IJBFC Chat - November 6, 2005

(Name of message originator in <> brackets at the beginning of each line;  lines starting with > are originated by Laura Leff)

<Kay Lhota> Hi Maxwell

<Maxwell> Hey, Kay!

<Kay Lhota> It's been a few months.

<Kay Lhota> How are you?

<Maxwell> If I'm slow answering at first here, it's because I'm trying to write an article about the World Series for a

newsletter.

<Maxwell> Good. How are you?

<Kay Lhota> Well, it was an excellent World Series

<Maxwell> Yeah, they said the ratings were the worst ever. Too bad...they poor saps didn't know what they missed.

<Maxwell> Hey Brad!

<Kay Lhota> Hi Brad

<Brad from Georgia> Hello, everyone!

<Brad from Georgia> The whole both of yez.

<Kay Lhota> well, I don't go by ratings. What I watch is never counted for much.
<Maxwell> Same here.
<Brad from Georgia> TV?
<Kay Lhota> TV
<Maxwell> Yeah.
<Maxwell> Hey LL!
<Brad from Georgia> I don't watch very much. Occasionally a movie.
<Laura Leff> Hello again, folks!
<Brad from Georgia> Hiya, LL!
<Kay Lhota> Hi Laura
<Laura Leff> How's everyone doing this evening?
<Brad from Georgia> Doing well. Anticipating the bound JBT 200-2005!
<Maxwell> I'm too busy. I'm trying to write a newsletter article while doing this!
<Laura Leff> Brad - Same here! Can't wait for the proof copy.
<Kay Lhota> Tell me, was Mel Blanc Leona the horse?
<Laura Leff> Kay - I think so...that nasal whinny sounds like him.
<Kay Lhota> and the hiccups
<Brad from Georgia> Was Rochester's fluff--here's the boss, Jack--uh, jack, Boss--scripted?
<Laura Leff> Actually...hang on...I've done the cast list on this one for Volume 2. Let me look it up and see if I've got positive ID.
<Laura Leff> Hey Barbara!
<Laura Leff> Thanks for signing the petition, Barbara!
<Barbara> Hi everyone!
<Brad from Georgia> Good evening, Barbara--on the east coast, anyhow!
<Maxwell> Hey Barbara.
<Barbara> You're welcome. Whaat better number than 39!
<Laura Leff> No! Leona was Pinto Colvig!
<Kay Lhota> I don't hear Mel Blanc in many episodes during this period
<Kay Lhota> Pinto Colvig. Okay!
<Brad from Georgia> So Leona was a little goofy?
<Laura Leff> Barbara - Did you get 39? I didn't notice!
<Kay Lhota> Was Bea Benadaret the baby, and the woman in line?
<Maxwell> Ah...Goofy!
<Maxwell> (Slow to respond as I go back and forth.)
<Brad from Georgia> Goofy was one of my first impressions: a-hyuck!
> oops

> Say, can someone E-mail me everything said thus far?

> Hello?

<Maxwell> Done.

> Maxwell - Thank you!

> I went to see what number Barbara got and lost the chat room.

<Brad from Georgia> I sent it, too, Laura.

> Thanks, Brad!

<Barbara> I just meant Jack's 39th birthday, Laura.

<Kay Lhota> Was Bea Benedaret in the episode? I was guessing that she was Phil's baby

> Barbara - OIC. I'm just uploading another batch of names to the Web site. Over 100 signatures online and via E-mail

in just two hours!

<Barbara> They already put Jack on a stamp awhile back. I still have it. Do you think they'll do another one?

> Barbara - I'm sure hoping so. With the "39" tie-in and general public forgetfulness, I'm hoping they'll do it.

> Kay - Let me check...

<Brad from Georgia> Well, George Washington's been on a number of stamps. And Jack served under General

Washington.

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

<Barbara> I thought it was Lincoln.

<Brad from Georgia> I thought Lincoln was the one who finally promoted him....

<Barbara> That's right.

> Kay - Nope, don't have a credit on that one. May have been Colvig again.

[Sun Nov 06 17:09:41 GMT-08:00 2005] william p: docpowjr@aol.com

> Hey Doc Powers!

<william p> hi laura

<Brad from Georgia> What's up, Doc?

> Elvia Allman was the woman in line...I thought it was Verna Felton.

<Kay Lhota> The baby cries sounded more feminine.

<Maxwell> Yeah, what's up Doc?

<Kay Lhota> Elvia! Good to know!

<Kay Lhota> It sounded like Verna Felton, but not deep enough.

> Bill Morrow was the angry driver when Leona stops in the street.

<Brad from Georgia> -forgive me--I got the Looney Toons vol. 3 for my birthday and am under the influence of Bugs-

<william p> ummmm, never heard that line before lol

<Barbara> This was less than a year before Jack got the 4 "new" writers.

<Kay Lhota> Oh, I want that DVD set so much!

> No cast credit on the usher or ticket seller/Mamie. :(

> Bill - I'll bet.

<Brad from Georgia> Kay, lots of Jack references on the DVD--even a "Buck Bunny rides again!" line.

> Barbara - Did I tell you about the letter re Bill Morrow I found in Laramie?

<Kay Lhota> Yes, I saw what was on the list.

> Brad - Yes, that sounds like a great set!

<Barbara> If you did, tell me again.

<Kay Lhota> Just to get a good copy of "The Mouse That Jack Built" would be worth it. My only video tape is from

1982.

<Brad from Georgia> "The Mouse that Jack Built" looks and sounds great. Too bad the studio violinist was too good to

stand in for Jack.

> I found a letter Jack wrote to the Armed Forces in 1943 asking them to excuse Bill Morrow from service because he

needed him so much.

> Kay - Y'oughta get a DVD copy from the video library. ;)

<Kay Lhota> wow.

<Barbara> Did they do it?

> Barbara - Nope. Morrow was drafted and the new writers came in September. But note that Ed Beloin was still

hanging around for at least a year.

<Kay Lhota> How old was Ed Beloin in 1943?

<Brad from Georgia> That's a shame. And Jack and General Washington went so far back, too.

<Barbara> I didn't think the army was that compassionate.

> So when I'm asked if Jack was tired of Morrow-Beloin and that's why he changed, I know it wasn't!

> Brad - har har

> Kay - Ah...good question. Not sure. IMDB may have a birthdate for him.

<Barbara> The show did have a different flavor with them than the 4 who started in Sept.

<Brad from Georgia> You know, that particular show seemed a little, I don't know, stale or something. Maybe it was

time for new writers!

<Kay Lhota> I was wondering if maybe he was older, or had health issues that classified him as 4-f or whatever

> September 1, 1910 - Ed Beloin birth. So he would have been 32 when Morrow was drafted.

> Barbara - It did, but can you characterize it?

<Barbara> I thought the bit with the horse and carriage was a little corny. I wouldn't think even Jack would go that far.

<Brad from Georgia> And the draft cut off at 36 back then.

> Well, remember that Jack got Leona from Andy Devine because he'd donated the Maxwell to the scrap drive.

<Brad from Georgia> Barbara-I agree. The crazy visual jokes (she's got her legs crossed again) didn't QUITE seem to

come off to me.

<Kay Lhota> I have to listen to more episodes from during this period. I'm way behind.

<william p> im glad they salvaged the horn from the maxwell.. and i guess the maxwell came back form thescrappile

eventually too

> I know Beloin was married...I'll have to ask his son when he was born. That may have made him lower on the draft

pick.

<Barbara> I had forgotten that, but it still seemed a little out of character for him. Can you imagine Mary getting in the

buggy?

<Kay Lhota> Although, I have heard a lot from the winter of 42/43 on to the end of the season, and begining of 43

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Any chance of our discussing the Jack Benny "Man Who Came to Dinner" in Dec?

> Morrow was the basis for Phil Harris' character because he was a run-around hard drinker. Open season for the

draft.

<Maxwell> They did have some priorities for the draft. Single men went first....

> Bill - Yes, I'm still tracking for an exact date on that. Jack gets a car later, but it's not referred to as the Maxwell.

<Maxwell> But by later in the war, just about anybody was going in unless they were REALLY 4-F.

<Kay Lhota> so, Ed Beloin may not have been as high on the list for the draft because he was married

<william p> i guess horse drawn carriages , ice and milk wagons etc prevailed at least beyond ww2.. maybe thats why

it seems more remote now

> Brad - Sure...go for it!

<Barbara> Beloin wore glasses so maybe he didn't see good.

<Brad from Georgia> I don't even remember horses and wagons on the public streets, and I'm old. I do remember the

goat man, though. Had a wagon pulled by goats.

<Barbara> I liked Phil's Mr. 5 by 5.

> Bill - I recently watched "Anatomy of a Murder" and an early scene shows someone getting a bottle of milk from the

front stoop.

<william p> my dad drove an ice wagon in hs in southern indiana

<Kay Lhota> Yes, that song was a really nice performance by Phil.

<Maxwell> Anybody know who wrote that song/

<Brad from Georgia> I delivered milk from door to door when I was in high school. Had to get up at three AM!

<Maxwell> ?

> I'm sure I've got the sheet music, but not handy.

<Barbara> Wow, Brad!

> Gee Brad, you must be REALLY OLD. ;)

<william p> i hear the home delivery dairies have made somewhat of a comeback past ten years

<william p> not by horseback tho.. lol

<Maxwell> First thing I thought of with that title was Jimmy Rushing.

<Barbara> Roch made a goof, didn't he? It got a big laugh.

<Kay Lhota> We had milk delivered by truck in the mid 1960's.

<Brad from Georgia> Was that a goof? Here's the boss, Jack--er, jack, Boss

<william p> we even had potato chips del by truck

<Maxwell> I remember having milk delivered by truck in the '50s some time.

> Don Raye and Gene DePaul - writers of Mister Five by Five

<Kay Lhota> from the way that the audience laughed, it sounded like a flub

> Barbara - Here's the boss, Jack!

> Maybe the only time Roch got to call Jack by name!

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Brad from Georgia> I was delivering milk in the sixties. We also had an old school bus that came around as a rolling

convenience store--something left over from WWII!

<Maxwell> Now all I need to know is who took the sax solo on the song. (When you're a jazz fan, you have to know

this stuff.)

<Barbara> I asked George Balzer what Rochester called Jack in real life. He didn't recall him calling him anything.

> Maxwell - I hear that. Unfortunately, I don't know who played sax in Phil's band.

<Kay Lhota> Laura, I know that the next to last song is "Love Is a Song" from BAMBI, but what is the last song after

the Grape Nuts commercial?

<Brad from Georgia> I googled "Mr. Five by Five" and learned the nickname apparently applied to the muscian Jimmy

Rishing.

<Maxwell> The tone sounded weird, but that may have just been the quality of the recording.

> Piano, drums, clarinet, guitar, violin, yes. Sax, no.

