IJBFC Chat - May 14, 2006
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[Kay_Lhota] Hi Laura
[Maxwell] WB LL.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hi again LL
[Laura_Leff] OK, let's try this again
[Laura_Leff] This seems much better.
[Maxwell] We're talking about Jerry Lewis.
[Steve_(shimp)] You've been missing onion Jello, Jerry Lewis, all kinds of discussion.
[Laura_Leff] It was not letting me type and giving me your lines about 10 at a time...ick
[Kay_Lhota] I was telling everybody about finding a picture of Jack Benny in a gag for the Jerry Lewis movie "Rockabye Baby"
[Laura_Leff] Why are you talking about Jerry Lewis?
[Maxwell] That's cayenne and onion lime Jell-o to be exact.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Yes, wasn't that just AWFUL?
[Steve_(shimp)] served with mayonnaise
[Laura_Leff] Too bad there isn't a GAG sound effect...
[Steve_(shimp)] or a pukey emoticon!
[Maxwell] I needed a gag emoticon.
[Maxwell] gagging, that is.
[Maxwell] Combine those two.
[Laura_Leff] So what's the deal on Jerry Lewis?
[Maxwell] Well, then we started in on "The Day the Clown Cried."
[Laura_Leff] Greetings from our back patio, BTW. This is the first time I've ever done the chat outside.
[Laura_Leff] Max - I don't know that one.
[Maxwell] If you did that here, you'd probably short out your computer.
[Steve_(shimp)] Yeah, the rest of us are getting rained on.
[Maxwell] It's an unfinished film in which Lewis plays a clown in a concentration camp.
[Laura_Leff] Max - That sounds like...um...fun.
[Kay_Lhota] I'll try this again. In the film "Rockabye Baby" Marilyn Maxwell was secretly married to a Matador
[Kay_Lhota] who was the father of her triplets
[Maxwell] You know it has to be bad when Steve Dahl (the original shock jock) thinks it's in bad taste.
[Laura_Leff] Which would make her Marilyn Maxwell Matador
[Kay_Lhota] At the end of the film when the scandal hits, the photograph of the Matador was Jack Benny
[Maxwell] Did Jack leave Marilyn his Maxwell?
[Laura_Leff] Kay - It is?
Pierre_Drewson has joined the chat.
[Maxwell] Hi Pierre
[Laura_Leff] Hello Pierre!
[Steve_(shimp)] Hi Pierre
[Kay_Lhota] They even went into a closeup and played "Love In Bloom" so you wouldn't miss it
[Laura_Leff] Max - I assume Dahl says that of the concentration camp movie.
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Oh how funny,
[Kay_Lhota] I thought it was. I didn't expect it.
[Laura_Leff] I wouldn't be surprised if he had an opportunity to do so *ahem ahem*
[Kay_Lhota] And I thought, "Does Laura kn
[Kay_Lhota] ow about this?"
[Laura_Leff] Kay - No, actually I didn't! Fun to find something new.
[Kay_Lhota] And it was just like me to pull the movie out because I wanted to see my four minutes of Hans Conried!
[Laura Leff] Side note FYI...after 11 years, I had to terminate my friendship with Joe.
[Maxwell] I just got halfway through last month's program before I realized I'd listened to it last month.
[Laura Leff] Just so's you know.
[Laura Leff] I can give you more information later if you want it, but
[Maxwell] Ah, the inevitable Hans Conreid!
[Laura Leff] I wanted you to just know that fact.
[Kay_Lhota] Yes, but I don't know Joe, do I?
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey Kay, have you ever heard Hans Conreid's album "Monster Rally"? A blog posted it recently and it's been on my mp3 player.
[Laura Leff] He was at dinner that night. The one who wanted me to stop singing and go home.
[Kay_Lhota] Can you send me the link?
[Laura Leff] Joe Ross
[Kay_Lhota] I'm Kay Lhota@aol.com
[Maxwell] Ditto: email@example.com
[Steve_(shimp)] OK, Kay, I'll see if I can find it.
[Kay_Lhota] and Max too
[Laura_Leff] Hans Conried had a much wider range than I realized from just knowing him older.
[Laura_Leff] He's even on the Benny show from time to time.
[Kay_Lhota] Yes, I heard him on one episode recently.
[Maxwell] He was on a lot of shows, hence the nickname I used that my brother gave him years ago.
[Kay_Lhota] Can't wait to get your book to search for me
[Kay_Lhota] What is that, Max?
[Laura_Leff] Max - That being?
[Maxwell] The inevitable Hans Conreid.
[Kay_Lhota] Spell it right!
[Laura_Leff] Oh hey folks...I keep forgetting to advertise this on the Forum...
[Pierre_Drewson] Hans used to do the narration on those old silent moves on Fractured Flickers
[Laura_Leff] Anyone want a copy of Volume 2 for the price of postage?
[Laura_Leff] Max - Ah, I get it.
[Maxwell] Hey! It took me 30 years to learn to spell Paul Henreid.
[Maxwell] Who do we have to kill?
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey LL, I want to send you in a REAL order. Will be doing so ASAP.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - No one. Just E-mail me. I have about six "seconds" with the cover ripped off because they were damaged in some way.
[Kay_Lhota] Can I order one, and get a second for postage?
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Sure.
[Laura_Leff] I can't legally sell them, but I can give 'em away. But I'd prefer not to give away postage.
[Maxwell] You do paypal for postage?
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey Hans fans, this is the link for the Monster Rally album: http://bentrecords.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_bentrecords_archive.html
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I can do that. But know they'll take a little percentage out.
[Steve_(shimp)] Go to April 9th
[Steve_(shimp)] He and Alice Pearce sing stuff like "Purple People Eater" and Phil's "The Thing"
[Maxwell] No problem. If you know the amount they'd take out. I'd send you that much more.
[Laura_Leff] Reminds me of Paul Frees' album of celebrities covering pop songs
[Laura_Leff] Like Peter Lorre singing "My Old Flame". Unforgettable. No matter how hard you try.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Just pop an additional 50 cents on there, and that will probably do it.
[Maxwell] The Peter Lorre is a Spike Jones record, iirc.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Is it? You sure? Someone sent me a tape of the Paul Frees album years ago, and I thought it was one of the cuts on i
[Kay_Lhota] Peter Lorre by way of Paul Frees
[Laura_Leff] Paul Frees with Spike Jones?
[Steve_(shimp)] OK, I know these both: Paul Frees and the Poster People is one, and Spike Jones Spooktacular in Stereo is the other.
[Kay_Lhota] yes indeed
[Laura_Leff] Pierre - Apologies that we're not on topic at the moment...we'll get back to Jack shortly.
[Steve_(shimp)] And Paul Frees is on the Spooktacular album as well.
[Maxwell] I have a best of Spike Jones LP with it. My Old Flame vocal by Paul Frees.
[Kay_Lhota] thanks! I enjoyed this week's episode. It must have been just before Alice Faye gave birth to Little Alice Harris
[Pierre_Drewson] I figured someome would comment on my name. I'm Pere Drewson's French cousin
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Yes, she gave birth in the following week, and they announce Phil as a daddy the next week.
[Maxwell] I thought maybe you were Pierre Nussbaum.
[Laura_Leff] Pierre - I thought you were the waiter played by Eddie Anderson before he became Rochester.
[Laura_Leff] Oh, I guess no one's heard this yet because it's set to air tonight at 7:30 my time, but...
[Kay_Lhota] boy, that was a good one, that slipped by me until you said it, Pierre.
[Laura_Leff] Did you know that Drew Pearson was on opposite Jack in the 1942-43 season? On ABC.
[Steve_(shimp)] Who did you think we thought you were, Nelson Eddy?
[Kay_Lhota] No, I didn't know that.
[Maxwell] I thought he might be Eddy Nelson.
[Laura_Leff] It may be longer than that, but I stopped the research at 1943 because I had to record the Yesterday USA shows.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - :)
[Laura_Leff] (That's the birds out here in the backyard)
[Maxwell] George Seagull?
[Laura_Leff] So I figured I'd give you all the bird...or something like that.
[Laura_Leff] So what did you think of the show for tonight?
[Steve_(shimp)] The troops are always such a great audience. So enthusiastic.
[Steve_(shimp)] And, they love Phil and Roch the most!
[Laura_Leff] Yeah, they really rip it up at the end!
[Maxwell] Yeah, you can barely hear Don at the end.
