IJBFC Chat - July 9, 2006
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[Brad_from_Georgia] Hi, LL!
[Laura_Leff] Hi folks!
[Maxwell] Hey LL
[Laura_Leff] How's everyone doing tonight?
[Ozzie_Nelson] If you click on fload, the frame to the left goes away
[Maxwell] I'm tense and anxious. Listening to the White Sox vs. Red Sox game.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Doing well, thanks. Taking a break from working on a new children's mystery novel
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[Brad_from_Georgia] Hello, Barbara!
[Maxwell] Hi Barbara
[Laura_Leff] Hey Barbara!
[Barbara] Hi everyone!
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I wish I could get that game...
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I just bought my tickets for two As vs. Red Sox games.
[Brad_from_Georgia] If it's a tie, do they come out Pink Sox?
[Maxwell] I went to a minor league game here in town that started an hour later than the Sox game, and I've been home close to 3 hours.
[Laura_Leff] So is everyone staying cool today?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - What's the score?
[Maxwell] Tied at 5.
[Barbara] Not really. It's hot down here.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yeh, not bad in North Georgia--low 80s today, cloudy.
[Maxwell] 18th inning.
[Laura_Leff] Dan and I were just enjoying the warm day on the back patio.
[Maxwell] Mid-80s here.
[Laura_Leff] I think it's high 70s or low 80s here.
[Maxwell] Spent part of the afternoon in the sun at the ballpark and just as it was getting bad, the shadows came over us.
[Laura_Leff] So who listened to the show for this month?
[Maxwell] I did last week.
[Brad_from_Georgia] We'll be heading down to Orlando for our daughter's birthday later. It's hot down there.
[Maxwell] The main thing I remember is, "I paid for it!"
[Brad_from_Georgia] I listened to the show today, on the way to a meeting in atlanta.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Just in time for hurricanes.
[Barbara] I did. Jack was good, but I've never been a great Eddie Cantor fan.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL--bite your tongue! Amy fell off a bridge today and hurt herself--lucky it was a puppet bridge--she's a marionette puppeteer.
[Laura_Leff] Someone had brought up Eddie Cantor last month, and I figured it might be interesting to hear them both together.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Yikes. Hopefully she got tangled in the strings.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Poor Jack. It's always hard to follow a Marx Brother. I got the feeling they were really pressed for time by his part in the sho
[Barbara] It was fun to hear them together along with George and Gracie.
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[Maxwell] Hey Steve
[Laura_Leff] I know people have asked in the past about whether Jack brought his writers when he guested
[Steve__shimp_] Hi All
[Laura_Leff] Hey Steve!
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-she's banged up a bit--bruised rib and legs. The paramedics say she didn't break anything, though.
[Laura_Leff] I'm pretty sure he didn't in this case.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Thank goodness!
[Steve__shimp_] Holy cow, what happened?
[Maxwell] LL, that was my first thought.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-didn't sound like Jack's wriers at all.
[Barbara] His persona was so well established that probably any writers could write that small part for him.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve--my daughter, a puppeteer, took a bad step on the puppet theater "bridge" and fell about 6 ft to the floor.\
[Laura_Leff] I know why I didn't think it was his writers, but what about it made you think that? Would rather hear your opinion than go
[Laura_Leff] asserting my own
[Steve__shimp_] Yikes, Brad - sending good mojo your daughter's way!
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-It was too repetitive, for one thing. Jack's writers did variations on a gag, but over time, not all at once.
[Steve__shimp_] Here's my thought on Jack guesting on others' shows...
[Brad_from_Georgia] Thanks for the good mojo, Steve!
[Maxwell] Yup..."I paid for it!"
[Barbara] Don't you think Jack's writers might have checked it over.
[Steve__shimp_] I've noticed they go STRAIGHT for the cheap/vain/violin jokes....
[Maxwell] Over and over it seemed.
[Steve__shimp_] Whereas on Jack's regular show those creep in bit by bit.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - They might have, although Jack was always the editor.
[Steve__shimp_] It's as if the writers for whatever the guest show is know what got the big boffs on Jack's show
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yeah, that's exactly where I was coming from.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve--exactly. And who DIDN'T see the punch line of Jack expecting a tip coming?
[Steve__shimp_] But they didn't get that it needed the buildup.
[Barbara] That's true, Laura, but I think he respected their opinions.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Heck, I saw that from the moment he came in.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Oh he definintely did. Do you think they checked over this material?
[Maxwell] LL, going into the 19th.
[Barbara] I would think they did.
[Laura_Leff] So here's a challenging question...
[Brad_from_Georgia] Would've been funnier if Jack had said he picked up the telegram from the message guy, got the tip from Cantor, and then handed
[Laura_Leff] When Groucho appeared on Jack 's show, they cut him once because he wouldn't work with the stuff the writers gave him.
[Brad_from_Georgia] the quarter to Rochester.
[Barbara] Once when Jack guested on the Burns & Allen show, Jack had a few words with George.
[Laura_Leff] Would that have made Jack more conscious of not questioning others' writers?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Maybe. I think in a major appearance, Jack would have been more careful about the writing, though. This was a cameo.
[Laura_Leff] I know he maintained control over cast members' appearances because he didn't want their characters hurt by someone else's writr
[Steve__shimp_] Barbara, can you expand on what Jack's issue with the B&A appearance was?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Say more about Jack talking with George
[Barbara] Jack was used to making his own decisions and didn't like it too well when george told him what to do. He said "I'll do it your
[Brad_from_Georgia] Whoa, I just accidentally erased the whole page!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Don't click the eraser.
[Barbara] Sorry it didn't all print. "I'll do it your way on your show, but when you come on my show, you'll do it my way."
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Only did that for you. Not for the rest of us.
[Steve__shimp_] Jeez, Jack must have had fits working on Lucy's show, she was a major control freak.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL--Didn't mean to--was aiming for the reduce icon--had the type TOO big.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Oh there are stories about that
[Steve__shimp_] You can see a bit in the Here's Lucy DVD rehearsal footage.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Someone reported that after Jack guested on a Lucy show, he told friends "She needs serious therapy."
[Barbara] Jack said he thought Lucy needed a psychiatrist.
[Steve__shimp_] I am guessing he did a lot of those out of loyalty to Milt Josefsberg as much as friendship with Lucy.