> Kay - Checking...

<Maxwell> Rushing...great blues singer.

<william p> laura, did phil have a "real" band of his to take on the road after he joined the benny cast?

<Maxwell> Sang for years with Basie in the '30s and '40s.

<william p> or did he just front other peoples bands or pick up outfits

> Kay - I don't have that one pegged. They play "This is the Army/Gobs of Love" before "Love is a Song". Generally,

they'll reprise the last song.

<Kay Lhota> Yes, I noticed that it sounded different after the commercial, but I couldn't identify it.

> Bill - I know he still toured and played at places like the Hollywood Bowl after joining Jack's show, and it was his

band.

<Brad from Georgia> Heh..I just discovered that "Five by Five" is "a saying in the Buffyverse" and the writer tracked it

back to the song.

> Bill - Phil will talk occasionally about playing various places in the 1930s.

> Brad - Buffyverse?

[Sun Nov 06 17:25:34 GMT-08:00 2005] Fred Allen:

<william p> i knew he toured.. i just didnt know if it was his own real orchestra or not.. wasnt the real music director

on the benny show maylon merrick or something like that

[Sun Nov 06 17:25:49 GMT-08:00 2005] Roger:

<Maxwell> Mahlon Merrick.

<william p> at least on the west coast after the thirties

> Uh oh...it's Fred Allen!

> Hi Roger!

<Maxwell> Hi Roger

<Roger> Hi Laura & gang

> Bill - Yeah, what Maxwell said.

<william p> i have some remotes from the thirties.. like the coconut grove

<Fred Allen> Greetings from myself and Portland

> Bill - You'll even hear him speak on a few shows.

<william p> and he played drums at the hermitage hotel in nashville as a kid with francis craig

<Barbara> How are things in Boston, Fred?

<Maxwell> Phil also made records as "Phil Harris and his Orchestra," too.

<Maxwell> Hey Fred...missed your entrance there.

> Phil was making records into the 40s.

<Brad from Georgia> LL--the Buffyverse is what Joss Weedon (sp?) created as the background for "Buffy the Vampire

Slayer."

<Barbara> I think Phil had his own orchestra at one time, but it wasn't his on the Benny show.

> Barbara - There were a number of players who continued from the original band, like Frankie.

<Brad from Georgia> I've never even seen a complete episode of Buffy, though my wife is a big fan and has met a

number of the Buffy actors.

<Kay Lhota> oh, I see.

<Maxwell> The term 5 x 5 in WWII slang ("Everything's 5 x 5) meant the same as A-OK in astronaut speak.

<Barbara> Good ol' Rem.

> Brad - Ah, got it. Haven't seen the show, either. But I hear it's good.

<Maxwell> Rushing was known as Mr. 5 x 5 because he was short and port-ly.

> Hey Barbara, tell about your recent research excursion.

<Brad from Georgia> Eh, I just never cared for vampires (though one of my novels was about them).

<Kay Lhota> I've got a tape of Phil Harris's orchestra from 1935, with Leah Ray as the vocalist on the song "Fit As a

Fiddle"

<Maxwell> And ready for love....

<Brad from Georgia> Dignity, Maxwell...always dignity.

<william p> i have more band remotes than dramatic programs i think.. well maybe not

<Kay Lhota> I can jump over the moon up above

<william p> alot of em tho

<Fred Allen> Ah, the weather in Boston is great Barbara.

<Barbara> I went to the Boston public library in the rain and read the material from Julius Sinykin and also the

naughty letters from Jack to Frank Remley. Did you get my article, Laura?

> I think someone sent me an early radio show with Phil Harris pre-Benny.

> Kay - Which was the number you wanted again?

<william p> man, you all have been talking bout those letters since waukegan years ago.. lol

<Barbara> If you didn't know better, you'd think there were 2 Jack Bennys, right Laura?

<Kay Lhota> Love Is a song, and the next song during the closing

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, was Jack working blue in the letters?

> No, I can't place it. If it was indicated in the script, I'd have it in the database.

<Kay Lhota> It didn't sound like "Love Is a Song" as they came back from Don's Grape Nuts commercial

> Barbara - There was a bit on the show about that...Jack not being able to decide between the 10 cent and 25 cent

cigar.

<Kay Lhota> I thought I did pretty good to identify "Love Is a Song"

> Barbara - Your article?

> Brad - Sure was.

<Barbara> I'm not sure what the cigar connection is, Laura. I do remember the bit, tho.. I sent an article about the

letters. Maybe it didn't come yet.

> Kay - Yes, it's much more up-tempo that you normally hear it.

<Brad from Georgia> I dunno. Dennis Day and Dorothy Lamour...it boggles the mind.

> Barbara - No, I haven't seen it. Did you mail or E-mail it?

<Barbara> Snail mail along with my dues.

> Brad - Have you heard the show on which she appeared and supposedly explained that?

<Brad from Georgia> LL--Not yet!

> Barbara - Ah, that's why I don't have it yet. I'm letting the dues build up for a little while and then process en masse.

> Brad - Lamour says that Dennis has S-A.

<Brad from Georgia> Sounds like a Pinky and the Brain joke: "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so,

Brain, but Dottie Lamour and Dennis Day? I mean, who wears the sarong?"

<Barbara> Is that sex appeal?

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Brad - It's pretty funny, and the kind of exchange Jack has with a number of actresses on different shows over time.

> Barbara - Yup.

<Brad from Georgia> S.A. is "it."

> Just ask Clara Bow

<Brad from Georgia> Take a Bow, Clara.

<Barbara> He must have. He had 11 kids.

> Not such a silly kid.

<Kay Lhota> nope

<william p> man, to have 11 kids id have to marry 11 pregnant women!

<Maxwell> What did he say in the show? Something like, "I'm stupid. I can get away with a lot."

<Barbara> That's why they didn't use Dennis much on TV. He didn't look like a silly kid.

<Brad from Georgia> What's the line from "Roger Rabbit"? "What's a dame like you see in a guy like him?" "He

makes me laugh1"

<Brad from Georgia> oops--should have ended with laugh!"

> "I'm stupid. I can get away with murder!"

<Maxwell> Yeah...that's it!

<Brad from Georgia> Ooohhhhh, bathing suit!

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Barbara> A man in Utah has 14 wives and 100 kids if that's of any interest.

> Of course he's in Utah!

<Maxwell> My great-grandmother had 14 kids.

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, think of the size of his...tax refund!

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

> Har har

<Maxwell> Started when she was 16.

<william p> he got my quota

<Barbara> I'm glad you said tax refund, Brad.

> Bill - And mine

<Barbara> How many husbands, Max?

<Brad from Georgia> Just thinking like Jack, Barbara!

<Maxwell> One.

> They used to say "Catholic or careless", but perhaps the expression needs to be expanded.

<Maxwell> The story was she had 6 before she found out from my great-grandfather why she was having so many of

them.

> Ah censorship.

<Brad from Georgia> Anyone know the old Irish joke that ends, "Doctor, do ye think it's the light that's attracting

them?"

> With Phil singing, I couldn't remember if Dennis was on this show.

<Barbara> Who is the country western singer who had 4 kids at the age of 18 and was a grandmother at 29?

<Maxwell> Loretta Lynn?

> Loretta Lynn.

> Who also has a son named Jack Benny Lynn.

<Fred Allen> probably Loretta Lynn

<Fred Allen> That died

<Barbara> Dennis didn't want to get into the buggy, but Jack said he had to.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, the kid had already taken his seasick pills....

> There was some good orchestration under Jack getting anxious about 6:00 price changes.

<Kay Lhota> yes, that was interesting.

> Building the suspense. Not something they did a lot at this time.

<Barbara> The price only went up 21 cents, for heavens sake.

<Maxwell> The problem was that the punch line was kind of a thud.

> But remember, this was 1942.

<Maxwell> "I'll probably see it 50 times anyway."

<Brad from Georgia> Maxwell--I agree. The bit didn't quite work, and I think it went on a little too long.

> Maxwell - True, but the chaos of the situation was something that they used to end a lot of sequences.

> Like when Jack is Christmas shopping and ends up at the center of a scene and storming out of the store.

> Makes you wonder how Jack was able to do so much yelling and not blow his voice for the second performance.

<Maxwell> Lots of lemon juice?

<william p> there were alot of skits that sort of ran out unresolved.. were they scripted that way or did they run out of

time

<Brad from Georgia> At least once the show just faded out, so far overtime that the network cut it.

<Barbara> They did run out of time occasionally which made Jack quite angry.

> Bill - Generally they were scripted that way. The punch line is usually along the lines of "Oh, I'm going home" as in

this sequence.

<william p> wasnt that kind of his fault?

<Brad from Georgia> Barbara-At whom was Jack angry? The cast, the director, or the network?

<william p> well, the cast anyway

> Brad - I heard them cut a closing commercial once. And hearing the announcers hurrying their lines.

<Barbara> At Hicky Marks when he was producer.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, ANYONE could get mad at Hicky.

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Yes, it was really Hickey's responsibility to keep things on time.

> Brad - And often did.

<william p> i need some malty goodness of hot grapenuts flakes tomorrow

<Brad from Georgia> Seriously, though, lots of times late in the season Jack seemed to get very relaxed and loose,

not seeming to mind if they ad libbed a lot.

> Bill - Smear a little Jell-O on top.

<Maxwell> I thought at first Don was saying "moldy."

<Barbara> It would be hard to do, tho, since you didn't know which jokes would get longer laughs.

> Barbara - But they did do trimming for rebroadcast based on the audience reaction first time through. And I think the

rehearsal had an audience as well.

<Barbara> Hickey went into real estate--probably less pressure.

<Brad from Georgia> I got to walk on the stage of the Fitzgerald Theater once and saw Garrison Keillor's secret for

timing: a digital clock built into the floor!

> I'm not going to give credit on this quote, since it's so dishy...

> "The good news is that Hickey had a heart attack. The bad news is he's still alive!"

<william p> do the original scripts have any time check type references?

> Brad - That's pretty good.

<Barbara> I don't recall an audience for rehearsal from 1951 on, Laura.

<Brad from Georgia> Going to tape must have made everyone breathe a lot easier in radio. 'Course the good kind of

radio was dying by then.

> Bill - Not Jack's. However, there are some onion-skin carbons I've seen that do have approximate timing of the show.

I just don't look at them a lot because I prefer Jack's notes in his own script.

<Barbara> Jack sometimes asked the cast if they needed another rehearsal. Mary would say, "The only one who

needs another rehearsal is you, Jack.

> Barbara - Thing is, there are recordings of some show rehearsals from the 50s. Thoughts?

<Brad from Georgia> And Jack would complain on the air, "One LOUSY rehearsal--that's ALL I ask of them!"

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Jack never wanted to over-rehearse the show for fear of it sounding too forced.

