] Yht - Perhaps they have been blessed    

[KayLhota] that's true, Yip. Most young people have not seen the 60's sitcoms.

[KayLhota] Once they went to cable, they got buried.

[Maxwell] Gilligan's has been in reruns forever.

[KayLhota] not in years, Max.

[Laura Leff] And most young people probably haven't seen the original Bob Newhart show or Mary Tyler Moore, which are both brilliant

[Maxwell] Most know Jeannie and Bewitched....

[yhtapmys] I did, Kay, because that's alll that was on TV.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Ah, ongoing reruns.

[Maxwell] Yup.

[Laura Leff] Brady Bunch, same thing

[Maxwell] Even the Partridge Family.

[Maxwell] Although I'll never know why.

[KayLhota] yes, Yip. but, my nephew is 16 and has never seen gilligan's Island

[Laura Leff] Max - Was just wondering that myself

[Steve .shimp.] Even the reruns aren't the same anymore. Kids don't have the same "shared" memories of TV - there are 500 channels now, not one you came home from school to watch.

[yhtapmys] I haven't owned a TV in maybwe 10 years so Lord knows what they show now.

[Maxwell] Most local stations show reruns that go back as far as the 90s.

[KayLhota] I don't watch much network TV, yip. Not since they started eating bugs.

[Laura Leff] So longevity has to do with exposure, not quality.

[Maxwell] LL to a large extent yes.

[Laura Leff] And sadly, it seems like quality doesn't necessarily contribute to exposure.

[Maxwell] Again to a large extent yes.

[Maxwell] Oh, another show most have seen, I think: Green Acres.

[Laura Leff] Otherwise, we'd be able to find The Naked City and Playhouse 90 somewhere on the dial

[KayLhota] oh my, yeah

[Laura Leff] Greeeeeeen Acres is the place to be

[yhtapmys] If they had kinoscopes.

[Steve .shimp.] Green Acres actually improves with age.

[Maxwell] Some of the later Playhouse 90s were taped.

[Steve .shimp.] It gets funnier every time I see it, unlike its contemporaries.

[Laura Leff] And Naked City is on DVD

[Maxwell] I lot of that goes to Dick Chevillat and Richard L. Bare, I think.

[Steve .shimp.] And Jay Sommers.

[KayLhota] all top people

[Maxwell] Yup.

[Maxwell] Ever see any of Bare's Joe McDoaks shorts?

[KayLhota] they are inspired!

[yhtapmys] But their stuff in the 70s was crap.

[KayLhota] well, a lot of people get old and lose their punch

[Laura Leff] What about Rocky and Bullwinkle?

[KayLhota] brilliant

[Maxwell] About as off the wall as any Green Acres episode.

[Steve .shimp.] Watch me pull a rabbit out of this hat.

[Laura Leff] Is it rerun anywhere now?

[KayLhota] I don't think so.

[Steve .shimp.] Ever see the Green Acres with June Foray on it?

[Maxwell] Rocky and Bullwinkle still get rerun, I think.

[Steve .shimp.] (speaking of Rocky)

[Actually_Frank] Again? but that trick never works!

[Maxwell] Although, probably not here since WGN canceled Bozo.

[Steve .shimp.] Bozo got cancelled?

[Maxwell] Several years ago.

[Laura Leff] I just think of that as quality, could easily sell today, but not on the air

[Laura Leff] Ah...I guess that means Cookie got the axe.

[Maxwell] Yup, and Wizzo, too.

[KayLhota] Cookie passed away before Bozo ended

[Laura Leff] I think I saw his costume in the Museum of Broadcasting.

[Steve .shimp.] When I get into my eighties I am doing my remaining hair like Bozo.

[Maxwell] You won't find anything there now.

[Actually_Frank] After 40 years on the air, yes Bozo got cancelled.

[Laura Leff] I wonder if Bozo is cancelled everywhere. The guy who did it in Grand Rapids was this really

[Laura Leff] straight-laced newscaster who just went crazy with his alter ego

[yhtapmys] Hmm. I've been on 21 years but haven'e been cancelled.

[KayLhota] I'm sure Chicago's Bozo had to be the last

[Maxwell] The original Chicago Bozo retired (and eventually passed away) and he was replaced by a guy who wasn't nearly as good.

[KayLhota] bob Bell?

[Maxwell] Yeah.

[Laura Leff] Dick Richards...screamingly funny as Grand Rapids Bozo...pretty boring as himself

[KayLhota] Remember when he hosted the Stooges?