[Laura_Leff] I'd heard that Jack had told someone--can't remember who now--"I don't think I can work with Lucy any more" after a particularly
[Laura_Leff] bad episode.
[Barbara] Jack wanted to hang on to a table when he was standing on one foot. Lucy wouldn't let him, and Jack fell.
[Steve__shimp_] I noticed that there's one season of The Lucy Show that has Dennis, Jack, Phil, Sheldon Leonard and a few other Benny alums.
[Laura_Leff] Lucy had him doing something late in life, standing for a long time, and IIRC Jack had...yeah that's it.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'd bet that's Milt's influence.
[Brad_from_Georgia] If you meet Eddie Carroll, ask him to tell you about HIS guest spot on Lucy. :D
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Gosh, I think I've heard that story, but can you summarize?
[Steve__shimp_] Lucy's in almost all of the post-1965 Jack Benny specials though, isn't she?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Several of them.
[Laura_Leff] There's one where she comes on and says, "How dare you do a special without me!" and slaps Jack.
[Barbara] One of the most expensive shows on TV at the time was when Jack and Lucy stepped into the quicksand.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Lucy told Eddie to walk across a set in exactly 14 (or whatever) steps. He did Benny: "Well! If you WANTED a Method actor,
[Brad_from_Georgia] you should've HIRED one!"
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Yes, where Lucy has the vault built for him.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Oh! I haven't heard that story!
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-He says Lucy "brayed" when he did it.
[Laura_Leff] I thought there was one where he did a Benny impersonation and her guard came down and she was OK then.
[Laura_Leff] I heard a story about her on an airplane.
[Laura_Leff] The stewardess was asking for her drink order, and Lucy said to whomever was next to her--her secretary or somebody--
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Yes, Eddie says she was MUCH friendlier with him after the impromptu Benny bit.
[Barbara] She was a great entertainer and businesswoman, but she lacked tact.
[Laura_Leff] "Tell her I don't TALK to the HELP."
[Steve__shimp_] Here's another Lucy/Jack thing I was thinking about
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gee, and her a card-carrying member of the Communist party. She didn't connect with the proletariat well, did she/
[Laura_Leff] That's part of what made Jack stand out so much. He always talked to just about anyone. I still get stories from ushers and
[Steve__shimp_] Lucy's shows are so insanely formulaic, especially post-I Love Lucy...
[Laura_Leff] sandwich delivery boys about Jack stopping to talk with them.
[Barbara] Back to Eddie Canter, I thought the best part of the show was him singing some of the oldies.
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[Steve__shimp_] I was wondering if it is actually a heck of a lot harder to write a Benny format show, that is very loosely structured
[Maxwell] Hi Haybud
[Brad_from_Georgia] Barbara--I agree. I like Cantor as a singer more than as a comic.
[Laura_Leff] Hello Haybud!
[Haybud_K._Meer] Hello, y'all
[Steve__shimp_] As opposed to something with a definite "plot". I can see it being more difficult either way.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Howdy, Bud!
[Steve__shimp_] Hey Haybud!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'd guess the hard thing is not to go directly for the laugh, the way they did in this Cantor show.
[Brad_from_Georgia] The problem with Jack's show was to work within the characters but keep it fresh.
[Steve__shimp_] Brad, which I think they largely succeeded with - but Lucy got kinda stale!
[Laura_Leff] Jack - cheap joke Mary - smartaleck remark Phil - drunk joke Dennis - silly joke, etc.
[Brad_from_Georgia] On the Cantor show, even the Mad Russian seemed "off". Bad reading on the Hitler line, fr'instance.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - So I'll pose a challenging question on that (keeping it fresh)
[Steve__shimp_] LL, but, the show hangs together well - without a pure 'three act structure'.
[Maxwell] But I'll bet they got a lot of free cream cheese....
[Brad_from_Georgia] ...to go with their General Electric blankets.
[Laura_Leff] The shows from about 1952 on were basically Hal and Al splicing sections out of old scripts on the weeks when they did the TV sh
[Barbara] I think Cantor comes across as rather arrogant. They say short people tend to do that, but I'm sure that doesn't apply to any o
[Barbara] of you if you're short.
[Laura_Leff] So where's the line between material reuse (e.g., Anaheim-Azusa-Cucamonga, Si-Sy) for nostalgia and keeping it fresh?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Short? I've got about ten bucks right now.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Good duck there. ;)
[Maxwell] The line for me is when it ceases to be funny.
[Maxwell] And I guess that's pretty subjective.
[Steve__shimp_] LL, it's hard to answer that because we're so accustomed to the rerun...
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-for one thing, on Benny often the familar lines came about in a surprising way.
[Steve__shimp_] Three years between gag recycling is still pretty fresh when compared to Nick at Nite reruns...
[Brad_from_Georgia] Also, the writers were great at reusing a gag but with some new variation in it.
[Steve__shimp_] True, Brad.
[Brad_from_Georgia] And then of course, the cast was HUGELY talented at coaxing laughs from familiar lines.
[Laura_Leff] It's the old laugh at recognition vs. laugh at surprise.
[Barbara] I think gags were reused all the time, but if you put a new twist on them, they become funny again.
[Laura_Leff] vs. laugh at seemingly inevitable conclusion
[Steve__shimp_] And, the best ones are indeed the combo of both - the old gag with the new twist.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yes--lots of times you know what's coming--and Jack pauses, and the audience anticipates and laughs ahead of the line.
[Laura_Leff] You've probably all heard me talk about the orchestra leader bit which went all the way back to "A Few Minutes with Jack Benny"
[Laura_Leff] in vaudeville
[Maxwell] No, I haven't.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Once or twice, I've heard Jack say, "Hmm, I don't even need to say that line, do I?"
[Laura_Leff] Case study: When You Say I Beg Your Pardon Then I'll Come Back To You
[Steve__shimp_] But, it especially works with the Benny character, because the whole thing is built of up of anticipated gags.
[Barbara] Jack didn't think he was funny. I guess he wasn't at parties.
[Steve__shimp_] Cheap, violin, toupee - the audience was ALWAYS anticipating the laugh even when it wasn't 'recycled'
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Clarify...Jack didn't think who was funny?
[Maxwell] And it works at home, too, Steve. I've been watching the Benny reruns shown here on Sunday nights, and a lot of times I know...