[Laura_Leff] I think, by and large, Roch always gets the biggest hand of the cast.
[Laura_Leff] Max - I even noted that in 39F V1.
[Kay_Lhota] Especially with the troops.
[Laura_Leff] Does anyone have copies of the competing Fred Allen shows where he's doing these summaries?
[Steve_(shimp)] The off-stage stuff with Roch and Mr. Billingsley was pretty funny, if not totally PC.
[Kay_Lhota] I just got a huge batch of Fred Allen shows, but I haven't heard them yet
[Maxwell] I was thinking they'd never get away with some of that stuff nowadays...or for the past 20 years or so.
[Kay_Lhota] I wanted to hear Mr. Billingsley.
[Kay_Lhota] Talking about him was funny, but I get a kick out of hearing him pop in.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Yes, on one of the YUSA shows, Rochester says he's in a bridal suite filled with so much rice that he feels like a raisin.
[Steve_(shimp)] The image of him dropping ping-pong balls on anthills from the Maxwell was funny enough for me...
[Laura_Leff] That was from 1946...somewhat unusual for that late.
[Laura_Leff] I love the Billingsley character because I'm so fond of surreal humor, and he's the essence of that.
[Laura_Leff] So what else from tonight's show?
[Steve_(shimp)] And, I guess Billingsley's "Hitler suntan" line just strikes me as funny because he's so obviously deranged, it seems less derog
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'd agree with that
[Steve_(shimp)] Yes, it's uncomfortable when Roch directs such lines at himself.
[Laura_Leff] A lot of people have said to me over the years that they don't like listening to the camp shows as much as others
[Maxwell] On the other hand, it did kind of lessen it when he said to Jack, "He thinks you're a Jap."
[Maxwell] Something else you could never say now.
[Maxwell] Amazing what you can say about an enemy when you're at war.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Reminds me of Fred Allen saying something like, "Yes, I got these slant eyes from pulling off a tight derby." Yow!
[Maxwell] What else about the show...Changes in the George M. Cohan lyrics.
[Laura_Leff] At the risk of turning this political, I want to run a short bit with Max's observation just now...
[Maxwell] "And forever on high may you wave."
[Laura_Leff] I don't hear a lot of derogatory terms about Iraquis right now, but I'm in about the bluest territory around.
[Laura_Leff] Is there anything today that comes anywhere close to the terms used in WWII?
[Maxwell] Yeah, I'm pretty much in the blue part of IL, too.
[Laura_Leff] Or even Vietnam.
[Steve_(shimp)] From the Red States, if you'll excuse me even typing these horrible terms: "raghead" and "sand n*gg*r"
[Maxwell] I've heard towelhead on occasion.
[Steve_(shimp)] Dip your toe into the scariest of the right-wing blogs and they're there...
[Laura_Leff] Yes, I've heard those as well...but not from people in this area.
[Laura_Leff] I'm just wondering about some of the anti-enemy publicity that was done during WWII
Brad_from_Georgia has joined the chat.
[Maxwell] Hey Brad!
[Kay_Lhota] Hi Brad
[Laura_Leff] You can easily find magazines with buck-toothed Japanese in coolie hats, etc.
[Laura_Leff] Hi Brad!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Hi, all--Just got back from NYC! (Well, tonight, from Mother's Day dinner with our son).
[Laura_Leff] I'm thinking that I haven't seen as much of that sort of thing in the present day.
[Maxwell] And if you couldn't find it there, you could find it in Popeye cartoons.
[Steve_(shimp)] Oh, there's no way you could be that overt. But, it seems to me the covert subtle stuff can be even more obscene in its own way
[Laura_Leff] Actually, I have to confess a great fondness for a cartoon called "Russian Rhapsody"
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey Brad!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Hi, Steve!
[Kay_Lhota] I don't think that sort of stuff is acceptable in our less innocent times, Laura. We are also a little less bigoted.
[Kay_Lhota] Gremlins from the Kremlin
[Laura_Leff] Kay - I'd certainly like to think so.
[Laura_Leff] Kay - That's it!
[Laura_Leff] We're gremlins from the Kremlin...da da da da da...
[Brad_from_Georgia] To the tune of "Otche Chornya"
[Maxwell] Yeah, about the dirtiest word you hear nowadays is "Liberal."
[Kay_Lhota] I know too much about the Warner Bros cartoons
[Pierre_Drewson] or Insurgent
[Kay_Lhota] Laura, did you know that the Gremlins are all charicatures of the Animation staff?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Round here it's "Yankee."
[Laura_Leff] Kay - No kidding!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Is that still really an epithet in the South? All these years later?
[Steve_(shimp)] It's a gentle epithet, I'd say.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Sure is. My daughter-in-law, whom we love dearly, is called "Yankee" by her husband, our son.
[Maxwell] Hey Yankee has always been a dirty word here...at least among White Sox fans.
[Kay_Lhota] It's even worse here in Red Sox country
[Laura_Leff] Thanks for exploring this topic in a non-political way, folks.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Hey, think of me--I was in New York, with Yankees to the right of me, Yankees to the leff of me...
[Laura_Leff] Kay - I was just thinking that.
[Pierre_Drewson] How about all the sports teams with names like "Redskins"
[Brad_from_Georgia] And my editor at Dial Books is a rabid Yankee fan. She hates the Braves. Calls them "Nazis."
[Maxwell] Or the Cleveland Indians mascot, Chief Wahoo.
[Brad_from_Georgia] The Braves' mascot used to be Chief Knockahoma.
[Steve_(shimp)] There's a native American intramural team in Colorado (I think) who responded by calling themselves "Fightin' Whiteys"
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Indian...German...I don't see the connection, but hey...*donning Red Sox cap* why do Yankee fans do anything? ;)
[Laura_Leff] So anyway...what else from tonight's show?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-It's because of the "Tomahawk Chop". She says it looks like Nazis saluting Hitler.
[Maxwell] Back to "And forever on high may you wave."
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Ohhhhhhhh...now I get it.
[Maxwell] Another indication of wartime.
[Steve_(shimp)] Was Cohan sick during this broadcast, Jack references that.
[Kay_Lhota] The Fred Allen stuff at the end was fun, and I will have to listen to the Fred shows from around that time
[Kay_Lhota] to see what they are parodying
[Laura_Leff] Max - I'm glad you brought that up...I didn't get that the first time.
[Maxwell] He died not long after the premiere of the movie.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I s'pose the rationing of sugar and the Jell-O commercials have been covered.
[Kay_Lhota] and commenting on back and forth
[Maxwell] Not yet, Brad.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Actually, not yet.
[Kay_Lhota] But Cohan was not well, either.
[Steve_(shimp)] Well, we discussed the pleasures of onion and cayenne vinegar lime Jell-O.
[Laura_Leff] Isn't that interesting? People must have been yelling at their grocers!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Oh. How 'bout the rationing of sugar mentioned in the Jell-O commercials?
[Kay_Lhota] He died a month after the film "Yankee Doodle Dandy" premiered
[Maxwell] With My-onnaise.
[Laura_Leff] Cohan wasn't young, either. And by then, he wasn't even on the telephone.
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[Kay_Lhota] LOL Laura
[Steve_(shimp)] LOL LL
[Laura_Leff] I love it...the room "gets" that joke.
[Maxwell] I kept my chuckling to myself.
[Kay_Lhota] well, you have a prime audience
[Brad_from_Georgia] You know, on the "Merv Griffin" interview, Jack tells the fib about being promised the George M. Cohan role in "Yankee Doodle
[Steve_(shimp)] What's the anecdote where Jack said he could have been in Yankee Doodle Dandy if it was about George M. COHEN?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Dandy" if he'd do "Horn Blows at Midnight" first.
[Laura_Leff] OK...just regulars now and no one for me to apologize to...open forum.
[Maxwell] I was going to bring that up.
[Steve_(shimp)] Psychic Jack Friends Network here...
[Brad_from_Georgia] It's a gag, of course--"Horn" was long after "YDD"
[Laura_Leff] Had to have been...1945 Horn vs. 1942 YDD
[Maxwell] But it made a good joke.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack says in the interview that the boss at the studio said, "We thought it was COHEN when we said you could do it."
[Maxwell] I remembered it 30-some years later.
[Laura_Leff] Eddie has a gag in his show about Jack being offered Bob Hope's role in The Big Broadcast as some sort of start in pictures, but
[Laura_Leff] that's obviously not true.