[Maxwell] Yup as "Andy Starr."

[KayLhota] And Ray Rayner had three shows on WGN every day

[Maxwell] At the old Odeon Theater.

[Maxwell] Including Bozo where he was Oliver O. Oliver.

[Laura Leff] Dan and I have noticed that the second Doctor Who looks exactly like Moe from the Three Stooges.

[Maxwell] Ray Rayner died a few years ago, too.

[Laura Leff] Remember the WGN Bozo game of throwing the ping pong balls in the bucket?

[Actually_Frank] I just couldn't get into the Val Kilmer Bozo.

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[Steve .shimp.] I just saw him in a movie, Patrick Troughton? Yep. Moe, definitely.

[Maxwell] The Grand Prize Game!

[Laura Leff] Max - Yeah! The GRAND PRIZE Game!

[Maxwell] It's on a Mommy!

[Maxwell] It lost a lot when Ned Locke retired.

[KayLhota] the magic arrows

[KayLhota] he was a marvelous ringmaster

[Maxwell] Frazier Thomas was a bit pompous, perfect for Garield Goose and Friends.

[KayLhota] I used to love that show

[Maxwell] What really went downhill was the music. They started out with about a 12-13 piece band and ended up with one guy on a keyboard.

[KayLhota] Garfield Goose is probably my dearest Chicago show memory

[Laura Leff] I think I missed that one

[KayLhota] What was his name? Bob Trainer and his Big top Band?

[Maxwell] They had a show about the kids shows on WGN Christmas Eve a couple of years ago.

[Maxwell] Trendler.

[KayLhota] Trendler.

[KayLhota] thanks

[Maxwell] He was on staff at WGN radio for years before moving to TV.

[Maxwell] Of course they showed the classic Christmas cartoons from Garfield Goose: Hardrock Coco and Joe, Susie Snowflake, and Frosty the Snowman.

[Laura Leff] So how did people in other areas of the country get exposed to this? Cable like me, or...?

[KayLhota] remember "Wanda and the Wicked Princess"

[Maxwell] Local TV for me. You'd watch it after school.

[KayLhota] no, I lived in Park Ridge IL until 1966

[Maxwell] Or when you went home for lunch in the case of Bozo.

[Laura Leff] Kay - Aha.....that makes more sense

[Steve .shimp.] We had WGN on cable in Michigan, like you LL.

[Maxwell] Or before you went to school in the case of Ray Rayner.

[KayLhota] but, I spent my summer visiting relatives in Boston until we moved back in 1966

[Maxwell] Remember Diver Dan?

[Maxwell] "Call me Baron, stupid!"

[Steve .shimp.] I only remember Bozo tho.

[KayLhota] Frank is from Detroit. He might remember more of this

[Maxwell] "Okay Baron Stupid."

[KayLhota] I can tell you about Boston

[Laura Leff] Steve - OK, then it wasn't just me not paying attention

[KayLhota] childrens TV

[KayLhota] and watching Jack Benny on CBS

[Laura Leff] I grew up with Sesame Street. It came on the air the same year I did

[Maxwell] I was in college when it came on, and it became a favorite.

[Steve .shimp.] You must have been on the air early, LL!

[Maxwell] (Sesame St.)

[Laura Leff] Steve -Speaking euphemistically, of course

[Steve .shimp.]  

[Maxwell] I did Grover, and another guy on my dorm floor did Cookie Monster.

[Laura Leff] Max - Gee, I didn't even know you swung that way

[Maxwell] I'm into Muppets.

[KayLhota] tsk

[Laura Leff] So I see

[Steve .shimp.] I think the intro of Elmo might have been the shark jump for Sesame Street

[Maxwell] Don't tell my wife, though!

[Laura Leff] Steve - Yes, and others would probably argue just the opopsite!

[Laura Leff] opposit

[Laura Leff] opposite

[Laura Leff] dang

[Steve .shimp.] My nieces would argue the opposite!

[Maxwell] Third times a charm.

[Actually_Frank] I just barely remember Diver Dan, but I do remember "Johnny Ginger" and "Captain Detroit".

[Laura Leff] Electric Company

[Maxwell] Oh, LL...something musical for you. I know you're into early jazz...

[Laura Leff] Here's something for the Bostoners...ZOOM

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - Absolutely

[KayLhota] oh sure

[Maxwell] We had Zoom here, too.