[Laura_Leff] There was a great line where the audience laugh obliterated the end of a Phil Harris line, and Jack says something like
[Maxwell] exactly what's coming and I laugh in anticipation and then even harder with the payoff.
[Laura_Leff] "Y'see Phil, they know you so well you don't even need to finish the line!"
[Steve__shimp_] Max, I am jealous you are in a market where they are rerunning the show!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack rode those moments well--unlike Cantor: "Hurry up, we're late already1"
[Laura_Leff] Speaking of Phil Harris, there are wild turkeys walking through our backyard right now.
[Brad_from_Georgia] (that was sposeta be a exclamatoryation mark, yall)
[Maxwell] We're lucky. We have a low-powered Chicago station that is on Comcast. It has a Nick at Night type format.
[Steve__shimp_] LL, is Jack on trial again?
[Brad_from_Georgia] In Eddie Carroll's show at our campus, he got a building laugh as he told a story, and said, "Oh, you see where this is going
[Laura_Leff] No, they're alive at the moment.
[Brad_from_Georgia] already, do you?"
[Steve__shimp_] whew! three month reprieve..
[Brad_from_Georgia] On the show, Groucho didn't seem very freewheeling either, except in a couple of apparent ad libs.
[Steve__shimp_] As much as we seem to be panning this Cantor show, I would give my eyeteeth to have been in that studio audience!
[Brad_from_Georgia] I thought it was funny Steve--just not high-lariously so.
[Laura_Leff] Groucho was never very good in radio until he did "You Bet Your Life"
[Barbara] I thought it was a good show, Steve. We're just "critiquing."
[Brad_from_Georgia] I thought Cantor was very stiff in the commercial lead-in, btw. Jack had fun with the commercials1
[Laura_Leff] His appearance playing chess with Jack feels like he's in a straitjacket.
[Steve__shimp_] Just to see almost all my favorite OTR comedians would've been amazing, that's all.
[Brad_from_Georgia] why can't i get a ! when I want one/
[Barbara] Is Sal Hepatica still around?
[Steve__shimp_] Brad, here're a few !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Oh, yes, with the obligatory California rain gags.
[Steve__shimp_] should last the rest of the chat ;)
[Laura_Leff] Has anyone seen anyone with the smile of health lately?
[Maxwell] I haven't seen Sal Hepatica since I was a kid.
[Maxwell] That would be in the '50s or '60s.
[Steve__shimp_] Such a great name for a child...
[Haybud_K._Meer] I think Sal Hepatica is gone...
[Laura_Leff] Is Ipana still around?
[Barbara] They were quite discreet, but it sounds like a laxative doesn't it?
[Maxwell] I don't think it's around either.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - It is a laxative.
[Maxwell] That lasted at least into the '60s.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Here's a word on their behalf -- http://www.adclassix.com/a3/37shlaxative.htm
[Laura_Leff] Funny to think of "how to sell a laxative"
[Laura_Leff] Sort of like "How to sell Viagra/Levitra" today.
[Maxwell] It's a lot easier now than it was then!
[Steve__shimp_] I am sure Harry Von Zell was relieved (no pun intended) to move on to Carnation milk with Burns and Allen
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Maybe the cows were contented because they took Sal Hepatica
[Maxwell] Yeah, milk and tires are a lot easier to sell than a laxative.
[Barbara] He was relieved if he took Sal Hepatica.
[Steve__shimp_] It's hilarious how oblique they had to be!
[Maxwell] Didn't Pabst sponsor Cantor later?
[Laura_Leff] Pabst was sponsoring Groucho at this time
[Barbara] Jack made mention of a "boy" for Cantor.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Sal Hepatica and Ipana were both made by Bristol-Myers, who sponosred Fred Allen for a stretch
[Laura_Leff] I have a magazine ad hanging on my wall with Groucho featured for Pabst.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-I think Rush Limbaugh should be Viagra's new spokesman....
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - As did everyone...another example of repeated gags
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Nah, he got his illegally.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-He's a hardened criminal!
[Barbara] Cantor got a lot of mileage out of that.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - I could go a lot of places with that, but I'll resist.
[Maxwell] I think that's a good thing, LL.
[Steve__shimp_] Might get everyone viaggravated.
[Laura_Leff] I'll levitra well enough alone.
[Maxwell] Living Levitra Loco....
[Laura_Leff] So while we're in this vein, what other OTR products were hard to sell?
[Steve__shimp_] I could imagine product related bloopers could cause some REAL censorship problems with Sal Hepatica.
[Steve__shimp_] Gotta be a lot more careful than with Jell-O
[Laura_Leff] There were certainly no ads for, say, Kotex.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Don Wilson: Jell-O in seven delicious flavors, cherry, strawberry, raspberry, orange, lemon, lime, and viagra.
[Haybud_K._Meer] (tries to imagine Don Wilson reading a Viagra commercial)
[Steve__shimp_] LOL Brad
[Brad_from_Georgia] Haybud--well, there ya go.
[Haybud_K._Meer] (fails in the attempt)
[Brad_from_Georgia] Don: Nothing gives you a lift like good old Jell-O.
[Laura_Leff] Oh speaking of censorship and Benny...
[Steve__shimp_] THAT's what the Blue flavor Jell-O is!
[Steve__shimp_] Nothing like the most flaccid product possible in a Viagra flavor!
[Laura_Leff] Someone sent me a copy of notes from a confidential Hollywood studio head meeting on
[Barbara] I'll bet the censors read over the Sal Hepatica commercials very carefully. They wouldn't have to do it now.
[Laura_Leff] continuity and censorship
[Brad_from_Georgia] Don: We have a letter from Mrs. Elmyra Dogget: My husband loves Jell-O. Forgive the shaky handwriting....
[Laura_Leff] And there was a comment about having a problem with an 11/42 Benny show.
[Barbara] What was the problem, Laura?
[Haybud_K._Meer] Somebody did start making Ipana again, however...there are a couple of places you can buy it from
[Laura_Leff] I looked it up in 39 Forever and had a note about Mary having a line about "I wish I had a nickel for every rivet I caught
[Laura_Leff] in my bucket"
[Laura_Leff] Was at a military base and got a real dirty laugh.
[Steve__shimp_] So it got cut from the recording?
[Maxwell] Yeah, I can see where that might be a problem with the censors and a hit with the military.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Oh no, it's in the show!