<Barbara> I didn't know there were recordings of some rehearsals, Laura. You talking about radio?

<Brad from Georgia> Geez Louise, I work occasionally with the Atlanta Radio Theatre, and I hate going on cold (as I

have twice when an actor didn't show up on time).

> Barbara - Yep. I've heard a couple and know more to exist.

<william p> thats what many of the actors say, i think in the era they just wanted more time to play golf

<Barbara> That's a new one on me.

> Brad - I had to do that in a stage play once. It was terrible. I kept a copy of the script behind a Jack Benny book I

carried.

<Brad from Georgia> Yeah, I felt like Dennis at a Mensa convention.

<Maxwell> Good line Brad!

> Barbara - Contact me off line and I'll see if I can hook you up with one of those recordings.

> Brad - I was throwing script pages behind the set. I'm sure it looked like crap.

<Barbara> Sounds good, Laura. I'm trying to think of a way for us to get together again.

<Brad from Georgia> At least with radio, you just stand there with your thumb in your script.

> Barbara - Hopefully I'll get to SoCal for research one of these days.

<Barbara> I hope so. I have a few choice quotes for you.

<Brad from Georgia> We did a live performance at Atlanta's Stone Mountain Park for Halloween, btw. I played a

Martian.

> Brad - Not from Plan X?

> Plan X = Suspense show where Jack played a martian.

<Brad from Georgia> No, but my voice was an approximation of Mel's Marvin!

<Barbara> The Margaret Herrick library has most of the scripts from Jack's movies that are fun to look at.

> OK, so here's a question for the room.

<Maxwell> Uh-oh....

<Brad from Georgia> Yessss?

> On the Forum it was recently observed that people were disappointed in movies where Jack didn't play "himself".

<Maxwell> Is this for a grade?

> But...

> I have never met anyone who didn't like "To Be or Not To Be". And Jack also was in multiple Suspense shows, and I

think he did a darn good job in those.

> Why does "Jack not Jack" work in selected instances but not in others?

<Brad from Georgia> Preach it, LL! And let's not forget "Charley's Aunt."

<Fred Allen> I'd like to forget Charley's Aunt

<Maxwell> Well, you know what I think about The Horn Blows at Midnight.

> Barbara - Cool! I'll have to check that out.

<Maxwell> The ending was physical comedy...not Jack. Up until then, it's very good.

<Brad from Georgia> My son is calling...from Hawaii, the rat.

> Maxwell - Yes, that's part of what I think made the radio version so much better. I was talking about that last week

on YUSA.

<Kay Lhota> I've never seen all of "Charley's Aunt" so I can't say.

<Barbara> I don't think Jack was ever able to completely divorce himself from himself. When I saw him playing another

character, I still thought that deep down it's Jack Benny.

> Brad - Reverse the charges?

<Maxwell> I haven't seen Charley's Aunt in years.

> Kay - If you've seen part of it, you've seen all of it.

<Brad from Georgia> He's telling me he swam with four sea turtles today. And he's calling on his nickel!

> If you don't sea turtles every night, you can't sea turtles at all.

<Kay Lhota> Okay, then. Kay Francis cuddling up to Jack was an adorable part of the movie!

<Fred Allen> Tell him I have a recipe for turtle soup

<Maxwell> I saw George Washington Slept Here recently for the first time in years...I liked it.

<Kay Lhota> I like some of the movies of Jack Benny's very much.

<Brad from Georgia> LL--when we were having lunch with the Carrolls, I asked the waitress, "How's the sea bass

today?"

<Barbara> That was not my favorite of Jack's movies. It seems all he did was run around.

> Brad - And did Eddie give you the response?

> Anyone here a fan of "Man About Town"?

<Barbara> I liked it.

<Kay Lhota> I love "Buck Benny Rides Again" and I have a soft spot for "The Horn Blows at Midnight" because of the

fantasy elements

<Maxwell> Mr. Blanding Builds His Dream House was a better movie with the same plot.

<Brad from Georgia> I liked JB in "George Washington Slept Here," and it's one of my mom's favorite movies.

<william p> listen, it has been fun tonite.. i am sorry i have missed so many this year but its time to go warm up the

old atwater in the parlor

> Has anyone read the script of the stage play "GWSH"?

<Maxwell> So long, Doc.

<william p> nite

<Brad from Georgia> So long, Doc!

> Take care, Bill! Stay in touch.

<Maxwell> Nope.

<Barbara> The house in George Washington.....was the same house seen in Arsenic and Old Lace.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Didn't Jack reverse the main roles in GWSH?

> I've heard that the lead roles--husband and wife--were reversed in the play.

> Brad - Yeah, what you said.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-That is true. I have seen the original script.

> Barbara - Literally the same house? Same set?

<Kay Lhota> yes, in the original play the wife had the funny lines, and they were parents

> Brad - Do you remember how, if at all, the play and movie differ?

<Kay Lhota> I've never read it though.

<Brad from Georgia> Barbara--so one of those guys in the cellar was the Father of Our Country?

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Barbara> The same one with a few alterations. If you see Arsenic, you can tell.

<Fred Allen> Did you know that George Washington's brother is the Uncle of our country??

<Kay Lhota> LOL fred

<Brad from Georgia> LL-The script is much more setbound. It's a one-set show, after all. And the HUSBAND is the

history nut, the wife the one who doesn't want the house.

<Barbara> Warner Bros. was not about to spend big bucks to build another old house.

<Maxwell> I think I'm gonna say Uncle with that one.

> Dang, and I just saw Arsenic a few months ago.

<Barbara> It pops up every so often.
<Laura Leff> Fred - Name wasn't Sam, was it?
<Kay Lhota> TCM is going to run Arsenic and Old Lace tomorrow, I think, Laura.
> I fondly remember a TV version of "Arsenic," starring Boris Karloff.
<Maxwell> Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrge!
<Barbara> Notice the staircase is in the same place.
<Laura Leff> Kay - If I only got TCM. :(
<Laura Leff> Brad - As one of the old ladies?
<Kay Lhota> Oh, I wish you did! TCM is the channel that I have on the most.

> Barbara - OK, yes...

<Maxwell> The biggest problem with the movie of Arsenic was they couldn't get Karloff, and Raymond Massey just

doesn't cut it.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No, thilly. Ath Brother Jonathan.

> Oops...need the last 10 lines E-mailed, please.

<Kay Lhota> Laura, do you want me to tape it for you?

<Fred Allen> It's not uncommon for houses to be re-used. The house on Leave It To Beaver was the same house as

Marcus Welby

> Back to "Dang, and I just saw..."

<Barbara> I'd be lost without it too. My daughter in Lake Tahoe doesn't get it either.

<Fred Allen> The school in Grease was the same as Bye Bye Birdie

> Kay - Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass. I have so much backed up to watch and read, I'm afraid I won't get to it for a

while.

<Barbara> Jack paid for Percy Kilbride to come out to do George Washington......

<Kay Lhota> He paid? Wow! I knew he insisted on Percy Kilbride.

> Kilbride had been appearing on Jack's show as a semi-regular around that time.

> Regulations y'know...regulations!

<Brad from Georgia> Yes, Kilbride was in the original cast. I had an opportunity to buy a Kilbride autograph not long

ago, but I bought Jack's instead! Had to pay cash, and that limited me.

<Kay Lhota> I'm sure that was to promote Percy Kilbride.

> BRB...keep talking...

<Brad from Georgia> So I says to Mabel, I says...

<Brad from Georgia> Son says, "Aloha" from Hawaii. The rat. Stuck us with his two Jack Russell terrorists for a week.

<Barbara> Four score and seven years ago............

<Maxwell> Night and you...and blue Hawaii....

<Maxwell> ba-ba-ba-boooo....

<Brad from Georgia> My son's name, btw, is Jonathan, not Jack.

<Barbara> I'm afraid I have to leave now. My husband wants to eat. Will someone tell Laura I'll talk to her again next

month?

<Maxwell> So long Barbara.

<Brad from Georgia> One of the scripts we did at Stone Mountain was his. I had a part in it. He said, "Dad, play it like

Jonathan Harris...but gay."

<Kay Lhota> Bye Barbara

<Brad from Georgia> So long, Barbara. Gotcha covered.

> See ya Barbara!

<Maxwell> Hey Laura! Barbara had to leave!

> I'm sure Barbara and I will talk sooner than that.

<Brad from Georgia> LL--Barbara says she'll be back next month...for Jell-O.

> Maxwel - Oh, thanks!

<Maxwell> Hey! I've got a question....

<Brad from Georgia> So, anyway, I says, "What do you mean, BUT GAY?"

> Jonathan Harris...is that like Thomas Harris?

> Maxwell - Hey! I may have an answer...

<Brad from Georgia> Jonathan Harris was "Dr. Smith" on Lost in Space...

<Maxwell> Has anybody heard the Nextel radio ad for their business phones where the character of the phone

salesman sounds like Frank Nelson?

> Brad - Ah, got it. Not like Thomas Harris.

<Kay Lhota> no, I haven't.

<Fred Allen> Yes......

> Maxwell - I'll be darned...no. That's what I get for listening to non-commercial radio.

<Maxwell> Ring tones...he wants plenty of ring tones....

<Brad from Georgia> No, but on "Wideo Wabbit," Elmer Fudd's floor manager sounds like him: "Oooooh, will I!"

<Maxwell> (Or something like that)

<Kay Lhota> That was certainly Frank Nelson on Jack's show tonight.

> Can I get a ring tone that says L-S-M-F-T?

> Kay - Of course.

<Brad from Georgia> Heck with that--I want J-E-L-L-O!

<Fred Allen> They have software to create your own ringtones from MP3s

<Maxwell> Be listening for that ad. They guy is a dead voice-ringer for Frank Nelson.

> Brad - I figured I'd let someone else take that one! And pay your respects to Don Bestor every time the phone rings.

<Kay Lhota> It could be Frank Nelson on "Wideo Wabbit" Frank Nelson is in a couple of WB cartoons

> Fred - Cool.

<Brad from Georgia> Kay--actually, I THINK it was Mel doing a Nelson impression.

> I know someone who got the Love In Bloom sheet music from me and programmed it into his ringtone before the 39

Forever convention!

> Brad - What was?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-a character in a Bugs Bunny short, "Wideo Wabbit."

> Brad - Never mind...just put it together.

> Brad - Thought you meant on tonight's show.

<Brad from Georgia> Stan Freberg did Bugs doing Groucho, though. You could tell.

<Kay Lhota> Mel Blanc did impressions, but Frank Nelson is absolutely the voice of the Devil in a Tweety/Sylvester

cartoon

> Frank Nelson sounds like the Devil. Hmmm...

<Brad from Georgia> Kay--Right! I remember that one.

<Kay Lhota> "Welcome, Welcome to You Beat Your Wife?

