IJBFC Chat -August 1, 2004
(Name of message originator in <> brackets at the beginning of each line; lines starting with > or no character are originated by Laura Leff)
[Sun Aug 01 16:02:52 GMT-08:00 2004] afanofoldradio: founder Reel Old-time Great (ev'rybody luv's 'em) Radioshows Club
> Hey Ed!
<afanofoldradio> hi laura
> How's it going this evening?
<afanofoldradio> ok where is every one else
> Don't know...it may be due to the summer. Or that I didn't send a reminder for tonight's room.
> It's hard to tell.
<afanofoldradio> well if you like the website you should know it already
> That's what I figure. Sometimes I don't send reminders (probably about 40% of the time), but we still get attendees.
<afanofoldradio> my third chat wouldn't miss for anything
> I'm glad you're enjoying them!
[Sun Aug 01 16:05:28 GMT-08:00 2004] Carmichael has no profile.
> Look out! Carmichael is loose!
<afanofoldradio> thanx i am listening to the interview
<afanofoldradio> is there a bear in the house?
> We used to have someone who went by the nick "Gas Man".
> Or is this a bull market?
> Carmichael - Are you played by Mel Blanc/
<Carmichael> growl - yes!
<Carmichael> growl - achoo!
> So if you suddenly start giving violin lessons, we'll know what happened.
<afanofoldradio> sick time
<Carmichael> burp - sorry, that must have been the gas man!
> I found Mel Blanc in a speaking role well before Carmichael. And I sat gasping in the reading room, looking at his name in front of lines that far back.
<afanofoldradio> frank breshee gives a great interview
<Carmichael> wow - really?
> Ed - Was this his interview with Irving recently?
> Carmichael - Yup. Hang on and I'll give you an exact date.
> June 7, 1936
<afanofoldradio> is this frank giving this interview
<afanofoldradio> sounds like him
> Fan - I don't think so. It's for the CBC Radio.
> Tony somebody, I think.
<Carmichael> How old is Irving?
<afanofoldradio> oh well sorry...
<Carmichael> Tony Thomas, as I recall.
> Carmichael - I used to know that, but I keep forgetting. He's in his 90s now, and as far as I know, still plays tennis every day.
<afanofoldradio> oh sounds like frank ...
> Carmichael - That's it...good call.
> I recently connected Frank and Irving so they could do an interview for Walden's show.
<Carmichael> I thought it was Bressee at first but then it became clear this was from Canada.
> So since it's just the three of us so far, let's throw the floor open. What Benny stuff is on your minds this evening?
<Carmichael> I had an album with this interview on it years ago
<Carmichael> I thought the interview was interesting
> Carmichael - Really? What was the album?
<afanofoldradio> the interview he says he is not nostalgic you know i think burgess merideth said that too once...
> It's interesting to hear Jack saying "To hell with the past" and not being nostalgic about his radio days.
<Carmichael> I can't quite remember
<Carmichael> It was Jack on one side and Crosby on the other
> Jim Jordan also said that. He did the shows and never listened to them again.
> Carmichael - Both Tony Thomas interviews?
> So who was this Tony Thomas guy?
<afanofoldradio> but did he he leave his heart in radio cause he did no TV
<Carmichael> I may still have the album but I would have to dig to find it
<afanofoldradio> jim jordan
> Maybe he left his heart in San Francisco.
<Carmichael> I only know Thomas from that album
> When did Marian Jordan die? I have the BBC "Who Wears the Trousers" show on her, but haven't had a chance to hear it yet.
> I heard that it had some rather gossipy stuff about her in it, like alcoholism, etc.
<Carmichael> Marion died in April 1961
<afanofoldradio> 1961 in april
> OK, knowledgeable group here... :)
<afanofoldradio> just before or after her b-day
> Did they ever try to move McGee to TV? I know they did a couple movies.
<afanofoldradio> bob sweeney and cathy lewis
> Why not the Jordans?
<afanofoldradio> 1959 sorry
<Carmichael> you just beat me to the answer!
<Carmichael> Hal Peary was on the show but not as Gildersleeve
> Hmm. I recently saw them in "This Way Please" in 1937 and they looked like they were portraying the characters as older then.
<afanofoldradio> mayor latrivia
<Carmichael> I think he was Mayor LaTrivia
> I guess Marian Jordan going out as Mollie and coming back as Teeny wouldn't work.
<afanofoldradio> you beat me to the answer
<Carmichael> lol! growl.....
[Sun Aug 01 16:18:18 GMT-08:00 2004] Fibber_McGee has no profile.
> There was an interesting plot device in "This Way" to have them doing all the voices.
> Oh how ironic
<afanofoldradio> he's hungry
> We were just talking about you, Fibber!
> Watch out for the polar bear, Fibber.
<Fibber_McGee> I hope it was good what you were saying
<Carmichael> T'aint funny, McGee! LOL
<Fibber_McGee> I'll put Carmichael in my closet...
> Fibber - You'll be able to see it in the transcription. ;)
<Carmichael> uh, oh!
<afanofoldradio> oh oh
<afanofoldradio> oh boss where are you
<Carmichael> gotta straighten out that closet one of these days!
<Fibber_McGee> Tain't Funny Laura
> Somehow this turned into the Fibber McGee chat room tonight.
<afanofoldradio> thought you crash the computer
> Gosh, I hope not.
<Fibber_McGee> That was the sound of me opening my closet
> Anyone been to the Museum of Broadcasting in Chicago and seen their exhibits on Jack and McGee/
<Carmichael> I'd love to see it!
> They had Jack Benny's vault and McGee's closet. Fan - you want to describe?
<afanofoldradio> it is a fun place to see
> They sold off a bunch of their Benny photos recently.
<Fibber_McGee> Did you get any of them?
> No, I found out too late.
<afanofoldradio> the vault is a walkin and a sound effect takes you thru all the noise that was his vault
> Fan - Except for me, of course.
> Lots of photos of it in our Photo Gallery.
<afanofoldradio> poor ed the guard
<Fibber_McGee> I saw a foley artist imitate what the sound effect was for opening my closet
> That was the darndest thing...I was there with some members, and they said, "Hey Laura, walk in there."
> I did, and nothing happened.
> So they said, "Walk out again."
> Nothing happened.
> They couldn't figure out why I hadn't tripped the alarm.
> I said, "But I know the password."
<afanofoldradio> well i thought it did when i was there in 1993
> Fibber - That must have been great.
> I've wanted to see someone do the vault for a long time.
<afanofoldradio> and the closet would open and effects would sound off
<Fibber_McGee> It looked like one of those drums you put tickets in for a drawing filled with tin cans, etc., and turned to make the noise
<Carmichael> How ironic that you couldn't trip it
<Fibber_McGee> At the end, the guy would toss an empty tin can to finish it off
> Carmichael - I know...funniest thing.
> Fibber - I thought it was a dinner bell.
<Carmichael> Maybe Jack was playing a trick on you!
<afanofoldradio> sounds like a bell from a bike
> Carmichael - It wouldn't be the first time.
<Fibber_McGee> I guess it wasn't time for dinner when I saw him
<Carmichael> I always thought it was a little bell
<Fibber_McGee> It might have been, it's been a long time
> Sound effects are so much fun.
<afanofoldradio> i am hearing professor LaBlanc giving lessons on the interview wonder was that jack playing
> Probably, based on proximity to the mike
> I think almost all (except for "King for a Day") of those are from the Top Ten 78rpm set
<Carmichael> Right, Laura
<afanofoldradio> king for a day GREAT RADIO!!!
> I was really lucky that I could get my friend from Fort Wayne who did sound effects to help with our recreation in Waukegan.
<Carmichael> Those apparently were recorded specifically for records
> We did the "Captain Horatio Hornblower" broadcast, and it had all sorts of stuff.
> Carmichael - Yes. But the skits go back to 1944.
> Not LeBlanc, but the rest of that shaving routine does.
<Carmichael> I know, I have heard them :-)
<Fibber_McGee> You should have done it at midnight, then it could be "The Hornblower At Midnight"
> Fibber - BOOOOOO!!!
> I just listened to a "Halls of Ivy" today for Walden's show, and there's an elaborate set-up for a pun like that.
<afanofoldradio> i second that BOOO
Anyone here know much about that series?
<Fibber_McGee> Not me.
<afanofoldradio> ronal coleman and benita
> I've just heard the one episode, and am curious to hear other's comments on it.