[Laura_Leff] I still wonder if the joke about Errol Flynn being in bed with a cold (a COLD) caught heck.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gee, what did they do when the song "My Bucket's Got a Hole in It" came out/
[Steve__shimp_] I wonder about Mary's real-life sense of humor.
[Barbara] Hasn't ExLax been around a long time too. People must have had problems in those days.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Did she have one?
[Steve__shimp_] We know quite a bit about Jack's but not much about Mary's...
[Steve__shimp_] Well, 'tis a good question LL.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - All that lard and what have you.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I have to get a new keyboard. My ! is a 1 and my ? is a / lately.
[Laura_Leff] My ! has a 1 in it
[Maxwell] Sounds like your shift key needs Viagra.
[Barbara] I never heard of Mary having a sense of humor.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Have you heard the Kermyt Schaffer blooper about that?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ex-Lax has been around for ages. It's phenolphtalein in a chocolate base, or used to be.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-don't think so--what was it?
[Laura_Leff] The wild turkeys are still pecking around my window
[Maxwell] Not anymore. Phenlophthalein has been identified as a carcinogen.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - DJ announces the song as "My Hole Has a Bucket In It"
[Laura_Leff] I guess he took too much Sal Hepatica
[Barbara] One of the shows had a line about "laying someone out" and Mary didn't like doing it. She did tho.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Laura, I think I missed something earlier...why are you surrounded by wild turkeys?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell-thought so. LL- lol
[Steve__shimp_] "Get a little brown before we lower you down", Barbara!
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Because I live across from a regional park. There are three of them...looks like a hen and two chicks. Or a Tom
[Laura_Leff] and two small hens
[Maxwell] They think she's Tippi Hedren.
[Maxwell] Hedrin? Hedran?
[Barbara] Turkey dinner tonight.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Ah, I see
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Oh...get a little brown before they lower you down.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Just as long as there aren't large numbers of them gathering ominously
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I wouldn't mind being mistaken for her.
[Steve__shimp_] I had to do a survey once in the real Bodega Bay where they filmed that, and the seagulls are a bit nerve-wracking!
[Maxwell] I would.
[Barbara] You do look alike, Laura.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gack, my mom used to make us swig mineral oil to keep us regular. Just the thought would do it.
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - And screeching in an audio-enhanced fashion.
[Haybud_K._Meer] "The turkeys is coming!"
[Laura_Leff] The oysters in Bodega Bay are the best. Dan and I go up there on the odd occasion.
[Steve__shimp_] It's a fun little area. The Tides restaurant is nice, that's in the movie too but vastly altered.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-You mean like Arbor Day, Napoleon Retreat Day, occasions like that/
[Laura_Leff] The big turkey looks about as big as the one Jack runs across the train station carrying in a TV show.
[Maxwell] Those are pretty odd occasions.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Actually, I was thinking more like Lag B'Omer and Yom Ha'Atzmut
[Laura_Leff] Guy Fawkes Day
[Brad_from_Georgia] Few weeks ago the emu farmer up the road lost one of his charges, and there was an emu roaming around the neighborhood.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I didn't see it though.
[Laura_Leff] There they go...
[Maxwell] Peter Falk's Day.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell-That's the one that keeps coming back after you think it's gone, right?
[Laura_Leff] So here's a bizarre thought...
[Laura_Leff] What would have been the favorite holiday of each of the Benny characters?
[Maxwell] That Red Sox-White Sox game lasted 6 hours and 19 minutes.
[Barbara] We know what Dennis' would be.
[Steve__shimp_] Jack - Halloween...trick or treat, need I say more?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack: Ben Franklin's birthday: "A Benny saved is a Benny earned."
[Haybud_K._Meer] Phil - New Year's Eve
[Laura_Leff] I was thinking of the anniversary of the first mint
[Maxwell] Mary: Sadie Hawkins Day.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack: Phil just got back from a New Year's Eve party. Of course, tonight is April 3.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Good one
[Brad_from_Georgia] Don: Thanksgiving, of course. With lots of luscious Jell-O.
[Steve__shimp_] Don: Guy Fawkes' Day... he's the know-it-all who actually can explain it!
[Laura_Leff] Don't give up that ship...
[Laura_Leff] How about Rochester?
[Laura_Leff] Every day's a holiday?
[Barbara] Jack asked Don if he wanted a leg, thigh, breast or wing, and Don said, "Yes please."
[Brad_from_Georgia] Rochester? June 19.
[Steve__shimp_] I was just thinkin' that one Brad, he keeps hoping, but it never comes!
[Barbara] Martin Luther King day for Rochester, but it wasn't a holiday back then.
[Steve__shimp_] June teenth, day that many slaves first heard of the Emancipation Proclamation
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Oh oh OHHHHH
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Juneteenth is the national Black "fourth of July," a celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation.
[Ozzie_Nelson] Martin was a kid then, duh
[Laura_Leff] Right right...didn't know the date of it.
[Laura_Leff] Professor LeBlanc - Bastille Day
[Brad_from_Georgia] However, Roch might have celebrated March 15 (tax day back then)--because of course he didn't owe!
[Maxwell] How about Dennis?
[Steve__shimp_] St. Paddy's O'Course!
[Laura_Leff] St. Patty's day
[Maxwell] Of course!
[Barbara] St. Paatrick's day of course/.
[Laura_Leff] So what was Jack's?
[Haybud_K._Meer] But knowing Dennis, he would have gotten the date wrong
[Laura_Leff] Oh Halloween...OK.
[Maxwell] Another possibility for Jack: Feb. 14.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Mel: "Meestair Bennee, today is Bastille Day, which commemorates violence. You 'ave made me hate violins!"
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I like that one better, actually.
[Laura_Leff] So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind?
[Barbara] Any trivia question today, Laura?
[Laura_Leff] Carmichael - Ar-bear Day
[Steve__shimp_] Just a heads-up that liketelevision.com is streaming some Benny TV shows....
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Give me a topic, I'll give you a question.
[Steve__shimp_] Including the Lettermen episode which I hadn't previously seen.
[Laura_Leff] Steve- Oh yes, they've had those up about 6 years now.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Laura, I saw a newsreel short on TCM last month in which they commemorated a man who had led a food drive to Europe...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I interviewed Tony Butala about that years ago.
[Haybud_K._Meer] And suddenly on screen there he was...Dreer Pooson!