> I was watching the new Wallace and Gromit movie a couple weeks ago, and couldn't stop giggling at Ralph Fiennes'

Victor Quartermaine. Doing voiceovers is such different acting from live.

<Brad from Georgia> Frank: Go to the asile between G and I. Jack: You could just tell me to go to H! Frank: Yooou

said it, I didn't!

<Maxwell> Well, this head cold is getting the best of me, so I'm gonna bow out early tonight.

> Kay - Oh, I remember that one.

<Maxwell> I'm tired of sneezing on my monitor.

<Maxwell> So adios until next month!

[Sun Nov 06 18:09:35 GMT-08:00 2005] Disconnected. Close VolanoChat and restart.

 

> Geez...how did Maxwell kick ME off?

<Brad from Georgia> Kay, LL--we loved the Wallace and Gromit movie, too! So many references to old Hammer

horror movies!

<Fred Allen> And then there were 4

<Brad from Georgia> We could play bridge if we had a dummy. Too bad Dennis isn't here.

> Brad - And plenty of references for deep and devoted W&G fans like myself.

<Kay Lhota> It's my favorite of the Wallace and Gromits

> Kay - the new movie?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Did you catch the impossibly cute photo of Gromit as a puppy?

<Kay Lhota> yes

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Brad - Is it in the opening?

> "The Wrong Trousers" is still my favorite.

<Kay Lhota> there was so much in that film that I want to see it again soon

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Yes, in a very Hitchcockian pan across the wall.

> Oh, I'll see it again about a thousand times to pick up on all the little nuances.

> Brad - You know, I didn't even think of Hitchcock on that pan, but now that you mention it....!

<Brad from Georgia> Loved the Constable: "It's a case of arson!" Crowd: "Arson?" Constable: "Yes, someone's

arsin' around!"

> There's tons of very British stuff like the "Smug" refrigerator instead of "Smeg" brand.

<Kay Lhota> the first one I saw was "A Close Shave" and it left me a little cold. The others were funny, but the

new feature got me solid!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I think it's a tribute to the opening pan of "Rear Window," myself.

<Brad from Georgia> I liked "Chicken Run," too!

> Brad - Hmmm...I'd have to see that again.

> Oh yes, I'm a fan of all things Nick Park.

> Has nothing to do with Jack, but I'm interested to see that everyone (except for Fred Allen) is clearly in tune

with it.

> Sorry, Fred.

<Brad from Georgia> I wonder what "Rear Window" would have been like if Hitch had cast Jack instead of Jimmy

Stewart....

> So how about this stamp thing, huh?

<Fred Allen> Chicken run, the movie where all the characters have foreign accents except the main character

played by Mel Gibson, who's an Australian, and he has an american accent

<Brad from Georgia> I think Jack Benny MUST be on the thirty-nine cent stamp.

> Brad - The mind boggles. Would we recast Grace Kelly too?

> Fred - Sort of like British rock groups who sing with no accent.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, what's Dottie Lamour doing? Don't tell me, I know: rowing in a canoe with Dennis!

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Or doing SOMETHING in a canoe with Dennis...

> Let's see...Grace Kelly...maybe Barbara Stanwyck?

<Brad from Georgia> "Lookit, I KNOW Raymond Burr murdered his wife! Hmmm...we just have to TRAP him

somehow..."

<Brad from Georgia> And of course, Fred Allen could play Raymond Burr....

> Oh, I like that.

> Jack could use the wheelchair from "The Man Who Came to Dinner"

<Fred Allen> No, Robert Blake can play him

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Good one.

<Brad from Georgia> OOOHHH! That's NASty. I like it.

> I just watched "Chicago" last night, and that's in keeping.

<Brad from Georgia> Toddlin town.

<Kay Lhota> Well, Robert Blake was Junior in "The Horn Blows at Midnight"

> I oughta try and interview him about that one of these days.

<Brad from Georgia> Snarky comment deleted on maturer judgment....

> Back to the stamp campaign, I'm really delighted that I've gotten over 100 signatures on the Web and E-mail in

just two hours.

<Kay Lhota> I wonder what he'd remember, and if he'd keep the language clean

<Brad from Georgia> I'll sign up as soon as the chat's over.

> I run the newsletter...I can always clean it up for the kiddies.

<Fred Allen> He'd probably like to break from not talking about his case

<Brad from Georgia> Hey, has anyone on the forum responded to my challenge yet?

> Brad - Dunno specifically. I've been handing all the stamp campaign responses this afternoon.

<Brad from Georgia> Well--it seems to work for Public Radio campaigns...

> Brad - But I do appreciate the plug! Sometimes people forget.

> Brad - That's just it. I was laying in bed last night thinking about how we can get the biggest bang for the

campaign.

> And I figured, "Hey, let's put the spam factor to use for us."

<Brad from Georgia> Laura, sincerely, you do a great job with the newsletter. It deserves a wide circulation.

> People seem to like signing and forwarding things, so let them do that.

> Brad - Thanks very much. I only get partial credit for it, because so much material comes from the

membership. And it sounds like I've got an article from Barbara on the way...

<Brad from Georgia> Heh--"Dear friend: I used to be the chief financial officer of Nigeria, but what of that. I want

to talk to you about a stamp."

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

> But putting together the bound back issues was a real rockin' experience.

> Brad - LOL

> Now if I could only get one of Nigeria's E-mail lists!

> Or Sierra Leone.

<Fred Allen> They made a stamp with my photo on it, and people kept spitting on the wrong side of the stamp!

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Oh, that's an old Nixon joke!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Or lately the Irish sweepstakes! I keep winning, and I've never even entered.

> Brad - I loved it when I got a notification purporting to be from a former employer (Vodafone) saying I'd won their

contest.

> Maybe we should offer a stamp and phenteremine or viagra.

<Brad from Georgia> Dennis Day: I'll work for him, I'll sing for him, but I draw the line at licking the back side of

Mr. Benny.

> Brad - With self-adhesive stamps, problem solved.

<Brad from Georgia> That would be Jack's line-- Kid, the things are self-adhesive!

> Hopefully no one's noticed that a few weeks ago, the Forum was getting pummelled with phenteremine and

online gambling accounts. Had to delete 2-3 per day.

<Kay Lhota> yeesh, thank you for cleaning that mess out!

> Finally I figured out how to bar those domains.

<Kay Lhota> that's awful, Laura!

> At least it's not some of the worse stuff that was hitting the old bulletin board. Yick.

<Brad from Georgia> We get those at school all the time. Plus credit card companies that I don't even have

cards from keep wanting my bank account number. So I give them Jack's.

> Brad - Oh yeah, 2?

<Brad from Georgia> He opened ANOTHER oen?

> Oh right, that was Jack's Social Security Number.

<Brad from Georgia> oops--one

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Brad from Georgia> Joke from an old MAD: "Mein name is Adolf Hitler. Mein rank is Fuehrer. Und mein serial

number is 'Vun.'"

> Oh and for pure and unashamed self-promotion, I have a business book just out that's available through

www.goodvendor.net.

<Brad from Georgia> What is it, Laura?

> Brad - It's called "Looking for Mr. Goodvendor" and is about corporate vendor selection and management. And

yes, there's a Benny reference in there.

> I couldn't write a book on ANY subject without mentioning Jack at least once.

> Brad - I'm reading a 1958 Mad right now. Just read the Danny Kaye and Ernie Kovacs columns.

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I should have put a Benny ref in the King Kong novel I did with Joe DeVito! It was set

in 1932-33.

<Kay Lhota> Oh, that's a nice issue.

> Brad - You certainly could have. That new radio upstart, Jack Benny.

> Kay - You have it?

<Kay Lhota> My favorite MAD of that period is from 1959 and has a Sid Caesar/Edward R. Murrow spoof

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I was broadcasting the other night, and no one HEARD it. Some big ape stole the

spotlight.

> Kay - Oh, I haven't gotten to that yet!

<Kay Lhota> I either have it, or I have it on the MAD CD ROM set.

> Brad - Funny you mention that, as I just bought a photo of the cast of Paul Whiteman's show protesting Jack.

<Brad from Georgia> My friend Bill Ritch has absolutely every MAD comic, magazine, book, or acetate record

ever made.

> Whiteman and Jack's rebroadcast from New York were on at the same time, and Whiteman kept losing his

audience then!

> Brad - My friend Joe Ross is in the same category!

<Kay Lhota> Holey Smoke. I don't have anything like complete, but I do have some rare issues and stuff

<Brad from Georgia> The Atlanta Radio Theater rehearses in Bill's basement studio--so I read MAD in between

appearances at the microphone!

> I bought this issue on a whim at a SPERDVAC convention. I have others from the late 60s-early 70s...about a

banker's box full.

[Sun Nov 06 18:29:27 GMT-08:00 2005] Mike Amo: Am I online?

> Hi Mike!

> You are now...

<Kay Lhota> Hi Mike

<Mike Amo> Good heavens! I made it

<Brad from Georgia> I have some old PLAYBOYS from the sixties. I don't remember how I got them. But there's

lots of the sixties I don't remember.

<Mike Amo> How did that happen?

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

<Brad from Georgia> Hello, Mike!

> Brad - I, well, happen to have one of those as well.

> I also have a copy of Penthouse with George Burns on the cover.

> Mike - As you can see, you came in at a good time.

<Brad from Georgia> And Gracie in the foldout?

<Mike Amo> I emailed you LL, my computer died twice trying to get in here...

<Mike Amo> Apparently so

> Brad - A little after Gracie's time. But I have Tijuana Bibles with Gracie.

<Fred Allen> The one with Burns on the conver is the one with Vanessa Williams in it

<Brad from Georgia> Yeah, we're just getting to the blue stuff.

> Bluer that Jack's eyes.

<Mike Amo> What a relief...I needed something good to happen today...and blue will help...you haven't heard my

monologue here ...well, "conversation" with my computer 0{;OD

> Fred - I haven't looked at it in a long time...I know it's not Williams with Burns on the cover!

<Fred Allen> That's the one I have with the 2 of them on the cover

> Mike - I'm sure I could give your conversation a run for its money. I've been struggling with my DVD burning

software for nearly three weeks and it's still not working properly.

> Fred - Burns and Williams?

<Brad from Georgia> I think I have the PLAYBOY with the John Wayne interview: "The Indians deserved to die for

stubbornly refusing to share the land."

> Brad - Whoa! Did he really say that?

<Fred Allen> Yes, it's when they found the nude photos after she won Miss America

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I paraphrase, but those are his sentiments.

<Mike Amo> I remember George being on the cover of Penthouse...how did y'all wander into this topic...was

Jack in Playboy in the 60s?

> Brad - Ah, what a fine American. OK, I'm not going to share my politics here...

<Brad from Georgia> Jack wasn't in Playboy even in the thirties.

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Mike - No, talking about Mad Magazines from the 50s-60s, then Playboy, then...