[KayLhota] but Zoom originated here in Boston

[Actually_Frank] ZOOM was made in Boston.

[Maxwell] Okay, modern player, breat jazz player from Sweden named Gunhild Carling....

[Laura Leff] Zoom - Z double O M, Box 350, Boston Mass Ohhhh-two-onnnnne-three-fouurrrrrr

[Maxwell] breat = great

[Laura Leff] Send it to ZOOM!

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OK

[Laura Leff] Is he a Hazy Natsy fan?    

[Steve .shimp.] There was a '70s psychedelic Detroit ripoff of Sesame Street called "The Hot Fudge Show" that no one remembers.

[Maxwell] Started on trombone when she was very little...her whole family had a trad. jazz band...lots of good stuff on YouTube...about three pages worth of videos listed. Here's a link to the list:

[Maxwell] http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Gunhild+Carling&search=Search

[Laura Leff] Steve - I think that one missed us in GR

[Actually_Frank] Actually, the guy who did "Hot Fudge" later joined the Muppets.

[Steve .shimp.] I think it was on WKBD. The theme was "Hot Fudge, Holey Moley! We're going to have some fun..."

[Laura Leff] Cool...I'll have to check it out.

[Steve .shimp.] Frank, you know that show? No one I talk to believes it existed.

[Maxwell] You'll enjoy it, I'm sure. She's terrific. You should check out Skokiaan which was taped when she was 18.

[Laura Leff] Product of a bad trip, maybe

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OK, will do. I made sure that I captured it in the chat text

[Actually_Frank] Yes, I think the guy did musician puppets that later joined Dr. Teeth.

[Steve .shimp.] For me it could only be like, expired milk on my Lucky Charms at that age!

[Maxwell] Let me know how you like it.

[Laura Leff]  

[Steve .shimp.] That would make sense. There was one green shaggy puppet that would fit in well with Dr. Teeth.

[Laura Leff] Here Steve, have some bad shimp...

[Steve .shimp.] The colors, the colors!

[Laura Leff] No no...not the mushrooms

[Laura Leff] (Guess I'm harkening back to the discussion I judiciously edited from the last chat)

[Laura Leff] Anyhow...

[Steve .shimp.] Shoot, I missed the last chat, had family in town. Must have been a good one.

[Laura Leff] So what else Benny-wise? Any lingering, nagging questions or discussions?

[Maxwell] Almost as good as this one.

[KayLhota] this one was lively

[Laura Leff] Kay - You can retell your story. I didn't edit that

[KayLhota] what story was that?

[Laura Leff] Steve - Kay's story was what started it.

[KayLhota] I don't remember?

[Maxwell] And now she doesn't remember it!

[Laura Leff] Which is ironic, considering the story


[Maxwell] That's the way it is with troublemakers!    

[KayLhota] Oh yes. Laura just reminded me

[Laura Leff] Irony boggles the mind

[KayLhota] It was my lively discussion with a girl at College, just chatting.

[KayLhota] Then she interupted me with the question: "You don't smoke pot, do you?"

[KayLhota] Which I didn't.

[Laura Leff] Chatting with the same level of detail and recall that we have here

[KayLhota] And she told me that it was my memory, which would have been affected by it if I did.

[Laura Leff] And that took us in some interesting directions.

[Steve .shimp.] I can imagine...

[Maxwell] I'm sorry, Kay. Did you just say something?


[Laura Leff] Too bad you weren't there to bring up cannibal jerky

[Laura Leff] (Having just watched Delicatessen a couple nights ago.)

[KayLhota] Well, I thought the silly direction last month's chat went in was funny and surreal.

[Maxwell] Surreal is a good word for it.

[Steve .shimp.] It often does get surreal around here!

[KayLhota] yes it does

[Laura Leff] And I'll take the blame for that. My sense of humor is best described as "surreal".

[Laura Leff] "Dr. Strangelove" is a favorite.

[Maxwell] Same here.

[Maxwell] How about The Loved One?

[Steve .shimp.] We've done mutant Jell-O, Silence of the Lambs and Pulp Fiction Benny - lots of strange goings on.


[Laura Leff] OK, so I recommend "Delicatessen" for those with similarly surreal senses of humor.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - haven't seen it

[Steve .shimp.] I have seen that. It is really odd.

[Maxwell] It's a must.

[Laura Leff] How old is it?

[KayLhota] Frank's screen keeps freezing.

[Maxwell] If only for the refrigerator scene.

