IJBFC Chat - January 8, 2006

(Name of message originator in <> brackets at the beginning of each line;  lines starting with > are originated by Laura Leff)

<Gulliver> Then welcome,.Pete!

<Alex Buck> glad to have you aboard Pete

<Steve "shimp"> Welcome, Pete!

<Maxwell> Hey LL!

<Steve "shimp"> It's LL!

<Maxwell> We were all just wondering where you were!

> Holy cow...full room!

<Gulliver> Oh, there she is

<Alex Buck> here she is folks

<Gulliver> All waiting for you.

<Maxwell> Hi peabody

<Steve "shimp"> Hi Peabody!

> Maxwell - I was where Dennis was during the Yosemite shows. ;)

<Alex Buck> we've got a new guy - Pete

<Maxwell> Ah...

<peabodyseven> hi everyone

<Pete> How is Laura tonight?

> Hey Pete, welcome in!

> Hi Peabody!

<Maxwell> Stay at your own risk! :-)

> Hi Oscar, Jay...some unfamiliar names here.

<Oscar Levant> 30 Nov 1958 episode

<peabodyseven> hi ll

> Barbara! Hope you're staying dry.

<Steve "shimp"> Barbara, were you hanging out with Phil again?

<Pete> I go back to Jack from the radio days

<Oscar Levant> "jack Goes to the Doctor":

<Barbara> No rain here since the parade, Laura.

> Unfamiliar in the sense that I haven't seen you in the chat previously.

> Oscar - yes, I love that episode. I'm a Levant fan.

<Gulliver> I imagine we're all eager to hear what's new with the stamp campaign.

<Barbara> Maybe you meant the other kind of dry, Laura, like Phil wasn't supposed to be.

> Barbara - Well, that's up to your discretion...

> Well, has everyone seen about the 39 Man March?

<Pete> Was Phil really a drunk or was it an act

<Maxwell> Yup. Wish I could be there.

> Pete - Well, thereby hangs a tale...

<Barbara> I think it was more of an act than anything.

<Steve "shimp"> My first in-person Benny event, I'll be at the 39 Man March!

<Barbara> How's the March coming, Laura?

<Steve "shimp"> I'll represent you Maxwel...l

<JBDarnell> the march sounds like a lot of fun...i used to lobby, so i wish i could be there...but alas

<peabodyseven> wish i could...too many responsibilities here...

<Alex Buck> weren't all of the characters supposed to be exagerations of themselves

<Gulliver> Me too.

<Maxwell> Thanks, Steve

<Pete> I have even got my 19 year old grand son intreasted in JB

<peabodyseven> be there in spirit though

<Barbara> Yes, even Don's weight was exaggerated some.

<Gulliver> That's great, Pete -- that's about the age I got turned on to OTR. 25 years ago!

> Alex - Very true. I talked with Phil about that.

<Oscar Levant> Phil will be there WITH spirits

<Alex Buck> LOL

<Pete> when did phil die

> The march is coming together...hopefully will be in the news soon.

<Barbara> Mary was pretty much in character all the time.

<Steve "shimp"> Hopefully the weather will hold, it's been a very nice winter so far in Virginia - mild as

heck!

> Steve - Amen to that. I've gone soft in California and don't feel like bundling up a lot for 2 1/2 hours

outside.

<Alex Buck> My sister called in and said it was 67F in central Missouri. Tain't right for January

> We have three appointments with congresspeople so far...bipartisan support.

<Steve "shimp"> Well, 'tis DC in February so you're rolling the dice?

<Steve "shimp"> Who are the congresscritters?

> Steve - Very much so. But it's the easiest place to do a "political" demonstration.

<peabodyseven> turner classics had a jack benny cartoon parody on yesterday...

[Sun Jan 08 17:10:17 GMT-08:00 2006] Maxwell: www.flyingsock.com

<Maxwell> I gotta get a new mouse.

> Steve - Representative Henry Waxman, Senator Diane Feinstein, and Representative Melissa Hart.

<Oscar Levant> Pete-Phil Harris died Aug 11, 1995

<peabodyseven> he was giving a party in his back yard.

<Barbara> They also had To Be...... on recently.

> peabody - Oh, Malibu Beach Party?

<Steve "shimp"> Interesting, you had Barbara Boxer on the site somewhere too, is she supporting?

<Pete> I wrote both senators and my congressman the only one that did not write back was J kerry

<peabodyseven> yes

> Pete - And I know for a fact that John Kerry is a Benny fan...he said so in an interview.

<Pete> The old sour puss

> Pete - What, if anything, did Kennedy say? His father was a giant fan, as well as JFK

<Alex Buck> hmm - I listened to Jack Benny before I turned him off?

<Pete> ted kennady must be he is that age

> Joe Kennedy used to make the whole house stop to listen to the Benny program, whether the kids

wanted to or not!

> Any other questions on the stamp campaign, or should we segue into the show for discussion?

<Maxwell> Let's segue.

> All the subscribers get their copies of "The Jack Benny Times"?

<Maxwell> Yes.

<Gulliver> I cannot tell a lie; I didn't get to hear the episode this time. :(

<Pete> He just acknowledged my letter and said he would take it under advisement

> OK...so who listened to the show for tonight?

<Maxwell> Pete: Form letter.

<Maxwell> I did.

<Alex Buck> My wife asked if we had heard this show before. I told her that it was one of two New

Years shows they tweaked each year. am I missing anything?

<Steve "shimp"> Yep, nice issue LL! Still have to correspond with you off-chat about my missing bound

volume tho...

> Pete - Got it. I know you're not the only one in Massachusetts asking.

<peabodyseven> did

<Barbara> The show was a forerunner of one that was done on TVin the 50's only it was longer on TV.

<Oscar Levant> I didn't listen, but I'm sure I've heard it before

> Steve - Yes, I gotta check that. I've been spending ridiculous amounts of time trying to finish 39

Forever Volume 2.

<Steve "shimp"> Great show, I actually like that Rochester DIDN'T stay home with mopey Jack on this

one.

<Steve "shimp"> No problem, LL, I'm a patient man!

> This show was redone on 1/1/50, but Jack had a date with "Gloria" then played by Sandra Gould.

> Steve - I very much appreciate that. You know I'll get to it!

<Barbara> There was a show where Roch did stay home with Jack on New Year's Eve. Remember that

one?

<Maxwell> He had a thing about the letter G...at least on New Year's Eve.

> Barbara - That was 1/1/50.

<Steve "shimp"> Sandra Gould was the chinless Gladys Kravitz on "Bewitched"

<Pete> I think one of my favourite acts was jack buying a Christmas preasent from Mel Blank and

having it gift wraped

> Once Jack had a date with a Josephine whom he also had found at Simon's Drive-In (like Gladys)...I

assume not the same Josephine that Rochester went out with.

<Barbara> He got good reviews on that one.

<Gulliver> I just recently heard the New Years' show where Dennis was Hitler and Tojo. Hilarious.

<Maxwell> It might have been the Josephine that Napoleon went out with.

> Gulliver - Ah, one of the war years.

<Barbara> Did Dennis play the Scotsman on this one?

<Steve "shimp"> Favorite anachronism in this one "I guess you guys are all going to go out and make

whoopee together, huh?"

> Alex - Jumping back to your question, you're probably thinking of New Tenant and this one.

<peabodyseven> wasn't there a show where he was the old year explainingto the new year what he

was going to have to face?

> Steve - Ah, changing language.

> peabody - Yes, that was the New Tenant skit. They did that a lot.

<Alex Buck> well Don was blushing early

> Alex - Strawberry, cherry, or raspberry?

<Alex Buck> The scotsman did sound like dennis

<Alex Buck> I liked dennis

<Alex Buck> I liked dennis's bit before he sang

<Barbara> Why pay an actor when Dennis could do it.

<Gulliver> I keep on being amazed by Dennis' gifts as a mimic. He was incredible.

> It's said in this episode that Jack gave Don a golf ball...years later in the classic Christmas shopping

shows, he buys Don golf tees.

<Maxwell> He got cheaper as he remained 39.

<Steve "shimp"> I actually liked Dennis' song in this one, I sometimes fast forward through. Seemed

like he was a little lower-key and less flowery in this one.

<Barbara> And Don said he didn't play golf.

> Gulliver - You oughta hear him on "What's My Line"

[Sun Jan 08 17:18:26 GMT-08:00 2006] Don Wilson:

> Hello Don!

<Pete> I just read the book Jack Benny done by Marry what a great tribute to a great man

<Steve "shimp"> This would have been early in Dennis' tenure, as well, right?

<Maxwell> Dennis sang one of my favorite Kern tunes.

<Alex Buck> only 19

> Pete - It's really written by Marcia Borie. Mary's contributions are her interviews.

> Steve - Yes, he started just about 3 months earlier.

<Pete> yes and Hilly Marks

> Maxwell - Amen...my favorite song.

<Pete> Marys brother

<Maxwell> Nice job singing it, too.

> Pete - Yes, his contributions are his interviews as well. And don't believe everything he says...lots of

errors.

[Sun Jan 08 17:19:57 GMT-08:00 2006] Jay Lamb:

> WB Jay

<Pete> really

<Maxwell> Jello again, Jay.

<peabodyseven> I always loved Dennis' Irish songs...they were so lovely to listen to.

<Gulliver> Amen, peabody.

<Steve "shimp"> Did Dennis gradually get more dialogue as the show progressed, did he start out more

in "Larry Stevens" mode w/o much comedic business?

<Alex Buck> LL - had a tid bit to run past you. I was talking to an older engineer about this and that

and he came up with the trivia item that Neil Simon wrote the Odd Couple with Jack Benny and

Groucho Marx

<Maxwell> I've always been a sucker for an Irish tenor, and Dennis is one of the best.

<Alex Buck> in mind as Felix and Oscar

<Jay Lamb> ISP Problems

<Barbara> It's interesting that Mary was invited to Ginger Rogers' party and Jack wasn't. In real life it

would have been the other way around.

> Steve - Well, really early on he had less than his mother. But it built up quickly.

<Alex Buck> had you ever heard that before?

<Gulliver> Larry Stevens was certainly being written as the same character ...

<Pete> From my understanding Dennis was hired green to replace kenny Baker

> Alex - I think he's confused. There was an adaptation of the play done with Groucho as Oscar and

Jack as Felix. Eddie Carroll played Jack.

<Steve "shimp"> LL, that's the way I figured it, once you recognize a good thing and all...

> Alex - Once in a while a commemorative glass from it will come up on Ebay

<Gulliver> Or maybe the engineer was thinking of "The Sunshine Boys," intended as a vehicle for Jack.

<Alex Buck> Well that would have been something to see

> Gulliver - Not really. Larry didn't have much of any character, usually had enough lines in a show to

count on your fingers. Sometimes the fingers of one hand.

<peabodyseven> I met Larry Stevens the year before he died at a Friends of Old Time Radio Convention

in Newark... what a sweet man he was and BIG!!!

> Pete - Right. He'd been on the radio before, but not in a role.

> peaboy - Gee, I didn't know tenors were big.

<peabodyseven> He was tall.

<Barbara> They did not intend to develop Larry's character I believe.