> Fred - Maybe George Burns was on the cover more than once. My issue is from about 1991.

<Kay Lhota> I do remember reading the Groucho Marx and Mae West Playboy interviews

<Brad from Georgia> I do remember Jack's occasional magazine appearances when he was endorsing various

products in the sixties and seventies.

> A Groucho Marx Playboy interview! That must have been priceless.

<Mike Amo> Oh, I've got Mad Magazine from 1965 to about 1974

<Kay Lhota> I wish I kept it.

<Brad from Georgia> Very first MAD I ever bought had the composition-book cover.

> There's a Groucho reference in my 1958 Mad.

> When I was a kid, MAD was something that only the "mean boys" in school had. It was the equivalent of the

cards and stickers that showed nasty take-offs on various products.

> But now I've learned to appreciate it.

<Brad from Georgia> Oh, I'm reading a bio of Gregory Peck. Says that he and Jack became good friends only

after the Burns/Peck/Benny dance routine late in Jack's career!

<Mike Amo> I have always appreciated the Stooges

<Kay Lhota> I was reading MAD from the mid 1960's on

> Brad - Oh, on Jack Benny's New Look!

<Kay Lhota> and I collected a few used copies of earlier MADs and a few of the books

<Mike Amo> And Jack, Fred, and Johnny Carson

> Peck was at Jack's house when he died. Jack, that is.

<Brad from Georgia> Right! though Peck and Jack worked together before. Jack said, "He's great. I get tired of

rehearsing and go home and he stays."

<Kay Lhota> Gregory Peck would have guested on the 3rd Farewell special

> Right.

<Brad from Georgia> One of Peck's classmates appeared with him in "To Kill a Mockingbird" as Walter

Cunningham.

> Brad - Did I tell you about the script I have for "New Look" and the punch line to the scene where all the tall

people surround Jack?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No--what is it?

<Kay Lhota> wow--do tell!

> Well, there are very few notes in that script. But that particular line that came out something like, "I feel like I'm

in the Valley of the Dolls" had about five rewrites to it.

> To jump back to Mockingbird, I have to recommend the current movie "Capote". There's a significant tie-in.

> And I've loved Brock Peters for some time, and just recently saw him in "The Pawnbroker". Quite a movie. Love

Sidney Lumet.

<Brad from Georgia> Ah, yes. Truman's cousin wrote Mockingbird, and served as his secretary for a while.

> Brad - Right. And travelled with him to Kansas in researching "In Cold Blood".

<Brad from Georgia> In fact, I used to teach with the English teacher who discovered the Clutter bodies.

> That and "Good Night, and Good Luck". Both very, very good movies.

<Brad from Georgia> And my agent used to--may still--represent Harper Lee.

> Brad - Holy cow! No kidding!

<Brad from Georgia> You know, Truman Capote was the model for Dill in "Mockingbird."

> Really? I don't remember that specific character...have to see the movie again.

<Brad from Georgia> No kidding, Laura. In Capote's book, my teaching friend is referred to as looking like Ernest

Hemingway. He did, a little.

<Brad from Georgia> Dill is the weird little kid who visits in the summers.

> Brad - OK, that makes sense.

 

> Geez...how did Maxwell kick ME off?

<Brad from Georgia> Kay, LL--we loved the Wallace and Gromit movie, too! So many references to old Hammer

horror movies!

<Fred Allen> And then there were 4

<Brad from Georgia> We could play bridge if we had a dummy. Too bad Dennis isn't here.

> Brad - And plenty of references for deep and devoted W&G fans like myself.

<Kay Lhota> It's my favorite of the Wallace and Gromits

> Kay - the new movie?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Did you catch the impossibly cute photo of Gromit as a puppy?

<Kay Lhota> yes

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Brad - Is it in the opening?

> "The Wrong Trousers" is still my favorite.

<Kay Lhota> there was so much in that film that I want to see it again soon

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Yes, in a very Hitchcockian pan across the wall.

> Oh, I'll see it again about a thousand times to pick up on all the little nuances.

> Brad - You know, I didn't even think of Hitchcock on that pan, but now that you mention it....!

<Brad from Georgia> Loved the Constable: "It's a case of arson!" Crowd: "Arson?" Constable: "Yes, someone's

arsin' around!"

> There's tons of very British stuff like the "Smug" refrigerator instead of "Smeg" brand.

<Kay Lhota> the first one I saw was "A Close Shave" and it left me a little cold. The others were funny, but the

new feature got me solid!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I think it's a tribute to the opening pan of "Rear Window," myself.

<Brad from Georgia> I liked "Chicken Run," too!

> Brad - Hmmm...I'd have to see that again.

> Oh yes, I'm a fan of all things Nick Park.

> Has nothing to do with Jack, but I'm interested to see that everyone (except for Fred Allen) is clearly in tune

with it.

> Sorry, Fred.

<Brad from Georgia> I wonder what "Rear Window" would have been like if Hitch had cast Jack instead of Jimmy

Stewart....

> So how about this stamp thing, huh?

<Fred Allen> Chicken run, the movie where all the characters have foreign accents except the main character

played by Mel Gibson, who's an Australian, and he has an american accent

<Brad from Georgia> I think Jack Benny MUST be on the thirty-nine cent stamp.

> Brad - The mind boggles. Would we recast Grace Kelly too?

> Fred - Sort of like British rock groups who sing with no accent.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, what's Dottie Lamour doing? Don't tell me, I know: rowing in a canoe with Dennis!

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Or doing SOMETHING in a canoe with Dennis...

> Let's see...Grace Kelly...maybe Barbara Stanwyck?

<Brad from Georgia> "Lookit, I KNOW Raymond Burr murdered his wife! Hmmm...we just have to TRAP him

somehow..."

<Brad from Georgia> And of course, Fred Allen could play Raymond Burr....

> Oh, I like that.

> Jack could use the wheelchair from "The Man Who Came to Dinner"

<Fred Allen> No, Robert Blake can play him

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Good one.

<Brad from Georgia> OOOHHH! That's NASty. I like it.

> I just watched "Chicago" last night, and that's in keeping.

<Brad from Georgia> Toddlin town.

<Kay Lhota> Well, Robert Blake was Junior in "The Horn Blows at Midnight"

> I oughta try and interview him about that one of these days.

<Brad from Georgia> Snarky comment deleted on maturer judgment....

> Back to the stamp campaign, I'm really delighted that I've gotten over 100 signatures on the Web and E-mail in

just two hours.

<Kay Lhota> I wonder what he'd remember, and if he'd keep the language clean

<Brad from Georgia> I'll sign up as soon as the chat's over.

> I run the newsletter...I can always clean it up for the kiddies.

<Fred Allen> He'd probably like to break from not talking about his case

<Brad from Georgia> Hey, has anyone on the forum responded to my challenge yet?

> Brad - Dunno specifically. I've been handing all the stamp campaign responses this afternoon.

<Brad from Georgia> Well--it seems to work for Public Radio campaigns...

> Brad - But I do appreciate the plug! Sometimes people forget.

> Brad - That's just it. I was laying in bed last night thinking about how we can get the biggest bang for the

campaign.

> And I figured, "Hey, let's put the spam factor to use for us."

<Brad from Georgia> Laura, sincerely, you do a great job with the newsletter. It deserves a wide circulation.

> People seem to like signing and forwarding things, so let them do that.

> Brad - Thanks very much. I only get partial credit for it, because so much material comes from the

membership. And it sounds like I've got an article from Barbara on the way...

<Brad from Georgia> Heh--"Dear friend: I used to be the chief financial officer of Nigeria, but what of that. I want

to talk to you about a stamp."

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

> But putting together the bound back issues was a real rockin' experience.

> Brad - LOL

> Now if I could only get one of Nigeria's E-mail lists!

> Or Sierra Leone.

<Fred Allen> They made a stamp with my photo on it, and people kept spitting on the wrong side of the stamp!

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Oh, that's an old Nixon joke!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Or lately the Irish sweepstakes! I keep winning, and I've never even entered.

> Brad - I loved it when I got a notification purporting to be from a former employer (Vodafone) saying I'd won their

contest.

> Maybe we should offer a stamp and phenteremine or viagra.

<Brad from Georgia> Dennis Day: I'll work for him, I'll sing for him, but I draw the line at licking the back side of

Mr. Benny.

> Brad - With self-adhesive stamps, problem solved.

<Brad from Georgia> That would be Jack's line-- Kid, the things are self-adhesive!

> Hopefully no one's noticed that a few weeks ago, the Forum was getting pummelled with phenteremine and

online gambling accounts. Had to delete 2-3 per day.

<Kay Lhota> yeesh, thank you for cleaning that mess out!

> Finally I figured out how to bar those domains.

<Kay Lhota> that's awful, Laura!

> At least it's not some of the worse stuff that was hitting the old bulletin board. Yick.

<Brad from Georgia> We get those at school all the time. Plus credit card companies that I don't even have

cards from keep wanting my bank account number. So I give them Jack's.

> Brad - Oh yeah, 2?

<Brad from Georgia> He opened ANOTHER oen?

> Oh right, that was Jack's Social Security Number.

<Brad from Georgia> oops--one

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Brad from Georgia> Joke from an old MAD: "Mein name is Adolf Hitler. Mein rank is Fuehrer. Und mein serial

number is 'Vun.'"

> Oh and for pure and unashamed self-promotion, I have a business book just out that's available through

www.goodvendor.net.

<Brad from Georgia> What is it, Laura?

> Brad - It's called "Looking for Mr. Goodvendor" and is about corporate vendor selection and management. And

yes, there's a Benny reference in there.

> I couldn't write a book on ANY subject without mentioning Jack at least once.

> Brad - I'm reading a 1958 Mad right now. Just read the Danny Kaye and Ernie Kovacs columns.

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I should have put a Benny ref in the King Kong novel I did with Joe DeVito! It was set

in 1932-33.

<Kay Lhota> Oh, that's a nice issue.

> Brad - You certainly could have. That new radio upstart, Jack Benny.

> Kay - You have it?

<Kay Lhota> My favorite MAD of that period is from 1959 and has a Sid Caesar/Edward R. Murrow spoof

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I was broadcasting the other night, and no one HEARD it. Some big ape stole the

spotlight.

> Kay - Oh, I haven't gotten to that yet!

<Kay Lhota> I either have it, or I have it on the MAD CD ROM set.

> Brad - Funny you mention that, as I just bought a photo of the cast of Paul Whiteman's show protesting Jack.

<Brad from Georgia> My friend Bill Ritch has absolutely every MAD comic, magazine, book, or acetate record

ever made.

> Whiteman and Jack's rebroadcast from New York were on at the same time, and Whiteman kept losing his

audience then!

> Brad - My friend Joe Ross is in the same category!