[Laura Leff] Give him a heater

[Maxwell] Mid or late '60s.

[Laura Leff] The Triplets of Belleville can also be good

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - OK, I'll make a mental note of that.

[Maxwell] Great cast: Rod Steiger, Sir John Gielgud, Robert Morse, Paul Williams...

[Laura Leff] what a combination...

[Laura Leff] What's the premise?

[KayLhota] sounds like a great cast

[Maxwell] Funerals.

[KayLhota] "The Loved One"

[Laura Leff] Ah, Six Feet Under prequel

[Actually_Frank] In the Jack Benny version of "Die Hard", would there be an auto chase involving the Maxwell?

[Maxwell] Rod Steiger is an embalmer named Joyboy.

[Laura Leff] I also liked "Eating Raoul", but saw it a number of years ago.

[Laura Leff] Frank - You know, I'm in need of doing some research on the third Doctor Who, because his car looks STRIKINGLY like Jack's 1923 Maxwell.

[Laura Leff] Maxwell - I could see Gielgud as a good undertaker

[Maxwell] There is one scene you might find offensive, and that IS the refrigerator scene.

[Laura Leff] Sometime's comedy just has to take it to the edge.

[Maxwell] It's really a pretty good satire of the funeral industry, though.

[Actually_Frank] If Superman were in the "Dr. Who" universe, he'd be very careful about *which* phone booth he'd use.

[Laura Leff] I don't offend easily. Although the neighbor taking a baseball bat to my turkeys offended me.

[Laura Leff] Frank -   

[Laura Leff] You'd think he'd prefer British booths that don't have windows

[Maxwell] I'd check out Gunhild Carling before the Loved One, but those are my priorities.

[Laura Leff] Easier to get to, at least.

[Maxwell] Yeah.

[Laura Leff] Oh, Pedro Almadovar comedies are also good.

[Laura Leff] Heck, Pedro Almadovar dramas are good too.

[Laura Leff] So wondering about this...I asked Dan recently if he was interested in the "Pink Panther" movies.

[Laura Leff] He said no.

[Laura Leff] I'm interested because I like Peter Sellers in Strangelove so much.

[Laura Leff] So is there any crossover between Benny appreciation and Pink Panther appreciation?

[Maxwell] I loved the Pink Panther movies.

[Steve .shimp.] Geez, I haven't seen them in ages, but remember Peter Sellers being funny in them.

[Laura Leff] I'm not real big into fart jokes or bathroom humor...I know he can go there...

[Maxwell] And Herbert Lom as the butt of all his disasters.

[Laura Leff] Sellers on The Muppet Show was brilliant

[Laura Leff] I think Kay and Frank are conferring

[Maxwell] I forgot about Jonathan Winters in the Loved One.

[Laura Leff] Oh my!

[Maxwell] Dana Andrews, Milton Berle...

[Laura Leff] I recently reread some of his stuff from "Winters' Tales"

[Laura Leff] Much more surreal than I remembered.

[Laura Leff] Makes you understand why he got hauled off to the asylum once.

[Laura Leff] Is Winters dead?

[Maxwell] No, he's still alive.

[Actually_Frank] when Peter Sellers talked with the "Muppet Show" writers, he told them "I'll play any character you want, I'll even do Queen Victoria, but please don't have me play myself!"

[Laura Leff] Is he doing anything?

[Laura Leff] Frank - Not surprising...I think he tells Gonzo that he had himself surgically removed.

[Maxwell] He was doing some insurance commercial voiceovers several years ago, but I don't know about anything else.

[Maxwell] He's now 81.

[Laura Leff] I guess he deserves a break.

[Maxwell] I think All State.

[Laura Leff] So shall we call it good for this month?

[Actually_Frank] And that's why one of the characters Peter Sellers plays on the Muppet Show is Queen Victoria.

[Maxwell] Yeah, I need ice cream.

[Laura Leff] I need dinner

[Actually_Frank] OK by me.

[Maxwell] Go get dinner.

[Laura Leff] Frank - Really! I don't remember that. wonder if it's out on video.

[Maxwell] We'll go quietly!

[Laura Leff] Thanks everyone...fun chat as always!

[Maxwell] Always a good time.

[Steve .shimp.] OK, all, see you next month!

[Maxwell] See you in a month!

[KayLhota] goodnight

[Maxwell] I hope AFTER Labor Day weekend.

[KayLhota] it was a blast tonight