[Laura_Leff] I can't remember the exact setup.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yes, says that his theme could have been "Thanks for the Memories."
[Kay_Lhota] Well, Bob Hope played the role in "The Big Broadcast of 1938" because Jack Benny turned it down.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Eddie says he was in NY deciding whether to take the role--when he got back, Hope was already cast.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Y'know (y'see...y'know...), if you listen to the radio shows around that time, he tries to do just that.
[Laura_Leff] LIB and TFTM were both written by Robin and Rainger.
[Laura_Leff] Kay - What's your source on that? Why would Jack go from starring roles and top billing to a supporting role like that?
[Maxwell] When Robin and Rainger split up, the latter became known as the Lone Rainger.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yes, that's correct--they appear on one of Jack's shows pleading with him NOT to play LIB
[Kay_Lhota] do you know which episode?
[Laura_Leff] Max - :P
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Check V1
[Brad_from_Georgia] I would LOVE to have Jack's rendition of his theme as a telephone ringtone. Kay--don't know the ep, but it's in vol. 1...oh.
[Steve_(shimp)] Shucks, Brad, EVERYONE pleaded that!
[Kay_Lhota] okay, Laura. I will.
[Laura_Leff] I know someone who programmed it into their ringtone
[Laura_Leff] They kept playing it over and over at our convention.
[Laura_Leff] They even asked me to send them the sheet music so they could do it.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL--I'm not that talented. I got my wife Barbara the "Harry Potter" theme as a Mother's Day present, though!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Supposedly, one can use a 20-second MP3 file as a ringtone--don't know how to transfer it, though!
[Laura_Leff] You always knew where he was by listening for the "deedle-deedle-deee dee-dee dee-dee"
[Maxwell] Dee-dee-dee-dee dah dah dah dah dum....
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Probably depends on your carrier. Wouldn't happen to have Verizon, do you?
[Steve_(shimp)] The best ringtone would be Mel Blanc doing the miniature organ, of Love in Bloom
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-No, Cingular.
[Kay_Lhota] oh my
[Laura_Leff] Just imagine how annoying that could be if you leave your phone on your desk at work
[Maxwell] Steve, I'd pay big bux for that!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Ah, too bad. I used to work for AirTouch.
[Brad_from_Georgia] In NY I heard a guy's phone going off with a voice track of Apu from the Simpsons: "Please pick up the phone, sir."
[Steve_(shimp)] Man, it's so SQUARE to have a phone that actually rings. I'm a proud square I guess.
[Maxwell] My phone does that too because I'm too lazy to get a custom ring tone.
[Laura_Leff] Someone around me at work has one that sounds like a 1960s phone...straight bell ring. Kind of fun
[Maxwell] Since I only use it in the car driving home from work.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Oh-we saw "Avenue Q" on Broadway. At one point they pass a hat, and I dropped a quarter and a nickel in.
[Brad_from_Georgia] The actors counted the money and said, "What a cheap crowd!" One said, "Except that guy" (pointing to me).
[Brad_from_Georgia] "He's like, Jack Benny."
[Laura_Leff] You notice that you can't slam down a phone any more?
[Maxwell] I can.
[Steve_(shimp)] LL, you can, but then you have to buy a new one!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Did he really say that?
[Maxwell] I have one with a cradle.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Oh...you're OLD. :)
[Brad_from_Georgia] She, LL--the one playing Gary Coleman. Got a big laugh! Older crowd.
[Maxwell] It's a recent phone. Has caller ID and everything.
[Laura_Leff] I have one with a crank. But it's not connected.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Matinee?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-We used to dream of having a phone with a crank. We had two cans and a string!
[Kay_Lhota] I don't have a cell phone, but my husband has one.
[Steve_(shimp)] OK, I love the fact that someone just corrected a gender to she, saying "the one playing Gary Coleman"...
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Nope, evening performance. Expensive as h-e-double toothpicks!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Yeah, waving the can in a circle just isn't the same.
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[Kay_Lhota] Hi Scott
[Steve_(shimp)] I think I may have to see Avenue Q at some point.
[Laura_Leff] Hi Scott!
[Steve_(shimp)] Hi Scott.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gary Coleman is always played by a woman in "Avenue Q."
[Maxwell] Hey Scott
[Scott_in_KC] Happy Mother's Day!
[Kay_Lhota] thank you
[Brad_from_Georgia] Same to you, Scott. And to the moms in your life.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Would you sing "Little Mother of Mine" for us?
[Steve_(shimp)] Jack might have made a good Mr. Drummond...
[Scott_in_KC] LOL....My college nickname was Mother.
[Laura_Leff] Hey Scott...any thoughts on tonight's show?
[Steve_(shimp)] I've been known to be called that, with usually another word attached afterward...
[Scott_in_KC] I did not hear it. Sorry.
[Laura_Leff] I am the mother of two beautiful rabbits.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jell-O is a grand dessert, and with it we can defeat the Axis....
[Kay_Lhota] with cayanne and onion?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Ah, you missed the mouth-watering recipe for cayenne onion lime jello
[Scott_in_KC] Me, too, Steve. :)
[Maxwell] Yeah, especially if you feed them that cayenne and onion lime Jell-o thing.
[Laura_Leff] LOL...funny how we all went right back at that.
[Brad_from_Georgia] "Ach du lieber, mein gut is gebrusten!"
[Scott_in_KC] Is it kosher, Laura?
[Steve_(shimp)] This must have been one of the last Jell-O shows, with the sugar rationing mentioned.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Is Jell-O kosher?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yes, Jell-O bowed out that spring.
[Scott_in_KC] Yes and the recipie?
[Maxwell] Hmmm...it's the hooves....
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Tis. They went off for the season a couple weeks later, then to Grape Nuts the next season.
[Maxwell] Are hooves kosher?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - As Max said, I think not because I'm pretty sure horses aren't kosher.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hate to tell you folks, but Jell-O is made mostly from SKIN rather than hooves.
[Maxwell] They're cow hooves.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Not horse skin, either. Cow skin.
[Steve_(shimp)] Cow and/or pig.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - But have they always been? I thought they were horse hooves?
[Scott_in_KC] I am losing my appetite.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Well, pig I KNOW isn't kosher...unless it's very reformed.
[Laura_Leff] OK, pig skin definitely not.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Yuk yuk yuk
[Maxwell] No, they started making gelatin from hooves back in the old Union Stock Yards days.
[Laura_Leff] OK, now you've got me curious...
[Steve_(shimp)] It's considered Kosher because it is so highly processed. Read "Jell-O: A Biography" by Carolyn Wyman
[Laura_Leff] *running to check a box*
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ah, so it is reformed.
[Maxwell] Actually Jell-o is Lutheran.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack evidently didn't keep kosher...he refers frequently to bacon and egg breakfasts.
[Maxwell] You bring it to pot luck dinners to compliment the hot dish.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Actually, it's Presbyterian
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell-Garrison Keillor
[Brad_from_Georgia] and his crew served us Jell-O in St. Paul once.
[Laura_Leff] Well, the current box does have a hecture on it
[Maxwell] Or complement it.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Did when he was a boy because his father was Orthodox.
[Scott_in_KC] Max, you sound like you read The Jungle as you were discussing the stock yards of Chicago.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Keillor said "We no longer eat this, but it's fun to watch strangers choke it down."
[Maxwell] Heck, I remember the Stock Yards vaguely.
[Maxwell] Used to drive by them coming up from Kankakee on the way to Sox games.
[Laura_Leff] I remember the Stock Market vaguely.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey, we could SMELL the stockyards across the lake in Michigan....
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ya know the Fulton Fish Market is gone from the East Side of New York?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Naw, that was Gary, Indiana.
[Steve_(shimp)] But, that might just have been Gary, Indiana.
[Maxwell] Yeah, MI was downwind from them.
[Steve_(shimp)] LOL. Psychic Jack Friends again.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - LOL!
[Scott_in_KC] Stevem are you from Michigan?
[Maxwell] When you smelled Gary, it smelled like rotten eggs.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey, you wonder why the Jackson family is weird, look what they grew up in!
[Maxwell] (Lived there for 3.5 years.)
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana, that's the town that knew me when....
[Laura_Leff] Max - That's a fact.
[Steve_(shimp)] Yeah, Scott, raised in East Lansing.