> OK, gang, trivia question!

> Barbara - Right...he was mainly sitting time for Dennis.

> Time for a trivia question...

<Maxwell> Here's one I won't know....

<Barbara> Okay, what is it?

<Steve "shimp"> we're waitin'!

<Oscar Levant> Zzzzzzzzz

<Pete> Who did Jack use while Dennis was away in the Navy during ww2?

> When Jack buys Don golf tees, what is the decision he contemplates? (e.g., plastic tips or metal

tips...but that was for shoelaces)

<Barbara> That's a tough one.

<Gulliver> Wood or plastic

> Petet - That was Larry Stevens

> Gulliver - You're very close.

<Gulliver> I remember it ws something like that ...

<Maxwell> Wood or metal

> Maxwell - getting colder

<Barbara> Metal or plastic?

<Maxwell> Darn.

<Maxwell> See I said I wouldn't know!

<Steve "shimp"> I was in the asylum with Mel that year...

> You're very close, so I'll just give it to you.

<Gulliver> (Didn't even know there was such a thing as a metal golf tee)

> Wood or celluloid

<Maxwell> Celluloid is a type of plastic.

<Barbara> What's celluloid?

<Maxwell> <---Chemistry teacher.

<Gulliver> GOtta agree with Maxwell. But still.

> Maxwell - Yes, that's why I said Gulliver was very close.

<Pete> he used that same act in differant rolls like the gopher trap etc

<Gulliver> Excellent variations on the gag over the years.

> They just say "celluloid" instead of plastic on the show, so I'm being anal retentive.

<Maxwell> Celluloid is a plastic made from cellulose....

<Pete> On TV mel blank took a gun and went in the back room and BANG

> Pete - I wonder if it had blancs in it

<Gulliver> Ouch!

<Oscar Levant> I thought celluloid was made of plant material and plastic from petroleum

<Maxwell> They used to make stiff shirt collars and cuffs from it...and false shirt fronts (celluloid

dickies).

<Pete> who knows

<Barbara> I wonder why they didn't just say plastic.

[Sun Jan 08 17:26:45 GMT-08:00 2006] steve rodrigues: sacramento jack benny fan!

<JBDarnell> has anyone seen "walk the line", there's a jack reference in it

<Gulliver> And of course, early film stock. The stuff that melts.

> Hey Steve! How you doing?

<Maxwell> There weren't too many plastics around in the '40s.

<Steve "shimp"> Still here!

<Pete> Lets not forget Frank Nelaon

> JB - Yes, heard about that.

<Maxwell> Another Steve, Steve.

<Pete> Nelson

<Steve "shimp"> Oh, hey other Steve!

<steve rodrigues> I'm great, first time in on the chat!

<Maxwell> YEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

<JBDarnell> yeah, cash's father mentions that the house isn't as big as jack benny's

> Hey folks, Steve Rodrigues is a great guy who's up in my area. Make him feel welcome!

<Gulliver> Welcome Steve!!!

<Barbara> Welcome Steve!

<JBDarnell> hi steve

<Maxwell> Not a cold shoulder in the group. Welcome Steve!

<Oscar Levant> Mine's sore though

> J'ever notice that for a while, Frank Nelson's lead line is "How do you do?" instead of

"YEEEEEESSSSS?"

<steve rodrigues> hi every body, i'm steve rodrigue's daughter here with my dad, i love Jack Benny too!

> Oscar - So's mine...tough yoga class on Friday.

> Hey there, Steve Rodrigues' daughter!

<Steve "shimp"> Hiya Steve's daughter!

<Pete> was that Frank that use to play the IRS agent?

<Maxwell> Hey Steve's daughter here with her dad.

<Gulliver> Los Dos Rodrigues.

<steve rodrigues> lol

> Pete - There were two of them...reaching from memory, I think they were Joe Kearns and Mel Blanc.

But I'd have to look it up.

> Si

<Maxwell> Sy

<steve rodrigues> so and sue...

> Gulliver - Sounds like the hotels Jack stayed in at Palm Springs

<Oscar Levant> souix

<Gulliver> LOL!

<Maxwell> Or Sioux

> So Sioux Me

<Maxwell> Sew

[Sun Jan 08 17:30:06 GMT-08:00 2006] BCH: Jack benny fan

> Oh hee-yikes...the whole room breaks into the Si-Sy routine...

<Gulliver> This could go on forever.

> Hey there BCH!

[Sun Jan 08 17:30:23 GMT-08:00 2006] Jay:

<Maxwell> Hey BCH

<steve rodrigues> congrats Laura on becoming a representative of the estate! I just read it in the latest

issue

<JBDarnell> hi bch

<Maxwell> Hey Jay

<Pete> Si

<Gulliver> And Jay!

<BCH> hi

<JBDarnell> hey jay

<Jay> This is not my night to chat apparently

> Jay - Are you the same as Jay Lamb?

<Jay> Yes I am, I got kicked off again

<Maxwell> Ouch

> Back to the show for tonight, I note that EVERYONE'S favorite, Andy Devine, is on it.

<Maxwell> Well, I like Andy Devine.

<Gulliver> Hiya Buck!

> Note the tone of irony of that statement.

<Maxwell> I'm the one!

<Pete> He was the mayor of what city?

<Steve "shimp"> Andy would be all right if he just got the fingernails and the blackboard out of his

larynx.

> Maxwell - Well, you're the two. I like him too.

<BCH> Andy Devine?

<steve rodrigues> what was the decision behind adding him to the show, Laura?

> pete - Van Nuys

<Barbara> George Balzer says that Andy Devine got him the writing job.

> Steve - Well, he came in as a supporting character on the Buck Benny series.

<Jay> I always loved the shos that Andy appeared on

<Maxwell> Laura, you haven't lived until you've seen the John Wayne movie Island in the Sky...Andy in

swimming trunks.

> Barbara - Sure did.

<Gulliver> I like Andy too. In small doses.

> Maxwell - Oh.......gee....

<BCH> Andy is Devine .

<steve rodrigues> he was also in the buck benny rides again movie, I believe

<Barbara> He's usually on for just a short time.

<Oscar Levant> I'd rather watch Pat Buttram

<JBDarnell> andy in swimming trunks? now that is a dream come true ;)

> Gulliver - I somehow combined your comment and Maxwell's and thought you said "I like Andy too. In

small dresses."

<Maxwell> My earliest memory of him is as Jingles in Wild Bill Hickock with Guy Madison.

<JBDarnell> lol...that too

<steve rodrigues> lets skirt that issue...

<Pete> Andy Devine played many parts in western movies the last one I remember was the sherrif in

The Man who shot Liberty Vallance

<Maxwell> JB...it's tough to take.

<Gulliver> Just saw "How the West Was Won" again recently and enjoyed Andy's small bit in that film.

> Don't slip

<Oscar Levant> Next he'll tell us he was pictures of Walter Brennan like the guy in "Good Morning

Vietnam"

<Oscar Levant> was=has

<Jay> Speaking of Buck Benny Rides Again, am I the only one here who has never seen that Movie?

<Maxwell> Yup.

<Alex Buck> andy was in Mad Mad World too

> Jay - Ah, you don't know what you're missing. That's a very fun movie.

<Pete> Yep

<Alex Buck> but then again, wasn

<Gulliver> Nope, I've never been able to catch it.

<Alex Buck> teveryone?

<steve rodrigues> Ive seen it. a pretty bad copy, but enjoyed it

<Maxwell> I haven't seen it in a few years, but it's a fun movie.

<Pete> Has everyone seen meanest man in the world?

> Steve - Then you should get a nice clean copy out of the video library. ;)

<steve rodrigues> good idea!

> Once I fix this problem with my DVD burning software...*grumble*

<Alex Buck> Say, the meanest man in the world isn't in the video library is it?

> pete - It's been a long time, but I've seen it

<Maxwell> My project this summer is to get some audio and video from the library. (Hoping I have time

to listen to it.)

<steve rodrigues> I did get a wonderful copy of to be or not to be from amc a few months back

<Alex Buck> Jack actually gets tested by Rochester to steal candy from a baby

> Alex - Well, confession time, I think I've got a copy that's been donated, but I've been too busy to

process new additions to the video library.

<Jay> I have not seen Meanest Man in the world either.

<Pete> It was funny because Jack just couldn't be mean

> OK, new trivia question...easier this time...

<Maxwell> Nor have I.

<Dennis Day> hi everyone, kinda' late

<Maxwell> I hope so!

> Who is Jack's costar in "Meanest Man"?

<Barbara> I wasn't crazy about Charlie's Aunt. Too much of Jack running around in a dress.

> Hey there Dennis

<Alex Buck> rochester

<steve rodrigues> Hi Dennis!

<Maxwell> Hey Dennis!

<Dennis Day> first time here

> Alex - Well, I meant female costar

<steve rodrigues> hmmm

<Barbara> I know it, but I can't think of her name.

<Alex Buck> the same one that was in Arsenic and Old lace

> Barbara - It's not in my top 5 Benny movies either

> Alex - Correct...and her name was?

<Dennis Day> talking about benny movies?

<Alex Buck> Priscila Lane?

> ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

<Barbara> Yes.

<Pete> George washington slept here was one of my favourites

> Barbara - It's a part that just doesn't make the most of Jack's abilities.

<Gulliver> Has any/everyone here heard the Lux Radio Theatre version of "Brewster's Millions" with

Jack?

<Alex Buck> Arsenic was one of my favorites

<Dennis Day> yup

> Gulliver - I have

<Maxwell> Yeah, I heard it a year or two ago.

<Dennis Day> from the 30s

<Barbara> You're right, Laura, and he was too old for the part tho he looked good.

<Gulliver> I thought it was very very funny.

<Maxwell> (Or maybe more...at my age things run together.)

> Alex - It's too bad Jack never did a take-off on it...not enough women in the cast

<JBDarnell> there's been talk on the forum of jack as sheridan whiteside in the man who came to

dinner...has anyone heard that?

<Alex Buck> The old man was the same one that played Santa Claus in Miracle on 39th Street

<Maxwell> Yeah, I heard it on a local radio show a month or two ago.

> Barbara - Well, he is supposed to be an old aunt (from Brazil, where the NUTS come from!), but he's

also supposed to be a college student. So go figure.

<Jay> Edmund Gywnn

<JBDarnell> what did you think of it maxwell?

<Maxwell> Gwenn.

<Maxwell> I liked it.

<Maxwell> He was better than I expected.

<JBDarnell> its one of my favorite shows...jack is an intriguing casting choice

<Maxwell> I thought so, too.

[Sun Jan 08 17:39:34 GMT-08:00 2006] chuck:

> So what else about tonight's show?

<Maxwell> Hi chuck

> Hello, chuck!

<Steve "shimp"> Hi Chuck

<JBDarnell> hey chuck

> Not Schaden by chance, are you?

<steve rodrigues> hi chick!!

> Steve - That's CHUCK! :)

<steve rodrigues> make that chuck, chick...:)

<Steve "shimp"> The "Gone With the Wind" reference took me out of the show - normally the Benny

show is so modern, but that ref made me think "hey, that was NEW then!