<afanofoldradio> god i hate typing bad
> Oops...lost Carmichael.
[Sun Aug 01 16:32:00 GMT-08:00 2004] Carmichael has no profile.
<Fibber_McGee> Maybe my pun scared him off
> Carmichael - I thought you fell in the moat.
<afanofoldradio> he's back
<Carmichael> Burp...there goes the gas man again!
<afanofoldradio> whew that smell
> The gas man gave you gas
<Carmichael> burp..growl...excuse me!
<Fibber_McGee> I'm scared to comment, I'll get boo'ed again
> So what other comments on that interview with Jack?
<Carmichael> I got disconnected....loved the pun, Fibber
> As long as it's not Texaco gas, you're OK.
> Fibber - It's OK to get booed in here. I get it all the time.
<Carmichael> I thought it was interesting that Jack talked about being moody
> And Jack could be VERY moody.
<Carmichael> have read that
<Fibber_McGee> I didn't get a chance to download and listen to the interview. I've listened to one before, I'm thinking it's the same one
<afanofoldradio> how many episodes do you think alan reed was in as far as jack benny goes
> Makes me wonder if he were around today what something like Paxil or Welbutrin would do for him.
<afanofoldradio> he was great
<Carmichael> somebody said he had high highs and low lows
> Fan - On Jack's program?
<Carmichael> When was Reed on Jack's show?
<afanofoldradio> when he was a tour gude on the king for a day skit
<Carmichael> that was on fred's show
<afanofoldradio> or was he
<afanofoldradio> ok fred's show sorry
> Is THAT who that is? I've been looking for that name for some time.
<afanofoldradio> fred flintstone himself
<Carmichael> teddy bergman, before he changed his name
> I think he may have been on both shows...Fred and Jacks.
> Whew! I think you just solved a small mystery for me.
<afanofoldradio> glad to help
<Carmichael> I heard one of Jack's shows from NY in the early to mid 40's recently
> I've been hearing this voice a lot on the 1943-1944 shows, and in my audio notes I've been calling him "the new guy".
<Carmichael> Jackson Beck was on the show
> I thought it might have been John Brown, but wasn't positive.
<Carmichael> Beck just died this week
<afanofoldradio> oh sorry to hear he passed away he was great too
> Jack even comments to him that if he does something, he'll go back to the Fred Allen show.
<Carmichael> He was the voice of Bluto in the Popeye cartoons
> And a lot more.
<afanofoldradio> sam edwards died this week too
> Yes, bad week for OTR.
<afanofoldradio> bad year for OTR
<Carmichael> i didn't realize edwards was 89
<Carmichael> thought he was about 80
<Carmichael> beck was 92
> Then again, nature of the business...OTR wasn't yesterday.
<Carmichael> very true
[Sun Aug 01 16:40:49 GMT-08:00 2004] williamp: no, not wm paley!
> We're quite blessed that we still have some of the folks we do, like Conrad Binyon and Hal Stone.
<afanofoldradio> book i have says edwards was born in 1928 i don't think so
> Hi William!
<williamp> hi laura
<Carmichael> Fred Foy is still around
<afanofoldradio> THE VOICE
> Carmichael - Yeah, I have to catch up with him one of these days.
> I recently interviewed Dix Davis...that was a real kick.
<Carmichael> Is Stuart Canin still living?
> Not a whole lot of people who can talk about working with Jack when Morrow and Beloin were there.
> Carmichael - Yup, and I interviewed him a couple months ago.
> Lives fairly close to me, in fact.
<Carmichael> Glad to hear it
> That was also a wonderful experience.
> With the time off i took at the beginning of this year, I got a LOT of good interviews done
> Plenty of newsletter material for the next few years.
<afanofoldradio> joseph kearns was a benny regular does anybody the year he was born thisb same book says 1907
<Carmichael> How did he enjoyhis experience with Jack and Fred?
> Carmichael - Very much. He even gave me a new thought on what Fred might have said for the West Coast broadcast of the show that 'started' the feud.
> I brought a copy of "The Bee" sheet music with both their pictures on it, and he said that he'd never seen it before.
<Carmichael> Does the East Coast show exist?
> It's also been really gratifying that for almost every interview I've done, I've been able to give something back to the interviewee.
> Carmichael -Yes it does...I've heard it.
> Carmichael - I transcribed that section in the Jack Benny Times last year.
<Carmichael> thanx, laura
> It might have been a copy of their appearance on Jack's show, or helping them get some family history, or whatever. I like it when we can both benefit from the connection.
> So what other Benny thoughts are out there?
<williamp> im schizophrenic tonite
<Carmichael> Jack spoke about always wanting to enter "new media"
> William - Can't decide on the handkerchief, eh?
<afanofoldradio> the thought of him being a playing violinist instead of a comic
<Carmichael> what do you think he would think today's "entertainment"?
<williamp> jack sure sounded well-adjusted to fifty years of being type-cast in that interview, didnt he
> We've had a lot of self-identified young (sub 39yo) members signing up lately, and I commented to Dan,
> "In 1968, Jack wore a Nehru jacket. In 2004, he wears a Web site."
<williamp> just think how few folks in entertainment want to be typed to that degree anymore
> William - I guess when you've done it for "a lousy million dollars", you can adjust.
> William - That's an excellent point.
<afanofoldradio> money money money
<Carmichael> I just remembered that I was about to mention the Schizophrenia bit when I was disconnected
> And y'know...Robin Williams can carry off wild ad lib comedy as well as drama. And Jack could do comedy and drama well, too.
<williamp> dont be fooled laura.. my friends sometimes call me don wilson
<afanofoldradio> he was buying a kerchief
<Carmichael> It was diffent on the radio show....Jack was buying a cigar
> Carmichael - Yeah, that's it.
<afanofoldradio> frank nelson was on it
<afanofoldradio> but who played the customer behind him
<Carmichael> I agree that Jack could do comedy and drama well
> I'm pretty sure that was just before the move to Luckies!
<Carmichael> Fan - I couldn't recognize the voice
> So Jack could probably have held his own as a performer *outside* of his character. Do you think?
> Fan - Ask me next year.
<Carmichael> absolutely, Laura
> OK...*just moving the conversation in a circle*...why is it that his movies where he's not playing himself (except for "To Be" and "George Washington") are largely forgotten/
> Or derided, like "Horn"?
<afanofoldradio> 'cause they expect it to be him
<afanofoldradio> not a character
<Carmichael> 'cause they weren't anything "special"?
<afanofoldradio> type cast sorta
<williamp> I think HE orchestrated most of the HOrn blows at midnite criticism
> William - Agreed.
<Carmichael> I agree, too
<Carmichael> It's not a bad movie
> What was Johnny Carson's movie that he did the same thing to/
<Carmichael> Looking For Love
> And the box office for "Horn" was respectable.
> Carmichael - That's it.
<williamp> I would like to see what some of the contemporary radio and movie guides, variety, etc said about the other movies at face value
<afanofoldradio> but he mentions how his father would not watch him play a hitler looka like because of his jewish upbringing
<Carmichael> Didn't Jack do "Horn" on radio?
> Fan - Well, that was more of a misunderstanding, as the story goes.
> Carmichael - Sure did. And most people think it was better than the movie.
> Fan - His father thought that he was playing a Nazi, and Jack had to calm him down and convince him to sit through more of the movie.
<Carmichael> Ever see the remake?
> I think Jack also did "Horn" on Omnibus, if I'm not mistaken...*reaching for 39 Forever, first edition*
> 11/29/53...Omnibus. Sure did.
> Carmichael - Once, yes. What did you think of it?
<Carmichael> He did do it on Omnibus...the MT&R has it
> Carmichael - I'm going to be spending a lot of time there when I get to Volumes 3 and 4.
<Carmichael> I thought it was a change of pace for Mel Brooks
<williamp> excluding cameos, laura; how many movies did jack get a credit line in as a star or supporting actor
<Carmichael> Love the Kublelsky Street sign
> William - I think about 20...let me count...
<afanofoldradio> was he in a mad mad mad world?
<Carmichael> I think his last one was Guide For the Married Man
<williamp> i count mad mad world as a cameo
> Well, it was "The Man" in 1972
<Carmichael> Yes, he was in Mad Mad World
<Carmichael> "The Man"?
<Carmichael> What was that?