<Kay Lhota> Holey Smoke. I don't have anything like complete, but I do have some rare issues and stuff

<Brad from Georgia> The Atlanta Radio Theater rehearses in Bill's basement studio--so I read MAD in between

appearances at the microphone!

> I bought this issue on a whim at a SPERDVAC convention. I have others from the late 60s-early 70s...about a

banker's box full.

[Sun Nov 06 18:29:27 GMT-08:00 2005] Mike Amo: Am I online?

> Hi Mike!

> You are now...

<Kay Lhota> Hi Mike

<Mike Amo> Good heavens! I made it

<Brad from Georgia> I have some old PLAYBOYS from the sixties. I don't remember how I got them. But there's

lots of the sixties I don't remember.

<Mike Amo> How did that happen?

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

<Brad from Georgia> Hello, Mike!

> Brad - I, well, happen to have one of those as well.

> I also have a copy of Penthouse with George Burns on the cover.

> Mike - As you can see, you came in at a good time.

<Brad from Georgia> And Gracie in the foldout?

<Mike Amo> I emailed you LL, my computer died twice trying to get in here...

<Mike Amo> Apparently so

> Brad - A little after Gracie's time. But I have Tijuana Bibles with Gracie.

<Fred Allen> The one with Burns on the conver is the one with Vanessa Williams in it

<Brad from Georgia> Yeah, we're just getting to the blue stuff.

> Bluer that Jack's eyes.

<Mike Amo> What a relief...I needed something good to happen today...and blue will help...you haven't heard my

monologue here ...well, "conversation" with my computer 0{;OD

> Fred - I haven't looked at it in a long time...I know it's not Williams with Burns on the cover!

<Fred Allen> That's the one I have with the 2 of them on the cover

> Mike - I'm sure I could give your conversation a run for its money. I've been struggling with my DVD burning

software for nearly three weeks and it's still not working properly.

> Fred - Burns and Williams?

<Brad from Georgia> I think I have the PLAYBOY with the John Wayne interview: "The Indians deserved to die for

stubbornly refusing to share the land."

> Brad - Whoa! Did he really say that?

<Fred Allen> Yes, it's when they found the nude photos after she won Miss America

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I paraphrase, but those are his sentiments.

<Mike Amo> I remember George being on the cover of Penthouse...how did y'all wander into this topic...was

Jack in Playboy in the 60s?

> Brad - Ah, what a fine American. OK, I'm not going to share my politics here...

<Brad from Georgia> Jack wasn't in Playboy even in the thirties.

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Mike - No, talking about Mad Magazines from the 50s-60s, then Playboy, then...

> Fred - Maybe George Burns was on the cover more than once. My issue is from about 1991.

<Kay Lhota> I do remember reading the Groucho Marx and Mae West Playboy interviews

<Brad from Georgia> I do remember Jack's occasional magazine appearances when he was endorsing various

products in the sixties and seventies.

> A Groucho Marx Playboy interview! That must have been priceless.

<Mike Amo> Oh, I've got Mad Magazine from 1965 to about 1974

<Kay Lhota> I wish I kept it.

<Brad from Georgia> Very first MAD I ever bought had the composition-book cover.

> There's a Groucho reference in my 1958 Mad.

> When I was a kid, MAD was something that only the "mean boys" in school had. It was the equivalent of the

cards and stickers that showed nasty take-offs on various products.

> But now I've learned to appreciate it.

<Brad from Georgia> Oh, I'm reading a bio of Gregory Peck. Says that he and Jack became good friends only

after the Burns/Peck/Benny dance routine late in Jack's career!

<Mike Amo> I have always appreciated the Stooges

<Kay Lhota> I was reading MAD from the mid 1960's on

> Brad - Oh, on Jack Benny's New Look!

<Kay Lhota> and I collected a few used copies of earlier MADs and a few of the books

<Mike Amo> And Jack, Fred, and Johnny Carson

> Peck was at Jack's house when he died. Jack, that is.

<Brad from Georgia> Right! though Peck and Jack worked together before. Jack said, "He's great. I get tired of

rehearsing and go home and he stays."

<Kay Lhota> Gregory Peck would have guested on the 3rd Farewell special

> Right.

<Brad from Georgia> One of Peck's classmates appeared with him in "To Kill a Mockingbird" as Walter

Cunningham.

> Brad - Did I tell you about the script I have for "New Look" and the punch line to the scene where all the tall

people surround Jack?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No--what is it?

<Kay Lhota> wow--do tell!

> Well, there are very few notes in that script. But that particular line that came out something like, "I feel like I'm

in the Valley of the Dolls" had about five rewrites to it.

> To jump back to Mockingbird, I have to recommend the current movie "Capote". There's a significant tie-in.

> And I've loved Brock Peters for some time, and just recently saw him in "The Pawnbroker". Quite a movie. Love

Sidney Lumet.

<Brad from Georgia> Ah, yes. Truman's cousin wrote Mockingbird, and served as his secretary for a while.

> Brad - Right. And travelled with him to Kansas in researching "In Cold Blood".

<Brad from Georgia> In fact, I used to teach with the English teacher who discovered the Clutter bodies.

> That and "Good Night, and Good Luck". Both very, very good movies.

<Brad from Georgia> And my agent used to--may still--represent Harper Lee.

> Brad - Holy cow! No kidding!

<Brad from Georgia> You know, Truman Capote was the model for Dill in "Mockingbird."

> Really? I don't remember that specific character...have to see the movie again.

<Brad from Georgia> No kidding, Laura. In Capote's book, my teaching friend is referred to as looking like Ernest

Hemingway. He did, a little.

<Brad from Georgia> Dill is the weird little kid who visits in the summers.

> Brad - OK, that makes sense.

<Brad from Georgia> Me, I was the model for Boo Radley. Get it? Boorad from Georgia...?

<Brad from Georgia> No, now I'm being silly.

> Boooooooooo...rad

> Hey Fred/Kay/Mike...still with us?

<Fred Allen> Boooo brad

<Kay Lhota> (Actually Frank) Kay will be back shortly.

<Fred Allen> Yes, I'm looking for stuff on eBay at the same time

> Hey Frank, how's it going?

<Brad from Georgia> No lie, though: I once attended a performance of the "Mockingbird" play and got shot in the

mad-dog scene. The wadding from the blank cartridge burned a hole in my shirt!

<Fred Allen> I'm trying to find a good Joan Fontaine photo for her autograph

> Brad - You could have made a scene and tried for a Tony Award

<Kay Lhota> (Actually Frank) I'm doing OK.

<Brad from Georgia> Fred--I'm matting the Hirschfeld caricature of Jack Benny with my Benny autograph--in a

shadowbox with a tiny violin and radio.

<Kay Lhota> (AF) So how did we get from Jack Benny to Truman Capote again?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I thought of howling like a dog, but I was too busy trying to put out my tie.

> Brad - That must be an awfully big shadowbox to fit a whole radio in there

<Fred Allen> I'm trying to get autographs from alot of the older movie stars while I can (as in while they are still

alive)

<Brad from Georgia> Well, it's a little dollhouse radio, Laura--like about an inch and a half high. A cathedral type.

> Frank - Oh, I segued because we had gone from Greg Peck to To Kill a Mockingbird to Truman Capote based

on the current film "Capote"

<Mike Amo> lol Boorad! Still here LL, just distracted by being at home after 5 hours in traffic...haven't seen any

of the movies yet

> Mike - OK, no problem. Just wanted to make sure we hadn't lost you.

<Brad from Georgia> I'd love to see a movie made of the "backstage" story during a Benny WWII broadcast.

> Brad - I was noticing in "Chicago" that most of their radios are cathedrales, but those didn't come out until after

the era of the movie. Oh well.

<Brad from Georgia> After all, they recently did that with Prairie Home Companion.

> Brad - Has PHC been doing Iraq broadcasts?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-right. Oh, BTW, my mom says I can borrow her nonworking old cathedral radio for Eddie

Carroll's appearance.

> Brad - Very cool! That will work nicely. When's he going to be there?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No, PHC has been fairly nonpolitical this year. Keillor's trying to loosen up a bit, I think.

<Fred Allen> I read where Garrison Keeler is moving out of the theatre he's been broadcasting in

> Again?

> Is he going back to New York?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Eddie performs on March 24 in a theater built in 1894. I'll try to take some photos.

> Brad - Cool...same year as Jack was built.

 

> Geez...how did Maxwell kick ME off?

<Brad from Georgia> Kay, LL--we loved the Wallace and Gromit movie, too! So many references to old Hammer

horror movies!

<Fred Allen> And then there were 4

<Brad from Georgia> We could play bridge if we had a dummy. Too bad Dennis isn't here.

> Brad - And plenty of references for deep and devoted W&G fans like myself.

<Kay Lhota> It's my favorite of the Wallace and Gromits

> Kay - the new movie?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Did you catch the impossibly cute photo of Gromit as a puppy?

<Kay Lhota> yes

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Brad - Is it in the opening?

> "The Wrong Trousers" is still my favorite.

<Kay Lhota> there was so much in that film that I want to see it again soon

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Yes, in a very Hitchcockian pan across the wall.

> Oh, I'll see it again about a thousand times to pick up on all the little nuances.

> Brad - You know, I didn't even think of Hitchcock on that pan, but now that you mention it....!

<Brad from Georgia> Loved the Constable: "It's a case of arson!" Crowd: "Arson?" Constable: "Yes, someone's

arsin' around!"

> There's tons of very British stuff like the "Smug" refrigerator instead of "Smeg" brand.

<Kay Lhota> the first one I saw was "A Close Shave" and it left me a little cold. The others were funny, but the

new feature got me solid!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I think it's a tribute to the opening pan of "Rear Window," myself.

<Brad from Georgia> I liked "Chicken Run," too!

> Brad - Hmmm...I'd have to see that again.

> Oh yes, I'm a fan of all things Nick Park.

> Has nothing to do with Jack, but I'm interested to see that everyone (except for Fred Allen) is clearly in tune

with it.

> Sorry, Fred.

<Brad from Georgia> I wonder what "Rear Window" would have been like if Hitch had cast Jack instead of Jimmy

Stewart....

> So how about this stamp thing, huh?

<Fred Allen> Chicken run, the movie where all the characters have foreign accents except the main character

played by Mel Gibson, who's an Australian, and he has an american accent

<Brad from Georgia> I think Jack Benny MUST be on the thirty-nine cent stamp.

> Brad - The mind boggles. Would we recast Grace Kelly too?

> Fred - Sort of like British rock groups who sing with no accent.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, what's Dottie Lamour doing? Don't tell me, I know: rowing in a canoe with Dennis!

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Or doing SOMETHING in a canoe with Dennis...

> Let's see...Grace Kelly...maybe Barbara Stanwyck?

<Brad from Georgia> "Lookit, I KNOW Raymond Burr murdered his wife! Hmmm...we just have to TRAP him

somehow..."