[Steve__shimp_] And I just found them! I'm as quick as Dennis on some of these...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Check out our links page ;)
[Laura_Leff] OK, here's a trivia question...I think this is right...
[Laura_Leff] Who was on opposite Jack in 1943?
[Barbara] Oh boy. How about Jack's movies?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Opposite Jack? Wasn't Mary on the other side of the mike/
[Laura_Leff] Yeah...from 1942 to 1947
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Har har...on an opposite network.
[Maxwell] Sundays at 7:00 EST?
[Maxwell] CBS or Blue/ABC?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - The years dictate that. But it was ABC.
[Maxwell] I don't know. I wasn't even thought of then.
[Laura_Leff] I only know this because I did the research recently for my Yesterday USA show.
[Steve__shimp_] Ma Perkins?
[Steve__shimp_] I have no idea so I'll guess randomly...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - No, she was weekdays
[Steve__shimp_] Hint, please!
[Maxwell] Oxydol's own Ma Perkins, America's mother of the air.
[Barbara] Kate Smith?
[Maxwell] Walter Winchell.
[Steve__shimp_] Walter Winchell and Jerry Mahoney ;)
[Maxwell] H.V. Kaltenborn.
[Laura_Leff] Max - I don't think he was on ABC
[Maxwell] Nope. He was on NBC.
[Laura_Leff] Turkeys are still here
[Maxwell] Is that a hint?
[Brad_from_Georgia] FDR and the Fireside Chat Boys
[Maxwell] Ed Morrow and his Band of Renown.
[Laura_Leff] Hint: news and commentary
[Haybud_K._Meer] Stand By for Crime?
[Maxwell] Still sounds like Winchell.
[Haybud_K._Meer] (I've never heard it, but I love that title)
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ed Murrow
[Laura_Leff] Ed Murrow was CBS
[Steve__shimp_] The News Hour with Baby Snooks
[Brad_from_Georgia] Not according to Keefe Brassellee....
[Laura_Leff] Steve - *snicker* Nope
[Barbara] They wouldn't dare put anybody on at that hour.
[Maxwell] Bishop Sheen.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Really?
[Maxwell] News and Comment.
[Maxwell] Gallagher and Sheen.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Nah, I didn't read enough of that lousy book to even hit the news...
[Laura_Leff] Max - No, although Mutual was programming some religious programs opposite Jack for a while.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - If you want to pass it along, I'd be happy to have it in my library.
[Maxwell] Alex Drier.
[Laura_Leff] 1942-43 Mutual did Old Fashioned Revival Hour and Voice of Prophecy against Jack
[Haybud_K._Meer] One Man's Family?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Okay, I'll send it. Braselle couldn't write for sour turkey poop, though.
[Laura_Leff] Big hint?
[Laura_Leff] Brad - I think I'll have some of that around here as well. Thanks!
[Laura_Leff] His name's already been mentioned in this chat.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Sal Hepatica?
[Laura_Leff] He was against Jack from 1942-47 on ABC.
[Maxwell] Groucho Marx News and Comment!
[Laura_Leff] Max - I'd tune into that.
[Laura_Leff] Forerunner of Jon Stewart
[Laura_Leff] Nope...no one's said it yet
[Brad_from_Georgia] Sal Hepatica, private eye. There's no problem he can't work out....
[Maxwell] I'm too lazy to scroll back.
[Haybud_K._Meer] It Pays to Be Ignorant?
[Maxwell] Harry Von Zell: And now ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States, Hoobert Heever.
[Laura_Leff] He wasn't opposite Jack any more by the time his name was mentioned on the Benny show
[Haybud_K._Meer] Drew Pearson?
[Laura_Leff] Or...well...*sort of* mentioned
[Brad_from_Georgia] Woops, my injured daughter is calling with a report on her health--gonna go talk to her. Catch you later, everyone!
[Maxwell] Dreer Pooson!
[Haybud_K._Meer] Alias Dreer Pooson?
[Laura_Leff] Take care, Brad!
[Laura_Leff] Our best to her!
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[Steve__shimp_] Good luck to daughter Brad!
[Steve__shimp_] So, what was Pearson's format, I know nothing about him really.
[Maxwell] Remember Jack Anderson?
[Laura_Leff] The All American Boy?
[Maxwell] He was Pearson's protege. Washington insider.
[Steve__shimp_] I think I voted for him in our Weekly Reader 1980 presidential ballot, I was 7.
[Laura_Leff] Oh right, that was Jack Armstrong... ;)
[Maxwell] No, the newspaper columnist...wrote a lot of stuff dealing with Watergate.
[Laura_Leff] Drew Pearson wrote about Watergate?
[Barbara] It's interesting that you mentioned Tony Butala. I think we used to know him and his wife. Had 4 boys, I believe.
[Maxwell] No, Anderson...
[Maxwell] Anderson was Pearson's successor.
[Maxwell] Who's on first?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - He was pretty drunk when I interviewed him (har har...it was a long party), but it was pretty memorable for me.
[Steve__shimp_] But Pearson did basically political commentary? Or was it more straight news, or parody?
[Barbara] I wonder what Pearson's audience rating was. Of course it was the war years.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Eddie Anderson wrote about Watergate?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Actually, I have that...
[Maxwell] Pearson would have been a combination of news and commentary from a Washington insider's point of view, I would imagine.
[Laura_Leff] 42-43 he had a 6.2
[Laura_Leff] 43-44 it was 6.4
[Steve__shimp_] Thanks Max. We know he wrote about Jack's new suit!
[Laura_Leff] 44-45 it was 10.3
[Haybud_K._Meer] I'm sure Jack's show was much funnier
[Laura_Leff] 45-46 is was 9.5
[Laura_Leff] 46-47 was 6.6
[Laura_Leff] And that's all I have because that was when he was opposite Jack.
[Haybud_K._Meer] All I know is when my Mom sat down to dinner with her family on Sunday evenings, they did *not* listen to Drew Pearson
[Maxwell] Peaked during the last part of the war.
[Laura_Leff] In 1934, Jack was opposite California Melodies (CBS) and Mischa Levitsky (NBC Blue)
[Steve__shimp_] And to think he survived the competititon!
[Laura_Leff] OK...here's another trivia teaser...
[Laura_Leff] When Jack moved from NBC to CBS,
[Maxwell] You big tease, you!