<Steve "shimp"> Someone chucked chuck!

<Alex Buck> I thought the confederate money was a nice gag

> I had to laugh that Benny Rubin plays the proprietor of Ginsberg's in the show for tonight, and a

Greek in the 1950 episode

<Maxwell> Hmmm...Maybe we blew his cover.

> Ohhh...I skeered him...

<Alex Buck> what's up with chuck?

> Maxwell - Yeah...oops.

<Oscar Levant> Maybe you made him upchuck

<Steve "shimp"> Alex, I've actually sent people repro confederate money in cards as "gifts" - it's a

Virginia/Jack Benny kinda thing to do.

> Oscar - *snicker snicker*

<Maxwell> Chuck Schaden runs an OTR show on a suburban FM station here.

<Pete> Laura I chatted with you at length on Aol about a year ago and it was so nice to chat with

someone that knew the shows and loved Jack

<Steve "shimp"> Hit kind of close to home!

<Maxwell> Been doing it for 35 years.

> Pete - Ah very good! I'm glad you were inspired to stick with us!

<Maxwell> It was his show I heard Brewster's Millions on...and he gave a plug to the 39 Man March on

the air.

> Pete - We've got a great group of people. Very friendly and knowledgeable.

> Maxwell - He did? How cool!

[Sun Jan 08 17:42:41 GMT-08:00 2006] Holly:

<Pete> yes I can see that

<Alex Buck> Everyone I've talked to about the stamp said it makes perfect sense

<Maxwell> I'm sorry...the stamp ampaign, not the march.

<Maxwell> or campaign.

<Maxwell> Hi Holly

<Holly> hi

<Steve "shimp"> Hi Holly.

<steve rodrigues> I think I can get you some air mentions or an interview here in sacramento, Laura.

Make sure to contact me about it :)

<Barbara> Jack was thrilled that his part in To Be or Not to Be was written for him.

> I hear that I was on "America in the Morning", Jim Bohannon's show on Thursday or Friday.

> Hi Holly!

<steve rodrigues> howdy Holly!

> Alex - I hope the stamp committee feels the same way.

<Gulliver> Laura, is the no-repeats-within-50-years thing really going to be a problem?

<Pete> The only question on stamps is how long stamps will stay at 39 cents

> Steve - Will definitely do.

<Barbara> Hi Holly!

[Sun Jan 08 17:43:42 GMT-08:00 2006] Sammy: sjones69@bellsouth.net

<Alex Buck> Any idea of the average age of the stamp committee members?

<Steve "shimp"> So, LL, is there anything new official with the estate coming down the pike - I mean,

besides you writing a couple of books and lobbying Washington and all that...how bout your other

job?

> Gulliver - No, it shouldn't be. Here's why...

<Maxwell> With the exceptions that have been made, it really shouldn't be.

<Oscar Levant> Sammy the Drummer's here

> Judy Garland - On a stamp 1990, on a stamp 2006.

> John Wayne - On a stamp 1990, on a stamp 2005.

<steve rodrigues> yes, any chance as a rep of the estate we can finally get the old kinescopes

released?

> Jack Benny - On a stamp 1991, on a stamp...?

<Gulliver> Gotcha. So should we mention Judy Garland in all our letters?

<Maxwell> 2007!

> Steve - Workin' on it. Had a conference call just a couple days ago about that.

> Gulliver - You certainly can if you want.

<steve rodrigues> wonderful! Count me in to help in any way I can.
<Maxwell> Hmmm...scared Holly, too.
<Gulliver> Well, he have to hurry. Jack's not getting any younger. :)
<Laura Leff> Steve - Will do. Got my fingers crossed.
<Maxwell> Of course, he's not getting any older either!
<steve rodrigues> we seem to have that effect on people....
<Barbara> Have you had any input from Joan on the stamp, Laura?
<Laura Leff> Hey gang, hold up a second...want to make a
business-like announcement...
<Alex Buck> hadn't talked to holly n daise
<Maxwell> Welcome back Holly!
<Laura Leff> We haven't had trouble in a while with this, but just in case...
<Holly> sorry I'm new to this chat
<Maxwell> Ah...how to ignore...I sense it.
<Laura Leff> If anyone comes on as a troll and trying to create
problems (talking off-topic or about offensive
things)
<Barbara> Oh oh
<Steve "shimp"> Like Fred Allen
<Laura Leff> You can go to People - Ignore to not see their messages.
<Oscar Levant> Hey
<Maxwell> Lost John has been found.
<Gulliver> Welcome Holly! WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.
<Laura Leff> WB Holly, hello Lost John
<steve rodrigues> good advice, thanks Laura
<Lost John> Nah, more fun being lost
<Lost John> aloha
<Barbara> What's a troll?
<Pete> I once had a tape of the famous Benny Allen fued
<steve rodrigues> I think we'd all be in trouble if we lost the john...
<Steve "shimp"> Someone who lives in lower Michigan, right Laura?
<Holly> Okay, I was getting a little nervous. I have never been here
and got my email and decided to check it
<Holly> out
<Laura Leff> Just with the number of people popping on and off
quickly, you never know if anyone's out to
cause trouble. Better safe than sorry.
<Maxwell> They live under the troll bridge.
<Lost John> Watch it Steve, I am a member of the SPPCBRJ
<Laura Leff> Oh, can someone send me the last two screenpages or so?
<steve rodrigues> i'm glad ur back Holly, we thought we scared u away
like we did Chuck....(i'm steve's daughter)
<Barbara> Like in the 3 Billy Goats?
<Laura Leff> I lost it after my comment to Gulliver of "You certain
can if you want."
<Steve "shimp"> I can't even pronounce that, Lost John!
<steve rodrigues> english please lost john?
<Alex Buck> Gotta go. Catch you all next time.
<Steve "shimp"> Is that related to Mr. Gropfff?
<Laura Leff> Take care, Alex!

(loss due to screen refresh)

<Holly> out

> Just with the number of people popping on and off quickly, you never know if anyone's out to cause

trouble. Better safe than sorry.

<Maxwell> They live under the troll bridge.

<Lost John> Watch it Steve, I am a member of the SPPCBRJ

> Oh, can someone send me the last two screenpages or so?

<steve rodrigues> i'm glad ur back Holly, we thought we scared u away like we did Chuck....(i'm steve's

daughter)

<Barbara> Like in the 3 Billy Goats?

> I lost it after my comment to Gulliver of "You certain can if you want."

<Steve "shimp"> I can't even pronounce that, Lost John!

<steve rodrigues> english please lost john?

<Alex Buck> Gotta go. Catch you all next time.

<Steve "shimp"> Is that related to Mr. Gropfff?

> Take care, Alex!

<Holly> This is the place to talk about Jack Benny right?

<Steve "shimp"> Bye Alex!

> Or Herman Mdexfluxj

<steve rodrigues> whos got a kleenex!

<Lost John> it's an acronym for Society for the Prevention of People Calling Bath Rooms Johns.

[Sun Jan 08 17:48:52 GMT-08:00 2006] The Donald: OTR Fan

<steve rodrigues> yeah, it is Holly

<Oscar Levant> Yes Holly, they're off topic right now

<steve rodrigues> lol

> Holly - Sure is...what's on your might?

> OK folks...back on topic.

<Pete> OK

> What else for the show for discussion?

<Lost John> me, three

<Holly> cool I have loved Jack Benny since I was a little girl. My dad used to make my brothers and I

listen to the radio show on tapes

> Welcome The Donald

<Steve "shimp"> Well, I thought it was great Rochester went to his darned party and he should have

dragged Jack with him.

<Gulliver> LL, I just emailed those screenpages to you.

<steve rodrigues> welcome Donald

> Holly - Sounds like some sort of punishment. :)

<Maxwell> hI tHE

<The Donald> hi laura & everyone

<The Donald> first time here

<Maxwell> Or Hi The

<Barbara> It's hard to believe that Jack would leave his show in progress to go on a date.

<Oscar Levant> If it was good enough punishment for the Kennedy kids, it's good enough for Holly

<Pete> When I was a young boy we got a TV set in 1953 but I use to sneak away to listen to Jack

Benny also Amos and Andy

> Hey folks...guess who played the drunk and Joe the cab driver on tonight's show.

<Holly> If it was punishment it backfired!

<Lost John> mel blanc

> Oscar - I hear that.

<Barbara> Bert Scott?

> Barbara - Nope. This is too early for Bert.

> Lost John - Nope.

<Barbara> One of the writers.

<Gulliver> Dennis?

> Barbara - nope

<Steve "shimp"> Too early for Mel, too...

> Gulliver - Nope

<Maxwell> I can't remember the voice even.

> give up?

<Steve "shimp"> Yeah, I'm not remembering the voice either.

<steve rodrigues> that guy that always played a drunk...later with dean martin?

<Maxwell> Yeah.

> Steve - Not as far as I know.

<Pete> who played Mr Kitschell not sure of spelling

<Oscar Levant> Crazy gugenheim

> It was......................*drumroll*...............

<steve rodrigues> yeah!

> Pete/Oscare - Nope

> Eddie Marr. Same guy who did the original "Your money or your life"

<Gulliver> Wow.

<Maxwell> D'oh!

<steve rodrigues> oh cool!

<Steve "shimp"> Aha.

> He was with Jack a long, long, LONG time.

> Pete - Kitzel

<steve rodrigues> lol..."i'm thinking it over!"

> Pete - Kitzel is Yiddish for "to tickle"

<Holly> I loved Mr. Kitzel

<Gulliver> Peekle in the meedle!

> And the mustard on top

<Lost John> I watched Jack Benny a long, long, LONG time. All of my 39 years.

<Steve "shimp"> hoo hooo hoo hooo! Me too!

<The Donald> artie aurbach

<Pete> OH I know he had a strong Yiddish accent

<steve rodrigues> even my daughter knows mr kitzel "mit da mustard on top"

<Gulliver> Steve, that's because she's being raised intelligently. :)

> Steve - You ever heard the Capitol record of it?

<Maxwell> I can remember my parents singing that when I was a kid.

<Holly> Kids are getting a taste of Jack Benny without even knowing it these days

<Pete> pickle in da middle and the mustard on top

<Steve "shimp"> I was suprised they brought back "Schlepperman" for a TV show or two after Artie

Auerbach died.

<steve rodrigues> no, do you have it?

> Holly - Yeah, on things like The Simpsons.

<Holly> No, Jack's Big Music Show

<Gulliver> DId you ever see the M*A

> Steve - Wow! I'll have to find those. I know Sam Hearn would still do his Rube thing.

<Gulliver> The MASH where Gary Burghoff does Jack?

<Gulliver> PRetty good too.

> Holly - Is that the kids show that has the Schwartzman Quartet?

<Steve "shimp"> The Jayne Mansfield Hawaii boat trip show is one.

<Holly> that's the one

> Holly - Yeah, a member told me about that. Wow!

> Steve - Oh, I just haven't seen that in so many years that I didn't know who Schlepperman was at the

time.

<steve rodrigues> The simpsons has also had several appearances from frank nelson's character!

> On the Forum, someone mentioned that Phil Hartman had done a character there that was based on

Jack.