[Laura_Leff] Dang...mosquito time...may have to move inside.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve--I've visited Marshall, MI many times. And I met a girl in Kalamazoo. But she just drove me to Marshall.
[Steve_(shimp)] You would drive toward Gary and it was a thick, hazy, stinky cloud.
[Scott_in_KC] Steve...I almost got a job in Haslett. Lest I digress, Laura. I really do have a Jack Benny quesyion.
[Maxwell] U.S. Steel would make coke and that would drive out the sulfur as hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg odor).
[Steve_(shimp)] My sister lives in Haslett.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - OK...shoot. We're all regulars so I'm OK with open forum.
[Maxwell] A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I got a gal in Kalamazoo!
[Scott_in_KC] OMG Brad. My dad was from Kalamazoo and I was raised in Marshall.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Scott--really! Ya know, I write the John Bellairs books now!
[Laura_Leff] I'm from Grand Rapids...about an hour north of Kalamazoo.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Yes. I always knew when my family was driving through Gary because of that tremendous sulfur smell. I'd dig down into my
[Laura_Leff] sleeping bag to try to avoid it.
[Maxwell] I once drove from Joliet to Kalamazoo to hear Sonny Rollins play. Drove back home in a snowstorm.
[Scott_in_KC] Brad. e-mail me sometime. KCApape@aol.com My Jack Benny question is: Are any of his things in the Smithosian?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - That could have been any time from November to April.
[Maxwell] I think it was about January.
[Kay_Lhota] that is an interesting question.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Nope, not really.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - When I was working with the Smithsonian to set up the tour after the 39 Man March, we talked about it.
[Scott_in_KC] Bummer, Laura. There should be.
[Laura_Leff] But they didn't have anything specific.
[Laura_Leff] I can tell you where else stuff is, though./
[Scott_in_KC] With Joan, Laura?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Hey, you like the caption to the 39 Man March photo in the latest Times?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Scott--will do. LL--the Museum of the Moving Image in NY is supposed to have some TV footage of Jack--don't know what, though.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hey Laura, I keep meaning to tell you will be in Berkeley next week & will probably be going to dinner
[Laura Leff] With me?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Well, some.
[Steve_(shimp)] Would love to have you & Dan join us at Trader Vic's..?
[Laura Leff] In Walnut Creek or SF?
[Steve_(shimp)] Great pic, LL, the whole crowd!
[Scott_in_KC] Speaking of Joan, how is she these days?
[Laura_Leff] I'm thinking more of collectables and research material.
[Steve_(shimp)] The one in Emeryville - it's a tradition with my friends when I'm in town.
[Laura_Leff] Scott- Doing fine, enjoying life.
[Kay_Lhota] that's nice to hear.
[Laura Leff] Cool! We live in Oakland, so that would be great. What day?
[Steve_(shimp)] Probably Saturday, nothing confirmed yet.
[Scott_in_KC] ^5 I miss she could join this chat. The room would be filled to the brim.
[Laura_Leff] Yes, she enjoys travelling and going between the coasts.
[Scott_in_KC] I miss...I mean I wish.....
[Laura_Leff] Scott - True, but that's also not really her thing.
[Steve_(shimp)] I'm getting in Thursday and could give you a ring...
[Laura Leff] Great. You still have my number?
[Steve_(shimp)] Think so, but you might want to e-mail it to me again, firstname.lastname@example.org
[Brad_from_Georgia] We ought to organize...a Jack Benny CRUISE!
[Laura_Leff] I always try to respect her limits WRT her father and the difference between "Joan" and "Jack Benny's daughter".
[Steve_(shimp)] We're celebrating my book being done, we can celebrate 39 forever 2 as well.
[Scott_in_KC] Maybe some of the others' children or grandchildren could join us?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Tis possible. We've talked about that from time to time.
[Steve_(shimp)] My co-author's wife is in your line of work, too, so there's common ground.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Great idea! Go do it! :)
[Steve_(shimp)] She's a project consultant type. Very sweet.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Oh, no, you don't.
[Laura Leff] Mazel tov!
[Maxwell] I nominate Brad to organize that cruise!
[Scott_in_KC] Great idea, Brad. You be the Skipper and I will be Gilligan. Laura can be Mary Ann or Ginger. :)
[Laura Leff] What's her name? Maybe I know her.
[Maxwell] All in favor?
[Steve_(shimp)] Jenny Bartoy, formerly Salomon.
[Brad_from_Georgia] But think about it--Eddie Carroll can entertain in the lounge....
[Laura Leff] Hmmm...doesn't ring an immediate bell, but you never know.
[Brad_from_Georgia] ...we can pipe Dennis Day songs in to the ship's restaurant....
[Steve_(shimp)] She worked for some PR firm in SF for awhile, but it will be fun. I'll keep you posted.
[Maxwell] To be a true Jack Benny cruise, it would have to be in a galley.
[Brad_from_Georgia] ...we can gorge on Jell-O....
[Laura_Leff] Where will it cruise to? Waukegan?
[Maxwell] And we'd have to pay to be oarsmen.
[Laura Leff] Sounds great. Would love seeing you again.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Well, I've never been to Hawaii....
[Scott_in_KC] Brad, we would have to sail for Santa Catalina, like Jack did when he was buying a yachet and got seasick.
[Steve_(shimp)] Great! I'll get you more details when I know.. S.
[Maxwell] Take a boat from Navy Pier to Waukegan Harbor.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Ooooooo
[Brad_from_Georgia] That's a great idea, Scott! Or even the Navy Pier--that would work, too, Maxwell!
[Laura_Leff] Navy Pier at the Great Lakes Naval Station?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Scott-"Yachet" is the sound you make when you get seasick.
[Maxwell] I like Navy Pier. It's only about 35 miles from me.
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Brad. ^5
[Maxwell] Navy Pier is in downtown Chicago.
[Maxwell] Chicago's biggest money making tourist attraction.
[Brad_from_Georgia] How about the Old Navy pier? We could all dress to the nines!
[Steve_(shimp)] Oh, man, I have to say a cruise is like my worst nightmare. Maybe a Jack Benny mule train....?
[Laura_Leff] There's been talk of a Jack Benny train from LA to New York
[Laura_Leff] Or Chicago
[Maxwell] The cruises from Navy Pier last maybe an hour.
[Steve_(shimp)] With mules?
[Scott_in_KC] Sorry, Kay, you can be Ginger or Mary Ann.
[Laura_Leff] Jack Benny covered wagon...there was one...I even know where it is now...
[Brad_from_Georgia] I'd say a four-day cruise or nothin'. I've been on four and seven-day cruises, and I actually like the shorter ones best.
[Maxwell] And if you're really lucky, you can go on the Chicago River and while going under one of the bridges, you might get a surprise..
[Steve_(shimp)] Little Jack on the Prairie...
[Maxwell] from the Dave Mathews Band.
[Steve_(shimp)] I always think of the missed possibilities for Jack parodies that came later.
[Scott_in_KC] Laura, don't tell me. Will it stop at Azuza, Anaheim, and Coooooo ca maga?
[Kay_Lhota] oh my!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Would you believe people have analyzed whether that route would make sense?
[Steve_(shimp)] EEEWW. Max, I've had those surprises nearly dripped on me in Chicago.
[Maxwell] I can believe anything.
[Scott_in_KC] I bet. I know the Southwest Chief really leaves here (Kansas City) to Los Angeles. I never saw Jack playing gin or Phil dringi
[Brad_from_Georgia] *harp* We get a harp but no violin?
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Hey, I didn't pick it for the SFX
[Scott_in_KC] drinking pin.
[Maxwell] Well, if we had a violin, we'd also have to have Prof. LeBlanc.
[Scott_in_KC] gin* I can't type tonight. Sorry, folks.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Please, Meesieur Ben-nee...a crust of bread...a soobway token....anyzing...
[Laura_Leff] Bowling pin...drinking gin
[Laura_Leff] How about a Spanish dubloon?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Thinkin' thin. Oh, btw, I lost 20 lbs so far at Weight Watchers.
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Laura
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Mazel tov!
[Steve_(shimp)] Congrats Brad
[Scott_in_KC] You go, Brad! :)
[Maxwell] Attaway Brad!
[Steve_(shimp)] Brad, want to be scared, check out mypetfat.com
[Maxwell] I lost 20 lb. last year, but I found it again.