> I'm counting 22, just going fast right now.
<williamp> thats not bad.. most of those would have been movies he could play jack benny in;
<Fibber_McGee> He drove a car in Mad Mad world
<Carmichael> I have to leave for a while.....back in about 15 minutes...growl :-)
> And Ethel Merman screamed at him.
> Like she did to everyone else in the movie.
> See you in a bit, Carmichael!
<Fibber_McGee> She screamed at EVERYONE
> Is it possible to be more annoying than she was in that movie?
<Fibber_McGee> Charles Grodin can be
> Just her performance almost made Dan demand that I turn it off and watch it when he wasn't around.
<williamp> sure wish i could find the big "W" tho
> William - www.whitehouse.gov
<Fibber_McGee> Be sure you do .gov and not .org, the .org is porno
> Oh, I thought .com was porn and .org was comedy.
> Or is that .net? I can't remember.
> Then again, if you're looking for that sort of thing...that's your business.
<williamp> wish jack could have toured in the broadway play sugar babies
> So it sounds like we've got a pretty knowledgeable little group here...I'm happy to take the topic wherever you'd like to go Benny-wise.
> William - Do you think he could have carried off the baggy pants stuff?
<williamp> after hearing the interview.. i think jack really liked to do live audience stuff
> I'm thinking of the "meet me round the corner in a half an hour" routine, which was more Weber and Fields.
<williamp> and not just so he could play his violin
> William - Agreed. You can't hold a laugh by staring at the audience if it's an empty studio.
> Oops...lost Fan.
<williamp> I still wanna see that Waukegan theatre thing come to fruition somehow so I can go to a real vaudeville program
> William - Unfortunately, the Genesee was built as a movie house, not vaudeville. The Barrison was the vaudeville house, but it closed in 1912.
<williamp> Laura, have you talked to Eddie Carroll recently, he sure has played the midwest alot this year
> And I've got a real Barrison broadsheet sitting on the table in front of me.
<williamp> thats neat
> William - Oh, is that you, Bill? :)
<williamp> yep, i tried to hint that to ya
> Hi Bill...good to see you! I thought it might be you, but didn't want to presume.
<williamp> im listening to jacks summer replacement host even as we speak
> I talked with Eddie a couple weeks ago. He's doing fine.
> Stan Freberg or Jack Paar?
<Fibber_McGee> Can't believe we are down to 3 in the chat
<williamp> tho these are vintage 1966 shows.. i really wanted to see him at aztar in evansvill.. guy lombardo
<williamp> im a lombardo /jan garber fan these days for some reason
> Bill - Well, it's still good stuff.
<williamp> well, fibber, open up that hall closet and find us some folks
> Fibber - It may be partially because the July chat was so late, and i didn't send a reminder for this one.
<williamp> so fibber, have you been to the radio museum in chicago.. lots of jim jordon stuff there
> I heard people were here late last time, after we'd figured we should shut down for the month. Oh well.
<Fibber_McGee> No, I've yet to go to Chicago.
> Bill - Check out Wayne King...you'll probably dig it.
<williamp> i think the entire script achive is there in bound volumes.. and, of course the hall closet
<Fibber_McGee> I stayed around last time, and several showed up after the chat was officially over
> Bill - Of Jack or Fibber?
<williamp> i heard wayne king live at a dance at broadmoor
> Bill - Wow...I didn't know that he was still working that long.
<williamp> fibbers..... and then i was going to tell him bout jacks vault three
<williamp> well, it was a long time ago ; im older than you are
> Bill - Ah but not by much. I'm 35 and you're 39.
<williamp> I saw most of the bands that were still active as i was growing up.. that was probably bout 1974
<Fibber_McGee> Forever 39
<williamp> i have some russ morgan emanating from san francisco mark hopkins too
> Bill - Got it. I started getting into this stuff around 1979-80. But I did get to see the last of the Mills Brothers and his son, with Kay Starr.
<williamp> i kind of liked it when jack got stuck on 38
> Bill - I've had tea there. Nice place. Interviewed Isaac Stern next door at the Huntington.
[Sun Aug 01 17:11:53 GMT-08:00 2004] afanofoldradio has no profile.
> Bill - I'm happy to say that I think I've conclusively found when Jack went into the age series that firmly took him to 39.
<williamp> i saw the mills brothers two shows nightly five nites in a row in owensboro ky.. go figure
> WB, Fan!
<afanofoldradio> hi laura i am back
> Bill - Across the alley from the Alamo, lived a pinto pony and a Navajo...
<williamp> glad i did tho...i saw bob hope there too.. and a blew a chance to see jack..
> Who used to make frijoles and cornmeal dough for the people passin' by...
<williamp> that is stan kenton stuff
> Bill - Alamo was recorded by the Mills Brothers too.
<williamp> i know but i remember anita o day on that one
<williamp> wonder is she is still living
> I stood next to her at a jazz club in Los Angeles in 1994.
<williamp> i think harry was sightless from diabetes when i saw em
> I was waiting for the performance to start, and there was a loud woman who seemed to be drunk and chain smoking.
<williamp> it was her?
> Then they announced Anita O'Day and she went up on stage.
> Talk about a shock.
> Her early albums are magnificent.
<williamp> I hear helen o connell liked her whiskey too.. and harry james had the fifth in his contracts
> Supposedly they were recording her performance that night for release
> She kept stomping on the stage and saying, "You got that down there?"
> Helen O'Connell...another of the few who kept a great voice late in life.
<williamp> wonder why jack never made room for a top notch female vocalist
<afanofoldradio> from my hometown...springfield illinois
> Hey Fibber, Fan...feel free to jump in...don't let us steamroll you.
<williamp> they never did.. cept for dorothy collins in the commercial
<williamp> please do fibber, i get tired fast with my rambling tyrades
<afanofoldradio> i am here look kidding
> Bill - They started with Ethel Shutta, of course.
<afanofoldradio> helen o'connell
> And they had another woman when Canada Dry was retooled...her name is escaping me at the moment.
<Fibber_McGee> I'm not as old as you, so I haven't seen any of these people perform live
> Helen was a midwestern girl like me?
<afanofoldradio> i believe so
<Fibber_McGee> I'm only 39
> We had the Ink Spots at 39 Forever.
<williamp> remember when helen, and kaye star did their national tour?
> Carole Lombard was from Fort Wayne, Indiana.
<williamp> there were four of em.. was margaret whiting in on that
<Fibber_McGee> I did meet one of the original Ink Spots once though
(loss due to screen refresh)
<Sinatrafan> Hi everybody
<afanofoldradio> blues eyes
> Welcome Sinatrafan!
<Carmichael> Hi! Did I miss anything good?
> We've actually been talking more about old music and vocalists, so Sinatrafan is right on time.
> And gone again! Durn...
> I guess we scared him/her off.
<Carmichael> I'll read the transcript later this week
<williamp> i have kms email address somewhere, ill try to write him this week
> If it's OK with everyone, I'm happy to float to the topic of music in addition to Benny.
<Fibber_McGee> Maybe he saw the card from the Manchurian Candidate
<Carmichael> I hope he/she didn't think I was hungry!
<williamp> whaever happened to that jeanine from 39 forever?
> Fibber - Good one.
<Carmichael> Fan - grolwl! :-)
> Bill - Oh, she's still around. Very busy. I hear from her occasionally. Actually, she's supposed to get back to me about interviewing Kate.
<Fibber_McGee> One growl, and one good one
<Carmichael> growl, I mean
> For everyone else - Kate Phillips, supporting actress on "Buck Benny"
<williamp> well, let me ask you this.. in your interviews, laura... why has no one in hollywood tried to tackle a jack benny themed movie
> Bill - Well, there's been talk of it. I've even been offered an associate producership on one of them.
<afanofoldradio> hey does any know that both Kenny and dennis show up in a 1940 JB episode did that happen often at those times
> But as one person put it to me, "There's no HOOK." There's no big drama that took place in Jack's life.
<williamp> next time you talk to her... ask her to e mail me.. i still want my kaye picture autographed.. lol
<Carmichael> what about the "smuggling" case?
> Fan - Mind rewording that? I'm not sure what the question is.
> Bill - I'll make a note of that.
> Carmichael - It's not lurid enough any more.
<Carmichael> true..pretty tame
> Dan and I just watched "Wonderland", based on the true story of a porn star who becomes a drug addict and gets mixed up in four gruesome murders.