<Holly> I thought it was a weird coincidence so I emailed the makers of the show. It was cool

<Steve "shimp"> Probably because they reused the Kitzel script with Marilyn Monroe from '53 or

whenever.

> Holly - If you find out any more about that, let me know!

> Steve - Excellent point. They did that a lot.

<Holly> I have the email from the company and their answer.

> I found Jack getting a singing telegram for his birthday in 1948 (I think), and it was exactly the same

as they did in 1940, and even had the exact same singers (Blanche Stewart and the Sportsmen)

<Pete> How accurate was the book Saturday nights at eight

> Holly - Which was....?

> Pete - Pretty doggone bad if that was the title... ;)

<Holly> Thanks for writing and we're thrilled that you are a Jack Benny fan also!

<Maxwell> Much less than Sunday Nights at Seven.

<Pete> done by Joan

<Barbara> It was 7:00, Pete. I thought it was more accurate than Mary's so-called book.

<steve rodrigues> lol...

> Holly - That's great! You ought to tell them about jackbenny.org if they don't know it already.

<Pete> maybe it was 7 I don't remember

> Pete - It was Sunday Nights at Seven.

<Maxwell> 6:00 Central

<The Donald> just finished reading tha a few months ago

<Barbara> That was his time on Sunday for life.

<The Donald> great book

<Maxwell> And a half hour later on TV.

<Oscar Levant> Maybe Pete's on Mountain Time

> Pete - Well, it's not bad. You can't always rely on the accuracy of Jack's memories, and he says

some stuff which I know is wrong. But...

<Pete> Joan was kind of hard on Mary

<steve rodrigues> I loved it, I ve read every book about benny done in the last 20 or so year, including

Irving Fiens...

<steve rodrigues> Feins...

<The Donald> i noticed that as well

> Jack talks a lot about how he felt about this and that, and that's the only place you can get that right

from him.

<Holly> I loved that book. I did my senior paper on it

> Pete - She was, but it's honest. She told me that was the hardest chapter for her to write.

<steve rodrigues> It was great to get Joan's point of view too

<Barbara> It would be nice if Jack had written his own autobio.

<Pete> Was Mary as bad as she made her out to be?

<Steve "shimp"> I agree - Joan's out to understand Mary - she says she loved her but was confused by

her problems.

> Barbara - Well, that's pretty close to it.

<Holly> I wrote to Joan about it sheesh maybe 15 years ago and got a letter back from her. I thought

she was sweet

> Pete - Well, it's hard to gauge whether someone is "bad" or not.

<steve rodrigues> *Deven* in 3rd grade i used it as a resource for my report on him

> Joan's a good egg. I appreciate very much all she's done for the club and me over time.

<Pete> Its like Churchill said of his mother (I loved her dearly but from a distance)

> Pete - A lot of people have a lot of negative things to say about Mary. Even within the family.

<Steve "shimp"> Not a whole lot of people liked Mary a whole lot ('cept Jack) - but that shouldn't tarnish

her estimation as a performer.

> But I've also talked with the florist who delivered her a rose every day for the rest of her life, and he

loved Mary.

<Pete> All I can say is Jack loved her

<Barbara> Jack loved her and that's what counts, but it's hard to know why he did. Joan thought she

may have had a hex on him.

<Steve "shimp"> It's probably the hardest thing to love someone who has so many personality issues

> And Mary had a few friends...Barbara Stanwyck, Claudette Colbert.

<Gulliver> I keep listening to the shows trying to figure out when Mary's live and when she's

<Gulliver> Memorex

<steve rodrigues> its strange how she started out performing with jack and got more afriad over the

years...

<Steve "shimp"> Hey, I've got a new crazy theory on the Mary "dubs".

> Gulliver - I'm working on that. There seem to be darn few when she's Memorex, but ask me again in a

month.

<Maxwell> People are pretty complex...different people see different facets of their character.

<Pete> Laura do you know when our Feb CHAT WILL BE?

<steve rodrigues> *afraid*

> Steve - Yeah, let's hear it?

> Pete - Should be the first Sunday in the month.

<Steve "shimp"> Have you noticed that a lot of those later shows, Mary appears mainly near the start -

<Steve "shimp"> and often in dialog with Jack?

> January moved because of the holiday and my Yesterday USA marathon.

<Gulliver> I'm assuming you'll index them in Vol. 2. :)

<Holly> I have to go now. Thanks for the chat!

<steve rodrigues> bibi!

<The Donald> read about the rose thing, kinda' nice

<Maxwell> So long Holly

<Steve "shimp"> I was wondering if instead of just Mary looping, she and Jack would re-record bits

together that preserve some of the spontaneity/interaction

> Take care, Holly!

<Barbara> Didn't he also leave Mary little gifts when he was away?

<Steve "shimp"> Bye Holly!

> Steve - No, it was George Balzer or Hickey throwing her the lines.

<Lost John> adios holly

<Pete> tHANKS lAURA i NEED TO MARK IT LEST i FORGET

<Gulliver> I'm off too -- gotta get the kid to bed. Eat your Grape Nuts, everybody!

> Gulliver - Sure will

<Pete> Darn those cap locks

<steve rodrigues> so long!

<Maxwell> Every monring, Gulliver.

> Pete - No problem. I assume you're on our E-mail list, right?

<Maxwell> So long!

> Have fun, Gulliver!~

<Lost John> guten nacht

<Pete> I am

<steve rodrigues> I dont know why I say jello...you say goodbye....

> Pete - OK, I should send out a reminder

<Steve "shimp"> Hmm. I'll have to listen to a couple of the shows where I think that might be happening

and think about it some more.

<Barbara> I have to leave too, but happy new year to all!

<steve rodrigues> bi!

<Pete> If I change E mail how do I do it

<Steve "shimp"> Bye Barbara, happy new year!

> Have a good dinner, Barbara!

<Oscar Levant> Adios

<Maxwell> So long Barbara

<Lost John> farethewell

> Pete - Just E-mail me what the change is.

<Pete> ok

> Ah, it's the top of the hour peel off.

<Steve "shimp"> Somethin' good must be on TV!

<Oscar Levant> Must be some show coming on TV

<Oscar Levant> Football game's over

<Maxwell> CSI Butte.

<steve rodrigues> not unless Jack's on!

<Pete> Thanks for a great hour everyone

<Oscar Levant> CSI Cucamunga

<Steve "shimp"> LOL Maxwell. CSI: Waukegan!

> Take care, Pete!

<steve rodrigues> CSI pete!

<Maxwell> So long Pete

> Steve - Har har har

<Pete> you too

<Pete> see you next month

<Steve "shimp"> There's been a body found at Jack Benny junior high, covered in Jell-O!

> So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's mind?

<steve rodrigues> umm...

> Steve - Probably the former vice principal. But I won't go there.

<Maxwell> Benny wise, pound foolish.

<steve rodrigues> was he a jerk of all trades?

<Steve "shimp"> 39 Cent stamps pasted around him in a chalk outline....

> Let's see...we were talking about Mary.

> Steve - Her, actually...

<steve rodrigues> LOL!

<Steve "shimp"> Ah, even MORE intrigue!

<Maxwell> The stuff about her got me thinking of the interview I saw last night with Alan Alda...his

mother was schizophrenic...

> But they've had a schoolwide campaign to have the kids write letters supporting the Benny stamp.

> So they're OK in my book.

<Pete> I think Mary was great on the radio but she didn't like TV

<steve rodrigues> Theres more about Mary in George Burns book Gracie a love story, interesting stuff

> Pete - Well, by that time Mary's nerves were very bad.

> Steve - Indeed.

> Mary would only appear on filmed shows without a studio audience.

<Maxwell> He resented her until he saw a photo of him that she kept in a safe deposit box that said

"My beloved son."

<Maxwell> Kids don't always have the best perspective on parents.

<Steve "shimp"> I think a lot of people miss that Gracie & co were still really protective of Mary in a lot

of ways.

> I notice that in the radio shows, and I wish Barbara was here to counter me on this, but that when

Mary fluffed a line from about 1948 on, Jack would be very hard on her.

<steve rodrigues> I interviewd Irving Fein back in the 80s, and he said he never enjoyed much personal

time with Mary, but loved going on trips with jack

<Pete> when did mary die?

> Steve - Oh, the Irving and Mary thing is very complicated.

> Very, VERY complicated.

<The Donald> 82 i believe

> Pete - June 30, 1983

<steve rodrigues> I felt there was a lot of friction there that he didnt feel comfortable talking about at the

time

<Steve "shimp"> Hey, LL - you said you saw Irving Fein at the Angels with Angles thing - how is he?

<Pete> Jack was dec 26 1974?

> Steve - Oh, he's doing well. He's stopped playing tennis every day, but he's still very up and around.

<steve rodrigues> yes, how is his health?

> Pete - Right.

<Steve "shimp"> Good to hear.

> Steve - I believe they said he has some sciatica, but heck, he's quite up in years now.

> He noted to me that he, George Balzer, and Al Gordon are the only ones left from the original show.

> But Jeanette Eyemann is still around, too.

<steve rodrigues> I met him in the 80s when he was managing george burns at George's coming out of

retirement shows at ceasers

> Steve - Irving has become very adept at ducking the Mary Issue.

> Both Steves - Sorry that I'm calling you the same name...

<Steve "shimp"> Call me Ishmael.

<steve rodrigues> we make a game of spotting jeanette eyeman in bit roles on the tv series

<Steve "shimp"> Just kidding.

> Steve - And she's on tons of radio bit roles as well.

<Maxwell> Just don't call either of them late for dinner.

> Hey, you're a CAB!

> He says "Hey you!"

> I says "Who"

> He says "You!"

<Steve "shimp"> The Mary issue is kind of interesting gossip, but since I never met her, never had to

deal with her - I just can love her on the show.

> I says "Me?"

> He says "YAH!"

[Sun Jan 08 18:13:32 GMT-08:00 2006] billpowers:

<Maxwell> Hello bill.

> Ishmael - I hear you. And it's a dicey issue for me because I'm not really looking to dig dirt or diss

anyone.

> Hey thereBill!

<steve rodrigues> *Deven* know she was a script girl in the episode where jimmy stewart was trying to

shoot the movie....who else has spotted her?

<billpowers> hi max and laura

<Lost John> Well, have fun, all, been very interesting. I'll be back

<Steve "shimp"> LOL, Mary died not too long after the founding of the IJBFC - did you ever talk to her?

<Maxwell> So long Found John

> Steve - She's the autograph seeker in the TV show where Jack has dinner with the Stewarts

<Pete> anyway Joan always said Jack was a big pussey cat

> Please do, John. Thanks for stopping!

<steve rodrigues> oh yeah.....

<steve rodrigues> "hey, he wrote help!" LOL

> Steve - No, but I have one letter from her. Which seems to have been quite a coup seeing how many

unresponded fan letters there were in her files.

> Steve - That's her.

> She also appears as herself in the show where Jack has an allergy.

<steve rodrigues> what did she say?

> Steve - She has several lines...can't remember a specific one.

> Hey, name that context: "This is for George, Sam, Milt, Tack, and all the fellows down in Hickey's

bar...and happy birthday to Jeanette"

<Steve "shimp"> Phil downs his first bottle of imported tequila?