[Brad_from_Georgia] My wife actually beat me to the 20-lb goal. Since we got back from our trip, I've been scared to weigh. All that NY pizza....
[Kay_Lhota] I've managed to keep off the wieght I lost.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I'm gonna stick with the program. Any luck, I'll hit my goal weight by, oh, next Christmas!
[Steve_(shimp)] I had sea monkeys, but they died. I'm thinking about a pet fat.
[Scott_in_KC] Laura, that famous drawing of Jack Benny on the webpage. Who drew it and when?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Andre Bouche as one of a series of drawings for CBS. Jack's is the one that really stuck.
[Brad_from_Georgia] It's a wonderful likeness of Jack.
[Scott_in_KC] I have seen it elsewhere.
[Laura_Leff] As far as time, I think it was some time in the 1950s. In my files I have a clearance for Jack to use it whenever, but I can't
[Laura_Leff] remember the date on it.
[Steve_(shimp)] Does more than one version of the Bouche caricature exist? There seem to be variations.
[Brad_from_Georgia] It's part of Eddie Carroll's logo for his show as well.
[Laura_Leff] Actually, it would have had to be pre-1954, because I think those are the earliest shows where I've
[Laura_Leff] seen it on the title card.
[Scott_in_KC] I have an old LP with that pic. I wish I knew where it was so I would give it to you, Laura.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I think they're the same drawing with different aspects included or excluded.
[Steve_(shimp)] Ah, interesting. Some he looks a little less rosy-cheeked, or fuller-faced I think.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Appreciate that, but I bet it's "The Jack Benny Story" and I already have a couple copies.
[Laura_Leff] I think the one on our home page is the whole drawing.
[Brad_from_Georgia] There are a few varieties of the Hischfeld caricature as well, some of them kinda bizarre looking.
[Scott_in_KC] Is it the recording he talks about "timing" as his greatest asset?
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Yes, there are definitely multiple ones of those.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Not to sound flip, but yikes, that interview has been used in just about every Benny tribute there is.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - But I think that may be the first clip on the first record.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-If you play the interview backwards, it turns into an "Allen's Alley" segment.
[Laura_Leff] What was Hirschfeld's thing about using spirals for eyes?
[Maxwell] Maybe he drank a lot.
[Scott_in_KC] Maybe I am thinking of a recording in which Jack describes OTR. That is it, he was describing OTR.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - I wouldn't be surprised. I've heard it so many times that I could probably just *think* it backwards.
[Maxwell] Howdy Bub
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Brad.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - The interview is pretty lengthy, and covers a lot of ground. It was done for a 1972 show called "The Great Comedians",
[Brad_from_Georgia] I think Hirschfeld's spirals were meant to connote the sparkliness of eyes on the Broadway stage.
[Laura_Leff] which is quite good and features more than just Jack.
[Steve_(shimp)] You should see what happens when you sync up Love in Bloom with "The Wizard of Oz"....
[Brad_from_Georgia] There's a charming Hirschfeld of Harpo Marx with wildly swirly eyes.
[Laura_Leff] We're off to see Steve Bradley...
[Laura_Leff] Brad - See, now THAT works. Because Harpo's character was sort of crazy in his own way.
[Scott_in_KC] The recording I have of Jack narrating, he discusses comedy and drama. He pronounces "drama" with a long A.
[Laura_Leff] Or Jerry Lewis, or Zero Mostel.
[Steve_(shimp)] Scott, give him a break, he's a midwesterner!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - drAYma?
[Brad_from_Georgia] I think Jack usually pronounced "drama" that way. I remember it from the radio shows.
[Maxwell] A long A or a hard A?
[Scott_in_KC] LOL...I am a Midwesterner too.
[Maxwell] I could imagine "dramma."
[Steve_(shimp)] Me too.. but my stint in Virginia has me all screwed up vowel-wise.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[Maxwell] Being a lifelong Illinoisian myself....
[Laura_Leff] Like to rhyme with "gramma"
[Maxwell] I've known people who pronounce it that way.
[Steve_(shimp)] I spent a summer excavating with British folks, and you should have heard them cringe when I said "khaki pants".
[Brad_from_Georgia] "The Benny players will present our version of that well-known dramma...."
[Laura_Leff] Well, Grape Nuts is not RAYshunned
[Brad_from_Georgia] "Alabama Mamma."
[Laura_Leff] You can use in on every MAINyew
[Brad_from_Georgia] And garnish it with My-naise.
[Steve_(shimp)] Where was Don originally from?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'm sure they weren't particularly interested in seeing pants...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Denver
[Brad_from_Georgia] That's how my mom pronounces "Mayonnaise," btw. Me, I pronounce it like "vodka." I love sandwiches.
[Steve_(shimp)] LOL, nope. But they were amused by Twinkies and Ding
[Steve_(shimp)] Dongs as snacks...
[Laura_Leff] But I think his pronounciation must have been network-standard.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'll bet. Try their Dog's Bollocks beer next time.
[Brad_from_Georgia] "Imagine main-yew, I do, I think about it dain-night, 'sonly right...."
[Maxwell] I'm going to have to listen closely to other commercials from the era now.
[Steve_(shimp)] I had forgotten, there's a good show from Denver where they talk a lot about it being Don's home town.
[Laura_Leff] I still say Mwaukee and Indnapolis
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell--the "Bromo-Seltzer" train always gave me the creeps for some reason.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yeah, that's it.
[Scott_in_KC] Laura, are you familiar with that 5/26/46 espisode of the Fred Allen Show when Jack loses his pants? It seems like they were...
[Maxwell] I love the Bromo-Seltzer train!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - King for a Day
[Kay_Lhota] Like and old shoe
[Laura_Leff] There it is again
[Scott_in_KC] ....really taking them off. Hard to believe that show is 60 years old in a few days.
[Laura_Leff] Myron Proudfoot
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell-didn't Bromo-Seltzer once sponsor the Ellery Queen show?
[Laura_Leff] I'm a chaplain in a bakery
[Steve_(shimp)] Brad, I agree the Bromo-Seltzer train is creepy. What show did they sponsor, that might have had something to do with it...
[Scott_in_KC] Exactly, Laura! :)
[Maxwell] I'm not sure.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Yes, that question comes around a lot. I think he must have because of the audience reaction.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I can't remember, but I've heard it. Maybe one of the horror shows, like "Lights Out."
[Laura_Leff] There's also a story that he had "LS" and "MFT" embroidered on his shorts
[Scott_in_KC] Laura, were they really taking his clothes off. The way the audience sounded, it seemed like they were really doing it.
[Steve_(shimp)] Yes, that or the Whistler or Mysterious Traveler - that's why it rings creepy to me.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-And when he gained weight, the whole slogan appeared!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - I think my lines got ahead of you...
[Laura_Leff] Brad - I could make that dirty, but won't.
[Maxwell] The only sponsor I've heard for any Whistler shows was Signal Oil.
[Maxwell] But I haven't heard all that many of them.
[Laura_Leff] I...am the Fiddler...
[Brad_from_Georgia] Rins-O Blue had a kind of chirpy commercial, I remember.
[Laura_Leff] I walk by night...*scree scree scree*
[Maxwell] I know it wasn't Grand Central Station (still talking about Bromo).
[Scott_in_KC] I am not a touch typist Laura...Plus, I was looking at my CD to get the correct date. :)
[Laura_Leff] Rinso WHITE and Rinso BRIGHT! Happy little washday song!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - OK, just wanted to insure you'd gotten my answer.
[Maxwell] Now the creepy one to me is L-A-V-A, L-A-V-A....
[Brad_from_Georgia] Oh, gosh, remember the Ralston cereal commercial?
[Scott_in_KC] If you like OTR, watch "Radio Days" by Woody Allen.
[Maxwell] I know the Tom Mix one.
[Steve_(shimp)] LL, I LOVE the B.O. foghorn. I am on a quest to find some lifebuoy soap, just cause I love it so much.
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Oh yeah, definitely.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell--that's it!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - ah, I heard that there's an online
[Laura_Leff] "old country store" that carries old brands like that.
[Steve_(shimp)] Cool, I'll track it down.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Lifebuoy is readily available around here.
[Maxwell] I'm trying to remember the name of the tune the Ralston theme was from...something like "When It's Roundup Time in Texas."
[Laura_Leff] Hark, I hear the cannons roah. Is it the king approaching?