> I said to Dan, "This is not 'I Always Had Shoes'."
<afanofoldradio> kenny baker and dennis day did they show up on JB on the same show more than once in 1940 or was that it
> Meaning that nothing like that ever happened in Jack's life, so there's not (yet) a movie on it.
<afanofoldradio> a christmas show
<williamp> i know that biographies are a tough sell in hollywood.. maybe there is a twist that someone could come up with for the life and times instead of just dry biography
> Fan - I think I've only heard one like that...hang on...
<Carmichael> Larry Stevens subbed again for Dennis in 1949, I think -- just one show
<afanofoldradio> right date
> Bill - The unfortunate thing is that if they could do a "DeLovely" on Jack, they might be able to sell it. But Jack wasn't gay, so there goes that angle.
<afanofoldradio> i have that from a freeMP3 from radiolady.com
> 11/20/49 and 12/22/46 are the shows I have with Stevens guesting.
<Carmichael> Considering what Hollywood does to biopics, maybe it is ok that they don't do a Benny Bio
<williamp> well, i need a sequel to field of dreams.. they can have a soundstage of dreams
<williamp> what a great title! don wilson should do the trailer
<Carmichael> An independant film would be nice
> Carmichael - Isn't it funny...they used to clean up people's lives for the movies (e.g., Jolson Story). Now it's the opposite.
> Bill - Start warming up.
<Carmichael> Nobody wants to see a "nice" story
<williamp> unfortunately, im always warming up.. lol
[Sun Aug 01 17:29:38 GMT-08:00 2004] Sinatrafan: I am an 18 year old OTR fan and I love swing and big band music.
<Sinatrafan> Hi everyone
<afanofoldradio> how about amos and andy would they make in todays TV unlike thw 1950's
> WB Sinatrafan!
<Sinatrafan> Sorry I left earlier, I was arguing with my parents,
<Carmichael> TNT did a "nive" true story a couple of years ago about Bill Porter, a door to door salesman
<Carmichael> nice, I mean
> I'll second your profile, although I don't wish I was 18 again...
<williamp> did jack impress you as being uncomfortable discussing success of his character in the interview or in interviews in general
<Sinatrafan> How long does this chat last for? :)
> I've heard interviews where he sounded more at ease and a little less grouchy.
<Carmichael> Jack sounded comfortable to me
<Sinatrafan> Its nice to see a chat for OTR fans Ive had trouble finding them
<afanofoldradio> 'till 10 central
> Sinatrafan - Depends. Last month it was an hour, but I've seen it go up to three hours or more if people are enthusiastic.
> Carmichael - Walden told me earlier today that he was lying in bed for this entire interview.
<williamp> hi sinatrafan
<Sinatrafan> Not many people I know like OTR,Im 18 and my friends wont believe me or give them a chance when I say OTR shows are good
> Sinatrafan - I hear that. It's a big reason that I started the club.
<Sinatrafan> Hi William! My name is William as well :).
<afanofoldradio> i know a kid in Minn. who is 18 and a OTR fan
<afanofoldradio> just started this year
<williamp> good name.. great name.. so i know you are a great guy!
<Carmichael> I "discovered" OTR when I was 16
> I started the club when I was 10. So there are young fans out there!
<Carmichael> Laura - you win!
<afanofoldradio> i started at 10 also
<afanofoldradio> sorry second or tied for 1st
<Sinatrafan> Thats me, Ed!
<williamp> I got hooked on this stuff right around 1970
<Sinatrafan> Im Will, DOGHHH
<afanofoldradio> is that you DOGHHH
<Fibber_McGee> My Dad got me started years ago with the Longines Album set that Jack Benny narrarated
<Sinatrafan> And I started 2 years ago
> The IJBFC chat room gets jiggy...
<williamp> what part of country will?
<Sinatrafan> yes, this is me Ed, DOGHHH :) I live in Minnesota
<afanofoldradio> well i dont everyones name on chats...
> I started on the Nostalgia Lane records.
<williamp> i won the longines album at 39 forever, but my nephew stole it from me.. lol
<Fibber_McGee> I still have the album
<Sinatrafan> I love OTR and that era...I wish it all came back into popularity
<afanofoldradio> i always wished NL records had dates to them
> Bill - Time to look on Ebay.
<Sinatrafan> I am a swing singer myself
<williamp> sinatra fan.. i hope you get to go to one of the otr conventions in your area sometime
<Sinatrafan> I wonder if any come to my area
> Sinatrafan - Yeah, you'd love the conventions. Awash in stuff of that era.
<Sinatrafan> I would love to perform at one or something
<williamp> the stories, script writing contests, nostalgia, and the chance to do a recreation are fun
> Bill does a killer Don Wilson.
<Fibber_McGee> What towns have OTR conventions? I've never heard of any
<Sinatrafan> Oh wow sounds like alot of fun, I wonder how I could know where some are
<Carmichael> Conventions are fun
<williamp> cincinnati, new jersy, have big ones
> Fibber - The big ones are FOTR in Newark and SPERDVAC in Los Angeles. And Cincy.
<williamp> course new jersey is a really big city
<Sinatrafan> afanofoldradio has heard me sing swing before...am I any good ed? I wonder if any are in MN
<afanofoldradio> will and I have been chatting since Feb. and it is great that even kids today know what OTR is sings better than me
> Does Charlie at www.lofcom.com have a consolidated list of conventions/
<Fibber_McGee> Might have to go to one in LA sometime. I'm in Texas
<williamp> you need that otr digest newsletter on line that every body gets e mailed
<afanofoldradio> oh good e-mails
<afanofoldradio> luv em
> Click on the OTR Digest link at the very bottom of our links page. There you can subscribe.
<afanofoldradio> been subscribing for a yera good stuff
> Sinatrafan - I've been getting a lot of people in their 20s and 30s signing up for the club recently. We do get occasional teens as well.
<williamp> ill tell you what you should do sinatra.. get yourself a small group.. a script and perform at the nursing homes in your area
<Carmichael> i'll have to look into the otr digest
> I think there's so much peer pressure against liking this stuff that it dissuades many.
<williamp> its great practice, and you will be well-appreciated
<Fibber_McGee> Well, I'm going to leave now. One more chat to go to. See all of you next month.
> Bill - That's a great idea.
> Take care, Fibber. Thanks for stopping.
<Carmichael> Bye, Fibber
<williamp> that one group that laura mentioned could help you out learning bout sound effects and what not
<afanofoldradio> see laura is everything JB but opens these chats to anything OTR and JB
<Sinatrafan> I am sad, book stores near me have sold OTR since Ive gotten into it 2 years ago (well I LISTENED to my grandparent's shows for years since I was like 5 but I started buying my own 2 years ago)
<williamp> nite fibber
<Sinatrafan> ?o check out our Links page under "purchases and downloads". Lots of outlets.
<Sinatrafan> but thats what my parental argument was about
<Sinatrafan> I wanted to buy more
> Sinatrafan - Not to mention our audio/video library as well!
<Sinatrafan> and my parents saaid "GET A BETTER JOB!"
<afanofoldradio> i found a new download www.antiqueradios.com they have shows for listening
<williamp> well, lots of this stuff is available free of charge too
<Sinatrafan> do they have a lot
<Sinatrafan> I have used www.radiolovers.com for a while
<Carmichael> Radio Spirits has a lot of great stuff
<williamp> look at cyber49er sometime... lots of shows, lots of links.... heck jackbenny.org can keep you entertained for years
<williamp> and laura can really make you the expert of MN
> Bill - :)))
<Sinatrafan> I really am trying to get people back into the greta things that era gave us, and I am even auditioning for American Idol 4 by singing a Sinatra song :)
> I am the Oracle at Delphi....ask me your Jack Benny questions...
<Sinatrafan> what is crispy.com Laura?
<afanofoldradio> laura does the university in cal. where the 700= JB shows are download or are they at the mecry of copywrights
> Sinatrafan - You'll have to go to it and find out.
<williamp> Buy JELLO, LUCKYS, and Jackbenny.org stuff! (says don wilson)
> Fan - The shows are the property of the Benny estate, and the estate has asked that they not be posted to the Web (other than our little one-offs).
<Carmichael> Sinatrafan -- good luck with American Idol!
> I donated a copy of our MP3 library to the Waukegan Public Library, and they wanted to put it all on the Web.
> But the estate said no.