<Brad from Georgia> And of course, Fred Allen could play Raymond Burr....

> Oh, I like that.

> Jack could use the wheelchair from "The Man Who Came to Dinner"

<Fred Allen> No, Robert Blake can play him

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Good one.

<Brad from Georgia> OOOHHH! That's NASty. I like it.

> I just watched "Chicago" last night, and that's in keeping.

<Brad from Georgia> Toddlin town.

<Kay Lhota> Well, Robert Blake was Junior in "The Horn Blows at Midnight"

> I oughta try and interview him about that one of these days.

<Brad from Georgia> Snarky comment deleted on maturer judgment....

> Back to the stamp campaign, I'm really delighted that I've gotten over 100 signatures on the Web and E-mail in

just two hours.

<Kay Lhota> I wonder what he'd remember, and if he'd keep the language clean

<Brad from Georgia> I'll sign up as soon as the chat's over.

> I run the newsletter...I can always clean it up for the kiddies.

<Fred Allen> He'd probably like to break from not talking about his case

<Brad from Georgia> Hey, has anyone on the forum responded to my challenge yet?

> Brad - Dunno specifically. I've been handing all the stamp campaign responses this afternoon.

<Brad from Georgia> Well--it seems to work for Public Radio campaigns...

> Brad - But I do appreciate the plug! Sometimes people forget.

> Brad - That's just it. I was laying in bed last night thinking about how we can get the biggest bang for the

campaign.

> And I figured, "Hey, let's put the spam factor to use for us."

<Brad from Georgia> Laura, sincerely, you do a great job with the newsletter. It deserves a wide circulation.

> People seem to like signing and forwarding things, so let them do that.

> Brad - Thanks very much. I only get partial credit for it, because so much material comes from the

membership. And it sounds like I've got an article from Barbara on the way...

<Brad from Georgia> Heh--"Dear friend: I used to be the chief financial officer of Nigeria, but what of that. I want

to talk to you about a stamp."

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

> But putting together the bound back issues was a real rockin' experience.

> Brad - LOL

> Now if I could only get one of Nigeria's E-mail lists!

> Or Sierra Leone.

<Fred Allen> They made a stamp with my photo on it, and people kept spitting on the wrong side of the stamp!

<Kay Lhota> ouch

> Fred - Oh, that's an old Nixon joke!

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Or lately the Irish sweepstakes! I keep winning, and I've never even entered.

> Brad - I loved it when I got a notification purporting to be from a former employer (Vodafone) saying I'd won their

contest.

> Maybe we should offer a stamp and phenteremine or viagra.

<Brad from Georgia> Dennis Day: I'll work for him, I'll sing for him, but I draw the line at licking the back side of

Mr. Benny.

> Brad - With self-adhesive stamps, problem solved.

<Brad from Georgia> That would be Jack's line-- Kid, the things are self-adhesive!

> Hopefully no one's noticed that a few weeks ago, the Forum was getting pummelled with phenteremine and

online gambling accounts. Had to delete 2-3 per day.

<Kay Lhota> yeesh, thank you for cleaning that mess out!

> Finally I figured out how to bar those domains.

<Kay Lhota> that's awful, Laura!

> At least it's not some of the worse stuff that was hitting the old bulletin board. Yick.

<Brad from Georgia> We get those at school all the time. Plus credit card companies that I don't even have

cards from keep wanting my bank account number. So I give them Jack's.

> Brad - Oh yeah, 2?

<Brad from Georgia> He opened ANOTHER oen?

> Oh right, that was Jack's Social Security Number.

<Brad from Georgia> oops--one

<Kay Lhota> LOL

<Brad from Georgia> Joke from an old MAD: "Mein name is Adolf Hitler. Mein rank is Fuehrer. Und mein serial

number is 'Vun.'"

> Oh and for pure and unashamed self-promotion, I have a business book just out that's available through

www.goodvendor.net.

<Brad from Georgia> What is it, Laura?

> Brad - It's called "Looking for Mr. Goodvendor" and is about corporate vendor selection and management. And

yes, there's a Benny reference in there.

> I couldn't write a book on ANY subject without mentioning Jack at least once.

> Brad - I'm reading a 1958 Mad right now. Just read the Danny Kaye and Ernie Kovacs columns.

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I should have put a Benny ref in the King Kong novel I did with Joe DeVito! It was set

in 1932-33.

<Kay Lhota> Oh, that's a nice issue.

> Brad - You certainly could have. That new radio upstart, Jack Benny.

> Kay - You have it?

<Kay Lhota> My favorite MAD of that period is from 1959 and has a Sid Caesar/Edward R. Murrow spoof

<Brad from Georgia> Gee, I was broadcasting the other night, and no one HEARD it. Some big ape stole the

spotlight.

> Kay - Oh, I haven't gotten to that yet!

<Kay Lhota> I either have it, or I have it on the MAD CD ROM set.

> Brad - Funny you mention that, as I just bought a photo of the cast of Paul Whiteman's show protesting Jack.

<Brad from Georgia> My friend Bill Ritch has absolutely every MAD comic, magazine, book, or acetate record

ever made.

> Whiteman and Jack's rebroadcast from New York were on at the same time, and Whiteman kept losing his

audience then!

> Brad - My friend Joe Ross is in the same category!

<Kay Lhota> Holey Smoke. I don't have anything like complete, but I do have some rare issues and stuff

<Brad from Georgia> The Atlanta Radio Theater rehearses in Bill's basement studio--so I read MAD in between

appearances at the microphone!

> I bought this issue on a whim at a SPERDVAC convention. I have others from the late 60s-early 70s...about a

banker's box full.

[Sun Nov 06 18:29:27 GMT-08:00 2005] Mike Amo: Am I online?

> Hi Mike!

> You are now...

<Kay Lhota> Hi Mike

<Mike Amo> Good heavens! I made it

<Brad from Georgia> I have some old PLAYBOYS from the sixties. I don't remember how I got them. But there's

lots of the sixties I don't remember.

<Mike Amo> How did that happen?

<Kay Lhota> LOL Brad

<Brad from Georgia> Hello, Mike!

> Brad - I, well, happen to have one of those as well.

> I also have a copy of Penthouse with George Burns on the cover.

> Mike - As you can see, you came in at a good time.

<Brad from Georgia> And Gracie in the foldout?

<Mike Amo> I emailed you LL, my computer died twice trying to get in here...

<Mike Amo> Apparently so

> Brad - A little after Gracie's time. But I have Tijuana Bibles with Gracie.

<Fred Allen> The one with Burns on the conver is the one with Vanessa Williams in it

<Brad from Georgia> Yeah, we're just getting to the blue stuff.

> Bluer that Jack's eyes.

<Mike Amo> What a relief...I needed something good to happen today...and blue will help...you haven't heard my

monologue here ...well, "conversation" with my computer 0{;OD

> Fred - I haven't looked at it in a long time...I know it's not Williams with Burns on the cover!

<Fred Allen> That's the one I have with the 2 of them on the cover

> Mike - I'm sure I could give your conversation a run for its money. I've been struggling with my DVD burning

software for nearly three weeks and it's still not working properly.

> Fred - Burns and Williams?

<Brad from Georgia> I think I have the PLAYBOY with the John Wayne interview: "The Indians deserved to die for

stubbornly refusing to share the land."

> Brad - Whoa! Did he really say that?

<Fred Allen> Yes, it's when they found the nude photos after she won Miss America

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I paraphrase, but those are his sentiments.

<Mike Amo> I remember George being on the cover of Penthouse...how did y'all wander into this topic...was

Jack in Playboy in the 60s?

> Brad - Ah, what a fine American. OK, I'm not going to share my politics here...

<Brad from Georgia> Jack wasn't in Playboy even in the thirties.

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Mike - No, talking about Mad Magazines from the 50s-60s, then Playboy, then...

> Fred - Maybe George Burns was on the cover more than once. My issue is from about 1991.

<Kay Lhota> I do remember reading the Groucho Marx and Mae West Playboy interviews

<Brad from Georgia> I do remember Jack's occasional magazine appearances when he was endorsing various

products in the sixties and seventies.

> A Groucho Marx Playboy interview! That must have been priceless.

<Mike Amo> Oh, I've got Mad Magazine from 1965 to about 1974

<Kay Lhota> I wish I kept it.

<Brad from Georgia> Very first MAD I ever bought had the composition-book cover.

> There's a Groucho reference in my 1958 Mad.

> When I was a kid, MAD was something that only the "mean boys" in school had. It was the equivalent of the

cards and stickers that showed nasty take-offs on various products.

> But now I've learned to appreciate it.

<Brad from Georgia> Oh, I'm reading a bio of Gregory Peck. Says that he and Jack became good friends only

after the Burns/Peck/Benny dance routine late in Jack's career!

<Mike Amo> I have always appreciated the Stooges

<Kay Lhota> I was reading MAD from the mid 1960's on

> Brad - Oh, on Jack Benny's New Look!

<Kay Lhota> and I collected a few used copies of earlier MADs and a few of the books

<Mike Amo> And Jack, Fred, and Johnny Carson

> Peck was at Jack's house when he died. Jack, that is.

<Brad from Georgia> Right! though Peck and Jack worked together before. Jack said, "He's great. I get tired of

rehearsing and go home and he stays."

<Kay Lhota> Gregory Peck would have guested on the 3rd Farewell special

> Right.

<Brad from Georgia> One of Peck's classmates appeared with him in "To Kill a Mockingbird" as Walter

Cunningham.

> Brad - Did I tell you about the script I have for "New Look" and the punch line to the scene where all the tall

people surround Jack?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No--what is it?

<Kay Lhota> wow--do tell!

> Well, there are very few notes in that script. But that particular line that came out something like, "I feel like I'm

in the Valley of the Dolls" had about five rewrites to it.

> To jump back to Mockingbird, I have to recommend the current movie "Capote". There's a significant tie-in.

> And I've loved Brock Peters for some time, and just recently saw him in "The Pawnbroker". Quite a movie. Love

Sidney Lumet.

<Brad from Georgia> Ah, yes. Truman's cousin wrote Mockingbird, and served as his secretary for a while.

> Brad - Right. And travelled with him to Kansas in researching "In Cold Blood".

<Brad from Georgia> In fact, I used to teach with the English teacher who discovered the Clutter bodies.

> That and "Good Night, and Good Luck". Both very, very good movies.

<Brad from Georgia> And my agent used to--may still--represent Harper Lee.

> Brad - Holy cow! No kidding!

<Brad from Georgia> You know, Truman Capote was the model for Dill in "Mockingbird."

> Really? I don't remember that specific character...have to see the movie again.

<Brad from Georgia> No kidding, Laura. In Capote's book, my teaching friend is referred to as looking like Ernest

Hemingway. He did, a little.

<Brad from Georgia> Dill is the weird little kid who visits in the summers.