[Scott_in_KC] <<< Wondering what life was like beofre color TV. :)
[Kay_Lhota] LOL Laura
[Maxwell] I've heard Gene Autry sing it on his TV show.
[Steve_(shimp)] There's a great Bugs Bunny cartoon where he sniffs along the ground, and ends up in someone's pit and mouths the BO foghorn.
[Maxwell] There was radio.
[Laura_Leff] And radio was KING!
[Maxwell] People used to sit and stare at it wondering where the pictures were.
[Scott_in_KC] Laura...That is "kingk" approaching
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ya know, I've heard that the "Beeeeyoop!" zippy sound in Looney Tunes cartoons was a vocal by animator Tex Avery.
[Laura_Leff] I just pulled a 1937 Radio Guide yesterday and found on the cover (below a painting of Jack) "Who is Holding Television Back?"
[Scott_in_KC] Hear the cannons raw
[Kay_Lhota] It wasn't Tex Avery it was Bob Clampett
[Maxwell] Yup...it was used in Clampett's cartoons.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack was holding TV back? I'll bet he was waiting for color TV to show up his blue eyes. I stand Clampett-corrected.
[Laura_Leff] Supposedly, Walter Lantz's wife originated the Woody Woodpecker laugh, but then there was an argument that Mel Blanc did.
[Laura_Leff] Even went to court.
[Maxwell] Mel did.
[Maxwell] At least according to him.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Mel did the first Woody voice. It was like his early Bugs Bunny voice--almost identical.
[Laura_Leff] Mel and the Sportsmen did the record of Woody Woodpecker
[Scott_in_KC] Woody Woodpecker's voice was Walter Lantz' wife?
[Maxwell] The laugh was similar to one he did for both Bugs and Daffy Duck.
[Kay_Lhota] yes, she did it later
[Brad_from_Georgia] The Mel laugh in the very first cartoon was weirder than the standard ha-ha-ha-HAH-ha of later years.
[Steve_(shimp)] When did Woody first appear?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Grace Lantz did Woody for years. I think the first Woody cartoon was 1940, but I'm not sure.
[Scott_in_KC] Shuffin' shuckatash
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I think it was "Bananas"...
[Steve_(shimp)] I watched the old George Pal movie "Destination Moon" awhile back and there's a whole Woody-goes-to-the-moon segment in it.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - (Actually not, but I can't remember the name of the movie)
[Kay_Lhota] It was in 1940. It was called "Knock Knock" an Andy Panda cartoon
[Steve_(shimp)] But Woody doesn't get any attention at all nowadays as far as I can tell.
[Steve_(shimp)] I was always partial to Chilly Willy of the Lantz stable for some reason.
[Scott_in_KC] Thanks, Kay. :)
[Maxwell] Tex Avery directed several of the early Chilly Willys.
[Laura_Leff] And what ever happened to Little Lulu?
[Maxwell] I think he may have even created him, but I won't swear to that.
[Kay_Lhota] I can tell you, Laura.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Tex grumbled, "You can't get laughs with a little old fuzzy penguin!"
[Steve_(shimp)] All those about her died of boredom, LL
[Laura_Leff] Kay - OK...
[Scott_in_KC] I know there was a Jack Bunny, but did Jack ever supply his voice to cartoons?
[Brad_from_Georgia] "Little Lulu" was resurrected a few years ago as a Home Box Office show.
[Kay_Lhota] Paramount's Famous studio did those cartoons for a few years, but because they
[Steve_(shimp)] Other than Mouse that Jack Built...?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - "the Mouse That Jack Built"
[Laura_Leff] Brad - It was?
[Scott_in_KC] Anything on TV?
[Kay_Lhota] didn't own the character, they didn't want to pay the royalty to the newspaper syndicate
[Maxwell] So they created Little Audrey.
[Kay_Lhota] so they created "Little Audrey"
[Laura_Leff] Oh, I'll be darned.
[Steve_(shimp)] Wow, that is one of the great mysteries revealed to me. That's cool to know!
[Maxwell] But they paid King Features a royalty for Popeye for years.
[Steve_(shimp)] Now, is Casper really the ghost of Richie Rich?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Tracey Ulman did Lulu's voice for HBO.
[Scott_in_KC] I yam what I yam
[Laura_Leff] You know, I'd heard KFS was trying to re-invent the Popeye brand a year or two ago.
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Steve
[Laura_Leff] Scott - You're a yam?
[Maxwell] I love yams.
[Steve_(shimp)] I love Popeye because he's such a horrible role model for kids. Sure he eats his spinach, but he's a cussin' one-eyed sailor.
[Brad_from_Georgia] "What kinda name is Olive Oyl? Sounds like some kind o' lubricinks."
[Laura_Leff] I'd heard they were trying to do something to make him (Popeye) sort of hip and happenin.
[Scott_in_KC] I was imitating Popeye, Laura
[Maxwell] Whow beats people up.
[Laura_Leff] OK, too many mosquitoes...moving inside.
[Steve_(shimp)] How did Popeye lose his eye?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Popeye...cartoon uprightness tied to a short fuse.
[Scott_in_KC] Olive Oyl was annorexic.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve-In one of the comic strips, he explains that he has two eyes, but one of them is "squinky".
[Maxwell] Yup. And of course he was the model for Festus on Gunsmoke.
[Steve_(shimp)] Maybe he'd been using Bausch and Lomb contact solution...
[Maxwell] (Well, I just made that part up.)
[Scott_in_KC] Was Brtus (aka Jackson Beck) ever on a Jack Benny show?
[Maxwell] My son has an eye infection...and he was using &L.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hope it clears up Max! That is bad stuff from what I hear.
[Maxwell] Brutus? Boy that dates you!
[Brad_from_Georgia] ...Ken Curtis, who played Festus, sort of prefigured that character with Charley McCorry from the John Wayne film "The Searchers
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Actually, I just heard that he's the "Beck, ?" in Volume 2.
[Scott_in_KC] I could have said Bluto
[Maxwell] To us old folks it's Bluto.
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - I didn't even know he was gay.
[Scott_in_KC] ^5 Max
[Maxwell] It's a well-kept secret, LL.
[Laura_Leff] So yes, he was on the Benny show.
[Scott_in_KC] Wimpy and Oliver Oyl were brother and sister?
[Steve_(shimp)] Oliver Oyl?
[Laura_Leff] Scott - More like Mutt and Jeff.
[Maxwell] Couldn't be. His name was J. Wellington Wimpy.
[Steve_(shimp)] Coliver Oyl keeps you regular...
[Maxwell] Castor Oyl was Olive Oyl's brother.
[Laura_Leff] I hope not, considering what they do in Tijuana Bibles.
[Scott_in_KC] I think they were related.
[Laura_Leff] Banana oil
[Scott_in_KC] Iraqi Oyl
[Laura_Leff] Scott - LOL
[Steve_(shimp)] Who names their kid sweepea, anyway?
[Laura_Leff] Crude Oyl had a foul mouth
[Maxwell] And who's kid was Sweepea?
[Brad_from_Georgia] J. Wellington Wimpy was no relation to Olive. And his I.Q. is 240.
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Laura
[Brad_from_Georgia] Sweepea was a orphink chile.
[Maxwell] No, that's how many hamburgers a day he eats.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - At least, that's what they wanted everyone to BELIEVE.
[Steve_(shimp)] My favorite popeyeism is "abusement parks" - I always call them that.
[Maxwell] And remember, he always pays you back on Tuesday.
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Brad
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Did you see the note on that in the Times as well?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Segar always said that Wimpy was the smartest character in the strip. "He can always outthink Popeye."
[Steve_(shimp)] Holy cow, must have missed that! I glanced through the times but haven't sat down for a full read yet.
[Maxwell] At least as far as getting free hamburgers.
[Laura_Leff] There's a cartoon online which is a cross between Popeye and Star Trek.
[Laura_Leff] Drawn by an old friend of mine.
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-What is it?
[Scott_in_KC] Max, especially during The Great Depression
[Laura_Leff] Try the Popeye FanClub (not a typo...that's what they call it). I think it may be on their site.
[Laura_Leff] It's been a while since I saw it, but it's......well.........pretty strange.
[Steve_(shimp)] The interview was great in the Times, though, LL, what a treat to hear from "Belly-Laugh"
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yes! It was fun transcribing it.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve--second that! Good interview!
[Laura_Leff] I'm looking forward to the next issue. Want to try and finish that interview, and have another timely one to celebrate an
[Laura_Leff] important anniversary this December.