<afanofoldradio> to bad
<Carmichael> Does the estate plan on any official releases?
<Sinatrafan> ohhh what shows are property of the Benny eststae>
> It is, but it makes plenty of sense. That still provides revenue to the estate, and is legally their intellectual property.
> Sinatrafan - All the Jack Benny programs.
<Carmichael> Kind of a shame to keep stuff locked away
<Sinatrafan> Ok thats what I thought you meant, sorry I was confused
> Carmichael - They have an agreement with Radio Spirits, so those are the "official releases".
> Carmichael - It is, but stay tuned. I'm working on a couple things which may yield some interesting results.
<Carmichael> cool, again!
<Sinatrafan> You know how DVDs come out with special edition DVDs with entire TV show seasons?
<williamp> (yippee! i am now the proud owneer of a st louis browns scorecard from the 1950s)
<Sinatrafan> I think if radio did that and advertised it enough, it could have good results
> Bill - Score!
<afanofoldradio> bill veeck as in wreck
> Sinatrafan - I'd like to see someone give that a try.
<afanofoldradio> eddie gadel
<Sinatrafan> you know, like anythign with "Special Edition" on the package could get people interested
> There's a claim that one of the problems with the Benny show today, and part of the reason it's not on TV more, is the Rochester character.
> So it's hard to get a lot of airplay/interest for the Benny material, even though it's still good.
> Fan - That's what some claim.
<Carmichael> With all this stuff coming out dvd, wouldn't it be great to see a bunch of Benny shows?
<Sinatrafan> ohhh understandable I guess but then again..I dont know, it was common
> Carmichael - I'll drink to that.
<Sinatrafan> Like Geranium on Judy Canova
<afanofoldradio> as I said earlier in that case would amos and andy find airtime these days
> Sinatrafan - Right. You understand it in the context of the time. But some people just want to bury that past.
<Sinatrafan> Thats very unfortunate
<Carmichael> Too bad......I think Rochester is a riot
> Fan - What's strange is that some of the black comedies I've seen on Fox or UPN aren't too far removed from that genre.
<williamp> Maybe you can talk your folks in visiting Linton IN.. on their way to the new French Lick Casino and you can tank up on Phil Harris History
<Sinatrafan> I totally agree, Laura
> I tried so hard to get press interest in 39 Forever, and was told by most that if it's not Brad Pitt or Paris Hilton, they don't care.
<Sinatrafan> many shows these days are more racist and obcene then ANY back then
<afanofoldradio> and for that matter the jefeersons?
> Bill - I was just thinking that I need to get in touch with them.
<Carmichael> Agreed, Sinatrafan
<Carmichael> Sanford and Son, too
<Sinatrafan> Yeah and All In The Family
<Sinatrafan> All In The Family was very racist
<williamp> oooooh! tv......im not up to that era yet
<afanofoldradio> rochester is a thrill compared to shows of today
<Carmichael> All in the Family made fun of racism
<afanofoldradio> same gere
> Dan rented an HBO special of Richard Pryor from about 1977, and it was an interesting realization.
<Sinatrafan> I have some interesting Abott and Costello DVDs
<Sinatrafan> they should have jack benny ones
> I talked with Eddie about it, and he commented how it was really groundbreaking at the time. But now it's lost its shock impact.
> Sinatrafan - I'm working on it...still building the video library!
<afanofoldradio> did OTR bring racism to the home
<Sinatrafan> I dont think so
<afanofoldradio> or was it milder in those times
<Carmichael> I love Blazing Saddles but the shock impact is gone on that, too
> OTR didn't invent any sort of racism, it was just what was accepted then.
<Sinatrafan> I think just tlak on the street brought racism to the hoi home
> Is the hoi home Japanese/
<afanofoldradio> it's too bad
<Sinatrafan> Right, just liek homosexuality is accepted now and poked fun at in light humor, so was racism back then
<Sinatrafan> I meant home* sorry typo
> Sinatrafan - But homosexuality was poked fun at well back into the 1920s and earlier. See "The Celluloid Closet".
<afanofoldradio> people thought rochester was really benny's butler or valet
> It was Edward Everett Horton's career.
<Sinatrafan> what was The Celluloid Closet?
<Carmichael> Franklin Pangborn, too
> Fan - Which takes us back to the interview for tonight. I don't think that everyone was able to separate Jack's character from the man.
<williamp> lest we forget, butlers and "maids" were acceptable professions in our lifetimes
<Carmichael> Good Point, Laura
> Sinatrafan - It's a recent movie examining homosexuality in the movies since the dawn of the cinema. It's fabulous.
<afanofoldradio> they really thoughtb he was cheap
<Sinatrafan> I dont think Id be interested in listening to anything degrading homosexual though
<Sinatrafan> ohhh maybe I DO want to see it then
<Sinatrafan> As long as it isnt degrading to homosexuals
> Sinatrafan - I live in San Francisco. I highly recommend it. Nothing degrading.
<Sinatrafan> Oh ok, good then, I should ask my boyfriend if hes heard of it, hes very interested in that kind of stuff.
> Bill - Someone bawl for Beulah?
<Sinatrafan> Thank you very much for the tip
> Sinatrafan - Sure. There's a good companion book as well.
<afanofoldradio> did radio have any black announcers and who were they?
<Carmichael> Marlin Hurt was the original Beulah
> Amos n Andy had a lot of black performers.
> Sinatrafan - I often say to those who would understand the reference, "I'm not a friend of Dorothy, but I'm a fan of Dorothy."
<Carmichael> I can't think of any black radio announcers
<Sinatrafan> Was Rochester really black? Sorry that I dont know that, I should know, sorry if that quesiton is dumb
<afanofoldradio> yes he was
> Sinatrafan - Oh yes. Eddie Anderson was definitely black.
<Sinatrafan> ok thnaks, I figured he was
<afanofoldradio> did he mind the typecasting as such?
<Sinatrafan> Was Geranium for Judy Canova black?
> Sinatrafan - Go to Biography, then Other Stuff, and look for the clip of Rochester working with Lena Horne in "Cabin In the Sky". Whenever you get a minute.
> Fan - As he said to someone (who said it to me), "Well, it paid for my house."
<Sinatrafan> Ok, thanks
<williamp> laura, is his home still existant .. i forgot to ask when i was out there
<Sinatrafan> Im sure he knew it was worth it since he was getting payed and America loved him
<williamp> i guess phils is still there
> Rochester's home?
<Carmichael> How about the Benny shows with Butterfly McQueen?
> Carmichael - Yeah, how about those/
<Carmichael> Strange to hear
> Bill - Yes, take a look at one of the Times issues from last year. One of our brave members took a drive out there and photographed it.
<Sinatrafan> I am playing a Road Rules Online Game so I am going to head out.
<Sinatrafan> Thanks everyone for answering my questions
<williamp> i guess i had forgotten
> Carmichael - They are. Butterfly was introduced at Rochester's niece.
<afanofoldradio> ssee ya later DOGHHH
<Carmichael> Bye, Sinatrafan
> Sinatrafan - No problem...that's why we're here.
<Sinatrafan> My AIM screen name is DOGHHH I would love any chat friends sinc eI only know 1 OTR fan...and thats oldtimeradiofan haha
<Sinatrafan> Nice meeting yall
<Sinatrafan> Jackbenny4ever :)
> Take care, Sinatrafan! Stop by again!
<Carmichael> y'all came back!
<williamp> great sinatrafan.. we are here every month
<williamp> well, so far
> That was nice.
<Carmichael> Love hearing from young fans
> Yup, same here.
> Well, kids, we're at the 2 hour mark. I'm happy to keep going if you want to.
<afanofoldradio> i hope everybody liked will he is a great kid and OTR fan
<williamp> nah, its hot up here.. my jello is melting
<Carmichael> Sure, why not?
> Kids who are OTR fans tend to be of a different breed, and usually pretty good.
<williamp> absolutely,, good to have some new blood here
> Seem to be more independent and a little less susceptible to going with the crowd.
<williamp> when the new folks turn up, sometimes even I can look smart
> Bill - :)
<Carmichael> same here, bill!
[Sun Aug 01 18:02:56 GMT-08:00 2004] Scott in KC: KCAgape@aol.com
> Hi there, Scott!
<afanofoldradio> and I chat with him at least 4 nights a week
<williamp> hi scot in kc.. ks.. or mo?