> Brad - OK, that makes sense.

<Brad from Georgia> Me, I was the model for Boo Radley. Get it? Boorad from Georgia...?

<Brad from Georgia> No, now I'm being silly.

> Boooooooooo...rad

> Hey Fred/Kay/Mike...still with us?

<Fred Allen> Boooo brad

<Kay Lhota> (Actually Frank) Kay will be back shortly.

<Fred Allen> Yes, I'm looking for stuff on eBay at the same time

> Hey Frank, how's it going?

<Brad from Georgia> No lie, though: I once attended a performance of the "Mockingbird" play and got shot in the

mad-dog scene. The wadding from the blank cartridge burned a hole in my shirt!

<Fred Allen> I'm trying to find a good Joan Fontaine photo for her autograph

> Brad - You could have made a scene and tried for a Tony Award

<Kay Lhota> (Actually Frank) I'm doing OK.

<Brad from Georgia> Fred--I'm matting the Hirschfeld caricature of Jack Benny with my Benny autograph--in a

shadowbox with a tiny violin and radio.

<Kay Lhota> (AF) So how did we get from Jack Benny to Truman Capote again?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I thought of howling like a dog, but I was too busy trying to put out my tie.

> Brad - That must be an awfully big shadowbox to fit a whole radio in there

<Fred Allen> I'm trying to get autographs from alot of the older movie stars while I can (as in while they are still

alive)

<Brad from Georgia> Well, it's a little dollhouse radio, Laura--like about an inch and a half high. A cathedral type.

> Frank - Oh, I segued because we had gone from Greg Peck to To Kill a Mockingbird to Truman Capote based

on the current film "Capote"

<Mike Amo> lol Boorad! Still here LL, just distracted by being at home after 5 hours in traffic...haven't seen any

of the movies yet

> Mike - OK, no problem. Just wanted to make sure we hadn't lost you.

<Brad from Georgia> I'd love to see a movie made of the "backstage" story during a Benny WWII broadcast.

> Brad - I was noticing in "Chicago" that most of their radios are cathedrales, but those didn't come out until after

the era of the movie. Oh well.

<Brad from Georgia> After all, they recently did that with Prairie Home Companion.

> Brad - Has PHC been doing Iraq broadcasts?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-right. Oh, BTW, my mom says I can borrow her nonworking old cathedral radio for Eddie

Carroll's appearance.

> Brad - Very cool! That will work nicely. When's he going to be there?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-No, PHC has been fairly nonpolitical this year. Keillor's trying to loosen up a bit, I think.

<Fred Allen> I read where Garrison Keeler is moving out of the theatre he's been broadcasting in

> Again?

> Is he going back to New York?

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Eddie performs on March 24 in a theater built in 1894. I'll try to take some photos.

> Brad - Cool...same year as Jack was built.

<Fred Allen> The article didn't say what theatre he was going to

<Brad from Georgia> LL--No, I think PHC has outgrown the Fitzgerald theater and is looking for a larger venue.

PHC actually owns the Fitzgerald.

<Fred Allen> It was in last weeks newspaper hear in Houston

<Fred Allen> here

> Surprising they don't just expand the existing theatre, like the Genesee did.

<Brad from Georgia> The Fitzgerald officially holds only 1200, though they usually crowd 1500 in for a PHC

broadcast.

<Kay Lhota> Hi, I'm back.

> Where there used to be a wall and a snack bar, now it's seats all the way back.

> WB Kay. Hope we didn't confuse Frank too badly.

<Fred Allen> The article said, from what I remember, either PBS or NPR (I can't remember which) bought the

theater for the broadcasts

<Brad from Georgia> They could do that with the Fitzgerald--it has a rather narrow lobby.

> The Genesee now uses its old front lobby for the entrance.

<Brad from Georgia> I think it's NPR, Fred. The program now is produced by National Public Media, which is

probably a new name for the same organization.

> If you can find an old Siskel and Ebert show, you can see the former lobby of the Genesee. It's where they're

sneaking up the stairs and Siskel opens his briefcase and has popcorn in it.

<Fred Allen> I noticed the new girl we had in the chat last month didn't return

> Fred - Ah, I was wondering if she was you!

<Brad from Georgia> And that was her second chat, too.

> Hopefully one of these days.

<Fred Allen> No, not me

> I also just watched "Batman Begins" to see if I could figure out which scenes they shot in downtown

Waukegan.

> Hard to say, but I think they did the water/dock scenes there.

> Going to reconfirm that with my contact at the city.

<Brad from Georgia> It would have been great if you could have glimpsed Jack and maybe Ray Bradbury in the

background! They could have done that digitally.

> I was hoping that Jack's statue might have gotten in there somewhere. But I didn't see him.

> And a side note, there's a teacher at Jack Benny Middle School that wants to make a push to get Jack back

into the curriculum.

> I had some really, really bad experiences with the prior administration, but they've all left and there's new

management there now.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Heh! "My diabolical machine will bring statues to LIFE!" (the strains of "Love in Bloom"

begin to float by) "Oh no--what have I done?"

> Brad - LOL

<Mike Amo> I plan to see Eddie Carroll in Venice, Florida Jan. 29 or 30...haven't had time yet to firm up my

plans, but I intend to by next month. lol, Brad

<Brad from Georgia> Mike--Be sure to tell Eddie I said "Hi!"

> Mike - Oh right, just in time for your cruise, right?

<Kay Lhota> Oh, I think that kids might enjoy learning about Jack Benny as a part of History.

> I'm hoping Eddie can get a little star power involved in the stamp campaign. But we'll see.

> Kay - Agreed. But we've first got to make him more than just "some old man whose faded picture is in the

lobby".

<Brad from Georgia> Oh, by the way--the Looney Toons DVD includes the Rochester line, "My, oh, my!

Tattletale gray!" Haven't heard that one for YEARS. It's always cut.

<Mike Amo> Sure will Brad...yes LL, just made the last payment on that on the 1st

> They still answer the phone, "Jack Benny"

> Brad - Oh, that's from Grecian Formula, isn't it?

<Kay Lhota> LOL

> Mike - Congrats!

<Brad from Georgia> I tell you, the first time Eddie called me, he freaked me out--"Is Brad there? This is Jack

Benny calling."

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I think it's Rins-O Bue, actually.

> Brad - Oh he did that to me back in 1991. He still sometimes banters with Dan as Rochester, since they've

done those parts in the recreations.

<Kay Lhota> Certainly the kids from Waukegan Jr High ought to know that their school was named after a nice

man, not some smug politician

<Fred Allen> Brad, you'd have to know it wasn't Jack, it wasn't a collect call

<Brad from Georgia> Rins-O Blue, doggone it. Curse this carpal tunnel syndrome.

> Kay - You'd think. But it's been a real fight. I found out that they've been throwing out the free Times

newsletters that I've been sending them for 20 years. Grrrrr.

<Kay Lhota> Some people have no sense of History, Laura.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-I can't believe that!

> Brad - I was pretty upset about it myself.

> Rinso white, Rinso bright, happy little washday song. We had Mary cracking up on that a few weeks ago on

the YUSA show.

<Fred Allen> You need to send them to the journalism dept and not to the admin office

<Mike Amo> Amazing, LL

> But to be on the hopeful side, maybe we can change that (the school's disinterest in Jack).

<Kay Lhota> I've often wondered what the children going to the school think now. If they have any connection to

why the school was named.

<Brad from Georgia> You know, that would be a great oral history project for the school kids--finding folks who

are still around who might remember Jack!

> Kay - Not yet. But we'll see what we can do.

> Brad - Hmmm...it is, but I have a hard enough time doing that myself!

<Kay Lhota> Well, my son Daniel is that age, and he had no trouble discovering Jack Benny though my tape

and MP3 collection

> I can just see 25 E-mails in my inbox from the students at the school asking who is still alive who knows Jack.

<Brad from Georgia> The "Foxfire" books of Appalachian oral history started as a school project in my wife's

home county some years ago.

<Brad from Georgia> Well, Laura, you could tell them Jack's stll alive and let Eddie talk to them. How would

THEY know the difference?

> That's always an ethical quandary when a student writes to me with VERY SPECIFIC questions about Jack,

sometimes even openly saying that they're questions from a teacher.

<Kay Lhota> Well, I've often thought that entertainment history ought to be taught as much as political history.

> Kay - Agreed, but entertainment history is easier to teach for the last century. Tell people how wonderful

Edmund Kean was and they'll just sort of look at you.

<Mike Amo> I'd think they located you, so they at least know how to use a computer, and they figure you'll have

the answer

<Kay Lhota> point them to books for further research, but if you can tell them what they want to hear, why not

answer their questions?

> Kay/Mike - See, that's the quandary. Maybe I'm a research resource just as much as the books are.

> So getting the answer from me vs. looking it up in a book may be the same thing from a research standpoint.

<Brad from Georgia> I get queries from kids doing reports on my books occasionally. I always try to answer.

Some guy's selling a biography of me as an e-book--and I haven't even seen it!

> Brad - Didn't give permission for it?

<Kay Lhota> so, 20th Century entertainment history seems valid enough. We've got the entire Century pretty

well documented that way

<Brad from Georgia> Nope. I suspect it was a college kid doing some kind of report on children's lit.

> Brad - Aha. That would be rather strange to see a bio come up on yourself.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Yes, I'm afraid to read it. I don't want to know how it comes out.

> I suppose it could happen to me as well. Thing is, I'm such a stickler for details and accuracy.

Onceuponatime (the details don't matter), someone published something about me that was very inaccurate.

Saying I'd started the club in California, and other various strange stuff.

> It was very frustrating.

<Brad from Georgia> LL-Well, my son (who is currently in Hawaii, the rat) was once into dungeons and dragons

and had a button made: "There's no saving throw against stupidity."

> So anyhow, anything else Benny-wise on everyone's mind?

<Brad from Georgia> Benny-wise and Bound foolish?

<Mike Amo> I give 39 cents for a good Benny stamp

> Brad - I'll have to pass that along to Dan. He's also an AD&D fan.

Mike - Agreed! Sign the petition and spread the word!

<Brad from Georgia> I talked about this on the forum, but I'd LOVE to hear the Benny version of "Man Who

Came to Dinner," even though it's said not to be great.

<Brad from Georgia> Just signed the petition for me and the missus, Laura.

> Brad - Thanks much.

> Brad - E-mail me about "The Man Who Came to Dinner". I'll hook you up.

> OK, good chat, folks.

<Brad from Georgia> Thanks, Laura. My good friend Thomas Fuller was about to play Sheridan just before he

had his heart attack.

> Let's call it a wrap for this month.

<Brad from Georgia> Goodnight, LL!

<Mike Amo> Take care LL, Brad, Kay, Fred

> Thanks much! Remember the stamp!

<Fred Allen> Goodnight