[Steve_(shimp)] It's nice to know that a few of the Benny cast here and there are still well and with us.
[Laura_Leff] But I don't have to do that until August.
[Kay_Lhota] I enjoyed that interview with Dix Davis, Laura.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - And mainly the young ones.
[Scott_in_KC] What is in Dec., the anniversay of Jack's passing?
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Yes, thank you.
[Laura_Leff] OK, trivia time...
[Laura_Leff] What happened 70 years ago this December?
[Laura_Leff] You can get this. This room can.
[Scott_in_KC] Jack debuted?
[Steve_(shimp)] The first Benny broadcast?
[Kay_Lhota] The feud!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - Nope
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Yes, what part?
[Maxwell] Jack changed his name to Jack Benny?
[Steve_(shimp)] Oh, man, that can't be right...
[Laura_Leff] Max - No, that was 1920.
[Steve_(shimp)] The first Jell-O show?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Jack changed his name back to Benjamin Kubelsky?
[Kay_Lhota] That Fred Allen had Stuart Canin on his show in Dec of 1936
[Laura_Leff] Kay's on the trail...get more specific
[Laura_Leff] Kay - YOU GOT IT!
[Scott_in_KC] The first show was in 1934, anyway, right?
[Kay_Lhota] and on Dec 30 Jack commented on Fred's comment
[Laura_Leff] Scott - 1932
[Kay_Lhota] and the Feud got off and running
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ah, that was "The Bee."
[Maxwell] Damn...I was thinking 1926 instead of 36. (And to think I used to teach math....)
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Not quite...12/30 was Fred's show
[Kay_Lhota] I was close
[Scott_in_KC] Thanks...I am not an expert.
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Oh you get credit.
[Maxwell] And I get an F in math.
[Steve_(shimp)] I think we should have a Jack Benny Feud Fight event... we can throw Jell-O and Grape Nuts at each other...
[Laura_Leff] So I interviewed Stuart Canin and he gives us his recollection of what Fred said on the West Coast broadcast.
[Kay_Lhota] but I thought it came at the end of the Buck Benny episode
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve- :D
[Kay_Lhota] I better look up the dates
[Laura_Leff] Steve - How about JellO and Sal Hepatica?
[Scott_in_KC] Any more, Laura, like Who's buried in Jack's tomb?
[Laura_Leff] Kay - It did, but the following week.
[Steve_(shimp)] Those are actually two things that reasonably go together well, for which I will not explain further....!
[Laura_Leff] Scott - OK, who *is* buried in Jack's tomb?
[Maxwell] Thanks, Steve.
[Brad_from_Georgia] BTW, I liked Jack's parody of Fred Allen.
[Kay_Lhota] okay, I see it now. The first response was on 01-03-37
[Scott_in_KC] Jack and Mary?
[Steve_(shimp)] Slightly off topic, where is Fred Allen buried?
[Laura_Leff] Max - Granted
[Laura_Leff] Kay - That's it
[Laura_Leff] Scott - YOU GOT IT!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Back East, either New Jersey or Long Island. Under his regular name of John Florence Sullivan.
[Scott_in_KC] Thanks Laura.....
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Check findagrave.com...they've got pictures.
[Steve_(shimp)] I should have gone on my last road trip. I saw Washington Irving's grave and the Headless Horseman bridge which is now a boring
[Laura_Leff] Portland is not buried with him.
[Steve_(shimp)] Really, LL, why not?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Fred is buried in Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Hawthorne, NY.
[Scott_in_KC] "Oh Mr. Allen, Mr. Allen......?"
[Laura_Leff] Steve - She remarried. I think she's buried with her second husband.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - There you go.
[Laura_Leff] A bandleader, as I recall. But I don't recall the name.
[Maxwell] Not Al Goodman?
[Steve_(shimp)] Saw Irving when I should have seen Hawthorne! Darned early American lit!
[Laura_Leff] Eddie Anderson, on the other hand, remarried but is buried with his first wife.
[Brad_from_Georgia] He's buried under his real name, by the way--the stone reads John F. Sullivan "Fred Allen".
[Scott_in_KC] Laura...The bandleader was Phil Harris. :)
[Laura_Leff] max - I think I'd remember that, but you could be right.
[Laura_Leff] Steve and Scott - :P
[Maxwell] LL, Al Goodman led the band on Allen's show.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Oh, I was thinking of Peter Van Steeden
[Maxwell] Okay, so what show did Al Goodman lead? Or maybe he came later....
[Laura_Leff] OK, trivia time again...
[Maxwell] Now I'm gonna have to look that up!
[Laura_Leff] How many Jack Benny bandleaders can you name?
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - You may be right and he came later. I'm not an Allen expert.
[Steve_(shimp)] Don Bestor, Phil Harris
[Kay_Lhota] Don Bestor, Johnny Green, Phil Harris,
[Steve_(shimp)] Whew, claimed the easy ones!
[Laura_Leff] Yeah...more more...
[Kay_Lhota] Bob Crosby
[Maxwell] Ted Weems, Johnny Green PHil Harris Bob Crosby...
[Steve_(shimp)] Mahlon Merrick, the real one
[Laura_Leff] How about the first one
[Maxwell] Mahlon Merrick
[Laura_Leff] Steve - good call
[Laura_Leff] And and?
[Kay_Lhota] I thought about him, but didn't think to list him
[Scott_in_KC] Doc Severson, Skitch Henderson, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg......
[Brad_from_Georgia] Me type 2 slow.
[Steve_(shimp)] LOL Scott
[Laura_Leff] Scott - LOL
[Laura_Leff] And and? You've got at least two more
[Kay_Lhota] George Olson
[Steve_(shimp)] Ludwig Von Beethoven
[Laura_Leff] Kay - That's one of them
[Brad_from_Georgia] John Philip Sousa. "Play, John."
[Laura_Leff] Need a hint?
[Scott_in_KC] LOL Brad
[Steve_(shimp)] Hint, hing
[Kay_Lhota] his name hit me all of a sudden when I thought of his first show with Ethel Shutta
[Maxwell] Floyd Bannister!
[Laura_Leff] Kay - Yeah, George and Ethel were married
[Scott_in_KC] Was the bandleader a hip-hop artist
[Steve_(shimp)] Frank ...
[Laura_Leff] Maxwell - Thank you J. Edgar Hoover
[Kay_Lhota] yes, and she did WHOOPEE with Eddie Cantor
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yeah, yeah...
[Maxwell] Didn't Ida object?
[Kay_Lhota] George Olson did the music for the stage show and the movie
[Steve_(shimp)] tip of the tongue... Black?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - YEAHHH!!!!!!
[Laura_Leff] Hey, who said Ted Weems? That's darned good!
[Maxwell] I did.
[Laura_Leff] Max - Good job!
[Laura_Leff] I'd forgotten him until you said his name!
[Maxwell] Midwesterner...Ted Weems was very popular out this way a generation before I was born.
[Kay_Lhota] I have Volume 1 beside me, but it wouldn't be fair now to name Frank Black. So no points to score
[Maxwell] I think it was his boy singer, some guy named Como.
[Laura_Leff] Max - True. I have lot of his records I picked up in Michigan.
[Scott_in_KC] The Da Vinci Como?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Ah, "Perry Coma," as my aunt always called him.
[Laura_Leff] We could get real technical and pick up people like Benny Goodman and Abe Lyman who subbed
[Maxwell] Either she stole that from Mad Magazine or they stole that from her.
[Laura_Leff] The Velvet Frog...
[Maxwell] Michigan J. Frog.
[Steve_(shimp)] MAD is such a wonderful universal constant. Every few years I pick one up and it's still the same.
[Maxwell] Except Don Martin is dead.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Probably MAD from her. Back in the fifties, she HATED Perry Como--and my mom liked the show.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - An argument for not subscribing.
[Laura_Leff] Guy Lumbago
[Steve_(shimp)] True, I suppose. MAD and Godzilla just go on and on... I like that some things stay the same!
[Brad_from_Georgia] I once met Jack Davis, who used to be one of the usual gang of idiots at MAD.
[Laura_Leff] And Dr. Who
[Kay_Lhota] what was he like?
[Scott_in_KC] Max, so is David Berg. :(
[Maxwell] I used to love the Berg's Eye View Dept.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Davis? Nice guy--talked to me about working with my old friend Ed Dodd on the "Mark Trail" comic strip in the fifties.