[Laura_Leff] Who had the Sunday at 7 slot before him?
[Laura_Leff] On CBS
[Laura_Leff] And who got the Sunday at 7 slot on NBC after him?
[Maxwell] Hmmmm...it couldn't have been 60 Minutes....
[Laura_Leff] (This is hard stuff...I might not know it if I hadn't just researched it for YUSA.)
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Har har
[Barbara] Wasn't Red Skelton one of them?
[Haybud_K._Meer] H.V. Kaltenborn?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Nope
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Nope
[Laura_Leff] They were both sort of music shows
[Maxwell] Stop the Music!
[Laura_Leff] Max - Nope...that was opposite Fred Allen
[Maxwell] That's right...Didn't it knock Allen off the air?
[Laura_Leff] Max - Sure did.
[Maxwell] To think that Bert Parks was once more popular than Fred Allen...
[Haybud_K._Meer] Eddie Cantor?
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Nope.
[Laura_Leff] More pure music, not comedy
[Barbara] Edgar Bergen?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - No, he was on at 8.
[Maxwell] Cities Service Band of America.
[Barbara] Kate Smith again?
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - But actually I think Bergen got Jack's slot after he went off in 1955.
[Maxwell] Now Citgo Band of America.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Phil Spitalny's All-Girl Orchestra?
[Barbara] Bing Crosby?
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - You're not too far off from one of them.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Nope
[Maxwell] Ina Ray Hutton.
[Laura_Leff] Hint: One was country, one was orchestra/big band
[Laura_Leff] Both male leads
[Barbara] Tommy Dorsey?
[Maxwell] Ina AND Ray Hutton.
[Haybud_K._Meer] The Al Jolson Show?
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Kraft Music Hall...nope.
[Maxwell] Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge?
[Laura_Leff] Max - Nope...that was a summer replacement of Jack, though.
[Laura_Leff] I think...or maybe it was just Phil hosting it.
[Maxwell] That's why I thought of it, I guess.
[Laura_Leff] No guesses on country?
[Haybud_K._Meer] Perry Como?
[Maxwell] National Barn Dance
[Maxwell] If not, how about the Local Barn Dance.
[Barbara] Spade Cooley.
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Actually, he was opposite Jack in 1943-44 with a 15-minute show. But no.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Good guess, but no.
[Laura_Leff] Barbara - Nope
[Laura_Leff] Bigger name
[Barbara] Bob Crosby.
[Maxwell] Gene Autry's Melody Ranch.
[Maxwell] I'm Back in the Saddle Again....
[Laura_Leff] Gene Artery (as my mother used to call him) was on CBS and yielded the Sunday at 7 slot to jack
[Haybud_K._Meer] Oh yeah, him
[Laura_Leff] So who took over at NBC?
[Maxwell] That's what Pat Buttram used to call him.
[Maxwell] Gene Artery.
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[Maxwell] Welcome back Steve. Long time, no see.
[Barbara] I'm glad I won't be kept in suspense any longer since I do have to leave for pizza. Thanks for the company everyone
[Laura_Leff] Here's a hint, because he's not a big name like Dorsey, etc.
[Maxwell] Bob Chester.
[Steve__shimp_] Hi all, connection conkout. What question are we answering?
[Laura_Leff] Enjoy, Barbara! Always good to see you.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Night, Barbara
[Maxwell] G'night Barbara
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Who took over Sunday at 7 on NBC
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[Steve__shimp_] Oh, it's some horrible amateur hour program
[Laura_Leff] And the hint is....H
[Maxwell] Horace Heidt and his Musical Knights
[Laura_Leff] A bigger hint is HH
[Laura_Leff] MAXWELL AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Steve__shimp_] There you go Max!
[Maxwell] I beat your hint.
[Laura_Leff] Good job!
[Maxwell] As a lover of both Gene Autry and big bands, I thank you.
[Maxwell] Les Paul played at one time with HH.
[Laura_Leff] Unfortunately, it didn't yield the Heidt of his popularity, with a 7.5 to Jack's 26.4 rating.
[Steve__shimp_] I get Horace Heidt and Henry Height mixed up.
[Maxwell] I think Bobby Hackett did, too.
[Laura_Leff] Not to mention Les Hite
[Maxwell] He led the New Sebastian Cotton Club Orchestra.
[Maxwell] Les Hite, that is.
[Laura_Leff] Buddy Hackett played with Horace Heidt?
[Maxwell] I think he did near the start of his career.
[Maxwell] Before Miller.
[Maxwell] Bobby...not Buddy.
[Maxwell] Now I'm getting all confoozled.
[Laura_Leff] And I thought he just sang Shipoopi (inadvertently put a "t" on the end of that in the original typing)
[Maxwell] At least it was an "I"
[Laura_Leff] Just imagine Buddy Hackett and Phil Harris doing "The Music Man".
[Laura_Leff] I can only imagine the backstage antics
[Maxwell] With Kate Smith as Marian.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - She had a very large volume.
[Maxwell] In more ways than one.
[Steve__shimp_] I wonder if that'd be a fire hazard with Phil & Buddy both being so flammable...
[Laura_Leff] It would be positively incendiary.
[Maxwell] Imagine them doing a duet of "Old Black Magic." "I hear your name, and I'm aflame."
[Steve__shimp_] Getting way back to the Eddie Cantor broadcast - don't know if this was addressed
[Haybud_K._Meer] I'd just love to sit and twirl around a radio dial for about a week in 1943...
[Laura_Leff] I can keep throwing out trivia, or was there anything Benny-wise that anyone wanted to discuss?
[Steve__shimp_] But how close were Jack and Eddie Cantor in real life?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - More like "Show Me the Way To Go Home"
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[Laura_Leff] Steve - Eddie lived next door to Jack.
[Maxwell] Hi ya Buck
[Laura_Leff] They were friends.
[Laura_Leff] Hi Alex!
[Alex_Buck] Hello all. Its good to be back.
[Steve__shimp_] Next to the Roxbury house?
[Laura_Leff] Lucy was on one side (1000 N. Roxbury) and Eddie was on the other.
[Laura_Leff] At least for a time.
[Laura_Leff] Yeah, not the Colmans. Sorry folks.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Laura, I have a Jack question I've wondered about for some time...
[Alex_Buck] I missed out on the first part of this topic - are we talking Eddie as in Rochester
[Laura_Leff] OK, shoot.