> Steve - LOL...no!

<steve rodrigues> no, what did Mary say in her letter?

> SR - Not much, just that my interest in Jack was very sweet.

> (That line was a Frank Nelson line when he was playing a dentist and spinning Jack's pivot tooth

because he used to be a DJ"

<steve rodrigues> still, that's a lot to get out of Mary from what I read...

<Steve "shimp"> Oh, yeah, I remember that one now!

> SR - Exactly. I think it was only because I was going through Fred deCordova, who ultimately

delivered her eulogy.

<steve rodrigues> I should have remembered that one, especially with the DJ reference

> It was strange...somehow even some junk mail, like Carol Wright coupons, were in her files.

<Pete> is that the one when you hear ding ding on the tooth FN says does that hurt benny yes FN

gooooooood

> SR - Yeah! What's wrong with you? :)

> Pete - I don't remember that line from that particular one, but it's possible. They did so many Jack -

Frank Nelson as various medical practicioner shows.

<Oscar Levant> Sounds like the stuff Andy Warhol just boxed up for people to go through later

<Steve "shimp"> Wait, wait...JACK didn't have coupons in HIS files LOL?

> Steve - No, MARY did! They were from circa 80s.

<Maxwell> He'd used them all.

<steve rodrigues> Well, "we're a little late folks"...meaning I need to cook dinner for the family! Enjoyed

it very much! *Deven talking* yeah, it was nice chatting with other JB lovers, "good night folks, I'll be

<steve rodrigues> seeing you soon!"

<steve rodrigues> BI!

<Maxwell> So long Steve and Deven

> Hey SR - hope you didn't take my teasing too seriously.

<Steve "shimp"> Bye other Steve~

> Great to have you here Steve and Deven.

<steve rodrigues> well!

> Hope to see you again.

<Pete> does any one remember FN as the warden as Jack goes to the electric chair

> Pete - Oh yes, that was done a couple times. "I Stand Condemned"

<Steve "shimp"> With Boris Karloff one time...

> And Peter Lorre another

<Steve "shimp"> What a nightmare to have Frank Nelson pull the switch on you...!

<Steve "shimp"> The ultimate adding insult to injury.

<Oscar Levant> Yesssssss

<Pete> benny says I cant wark that last few steps FN says oh we bring the electric chair into you we

have a long coard you know

> I Stand Condemned...it's about a man with a beautiful wife and four children...George, Sam, Milt, and

Tack.

<Maxwell> You just hope the last words you hear aren't, "OOOOOOO, Goody!"

> Would having Veola Vonn pull the switch on you be preferrable?

<Steve "shimp"> Well what do you think I am with this black bag on my head, a.... (fill in the blank)!

> Seeing as I think I may be the only woman in the room...

> So what other Benny-wise questions/thoughts?

<billpowers> lol

> Gee, no one wants to touch the Veola Vonn offer....hmmm...all such gentlemen.

<Steve "shimp"> Wasn't Veola Vonn married to Nelson?

<Oscar Levant> Who's thast

<billpowers> i noticed thay have a warm spot for jack on xm radio several times a week now

> Steve - Now I can call you that...that's right.

> Bill - We've been getting a lot more people self-idenfying as XM listeners. I wondered about that.

<Oscar Levant> Is Jack ever on Sirius sattelite?

<billpowers> i wanna touch veola vonn..... well i would have once

> Oscar - Should be.

> Bill - I'll bet.

<Pete> What is XM?

<Maxwell> Satellite radio, Pete

<Maxwell> As is Sirius

<Steve "shimp"> Siriusly, what is it?

> Oscar - Veola Vonn was Frank Nelson's wife, and she played some supporting roles on the Benny

show. And considering how she was put together, she needed quite a bit of support on her own.

<Steve "shimp"> Just kidding.

<billpowers> XM was my christmas gift this year.. seems like otr has a home on the internet and on

cable radio now

> Hallelujah

<Pete> I thought it might be but wasn't sure

> Now I need to get them to mention the stamp campaign.

<Pete> can you get it on a computer

<billpowers> did they ever finish renovations ont he house in beverly hills laura?

<Oscar Levant> Was she like Marie "The Body" McDonald?

<billpowers> aaaah.. stamps

> Someone sent me a clipping on the previous stamp campaign, and we've blasted way past the

number of supporters they had.

<Maxwell> Pete, you have to subscribe...special receiver, etc.

> Bill - Did you get your copy of "The Jack Benny Times"?

> Oscar - Not sure...don't know her.

<Pete> thanks Max

<billpowers> veola holds up her end well in "Mystery of the Elephants Graveyard" episode

<Maxwell> Oooo...I remember Marie McDonald!

<billpowers> no, but I have been out of town and have to pick up my mail

<Steve "shimp"> Nice pic of the newly renovated house in the Times. I like they've kept its character.

<Maxwell> She had her own built-in flotation devices.

> Bill - OK...there's a little article in there about the restoration.

<Pete> Laura what ever happened to Jacks Maxwell

<billpowers> I was in eastern ky doing a rent a doc thing christmas and new years

> Er...not really restoration...reconstruction.

> Pete - Ah, now THERE'S a question! Are you ready for a long answer?

> Or should I give you the Reader's Digest version?

<Maxwell> Coffee break time!

<Pete> can you do it short?

> Pete - Sure.

<Maxwell> :-)

> Maxwell House Coffee Time

<Steve "shimp"> (Nelson Voice) Well what do you think we're doing here on this chat, a telethon?

(/nelson)

> OK...*deep sigh, mentally abbreviating*...

<Pete> that was a fred allen line

> There are many Maxwells that claim Jack in their pedigree.

<The Donald> who owns the house now laura?

> But I only know of two that really can claim him.

> Donald - I can't remember what the husband does, but the wife is an artist.

<Pete> fred use to say after looking at jacks Maxwell now I know why they went into the coffee

business

<The Donald> not celebs?

> (Back to Maxwells) One of them is in a private collection in the midwest, and I don't know where the

other is, but I keep looking.

> Donald - Nope.

> Pete - Har har!

<Oscar Levant> That's better than Pickfair that's owned by Pia Zadora

> Oscar - Hey, at least they didn't raze the place.

<The Donald> your kidding about pickfair? right?

> And I have another Maxwell that purports to be one of "the" Maxwells, but I don't think it is.

<Pete> have you seen the tape of the benny allen fued

> I've been doing a little work to try and "prove" it either way.

> Pete - Which one?

<Oscar Levant> Not sure if Pia still ownes Pickfair, but she used to

> Donald - I don't think so...I think it really is Pia Zadora's.

<billpowers> wish i had a maxwell hybrid

<Steve "shimp"> Did they consistently use a same model/year for all the TV shows, movies, etc?

> Bill - Part car, part covered wagon?

<Maxwell> I wonder whatever happened to Pia Zadora.

<The Donald> that's just sad

> Steve - No, there were a couple.

<Pete> I use to have one that was a few of the shorts of the fued and how it started etc.

<billpowers> she won a golden globe a while back..

> There was one that was about a 1916, and the other was about a 1924. I always have to look at

pictures to say the exact year.

> And on the rare occasions they *said* a year for the Maxwell, it varied.

<billpowers> last time i saw her she was in a movie with leslie neilson

> Pete - A video or audiotape?

<The Donald> naked gun

<Pete> audio

<Maxwell> That's more than a few years old now.

> Pia Zadora was doing some nice big band music at one time.

<billpowers> whe looked great in a tuba

<Maxwell> Everybody ends up doing big band music...even Kenny Rogers.

> Pete - Probably one of the tributes, like "Fight of the Century"

<Steve "shimp"> Pia was a good singer - her acting on the other hand peaked with "Santa Claus

Conquers the Martians" I think!

> Maxwell - He has?

<billpowers> love those bands

<Pete> I wish I could find it

<Maxwell> After "My roots are really in Country," the next step is, "My true love is big band."

<Maxwell> Yup.

<Steve "shimp"> Max, then....a bucket of roasted chicken.

<Steve "shimp"> I think I saw a TV ad for Carole King doing standards.

<Maxwell> That's the end of the downward spiral. After that they end up in Branson.

<Steve "shimp"> Oh, Branson is choice if you want some bad acts!
<Oscar Levant> I just looked up that Pia and her husband bought Pickfair in 1988 and sold it in 2005
<Steve "shimp"> It's almost like vaudeville - I saw a guy there who plays two pianos with both hands in front of a musical fountain.
<Laura Leff> Oh...I wonder who bought it...and hopefully they don't demolish the place.
<Maxwell> I think most of the acts in Branson start, "the late...."
<Steve "shimp"> And there's another christian artist who has no arms but plays the guitar with his feet.
<Laura Leff> Steve - Wow...a four-handed pianist
<billpowers> i didnt realize laura that jack was still doing concerts less than a month before he passed
<Laura Leff> Welcome to the Branson wax works
<Oscar Levant> It's owned by Unicom International, Inc.
<Steve "shimp"> The two compensate for each other LL!
<billpowers> he was a tough guy after all, even if he was a hypochondriac
<Laura Leff> Bill - Not quite that late...which were you thinking of?
<Maxwell> I've seen the one who plays foot guitar on PTL or something.
<Maxwell> I watch televangelists for the comedy.
<Laura Leff> Now if it was *steel guitar* then that could be easier with feet.
<billpowers> they had something in the paper bout him recently
> Bill - Nah, it's not quite that late. I have that in my stage database, but can't give you an exact last

performance.

<Steve "shimp"> Hey, as some of you know - I spend a lot of time at cheesy roadside attractions,

including wax museums.

> Ah...need the last screen page or so.

<Steve "shimp"> But I've never seen a Wax Jack! Does anyone know of one?

<Steve "shimp"> I'll send the lines LL.

> Lost it at "and they end up in Branson"

> Steve - Thanks much.

<Maxwell> Hmmm...was there one at the Hollywood Wax Museum?

> Steve - A wax Jack.....hmmmmmm...

<Maxwell> I'm trying to remember, but it's been 42 years since I was there.

> No, I'm not aware of one.

<billpowers> dont worry bout it.. it was a bad disease. i remember being at vandy when he was first

hosp.. and i remember the tears when he passed at the biltmore in atlanta peach bowl weekend

> There's got to be a joke there somewhere.

> BRB

<Steve "shimp"> I've got a catalog from the recently deceased "Movieland" Wax Museum in Buena

Park, but no Jackson shown.

<Pete> My grand daughter takes violin lessons and we often joke about Professor Le Blanc as jacks

teacher

<Maxwell> Another childhood memory gone.

<billpowers> so i thought you were going to talk about stamps laura.. I got some real nice two centers

with birds on em today

<Steve "shimp"> Nero played while Rome Was Burning, Right now for a match I'm yearning....

<Oscar Levant> I saw something on the Hollywood Wax Museum and they have lots of wax figures in

storage and not on display

<Pete> no no miser Benny you sound verse than ever

<Steve "shimp"> A lot of the movieland ones are going up to the one on Fisherman's Wharf in San

Francisco.

> Bill - Oh sure, I talked about that at the start. What would you like to know?