[Kay_Lhota] oh cool!
[Laura_Leff] And Gasoline Alley
[Brad_from_Georgia] I talked to him about finding a bunch of Davis's early drawings in the UGA library, dating from his student days.
[Maxwell] MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRK TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
[Laura_Leff] (GA = things that keep going and stay the same)
[Maxwell] Guardian of the forest!
[Scott_in_KC] Wow...The Kevin Bacon Effect going on here. :)
[Steve_(shimp)] Jack Davis is wonderful. His EC scary comics from the fifties are classics as well. Tales from the Crypt, etc.
[Laura_Leff] I thought that was Grizzly Man
[Brad_from_Georgia] Dodd once told me "I had to fire Davis. He couldn't draw feet. His damn feet looked like they had a hinge in 'em!"
[Maxwell] Sounds like Don Martin feet.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Maxwell--I suggested that Jack caught the hingefoot from Don Martin!
[Maxwell] Could be!
[Steve_(shimp)] I always think of Harvey Kurtzman as the original "MAD" guy, he had that way with words that is peculiar to MAD.
[Brad_from_Georgia] I always hoped that when Ed passed away, he would will me the Pogo strip that Walt Kelly gave him...but he didn't. Sigh.
[Maxwell] Gotta go....Adios!
[Kay_Lhota] goodnight Max
[Laura_Leff] Take care, Maxwell!
[Steve_(shimp)] Hasta la vista Max...
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[Scott_in_KC] Are you an artist, Brad?
[Scott_in_KC] Take care, Max!
[Laura_Leff] So tell me something...was Pogo much better once than when it was resurrected?
[Brad_from_Georgia] Scott-Only a BS artist. A writer...
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Pogo was a classic. It was a WONDERFUL strip in its heyday!
[Steve_(shimp)] Brad, have you seen the unemployment skit in Mel Brooks' History of the World?
[Laura_Leff] It came back in the 1980s and I read it for a while, but it seemed quite dull.
[Laura_Leff] But there are so many quotables from it that it must have been great at one time.
[Kay_Lhota] Pogo has a kind of low key humor and plays on words that you sort of have to grow into
[Scott_in_KC] "I have seen the enenmy and it is us." Is that the right quoye?
[Brad_from_Georgia] LL-Yes, that was Kelly's second wife and some assistants helping out. They sometimes sort of got the tone, but not often.
[Brad_from_Georgia] "We have met the enemy--and he is us."
[Laura_Leff] We have met the enemy, and it is us.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - OK, that makes me feel better. I thought I just wasn't "getting" it.
[Kay_Lhota] My Mom had a song book of Pogo songs that we used to sing
[Brad_from_Georgia] My favorite Pogo has a long discussion of grammar at its core: "A octopots done is got Albert"
[Steve_(shimp)] I have met the enemy and he is Fred Allen.
[Brad_from_Georgia] is the present emphatiwoticle tense.
[Kay_Lhota] like "The Keen and the Quing"
[Scott_in_KC] Thanks Laura and Brad. That strip was too highbrow for me. I will stick to "Peanuts" or "Garfield"
[Brad_from_Georgia] "The Keen and the Quiong were quirling at quoits in a meadow behind of the mere..."
[Brad_from_Georgia] quing, I mean...
[Steve_(shimp)] Peanuts is very Jack Benny...
[Kay_Lhota] Tho Mainly the meadow was middled with mo
[Laura_Leff] Peanuts was really, really great up to the 1970s. Then it started getting cutesy.
[Kay_Lhota] an hiretical hitherto hear
[Brad_from_Georgia] "Hooroar a roar for Nora, Nora Alice in the Night, for she has seen Aurora Borealis burning bright..."
[Laura_Leff] Steve - yes, Eddie wrote a column comparing Charlie Brown to Jack Benny and it was quite good.
[Kay_Lhota] the Prince and the Princess were praiting hte plates and praiting quite primly the peer
[Scott_in_KC] Yeah, Laura.
[Kay_Lhota] and that's why the duchess stuck ducks on the duke for no one was overto seer
[Steve_(shimp)] Charlie Brown is Jack Benny, though Jack's a little less maudlin about it...
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yes, Jack has a little more fight in him.
[Scott_in_KC] I gotta run too. God bless everyone! :)
[Brad_from_Georgia] "I was eatin' some chop suey with a lady from St. Louie when there sudden come a poundin' on the door...
[Laura_Leff] Take care, Scott!
[Kay_Lhota] goodnight scott
[Steve_(shimp)] Bye Scott
[Brad_from_Georgia] And that knocker, he says Honey, roll this rocker out some money, or your daddy shoots a baddy to the floor."
[Laura_Leff] Look out! It's a Pogo tear!
[Brad_from_Georgia] G'night, Scott!
[Kay_Lhota] it's spooky, Laura. I don't often find people that know this music
[Brad_from_Georgia] I loved Kelly's playfulness with language in Pogo. It's akin to a Mr. Kitzel bit, really.
[Laura_Leff] Kay - You'll find an awful lot of people in the IJBFC that you wouldn't find elsewhere! :)
[Kay_Lhota] This is a good thing!
[Laura_Leff] I always say that "culture is dictated by the person at the top" (in companies).
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yes...otherwise we would spread...like a fungus. Bwahaha!
[Kay_Lhota] LOL Brad
[Steve_(shimp)] I think we have some kind of extra retroactive lobe in our brains ...
[Laura_Leff] I'm pretty eclectic myself, so I guess that's how we get this sort of strange group.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Steve-well, I got three kidneys, myself.
[Laura_Leff] Steve - See "Heavenly Creatures"
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Are you making a pie?
[Steve_(shimp)] I've seen Heavenly Creatures, but don't remember that!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - I'm one of the 10.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Nope, just got a spare. Showed up in an X-ray, and my doctor was bemused.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Kinda spooky...may be the last remnant of an unborn twin of mine....
[Laura_Leff] Brad - There are many comments that come to mind, none of which I'll share at the moment.
[Steve_(shimp)] So, I says, I said, kiddlies, diddle I?
[Laura_Leff] Ooooh what he said!
[Laura_Leff] Brad - I was born without tonsils. Handy.
[Steve_(shimp)] You know, Mike Amo's been here the whole chat but hasn't made a peep!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Because he's at a concert.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Peep up, Mike!
[Steve_(shimp)] Ah, nice that he's here in spirit though.
[Brad_from_Georgia] O well.
[Laura_Leff] He'll check the transcript later.
[Laura_Leff] Everyone say hi to Mike!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Hiya, Mike!
[Laura_Leff] Let's see if he reads down this far.
[Steve_(shimp)] Hi Mike.
[Kay_Lhota] Hi Mike
[Steve_(shimp)] So LL, any Jack news on the horizon?
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Kind of up to the Citizens' Stamp Advisory Committee, I suppose.
[Laura_Leff] But I'm working on a deal for the estate. Too unfinalized to discuss at the moment.
[Steve_(shimp)] They are doing those "forever" stamps, but they will start at 42 cents, alas.
[Steve_(shimp)] 42 forever just stinks!
[Laura_Leff] Steve - Yes, that's beyond irony for me personally, what with 39 Forever.
[Brad_from_Georgia] Yawn...late for me. I guess I'll turn in. We're going to the Georgia Aquarium tomorrow.
[Laura_Leff] Brad - Don't get wet.
[Kay_Lhota] goodnight Brad
[Brad_from_Georgia] Gotta get up early to catch them fishies...
[Laura_Leff] Take care, Brad!
[Brad_from_Georgia] Bye all!
[Steve_(shimp)] Bye Brad!
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[Laura_Leff] So do people want to keep talking, or should we call it good?
[Kay_Lhota] it's been good, Laura.
[Steve_(shimp)] I'll go with the consensus...
[Laura_Leff] I'm getting hungry, so I think I'd like to wrap.
[Kay_Lhota] I just let Frank know that I want to order Volume 2.
[Steve_(shimp)] Fun chat as always! I'll drop you a line LL. Night Kay!
[Laura_Leff] Kay - OK...I have lots of copies, so just let me know.
[Kay_Lhota] we will
[Laura_Leff] Talk with you soon, Steve!
[Kay_Lhota] goodnight Laura
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[Laura_Leff] Night Kay!
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[Laura_Leff] Good night Mike, wherever you are...