[Laura_Leff] Alex - Eddie as in Cantor
[Steve__shimp_] Eddie Cantor Alex, and, hi!
[Haybud_K._Meer] I listend the other month to the 1942 show right after Carole Lombard died, the one Jack was missing from...
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Right
[Laura_Leff] Yes, that's the first apperance of the Sportsmen
[Laura_Leff] Did I anticipate your question?
[Haybud_K._Meer] And I was intrigued that about the twenty minute mark, an announcer's voice - not Don Wilson - interrupts to repeat that Jack...
[Haybud_K._Meer] ...would not be on the show that day
[Laura_Leff] Yes, I do kind of remember that.
[Haybud_K._Meer] And I wondered who the heck that was...a local guy? Were radio stations getting calls about Jack's absence?
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - That would be my guess. People were trying to tune in the Benny show and all they could find was music.
[Laura_Leff] Since the local station would know that they were getting tons of calls and you wouldn't want to do it
[Haybud_K._Meer] They never announced why he wasn't on the show, I take it?
[Laura_Leff] from the network feed, it was probably a local announcer.
[Steve__shimp_] Weren't there New York feeds for the opening commercials, at least the Lucky Strike years...
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - No, I don't think they did. Just that "Jack can't be with us tonight" or words to that effect.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - The auctioneer commercials were done from New York for most of the time,
[Laura_Leff] eventually moved over to LA in a different studio, but I don't remember exactly when.
[Steve__shimp_] Carole Lombard never really appeared on the show as I recall...
[Laura_Leff] So any time you hear Kenny Delmar, it's New York. He was also on Fred Allen, who always originated from New York.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Lombard's death was banner front page headlines that weekened...did *anybody* put two and two together?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Nope. Just To Be or Not To Be.
[Steve__shimp_] But I was listening to a 1936 show where she supposedly calls Phil Harris (you don't hear her voice)
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - It's possible that they didn't, since the movie wasn't released yet.
[Steve__shimp_] I was wondering if Jack knew Lombard before To Be or Not to Be.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Right, that was in his early character days.
[Ozzie_Nelson] Well, I've got to run to the malt shop to look for David and Ricky. Goodnite.
[Steve__shimp_] Yes, the suave Ladies' man!
[Steve__shimp_] Bye Ozzie
[Alex_Buck] This may have been brought up already - but didn't the networks put Eddie Cantor up against Jack for the same timeslot for awhil
[Maxwell] G'night ozzie.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I think so, since I think that she and Clarke were regular guests at Jack's house.
[Laura_Leff] Have a good one, Ozzie!
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[Laura_Leff] Alex - Not that I can find.
[Haybud_K._Meer] It was the first non-war story to dominate the headlines since Pearl Harbor
[Laura_Leff] Alex - Your timing is good, though, because we were talking about what was on opposite Jack.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Although it was, I guess, indirectly a war story
[Alex_Buck] That would have been a tough competition
[Maxwell] Wasn't Cantor on Wednesdays?
[Laura_Leff] Having lived in Fort Wayne for six years one night, it's hard to believe that such a glamourous lady came from there.
[Laura_Leff] It's a pretty small town.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - He was at the time of this airing, but I know he was on Sundays at some point.
[Laura_Leff] Song was "I Love to spend each Sunday with you..."
[Haybud_K._Meer] Amos 'n' Andy was on after Jack for some years, wasn't it?
[Alex_Buck] Rats! Kids just found me. Gotta go. Will try to check in next month.
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[Steve__shimp_] I may have missed this during my connection loss, but was there anything comedy-wise put up against Jack that thrived?
[Maxwell] I thought it was each Wednesday with you....
[Laura_Leff] That was fast
[Steve__shimp_] Just a cameo from Alex!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Nope. They never really put comedy against him.
[Steve__shimp_] That's what I figured, you'd counter-program something for a different audience.
[Laura_Leff] News, sports, music, religion, mysteries, game shows.
[Maxwell] Livestock reports....
[Laura_Leff] Oh! I thought Kate Smith was on opposite Jack at some point...just found it.
[Laura_Leff] 1944-45 on CBS.
[Laura_Leff] In 1946, Mutual started doing mystery shows against Jack.
[Steve__shimp_] Didn't Kate Smith sell Jell-O for awhile as well?
[Laura_Leff] Mysterious Traveller, Sherlock Holmes, The Falcon, Peter Salem
[Laura_Leff] Steve - She probably ate it, but don't know if she sold it
[Haybud_K._Meer] I love reading how, in 1941, NBC Blue programmed "Bible Week" and "Inner Sanctum" side by side
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - LOL
[Maxwell] Great combination!
[Steve__shimp_] I love it when my bible CREEEAKS when I open it....
[Laura_Leff] Jack Benny and Your Money Today
[Laura_Leff] Alexander Woolcott and It Pays To Be Ignorant
[Laura_Leff] Ma Perkins and Gangbusters
[Laura_Leff] Just thinking up incongruous pairings
[Laura_Leff] Symphonic Strings and Spike Jones
[Maxwell] Hey! Remember Spike had the "Other Orchestra"!
[Steve__shimp_] Gracie Allen and "You Are There"
[Steve__shimp_] or not all there...
[Maxwell] Gracie Allen and the Quiz Kids.
[Laura_Leff] Suspense and Life Can Be Beautiful
[Haybud_K._Meer] Stand By for Crime and Strike It Rich
[Laura_Leff] The Falcon and The Hartz Mountain Canaries
[Steve__shimp_] I love the Hartz Mountain Canaries, btw...
[Steve__shimp_] I am a sucker for any kooky animal act.
[Laura_Leff] I have at least one of their records
[Steve__shimp_] Probably the only one appropriate for radio!
[Maxwell] You don't think Swain's Cats and Rats would work on the radio?
[Steve__shimp_] If you put 'em with the canaries!
[Laura_Leff] Fink's Mules got kicked off the air
[Steve__shimp_] What animal act should Jack work with?
[Steve__shimp_] besides those chimps...
[Laura_Leff] Rochester: "I used to be with the Hall Johnson choir...until Johnson threw me out in the hall!!"
[Laura_Leff] Skating penguins
[Maxwell] I picture him working with the gas man and Carmichael.
[Steve__shimp_] I saw an old kinescope of "You Asked for It" with a ping-pong playing cat.