<Carmichael> Hi, Scott!
<Scott in KC> Hi Laura! I made it! LTNS!
> You just missed an 18yo OTR fan.
> Scott - LSMFT!
<afanofoldradio> hey KC nice to see ya
> Fan - Good for you. Gotta cultivate the young interest.
<Scott in KC> Nice to see everyone again. I miss you.
> So what did you think of the interview, Scott?
<williamp> blushing)... its nice to be missed
> Bill - It's not as nice to be hit.
<Scott in KC> I heard the first one...It was OK...I think I have heard it before.
> It's the CBC interview.
<williamp> ok, ill be nice
> So what's on your mind, Scott? We've talked about Jack, old music, racism, Fibber McGee, baseball cards...
<Scott in KC> Laura, did you get my e-mail about Johnny Carson?
> Scott - Sure did. Did you get my response? :)
<Scott in KC> Racism...Jack Benny never showed that.
<Scott in KC> I will check.
<afanofoldradio> of course not
> It's true. But unfortunately people seem to see it differently now.
<Carmichael> Jack was angered by racism
<afanofoldradio> he could a performer feel so comfortable
<Scott in KC> I have a recording when he is Father Time of 1948 and urged the Baby New Year to stop racism.
> When I was down in LA for the Jolson convention last year, there was an article in the LA Times saying that we should forget about Jolson.
> Scott - Good call! I haven't heard that one yet.
<Scott in KC> Leaura...I think it is the New Year's Eve show from 1948.
<Scott in KC> Or 1947.
<Carmichael> Forget about Jolson? Nnngggaa! ;-)
> Carmichael - LOL
<Scott in KC> I did not know Mel Blanc was in the room?
> Scott - Someone recently commented to me that a lot of black people went overseas and did just as much as their white counterparts, and tended to be treated more equally.
<Carmichael> Yup...growl ;-)
> Then they came back from the war, and suddenly were thrust back into the "separate but not really equal" society.
> Especially in the South.
<Carmichael> That stinks
> So I can understand how racism was a more public factor by that time.
<Scott in KC> One of the most decorated men of World War II were the Tusktegee (sp?) airmen...Sorry for the sexit term.
<Scott in KC> Thanks Car.
> I remember hearing that a man was crying...could have been white or black...because he came back with some of his buds from an integrated unit
<Scott in KC> <<< Westerner.
> and suddenly couldn't eat at the same table with them any more.
<Scott in KC> Rochester paved a lot of new, unfounded ground.
<Carmichael> Right you are Scott
<afanofoldradio> ge had too
> And yet he's really not recognized for that today. That's just as sad.
<afanofoldradio> he had to*
<Scott in KC> Very sad, Laura. Amos and Andy were not American-Americans.
> Scott - Did you hear about the Amos n Andy Candy Bar/
<Scott in KC> No, Laura.
<Scott in KC> I am afraid to ask. :)
> I swear this is true...came from Elizabeth on the OTR Digest...
> It was two vanilla wafers covered in chocolate.
> I'm told that the irony wasn't lost.
<Scott in KC> Kinda the opposite of an Oreo. I am sorry if I offended anyone.
<afanofoldradio> not at all
<Carmichael> not me, either
> And supposedly those were given out to many black kids in Chicago, where they hosted various events.
> No problem, Scott.
<afanofoldradio> wow even more sadder
<Scott in KC> Thank you group. I typed without thinking.
> I don't know if it was really sad in the context of the time. They were doing things to support the black community.
> But Elizabeth would have to say more about it...I only know what I read in the papers.
> OK, here's a question...
> If you were to design a Jack Benny premium, what would it be?
<Scott in KC> I read an article that Amos and Andy were really for the "everyperson," and not necessarily stereotyping African-Americans.
> Jell-O Cookbook is out of bounds...already done.
<Carmichael> Good question.
<Scott in KC> Premium meaning?
<afanofoldradio> speaking of growls car...did you know that the Rochester speech pattern was caused as I read from a childhood illness
> Scott - I have a sort of "surrogate father" who is African American. He said that he used to listen to Amos n Andy and think that they were "just people."
<williamp> a yo yo made to look like a wooden nickel
> Scott - Premium meaning like send in 10 Jell-O panels and get something. Like a decoder ring or an Ovaltine shake-up mug.
<Carmichael> I heard that he became hoarse from yelling when he sold newspapers
> Fan - I always heard it was from trying to out-shout his fello newspaper boys in Oakland.
<williamp> or a yo yo replicating a wooden nickel
<Scott in KC> How about a talkinbg Polar Bear, Carmichael...Ooops, Coca-Cola did that. :)
<Scott in KC> talking*
<Scott in KC> <<< Glad he's not a Gas Man.
> How about a big padlock, presumably from the vault, and you could decode message with it?
<williamp> how bout a beanie baby mouse with a violin
<williamp> padlock,,, that works
> Whatever Jack gives as the combination to the vault becomes a secret message?
<Scott in KC> A Jack Benny Bobble Head Doll?
> Bill - Oh God, do you remember that guy?
<afanofoldradio> wouldn't be great
(loss due to screen refresh)
<afanofoldradio> he could play his violin while the head bobbles
<Carmichael> how about a replica of a chiss sweeze snadwich?
> Or "eat more Lucky Strikes"
<Scott in KC> Smelling the "grass wreck"?
> Eat more chiss sweeze
<Scott in KC> That would be a Mary Livingstone Doll.
<Carmichael> And be sure to listen to Drear Pooson!
> I was hoping to have an article in the next Times about some Jack Benny "mystery violin" toys that have recently surfaced.
<williamp> poor old lucky strikes.. i finally bought a pack for my radio collection... its the first pack i ever bought.. but i sure appreciate their sponsorships.. lol
<Scott in KC> :) Carmichael.
> Bill - A vintage pack or a new one?
<williamp> just a new pack..
> A Mary Livingstone doll...pull her string and she says abusive things.
<Scott in KC> <<< Not smoker. Sorry Speedy. :)
<williamp> besides lucky strike green went to war
<Carmichael> LOL, Laura!
> Bill - And apparently got killled, since it never came back.
<williamp> i didnt realize til today that american tobacco company also put the bull durham signs in all the minor league parks across the coutry
<Scott in KC> A Dennis Day Doll would be one you want to strangle somnetimes. :)
<afanofoldradio> some one the other night on radio show on the net played a abbott and costello and said afterward that the free cigs camel gave away was the reason so many died in the second world war
> Bill - No kidding! What about Mail Pouch barns?
<Scott in KC> Will...That is where the term "bull pen" came from.
> Scott - There was really a Dennis Day teddy bear.
> Fan - I didn't know Camels were used for ammunition.
<williamp> there are still a few mail pouch barns still hangin in in ky
<Scott in KC> Really? I guess he was cuddly and soft and was a tenor.
> Bill - In Indiana, too.
> Scott - It had a recording inside of him telling a story about the bear and singing a song. I think it had a little Irish hat on it too.
<williamp> boy! someone has thought of everything, at least once!
<Scott in KC> "Call for Plillllip Morrrrrissss!" I am too young to remember that, but I think that guy died last year.
> That's something I miss about California. No Mail Pouch barns.
> Scott - Really? He was from Grand Rapids, MI, same as me. His uniform is in the museum.
<Scott in KC> You have moved, Laura?
<afanofoldradio> johnny roventini
> Scott - I'm in California. I miss the Mail Pouch barns in the midwest. Poor wording on my part.
> Fan - That's it.
<Scott in KC> OMG, Laura...My family is from Kalamazoo, lest I digress. I will return to the topic.
> Scott - Ah, just about 40 miles south! Do you have a gal in Kalamazoo?
<afanofoldradio> johnny showed on the Lucy show intros before syndication
<Scott in KC> My father did.
> Scott - LOL
<afanofoldradio> I love Lucy
<Scott in KC> I was reared in Marshall, MI, lest I digress again.
<williamp> and i love Kalamazoo!
> Scott - Home of Win Schuler's restaurant.
<williamp> well, im sure i would if i went there
<Scott in KC> We moved to Missouri when I was in First Grade ~ I will stop now. :)
> Scott - Right there on route 69, straight south to Fort Wayne. But not before you hit the metropolis of Kinderhook.
> Scott - Sorry, you've got me on a nostalgia tear.
<Scott in KC> Me too, Laura. (Sorry.)