<Steve "shimp"> LL could hop across the bay and see if Jack is in a back room there.

<billpowers> i was just making sure you talked about it

> "What are the plink, plinks?" "I'm stepping over the worm"

<Maxwell> Or if Vincent Price is in the back room.

<billpowers> it was a pitch for the plug

<Steve "shimp"> Vincent Price great story:

> I went through that wax museum around 1992, and I'd have remembered if Jack was there.

<Pete> mel Blanc was wonderfull

<Steve "shimp"> Once he sneaked into the "House of Wax" diorama at Buena Park, and freaked out

the visitors by turning to them and scaring them.

<Steve "shimp"> (replacing his statue of course)

> Bill - Of course...sign the petition! Join the 39 Man March!

> Steve - Oh, what a hoot!

> Bill - You going to be able to be there?

<Maxwell> Pete...check out www.nostalgiadigest.com "Those Were the Days" link. February is "Jack

Benny Month" and it's all Mel Blanc stuff.

<Steve "shimp"> VP loved Jack, as well - he mentioned how much he enjoyed working with him in

numerous interviews - and how much he loved the radio medium as well.

<Pete> LL should I write John Kerry again

<Maxwell> You can listen to the shows on RealAudio the Tuesday after they're broadcast.

> Maxwell - You notice Chuck never came back...at least not under that name? Hope I didn't mess up.

<billpowers> im going to try... southwest flies there.. i wont know til the week before..

<Maxwell> Same here.

<Maxwell> I know he's a club member.

> Pete - Sure, that would be great. You can mention that he said in TV Guide that he was a Benny fan.

<billpowers> but i am planning to.. hope its warm that day.. i wanna see the smithsonian while im there

too

> Bill - OK, no problem. No pressure.

<Pete> will do

<billpowers> at least stop and see charlie and mortimer

<Oscar Levant> Just tell Kerry it's a photo op

<Maxwell> Tell any politician it's a photo op.

> Hey, that would kick butt to have him come out and support us.

<billpowers> i am working again laura.. yippee!

<Maxwell> You'll have the entire House and Senate out there.

> Bill - Congrats! That's great!

<Steve "shimp"> Two of my congressional reps scare me to death, but one, John Warner, used to have

a showbiz connection - he was married to Liz Taylor for awhile.

> Maxwell - What a photo op...

<Steve "shimp"> Did Jack know Liz Taylor?

> Steve - who wasn't? :)

<Oscar Levant> Steve-Who wasn't

<billpowers> friends , countrymen, lend me your ears; but send me your pregnant people

> Steve - I'm sure they must have crossed paths.

<Steve "shimp"> Har Har...

> Oscar - Hey there's an echo in here.

> Bill - Sorry, I don't qualify.

<Oscar Levant> Poor Liz

> Is Liz married now?

<billpowers> :-)

<Maxwell> I don't think so.

<Oscar Levant> I don't think so. I think Larry Fortenzky was her last one

> I know she was married to some shlub and divorced him...yeah, Larry Fortenzky.

<Maxwell> So who ended up with more spouses. Her or Mickey Rooney?

<Oscar Levant> She met Larry in rehab

> But I thought she married again after that. Or maybe I thought she married Michael Jackson.

<Oscar Levant> I think Zsa Zsa did

<Pete> Remember when Jack and Marry went to the academy awards with FN as the announcer

<Steve "shimp"> Yipes!

> Maxwell - Artie Shaw.

<Maxwell> Artie Shaw won the Lifetime Achievement Award.

<billpowers> charle barnet.. those band leaders had "it"; I guess

> Bill - I'm sure Phil would think so.

<billpowers> I am going to try to pass myself off as a band leader i think

<Steve "shimp"> George Burns has some good stories about Artie Shaw being not so traumatized by

his various divorces!

<Oscar Levant> Like Harry James marring Betty Grable

> Well, Artie Shaw had a bit of an ego going on.

> Sort of like saying Al Jolson has a bit of an ego going on.

<Maxwell> Was Shaw married at one time to Laraine Day?

> Was Shaw married at one time to Dennis Day?

<Steve "shimp"> Love his music on the B&A shows he was part of though, very fresh and modern

sounding.

<Maxwell> I'm trying to remember the actress in a Buddy Rich story.

> Oh, Shaw was a genius musician.

> Ava Gardner is the only Shaw wife I can remember.

<Pete> One question I have wanted to know was Dennis days mother granny on the bev hillbillys

<Maxwell> It was either Day or Lana Turner....

> Pete - Verna Felton?

<Steve "shimp"> Nope Pete - Verna Felton played Dennis' mom, she was the Queen of Hearts in the

Disney "Alice in Wonderland" - and that's exactly how I picture Dennis' mom.

> Pete - OIC what you mean...

[Sun Jan 08 18:48:47 GMT-08:00 2006] Steve:

<Pete> I am talking in real life

<Maxwell> She was Hilda Crocker in December Bride, too.

> Steve - Are you Steve "shimp" or are you another Steve?

<Maxwell> So I picture her as looking like that.

<Steve> another Steve

<Steve "shimp"> There is another Steve in the room - but I'm still here.

> Verna Felton was also Baroness Schrader in The Sound of Music.

<Oscar Levant> Looked it up, Liz' last husband was Larry F. divorced in 1996, married 8 times

<Maxwell> How about Mickey Rooney?

> Steve - Ah, OK. We've had a bevy of Steves tonight. Welcome!

<Maxwell> You'd be Steve III.

<Steve> sorry, didn't realize there was another Steve already here.

> So anyway, Ishmael...

<billpowers> man, someone is getting my quota.. well never mind.. liz was looking for husbands to

collect

> Steve - Don't worry about it, just wanted to make sure how many we ha!

<Steve "shimp"> I think I am just going to be known forever by Shimp - I'm cursed by the dinner I had

the day I signed up for IJBFC!

<Pete> some where I thought I read that dennis was the son of Irean Ryan?

<billpowers> but those bandleaders sure got my quota

<billpowers> and don wilson

<Maxwell> What bandleader got Don Wilson?

<Steve "shimp"> Nope, Pete, there's a picture somewhere of Dennis' real mother meeting Verna

Felton... it's in one of the biographies.

> Pete - No...um...Dennis' brother is married to a celeb...but her name is escaping me at the moment. I

don't think it was Irene Ryan.

> Maxwell - Har har

<billpowers> don tried to perfect the wedding march, i think

> Steve - Oh, that's neat. I'll have to look for that.

<Oscar Levant> Dennis Day's brother is married to Larraine Day

> Don was married, I think, 5 times.

<Pete> I will try too find out for sure for the next chat

<billpowers> i guess he was only a band emcee

<Maxwell> And Artie Shaw.

<Steve "shimp"> Just peeked, it is in the Josefsberg book, Mary McNulty was Dennis' real mom.

<Oscar Levant> Right?

<Steve "shimp"> p. 117 - I'm good!

<Maxwell> And fast.

> Oscar - No, that doesn't sound right. Because Dennis' brother's name is McNulty. And the wife has

her own stage name.

> Argh. I can't remember who it is. I'd have to dig into my notes.

> Oh, here's an inside laugh...

<Maxwell> I just hope it's not Liz Taylor.

> I'm listening to a radio show, and there's a comment about Jack having nose surgery.

<Maxwell> Or Artie Shaw.

<Oscar Levant> I know Dennis' brother is married to a celeb

> And I immediately think to myself, "Oh, is this when he had nose polyps?" And I go down and look in

my letters file, and sure enough,

> I find a personal letter of Jack talking about his nose surgery and the cause.

> I said, "I know what was going on inside of Jack's nose. OK, I know *WAY* too much about Jack."

<Pete> dennis died of lou Gerig disease I believe

<Maxwell> Pete, yup.

> Pete - That's right.

<Pete> ALS

<Steve "shimp"> LL, yeah, that is a little much!

> We're beyond "boxers or briefs" folks...we're on into the internal organs...

<Maxwell> Don't get too nosey.

<Steve "shimp"> Mary had a nose job as well...

> Maxwell - Don't be snotty.

> Steve - Very true!

<Steve "shimp"> And apparently joked about it - pre-Phyllis Diller.

> OK, this Dennis question is driving me nuts...BRB...I think I know where to find it.

> Oh hey, I just interviewed Phyllis Diller briefly. She supports the stamp.

<Maxwell> All right!

 

> Bill - Nah, it's not quite that late. I have that in my stage database, but can't give you an exact last

performance.

<Steve "shimp"> Hey, as some of you know - I spend a lot of time at cheesy roadside attractions,

including wax museums.

> Ah...need the last screen page or so.

<Steve "shimp"> But I've never seen a Wax Jack! Does anyone know of one?

<Steve "shimp"> I'll send the lines LL.

> Lost it at "and they end up in Branson"

> Steve - Thanks much.

<Maxwell> Hmmm...was there one at the Hollywood Wax Museum?

> Steve - A wax Jack.....hmmmmmm...

<Maxwell> I'm trying to remember, but it's been 42 years since I was there.

> No, I'm not aware of one.

<billpowers> dont worry bout it.. it was a bad disease. i remember being at vandy when he was first

hosp.. and i remember the tears when he passed at the biltmore in atlanta peach bowl weekend

> There's got to be a joke there somewhere.

> BRB

<Steve "shimp"> I've got a catalog from the recently deceased "Movieland" Wax Museum in Buena

Park, but no Jackson shown.

<Pete> My grand daughter takes violin lessons and we often joke about Professor Le Blanc as jacks

teacher

<Maxwell> Another childhood memory gone.

<billpowers> so i thought you were going to talk about stamps laura.. I got some real nice two centers

with birds on em today

<Steve "shimp"> Nero played while Rome Was Burning, Right now for a match I'm yearning....

<Oscar Levant> I saw something on the Hollywood Wax Museum and they have lots of wax figures in

storage and not on display

<Pete> no no miser Benny you sound verse than ever

<Steve "shimp"> A lot of the movieland ones are going up to the one on Fisherman's Wharf in San

Francisco.

> Bill - Oh sure, I talked about that at the start. What would you like to know?

<Steve "shimp"> LL could hop across the bay and see if Jack is in a back room there.

<billpowers> i was just making sure you talked about it

> "What are the plink, plinks?" "I'm stepping over the worm"

<Maxwell> Or if Vincent Price is in the back room.

<billpowers> it was a pitch for the plug

<Steve "shimp"> Vincent Price great story:

> I went through that wax museum around 1992, and I'd have remembered if Jack was there.

<Pete> mel Blanc was wonderfull

<Steve "shimp"> Once he sneaked into the "House of Wax" diorama at Buena Park, and freaked out

the visitors by turning to them and scaring them.

<Steve "shimp"> (replacing his statue of course)

> Bill - Of course...sign the petition! Join the 39 Man March!

> Steve - Oh, what a hoot!

> Bill - You going to be able to be there?

<Maxwell> Pete...check out www.nostalgiadigest.com "Those Were the Days" link. February is "Jack

Benny Month" and it's all Mel Blanc stuff.

<Steve "shimp"> VP loved Jack, as well - he mentioned how much he enjoyed working with him in

numerous interviews - and how much he loved the radio medium as well.