[Laura_Leff] That must have been amusing *trying to picture it*
[Maxwell] I think I've seen that.
[Steve__shimp_] Yeah, and I've seen a basketball-playing raccoon in real life in Arkansas...
[Maxwell] Of course when I was a kid, you asked for it was on the air first run.
[Laura_Leff] On a totally unrelated note, since I just thought of it...
[Maxwell] How about a tic-tac-toe playing chicken?
[Laura_Leff] Dan and I have been watching several DVDs of "Naked City". It's a really fantastic series.
[Laura_Leff] And not even dirty.
[Maxwell] Half hour or one hour version?
[Laura_Leff] Oh, I've seen that chicken.
[Laura_Leff] One hour version.
[Maxwell] Horace McMahon and Paul Burke version.
[Laura_Leff] They're all from 1961-63 for the ones we've seen.
[Laura_Leff] That's it.
[Haybud_K._Meer] Oh, I'd like to get that one
[Maxwell] Yeah, it was a half-hour show with a different cast before that.
[Laura_Leff] Some really, really gripping stuff.
[Maxwell] Yeah, it was a very good show.
[Laura_Leff] And some kooky stuff, but those episodes aren't as good as the others.
[Laura_Leff] And some great performers.
[Maxwell] Well, "There are 8,000,000 stories in the naked city. Some are better than others."
[Haybud_K._Meer] Speaking of which, has 77 Sunset Strip ever been put out on DVD?
[Laura_Leff] Just figured I'd pass that along since we all like old stuff
[Steve__shimp_] I'll have to check it out!
[Laura_Leff] Max - ROFLMAO
[Maxwell] Hmmm...it was running recently on a cable network that we can no longer get here.
[Laura_Leff] I'd like to get some Playhouse 90 or US Steel Hour
[Maxwell] The sad thing is that I remember this stuff first run.
[Haybud_K._Meer] I'm through watching old shows on TV...too many edits
[Laura_Leff] Some of the early live stuff
[Steve__shimp_] I cancelled my cable like 3 years ago and won't subscribe again, at least till they put Jackson on the air!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'll see what I can do.
[Maxwell] We have him here. Nyaaaaah!
[Haybud_K._Meer] I think kinevideo.net has a few of the early TV live dramas
[Steve__shimp_] Is that a hint of things to come LL?
[Laura_Leff] Haybud - Aha....will check them out.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Not yet, although I am talking loosely with Universal.
[Laura_Leff] I had someone there who was interested, but trying to circle back with them.
[Haybud_K._Meer] It's homemade stuff, but it's watchable quality
[Steve__shimp_] singin' "One of these days...."....
[Laura_Leff] So what else? Or should we call it good for this month?
[Maxwell] Well, I'd just like to say I finished both volumes of 39 Forever. Loved them.
[Maxwell] Couldn't put them down.
[Laura_Leff] Fantastic! So glad to hear that!
[Steve__shimp_] Yeah, me too LL, they are great!
[Haybud_K._Meer] Jack never did broadcast in July or August, did he?
[Laura_Leff] I don't think of them as actual "reads", since they're not narrative.
[Maxwell] And thanks for the autograph on the broken one.
[Steve__shimp_] I am an obsessive index-user with both of those.
[Laura_Leff] But I guess they are!
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - No problem.
[Maxwell] Sure, you follow the development of the show.
[Laura_Leff] I have four more coverless seconds on Volume 2...need to put that on the Forum.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Yes, I can see that. And that's exactly what I intended it to show. Glad to know it fulfills the goal!
[Maxwell] Also for anyone who is interested, next month on Chuck Schaden's show, the enire month is comedy.
[Laura_Leff] And it's so familiar that I can give you a tidbit and you can imagine what the show was.
[Steve__shimp_] Hey, LL, I know it isn't in the pipe anytime soon, but how do the next volumes play out in your mind, TV, stage, movies?
[Laura_Leff] Well very good. Thanks!
[Maxwell] I'll post something about that in the forum around the end of this month.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Vol 3 is TV, Vol 4 is everything else (including stage and movies). But we're talking years in the making.
[Maxwell] There's at least one Benny show during that month.
[Maxwell] Don't take too long. I want to live to see them!
[Steve__shimp_] Definitely worth the wait - so including guest shots on other TV shows?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I'm enjoying so much doing horticulture instead of writing books that it may be a while.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yes, guesting on TV and radio. Volume 4
[Maxwell] Well, you know what Dorothy Parker said about horticulture.
[Laura_Leff] I've done a lot around the house...made a giant shade garden that I've wanted for yeasr.
[Steve__shimp_] Hey, I had my own Jack Benny moment that is sort of horticulture related...
[Laura_Leff] Max - I know I've heard it, but don't remember it now.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yeah...?
[Steve__shimp_] I go hiking out a LOT in our beautiful Virginia woods...
[Maxwell] "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - That's right. I was close to it, but couldn't get it.
[Steve__shimp_] and, there are all kinds of wonderful wild berries growing here, so I figured "why pay for this stuff in the store?"
[Laura_Leff] Not poison sumac or something, was it?
[Steve__shimp_] and before you know it, I had picked about six quarts of FREE berries and made jam out of them two weeks ago!
[Steve__shimp_] Nope, I've got botanical training so I know the good ones...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Now, if you start selling them at the local farmer's market, then you'll REALLY be Jack!
[Steve__shimp_] Yeah, not quite up to commercial production yet, but my toast is good through spring!
[Laura_Leff] I'm sure Jack would be proud.
[Maxwell] I can see it now: Shimps Berry Farm.
[Laura_Leff] Well, hey folks, hope you've had as good a time as I have this evening.
[Steve__shimp_] O boy...
[Laura_Leff] Max - No it's Knott.
[Haybud_K._Meer] A fine way to spend a Sunday evening...
[Steve__shimp_] Yeah, nice chat this evening. Are we good for another month?
[Laura_Leff] I think so. So hope to see you all in August! Stay cool!
[Maxwell] Yeah, and don't schedule August when I have tickets to a Sox game like you did in June!
[Laura_Leff] The turkeys say adieu...
[Steve__shimp_] OK everyone, good night all!
[Laura_Leff] Max - I'll try not!
[Haybud_K._Meer] Night, all of youse!~
[Maxwell] Good night LL, Good night all.