<williamp> they sure had a nice union station at kc... they still have a nice ballpark
> Scott - No apology necessary. After 2 hours, it's wide open as long as it's suitable for family viewing.
<Scott in KC> Thanks, Will. Actually, we have a stadium complex, two stadiums next to each other.
<afanofoldradio> a royals i am bad season tho
> Go CUBS!
> I love lost causes.
<williamp> is the negro league hall of fame out that way too?
<Scott in KC> Yep, and the Chiefs will win it all. (Thginking of Jack Benny stuff.)
<williamp> KC Monarchs style
<Scott in KC> Yes, Will...18th and Vine.
> Know the movie "A League of Their Own"? That was based on the Grand Rapids, MI women's baseball team.
<afanofoldradio> that is why they are known as the royals in appreciation to the Negro leagues
<williamp> and filmed at Bosse field in Evansville,
<Scott in KC> Bad neighborhood. Jack Benny used to fly and take the Super Chief thru here.
<Scott in KC> Yes, Fan...In honor of the Monarchs
<williamp> i didnt know that about the royals name.. that makes sense now
<Scott in KC> I wonder if Rochester knew of the Negro League players...He had to.
<afanofoldradio> their basketball team was known as the Kings until they moved to cal.
> Scott - I bet he did. I was just reading a story about him teaming with a sports figure (can't remember who) to back a company to make parachutes during WWII
<williamp> but they came from cincy; the royals
> I've seen a couple home movies of him entertaining other major black performers and sports figures at his home.
<Scott in KC> Yes, and they were the Cincy and Fort Wayne Royals before then.
> Before the Cincy Reds? Ruth Lyons' team?
<afanofoldradio> right but the name still honors the town'sbb past
<Carmichael> Did Eddie Anderson really own a horse that ran in the Kentucky Derby?
<williamp> They still have the ruth lyons christmas fund
> Carmichael - Sure did. Named Burnt Cork.
> Bill - That's great. I have two copies of her book.
<Carmichael> Thanx, Laura
> No one much seems to remember her. But at the time and in that area, she was as powerful as Walter Winchell.
> Her = Ruth Lyons, not Burnt Cork.
<afanofoldradio> not fort wayne royal but the rochester royals ft wayne was the pistons
<williamp> did jack give many live performances in kc over the years or do you know?
> Bill - Well...that's volume 4. It's going to take a while to research that.
<Scott in KC> Laura, I heard a recent recording of Jack Benny exclaiming, "Willlzy!" He said it so loud as though he really liked him, but I have never heard of him. Was he really a friend or just acting, if you can guess.
<williamp> cincinnati really turned out a lot of high power folks in the entertainment world over the first half of the century
> Scott - Dunno. What's the context?
<Scott in KC> I know Harry Truman was a fan of Jack Benny.
<Scott in KC> Laura....I will have to listen again. (Sorry.)
> Bill - Let's hear it for WLS. Er...what was the clear channel in Cincy/
<Scott in KC> WLW< Laura
> Scott - True. We screened the episode done at the Truman library at 39 Forever.
<Scott in KC> WLS is in Chicago
> Scott - Thanks. WL* something...
<williamp> the nations station.. course wls had the national barn dance
<williamp> complete with mr haney and the hoosier hotshots
> Bill - That's what was throwing me. Thinking of National Barn Dance.
<afanofoldradio> got the 25th anniv show
> I have several of their records.
<Scott in KC> They bradcast at 100,000 watts back then on AM, now illegal.
> Is it true there are no more clear channels?
<williamp> Pat Buttram was already doing that character he took to Green Acres
<Scott in KC> There are Clear Channels, still, Laura.
<afanofoldradio> not at 100,000 watts
> Scott - Not Clear Channel communications, I mean stations that are AM "clear channel" 50K watts
<Scott in KC> I think there are only 12 Nationwide.
<williamp> I think there are still clear channel frequencies.. they still refer to WHAS as a clear channel station
> Like WOWO in Fort Wayne.
> Gosh, is KDKA still on the air?
<williamp> and i think you can still hear wlw all over the southeast and midwest most nites
<afanofoldradio> kdka yes
<Carmichael> i'm not sure, come to think of it
<Scott in KC> I do not think WOWO is one. KMOX in St. Louis is one. KSL in Salt Lake City. KOA in Denver.
<williamp> I think WBBM still plays stan freeberg otr at nite
> What's WBBM's city/
<Carmichael> WBZ in Boston?
<williamp> BBM is chicago
<Scott in KC> WBBM in Chicago....WBZ is one.
<afanofoldradio> no the station up there
<Scott in KC> Fan...WCCO
> I think WJZ used to be one...don't know any more.
<williamp> WSB.. WSM
<afanofoldradio> cant think of it
<Scott in KC> LOL, LL
<afanofoldradio> OH BOSSS
<Scott in KC> You guys are sooo silly. Now you see why I missed ya. :)
<williamp> Im glad those deceitful radio stations didnt destroy all their transcriptions.. lol
> After 2 1/2 hours, it tends to get that way. But I like to keep it fun for everyone.
<Carmichael> I was silly before I got here
> We're unbelieveably lucky that Jack kept all that he did. There's just so much stuff out there.
> Ah WGN television. One of my favorite cable channels once.
<Scott in KC> I wonder what Jack Benny would think of us chatting about him using the medium of the Internet?
<Carmichael> Was Jack a packrat?
> Carmichael - He reused so much material that he kept it very assiduously. All in binders and so forth.
<afanofoldradio> he would tell us keep the chatting down he's playing his violin
> Carmichael - Heck, I found a routine he did with George Olsen on the Canada Dry show that he did with Lawrence Welk 30 years later!
<Scott in KC> Scary though, Fan.
> Fan - Har har.
<Carmichael> I guess Jack believed in reclycling!
<williamp> the father of the rerun
<Scott in KC> He recycled his jokes. :)
> I tend not to theorize a lot on what Jack "would say" or "would think", but I think he'd be glad that we're still talking about him 30 years after his death.
<afanofoldradio> prof lablanc on the net ...yes
<Carmichael> Hard to believe it is just about 30 years
<Scott in KC> Laura, in the first interview, he eluded to the fact he adapted from radio to TV, so I bet he would make the transition.
> I have to correct our Web site...I have a 1954 show with Danny Kaye as a 1944 rerun, and it's not. It's a reperformance.
> Scott - To the Internet?
<Scott in KC> Well, no...Just going from one medium to another.
<afanofoldradio> why not
> Scott - True.
<afanofoldradio> comedy central
<Carmichael> Maybe he would have gone back to radio after all....satelllite radio
> Fan - Hmmm...they did name him #28 on their top 100.
<afanofoldradio> yes but oh he would be great there
<Scott in KC> That's a poor ranking. He should be in the Top 10 at least.
> Carmichael - Just for the sake of argument, I'm going to disagree with you. Here's why...
> Look at the shows from 1953-55. Phil's gone, Mary's sort of AWOL a lot as well...
> They don't feel the same. Without that gang of characters, the show would need some extensive retooling to bring on more glory days.
<Carmichael> good point
> And it's retooling that never quite made it in television. Not the way it was in radio.
<Scott in KC> I think their shows 1946-53 wwere the best, but what do I know?
<Scott in KC> were*
<afanofoldradio> how would it be if he had some of the big name stars on his shows today
<afanofoldradio> j-lo etc...
> Scott - A lot of people agree with you. But the last couple of radio seasons people often say were just not of the same caliber.
<Carmichael> the j-lo program, starring jack benny!
> Fan - I like that idea. Who of today's crop would you like to see as a Benny guest star?
<Scott in KC> I understand, Laura. I was being somewhat liberal.
<afanofoldradio> anybody he could afford
<Scott in KC> LOL Car. LOL.
> Scott - No problem. I'm not disagreeing with you...just stirring up trouble.
<Carmichael> Thanx, Scott!
> What happened to Bill?
<Scott in KC> Is she a Delicous Flavor? I better stop for Laura's sake.
> Scott - Hey, it's all in the...eye...of the beholder.
<afanofoldradio> ha ha
> I'd like to see Billy Crystal work with Jack.
<afanofoldradio> oh boy
<afanofoldradio> or gary shandling
<Scott in KC> I can hear him now: "Jack, you wook marv-lous!"
> Or let's see Steve Harvey do something with him, perhaps like Flip Wilson did.