<Pete> LL should I write John Kerry again

<Maxwell> You can listen to the shows on RealAudio the Tuesday after they're broadcast.

> Maxwell - You notice Chuck never came back...at least not under that name? Hope I didn't mess up.

<billpowers> im going to try... southwest flies there.. i wont know til the week before..

<Maxwell> Same here.

<Maxwell> I know he's a club member.

> Pete - Sure, that would be great. You can mention that he said in TV Guide that he was a Benny fan.

<billpowers> but i am planning to.. hope its warm that day.. i wanna see the smithsonian while im there

too

> Bill - OK, no problem. No pressure.

<Pete> will do

<billpowers> at least stop and see charlie and mortimer

<Oscar Levant> Just tell Kerry it's a photo op

<Maxwell> Tell any politician it's a photo op.

> Hey, that would kick butt to have him come out and support us.

<billpowers> i am working again laura.. yippee!

<Maxwell> You'll have the entire House and Senate out there.

> Bill - Congrats! That's great!

<Steve "shimp"> Two of my congressional reps scare me to death, but one, John Warner, used to have

a showbiz connection - he was married to Liz Taylor for awhile.

> Maxwell - What a photo op...

<Steve "shimp"> Did Jack know Liz Taylor?

> Steve - who wasn't? :)

<Oscar Levant> Steve-Who wasn't

<billpowers> friends , countrymen, lend me your ears; but send me your pregnant people

> Steve - I'm sure they must have crossed paths.

<Steve "shimp"> Har Har...

> Oscar - Hey there's an echo in here.

> Bill - Sorry, I don't qualify.

<Oscar Levant> Poor Liz

> Is Liz married now?

<billpowers> :-)

<Maxwell> I don't think so.

<Oscar Levant> I don't think so. I think Larry Fortenzky was her last one

> I know she was married to some shlub and divorced him...yeah, Larry Fortenzky.

<Maxwell> So who ended up with more spouses. Her or Mickey Rooney?

<Oscar Levant> She met Larry in rehab

> But I thought she married again after that. Or maybe I thought she married Michael Jackson.

<Oscar Levant> I think Zsa Zsa did

<Pete> Remember when Jack and Marry went to the academy awards with FN as the announcer

<Steve "shimp"> Yipes!

> Maxwell - Artie Shaw.

<Maxwell> Artie Shaw won the Lifetime Achievement Award.

<billpowers> charle barnet.. those band leaders had "it"; I guess

> Bill - I'm sure Phil would think so.

<billpowers> I am going to try to pass myself off as a band leader i think

<Steve "shimp"> George Burns has some good stories about Artie Shaw being not so traumatized by

his various divorces!

<Oscar Levant> Like Harry James marring Betty Grable

> Well, Artie Shaw had a bit of an ego going on.

> Sort of like saying Al Jolson has a bit of an ego going on.

<Maxwell> Was Shaw married at one time to Laraine Day?

> Was Shaw married at one time to Dennis Day?

<Steve "shimp"> Love his music on the B&A shows he was part of though, very fresh and modern

sounding.

<Maxwell> I'm trying to remember the actress in a Buddy Rich story.

> Oh, Shaw was a genius musician.

> Ava Gardner is the only Shaw wife I can remember.

<Pete> One question I have wanted to know was Dennis days mother granny on the bev hillbillys

<Maxwell> It was either Day or Lana Turner....

> Pete - Verna Felton?

<Steve "shimp"> Nope Pete - Verna Felton played Dennis' mom, she was the Queen of Hearts in the

Disney "Alice in Wonderland" - and that's exactly how I picture Dennis' mom.

> Pete - OIC what you mean...

[Sun Jan 08 18:48:47 GMT-08:00 2006] Steve:

<Pete> I am talking in real life

<Maxwell> She was Hilda Crocker in December Bride, too.

> Steve - Are you Steve "shimp" or are you another Steve?

<Maxwell> So I picture her as looking like that.

<Steve> another Steve

<Steve "shimp"> There is another Steve in the room - but I'm still here.

> Verna Felton was also Baroness Schrader in The Sound of Music.

<Oscar Levant> Looked it up, Liz' last husband was Larry F. divorced in 1996, married 8 times

<Maxwell> How about Mickey Rooney?

> Steve - Ah, OK. We've had a bevy of Steves tonight. Welcome!

<Maxwell> You'd be Steve III.

<Steve> sorry, didn't realize there was another Steve already here.

> So anyway, Ishmael...

<billpowers> man, someone is getting my quota.. well never mind.. liz was looking for husbands to

collect

> Steve - Don't worry about it, just wanted to make sure how many we ha!

<Steve "shimp"> I think I am just going to be known forever by Shimp - I'm cursed by the dinner I had

the day I signed up for IJBFC!

<Pete> some where I thought I read that dennis was the son of Irean Ryan?

<billpowers> but those bandleaders sure got my quota

<billpowers> and don wilson

<Maxwell> What bandleader got Don Wilson?

<Steve "shimp"> Nope, Pete, there's a picture somewhere of Dennis' real mother meeting Verna

Felton... it's in one of the biographies.

> Pete - No...um...Dennis' brother is married to a celeb...but her name is escaping me at the moment. I

don't think it was Irene Ryan.

> Maxwell - Har har

<billpowers> don tried to perfect the wedding march, i think

> Steve - Oh, that's neat. I'll have to look for that.

<Oscar Levant> Dennis Day's brother is married to Larraine Day

> Don was married, I think, 5 times.

<Pete> I will try too find out for sure for the next chat

<billpowers> i guess he was only a band emcee

<Maxwell> And Artie Shaw.

<Steve "shimp"> Just peeked, it is in the Josefsberg book, Mary McNulty was Dennis' real mom.

<Oscar Levant> Right?

<Steve "shimp"> p. 117 - I'm good!

<Maxwell> And fast.

> Oscar - No, that doesn't sound right. Because Dennis' brother's name is McNulty. And the wife has

her own stage name.

> Argh. I can't remember who it is. I'd have to dig into my notes.

> Oh, here's an inside laugh...

<Maxwell> I just hope it's not Liz Taylor.

> I'm listening to a radio show, and there's a comment about Jack having nose surgery.

<Maxwell> Or Artie Shaw.

<Oscar Levant> I know Dennis' brother is married to a celeb

> And I immediately think to myself, "Oh, is this when he had nose polyps?" And I go down and look in

my letters file, and sure enough,

> I find a personal letter of Jack talking about his nose surgery and the cause.

> I said, "I know what was going on inside of Jack's nose. OK, I know *WAY* too much about Jack."

<Pete> dennis died of lou Gerig disease I believe

<Maxwell> Pete, yup.

> Pete - That's right.

<Pete> ALS

<Steve "shimp"> LL, yeah, that is a little much!

> We're beyond "boxers or briefs" folks...we're on into the internal organs...

<Maxwell> Don't get too nosey.

<Steve "shimp"> Mary had a nose job as well...

> Maxwell - Don't be snotty.

> Steve - Very true!

<Steve "shimp"> And apparently joked about it - pre-Phyllis Diller.

> OK, this Dennis question is driving me nuts...BRB...I think I know where to find it.

> Oh hey, I just interviewed Phyllis Diller briefly. She supports the stamp.

<Maxwell> All right!

<Pete> Being part Jewish I know noses can be a little on the long side LOL

<Oscar Levant> OK, Dennis Day's brother James is married to Ann Blythe

<Maxwell> Ever notice how much Phyllis Diller looks like Bob Hope?

<Steve "shimp"> Cheers Phyllis!

> Ann Blyth

> She's Dennis' sister-in-law

<Maxwell> I remember her doing ads for Twinkies.

<Steve "shimp"> The Mary joke I remember is that she would sneeze and put the Kleenex lower on her

face and then say, Oh, I have to remember it's UP HERE now!

> Ah, Oscar, you beat me to it.

> Steve - Mary Livingstone?

<Oscar Levant> I knew he had a famous in-law

<Steve "shimp"> Yep, I think it's a Claudette Colbert anecdote in one of the books.

> Oh, I've got a great Hollywood joke that I just heard about Jack and Mary.

[Sun Jan 08 18:57:55 GMT-08:00 2006] Brad: brad.vereen@comcast.net

> Hey Brad!

<Brad> Greetings?

<Brad> Greetings!

<Steve "shimp"> Hi Brad!

<Maxwell> Hey Brad!

<Brad> Question...

<Maxwell> You're late!

<billpowers> brad!

> Brad - I've got to stop working on 39 Forever long enough to try your suggestions.

<Brad> "Eastern Columbia Broadway at 9th"

<Brad> Please explain.

> Brad - Yes, an the question is...ah yes!

> Department store.

<Brad> It's a department store?

> I'm going to explain that in the introductory notes to "39 Forever" Volume 2.

<Steve "shimp"> ???????

> Yup. Eastern Columbia, Broadway at 9th was a department store with a popular jingle.

> Jack even plays the jingle on his violin on one show.

<Brad> It has to be sung to really job your memory.

<Maxwell> To the tune of Pickle in the middle with the mustard on top.

> Yeah, here I'll sing it for you

<Brad> job s/b jog

> "Eastern Columbia...Broadway at 9th"

> Does that help?

<Maxwell> Ah...I remember that!

<Maxwell> Singing it really helped!

> Maxwell - I knew it would.

<Steve "shimp"> I am majorly lost. Do I have to go to Broadway at 9th to understand what's going on?

> Steve - Oh no, it was just a well-known department store of the time. Like singing any current

commercial jingle.

<Maxwell> If you go there today, it's a Wal-Mart.

> Maxwel - Yeah, no kidding.

> There really *aren't* any jinglees any more, are there?

<billpowers> in louisville, it was the union station.. or at least the l&N building

<Maxwell> Hmmm...

<billpowers> I guess barry manilow ran out of ideas

<Maxwell> I'm trying to think of at least one.

<Steve "shimp"> LL, they're all horrible local ones in '80s light-rock style.

<Pete> I understand that Jack contrary to popular belief was one of the most generous men in

Hollywood

> Search jackbenny.org for Eastern Columbia...there's stuff on the Forum about it.

<Oscar Levant> Steve, the Eastern Columbia line was used several times as a punch line for a joke

> Steve - Yeesh...and I was a teenager in the 80s.

<Steve "shimp"> LL, do you want to backtrack and tell us the Jack & Mary Hollywood joke?

<Maxwell> Laura, you don't have to admit that.

<billpowers> i was, ummmm. well i was old then too.. but sure was handsome anyway

> Pete - Sure was.

<Steve "shimp"> Me too, LL! Styling mousse and all.

<Maxwell> Pretend you were a teenager in some other decade...any other decade!

> Maxwell - I probably shouldn't have.

> Bill - And you still are.

<Maxwell> I should've been a teenager in the '30s.

<Maxwell> But then I'd be my dad.

> Maxwell - Well, I would have liked to be a teenager in the teens so I could have been in my 20s

during the Roaring 20s.

<Pete> LL your not old enough to remember jack on the radio are you?

<billpowers> thanks laura.. ill use you as a reference

<Maxwell> LL's not old enough to remember Jack on TV first-run.

<Pete> you don't have to answer

> Pete - Nope. I'm 36...but I tell everyone I'm 39.

<billpowers> i would like to be a teen ager today .. and know what i know now

> Steve - OK...I wasn't sure if anyone wanted to hear it.

<Pete> don't rush it you'll get there

<Steve "shimp"> Sure do.

<Oscar Levant> You're the only one, other than someone trying to get into a club, that lies about being

older than you really are

> Let's all sing..."I wish I was 18 again..."

[Sun Jan 08 19:05:13 GMT-08:00 2006] Brad: brad.vereen@comcast.net

> Oscar - Well, I've used that joke for a long time. It expires in 2 years.

<Maxwell> Now that I'm getting stuff from AARP, I wish I was 49 again.

> WB Brad

> OK, so Jack and Mary are driving to Palm Springs.

> And they get into an accident with a hay wagon.

<Pete> I have on mp3 most of the benny radio shows dating back to 1932

> All the hay from the wagon falls down on top of them in their convertible.

> And you know....it was the first time Jack and Mary had been in the hay together in 20 years.

<Maxwell> Ouch!

<billpowers> :-)

> Ba dum bum

<Brad> bu-dum-dum!

<Steve "shimp"> Snicker. Ouch!

<Pete> that was mean LOL

> I gasped and laughed when I heard that. And I'm not going to tell you who told it to me! But I was in a

Beverly Hills home. And it was not Joan.

<Maxwell> So now we've seen LL's mean-spirited side! :-)

<billpowers> hope it wasnt frankie remley

> Maxwell - Hey, **I** didn't make up that joke! It was a Hollywood joke of the time!

<billpowers> phyllis?

> Bill - No, he's a little stiff right now.

<Brad> George Burns

> No no...no source on that one.

<Pete> LL how did you first get involved with Jack Benny

<Maxwell> So he's short and dead?

<Maxwell> Or just drunk?

<Oscar Levant> More like pickled

> Pete - Well, just to keep it short on the chat, I'll direct you to the FAQ for the full story. But basically

it was the cartoon "The Mouse That Jack Built".

> Maxwell - Short and dead. And probably getting shorter.

> Maxwell - And maybe drunk too.

<Maxwell> dead drunk....

<Steve "shimp"> "Mouse" made a big impression on me too. I would always watch the cartoons hoping

there would be more with those characters long before I knew who Jack was.

> Reminds me of Phil Harris' comment to George Balzer when I gave him George's number, "I can't die

until they figure out where to bury my liver."

> Steve - It was originally intended to be a series, but it just didn't happen.

<Brad> You met Phil Harris??

<Pete> sounds like phil

> Brad - Sho nuff. Interviewed him at his office.

<Pete> what is the mouse

<billpowers> laura, when you met phil did you chance to meet alice too?

<Steve "shimp"> Phil Harris, words can't express how much I like Philsie.

> Pete - And that's part of the tale to your early-on question about whether Phil was a drunk.

<Brad> I am impressedd.

<Maxwell> Pete...an old WB cartoon.

> Bill - No, it was just him. His office was Bill Morrow's house in Palm Desert.

> As I was leaving, I asked "Is Alice still as beautiful as she always was?"

> And Phil said, "I hope so."

<Steve "shimp"> LOL

> I saw the gold record of "The Thing".

<billpowers> i met phil too laura.. once in louisville at a night of the stars honoring hall of famers here in

louisville

<Pete> when did phil die?

<Brad> Is this interview searchable or "tradeable" somewhere on jackbenny.org?

<Brad> 1995

<Steve "shimp"> 1995

> Brad - It's in our back issues from 1984-1996.

<Pete> he must have been in his 90's

<billpowers> pat buttram was here too.. if im spelling it right Mr Haney, National Barn Dance, etc

<Brad> apparently they made arrangements for his liver....:-(\

> Bill - Wow! What happened?

<Maxwell> bill...Buttram is correct.

> Brad - Yeah, they cremated it.

<Maxwell> You left out Gene Autry's sidekick.

> I oughta put together a collection of my interviews.....................oh CRAP.

<Brad> The alcohol content would have made that a volatile proposition.

> Something else to do.

<Maxwell> And you can't leave Gene Autry out when I'm around.

<Steve "shimp"> Pat Buttram was great on Green Acres, I can't look at him without laughing.

> Maxwell - Trigger?

<billpowers> well, it was fifty dollars a plate when i was a poor med student.. i was standing around at

the hyatt looking at the ball players and looking silly

<Maxwell> Champion.

> Maxwell - Oh right, wrong cowboy.

<billpowers> robin roberts said "hey kid" come here and snuck me through the back door.

<Maxwell> Roy Rogers and Trigger.

> Gene Autry and Roy Rogers in "Brokeback Mountain"

<Steve "shimp"> Oh boy!

<Maxwell> Ouch!

> OK, we won't pursue that line of thought...

<billpowers> I got a seat , a meal, and access to everyone.. as Mr Roberts introduced me aroundas a

friend of his.. and not as a freeloader like I really was..

<Pete> LL you really get into the old stuff

<billpowers> More Hall of Famers at that event than anything I ever saw

<Maxwell> That's because she's "old at heart."

> Bill - It's great to get into stuff like that. I somehow got invited to Tony Butala's birthday party (The

Lettermen)

<Pete> I am so glad that there is someone to keep jack alive

<billpowers> but Mr Haney, Phil, and Stan Musial were the stars of the show.. Dimaggio made it too

> Pete - Yes, I like it better than what's generally available now.

<Pete> I hate most new movies

> Fairy tales can come true, it can happen to you...when you're old at heart...

<Maxwell> Anybody here from Boston yet to say, "Which DiMaggio"?

<billpowers> Phil was very gracious.. he signed a "baseball" for me

> Bill - Didn't have Marilyn with him, I presume.

<Pete> I am 50 miles south of Boston

> Maxwell - Har har...I know that one.

<Pete> joe and don

<billpowers> i guess that was about '85 or so

> Pete - Ah then chances are we'll cross paths at some point, as I come to Boston with some

regularity.

> Bill - Yeah, Phil was still active then.

<Pete> oh would love to meet you

> Bill - You ever tell Maria that you met Phil?

<Maxwell> You must let me know when you come back to Waukegan, and then give me the wrong

date so you can avoid me!

<billpowers> i think i even sent her a picture and the news story about it

> Pete - OK, one of these days I'll have an informal club gathering there. Had one last June.

> Maxwell - Dates come from Palm Springs. :)

<Maxwell> Very few dates come from Waukegan.

> Bill - I showed her the original of the photo of Phil with his arm around me, and she stood gazing at it

and sighing for about five minutes.

<Pete> I would also like to see Eddy Carrol come to Boston

<Oscar Levant> Dates, another Christmas gift for Don...

<Brad> Got Maltin's "Great American Broadcast" for Christmas...highly recommended overview,

explains much that has been lost to time.

> Pete - If you know of any theatre/venue that would host him, I can put you in touch with him. Or just

go to eddiecarroll.com

<Pete> w/nuts or with out

> Brad - I've got that, just need time to read it.

> I wonder if that bothered the censor...

<billpowers> maria could really rehearse that sigh

<Pete> he is comming to new london but that is about 100 miles

<billpowers> i wish eddie would come back here and do one of the riverboats again, or something.

> Pete - Well, they're always looking for additional venues. You should definitely see him.

<Pete> I have seen his web site and boy he even looks like benny and sounds like him

<Maxwell> Yeah, I caught him on CNN a couple of months ago for the first time. I was impressed.

> Pete - Have you seen the CNN clip?

<Pete> is that the one with the link on the JB site

> Maxwell - Was it only a couple months ago? Did he make it on again?

> Pete - Yeah, it's about 5 minutes

<Maxwell> Or maybe I saw it online.

<Maxwell> I'm old. Things run together.

> Maxwell - That's OK. I just like to keep track of Jack in the media.

<Pete> max im 64 you?

> So what else Benny-wise is on everyone's minds?

<Maxwell> You've got a few on me. I turn 56 in a couple of months. You're a little younger than my big

brother.

<Steve "shimp"> Hey folks, sorry I dropped out for a minute there. LL, are you doing Yesterday USA

tonight? I've finally heard a couple recently and must offer my compliments.

> Apologies to anyone who's waiting on an E-mail from me. I've been spending such ridiculous hours on

the book that I'm backlogged on everything else.

<billpowers> laura, is the stamp schedule on the website.. i forgot to look

<Pete> How about TV shows on dvd I have adout 5 of them ans 2 tapes with poor sound and picture

> Steve - Ah, thank you. Yes, we recorded it late Friday night.

> Bill - The 39 Man March, you mean?

<billpowers> yep

> Pete - Workin' on it. Definitely one of my top priorities for the estate.

<billpowers> i guess i could click.. lol

> Bill - Yes, the what/where/when is all there.

> Anything else? Should we call it a wrap for this month? Or a burrito?

<Steve "shimp"> How many have RSVPed, LL, will you make the 39!?

<Maxwell> Hmmm...I need to remember to email my senators about the march.

<Oscar Levant> Gotta run. Talk to you folks next month.

<Maxwell> So long Oscar!

> Steve - It's very early yet. I know there are people who are coming who haven't RSVPed yet.

> Take care, Oscar!

<Pete> OK don't want to keep you all night

<Steve "shimp"> Hey, did you get any response on a Maxwell for the March?

> My pleasure. I'll go back to working on "39 Forever" after this. No rest for the wicked.

> Steve - Nothing yet. You want to look into it?

<Steve "shimp"> I have a friend who is involved with the classic car world and could ask.

<Pete> your far from wicked

> Steve - Oh hey, you have the radio connections, right?

> Steve - Yes, that would be great!

> Pete - Thank you...I appreciate that!

<Steve "shimp"> Nope, no radio connections, but will let you know if I get a lead on a maxwell.

> Steve - OK, I know one of our volunteers is involved in radio, and I want them to do the media list.

> But I've got to get time to do my E-mail. Not enough hours in the day, and I've been spending about

10 hours a day, every day, on the club.

> I'm a little burnt, but if everything is successful, it will be worth it.

<Steve "shimp"> All right, LL, stop and smell the roses once in awhile (and don't think about Jack

Benny's nose polyps while you're at it!)

<Maxwell> Yeah, just don't burn yourself out.

> Steve - I hear that. Well, Dan and I did go to a movie and dinner yesterday.

<Pete> so your knackered tonight british word for worn out very tired

<Maxwell> It wasn't that long ago you were having surgery, you know.

> I have stuff that's driving to a February 14th delivery, so hopefully things will quiet down after that.

<Steve "shimp"> Your work's much appreciated. I'm out for the night, but will be in touch on e-mail!

Great chatting with everyone. Night!

> Maxwell - Very true, very true.

> Thanks for being here, Shimp!

<Pete> hope your ok now

> OK, let's call it good for January.

<Maxwell> Sounds good to me.

<Pete> bye

<Maxwell> Good night all!

> Pete - I'm almost fully recovered. Incision scar is still there, but that's about it.

<Pete> good

> Thanks again everyone. Hope to see you next month.

> We're a little late folks...