> Scott - LOL
> I recently transferred the Peter Lorre TV show guest appearance to DVD
<Carmichael> Can you imagine Jack with Robin Williams?
<Scott in KC> And Jack responding: "I'll have what she's having."
> I'd love to see Jack do something like that with Anthony Hopkins ala Hannibal Lecter.
> Scott - Loud LOL
<afanofoldradio> or have billy crystal do peter lorre
> Jack could deliver that line PERFECTLY.
<Carmichael> Scott, that's hilarious!
> I'm still laughing at it.
<Scott in KC> Robin Williams and Jack Benny, I would laugh til tears come from my eyes.
<afanofoldradio> steve martin'
<Scott in KC> You know, that woman was Estelle Reiner, Rob Reiner's mother.
> I love both of them, and I think Robin Williams is the most talented comedian working today, but I have a hard time thinking of the two of them together.
> I think Williams would just steamroll Jack.
> Scott - That's right, i'd heard that.
<Carmichael> I think you're right, Laura
<Scott in KC> Steve Martin would be OK, too. :)
> Fan - Mental image of Jack and Martin both doing King Tut.
<afanofoldradio> maybe it would work did not jack show up on a hope tv show in the era costume
<Scott in KC> Dennis Day rapping hip-hop?
<afanofoldradio> don on the atkins diet
<Scott in KC> LOL Fan
<Scott in KC> Roch rapping: "I work for the man, his name is Jack/He doesn't pay me, Jack/ ugh...."
<Carmichael> Phil would be at the Sylvan Learning Center
<afanofoldradio> yea sing it roch...
> Fan LOL
<Scott in KC> LOL Car. Or selling Budweiser.
<Carmichael> Right, Scott!
> Scott - Actually, I have a play by Amiri Baraka that features a Rastafarian Rochester
<afanofoldradio> he could the frog's voice
> It's pretty wild.
<Scott in KC> OMG, Laura...To funny. Reagge Rochester.
<Scott in KC> Too*
<Carmichael> Sounds great!
> You oughta read the play. It's really militant pro-black "get back what the white man took from you" kinda stuff.
<afanofoldradio> what would be the label's name
> He robs Jack's vault.
<Scott in KC> Maybe Phil can sing The Thing to Hip-Hop.
> Scott - I'm thinking up gangsta rap lyrics to that. Not family viewing.
<Scott in KC> He could use the original lyrics.
<Carmichael> Think he could get away with "That's What I Like About the South"?
> One day I'm going to put an article in the Jack Benny Times about that play. I've been thinking for 4 years how to write it in a balance way that isn't going to upset someone.
<Scott in KC> LOL Car. Not that's more like rap. :)
> That IS kind of like rap, isn't it?
> Phil Harris invented rap music.
<Carmichael> I'd like to see some of these rappers try to do it
<Scott in KC> Phil was ahead of his time...The Bear Necessities. :)
<afanofoldradio> jungle book
> Steve Harvey has a wonderful routine about rap vs. old school in "The Kings of Comedy".
> How everyone at a rap concert has a mike and you can't understand what anyone is saying
<Scott in KC> Somehow Rochester with a baseball cap turned around just does not quite do it for me.
> And how there were four Temptations who all worked with one mike, and no matter what they did, they always came back to that mike.
> I'd like to hear Rochester say, "These be my dawgs."
<afanofoldradio> dawg pound
<Scott in KC> Or "Who Let the Dawgs Out"?
> Jack plays "Who Let the Dawgs Out" on the violin.
<afanofoldradio> he could rap that on letterman
<Scott in KC> LOL LL....That is a concept.
<afanofoldradio> w/alan kalter
> Who is Alan Kalter?
<Carmichael> The announcer on Letterman
<Scott in KC> and Iskak Pearlman...all respect to Mr. Pearlman.
<afanofoldradio> announcer on lettterman who does wltdo on occasion
> Aha...I haven't watched Letterman regularly for some time.
> Itzhak Perlman?
<Scott in KC> Yes, thanks, Laura.
> Itzhak's been pretty inventive with some of the stuff he's done. Like "In the Fiddler's House" and I remember him in a jazz jam session with George Segal.
<Scott in KC> Or with Yo Yo Ma (That I can spell.)
<afanofoldradio> he plays a mean sax
> Yo Yo Ma Ma?
<afanofoldradio> no george segal
<Scott in KC> LOL Laura. LOL.
> I love George Segal. He plays fabulous banjo.
<afanofoldradio> whatever he plays
> When i was younger, I wanted to direct a revival of "Of Thee I Sing" with him a Wintergreen.
> Fan - You're thinking of Bill Clinton.
<Scott in KC> I have a blooper tape that says: "Mr. PLaybody will pee for you."
<afanofoldradio> yea clinton and roch on the same stage
> Scott - I think that's one of Kermit Schaffer's remakes.
> Fan - Oh, that would be WAY cool.
<Scott in KC> It is, Laura.
> Just the other night Dan asked me about the Uncle Don debachle.
<afanofoldradio> he suppose to never say it
<Scott in KC> Phill Harris with Bill Clinton...Or Hillary Rodham Clinton with Mary Livingstone?
> I think someone else said it, and it got attributed to him.
> Scott - Oh my...
<Scott in KC> <<< Just dreaming a little.
<Carmichael> Barak Obama with Rochester?
<afanofoldradio> what a couple
> I've got to see this Barak Obama speech. Everyone's talking about it.
<afanofoldradio> barak's a hit w/demos here in illinois
<Scott in KC> Janet Reno with Carmicheal? Who is who? Present company accepted. :)
> Fortunately, they have all the major speeches on line.
<Carmichael> I've got it-- Rochester with Al Sharpton!
> Scott - Oh, that's mean. :) But I'm laughing.
<Carmichael> LOL, Scott! growl
<afanofoldradio> sat nite live last nite rerun
> Carmichael - A few years ago it could have been Rochester with Jesse Jackson.
<Scott in KC> Jack Benny (Jewish) with Saddam Hussein?
> Scott - Run that one by me again?
<Carmichael> I thought of that but like my other suggestions better!
<Scott in KC> I think Saddam is very senti-semetic.
<afanofoldradio> what tunes they could play
> Scott - So it's for the irony of it. I thought you were making a connection between the two.
<Scott in KC> I doubt he would every share a stage with him.
<Scott in KC> ever...No anti-semetism intended...Sorry all.
<afanofoldradio> jack could play him a tunes on his violin
> I remember a story about Jack and someone going to urinate on a place where Hitler was.
> Fan - Perhaps "Bye Bye Baby"?
<afanofoldradio> yea LOL
> Scott - I didn't think that's what you meant, but wanted to make sure.
<Carmichael> Laura, it was a podium somewhere in Germany........a lot of other people beat him to it
<Scott in KC> <<< Very tolerant of other faiths other than my own.
> Well, we've passed the 3 hour mark. How's everyone doing?
<afanofoldradio> still here ...
> Carmichael - That's right. I thought it was a podium, but couldn't remember the specifics.
<Scott in KC> <<< Present.
<afanofoldradio> still here ...
> Carmichael - That's right. I thought it was a podium, but couldn't remember the specifics.
<Scott in KC> <<< Present.
<Carmichael> Well, it's been a lot of fun but I have to be going
> OK, thanks for sticking with us, Carmichael! It's been fun!
<afanofoldradio> we have gotten some good laughs tonite and some very serious talk also
<Scott in KC> <<< Needs to study my role as Moses for a play tomorrow. If I offended anyone, I am truly and sincerely sorry.
<Carmichael> The gas man will be here tomorrow morning and I want to be ready for him!
> Scott - I think you're fine. I have no complaints.
<afanofoldradio> none here
> I've really enjoyed this chat room tonight. Not a lot of people, but some very good talk.
> See, Scott...you're cool.
<Scott in KC> Thanks all. I love you guys. You are too funny and brighten my evening. Thank you! :)
<afanofoldradio> well thanx...
> So shall we call it good for August?
<Scott in KC> I wish I were cool...It is 95 here. God bless and Shalom!
> Shalom Scott!
<afanofoldradio> you know this chat is a lot like radio we use our imaginations
<Carmichael> Good for August!
> OK, that's a wrap folks.
<Carmichael> Good night, all!
> Thanks for stopping and see you in September!
<afanofoldradio> nite laura shalom scott and god bless OTR
> Amen to that!